From: SMTP%"@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU:LISTSERV@BINGVMB.BITNET" 1-AUG-1994 18:32:02.57 To: SOLIBJA CC: Subj: File: "INDEX-L LOG9407B" Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 18:33:31 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB (1.7f) Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9407B" To: Julius Ariail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 10:51:39 CDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paula Presley Subject: What happened to Index-L? In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of WED 29 JUN 1994 08:36:09 CDT The last message I received from INDEX-L was on June 29. Then, on July 1 I began receiving email from the PUBS-L discussion group. (I don't remember subscribing to PUBS-L). Does anybody know how this happened? Maybe there just hasn't been any activity on Index-L for awhile? At any rate, I'll let our external publications folks know about PUBS-L, and I'll look for more INDEX-L notes. Paula Presley Assoc. Editor, The Thomas Jefferson University Press Copy Editor, The Sixteenth Century Journal Northeast Missouri State University McClain Hall 111L Kirksville, MO 63501 (816) 785-4525 FAX (816) 785-4181 Bitnet: AD15@NEMOMUS Internet: AD15%NEMOMUS@Academic.NEMOState.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 15:09:04 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Hazel Blumberg-McKee Subject: Paula Presley's message I'm responding to Paula Presley's note about what happened to INDEX-L. I, too, had been receiving lots of e-mail from INDEX-L, but nothing has shown up recently. Unlike Paula, I have not found e-mail from PUBS-L creeping into my mailbox. Is it just summer torpor? Hazel Blumberg-McKee (hblumber@mailer.fsu.edu) Continuing Legal Education (CLE) Publications Department The Florida Bar Tallahassee, Florida ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 14:10:31 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DWIGHT WALKER Subject: Re: Paula Presley's message I saw your message on INDEX-L today. Could you tell me what and where to contact PUBS-L? I am a fairly new indexer (1 index of a magazine) and cross-pollination would be good. I too have been wondering where all the indexers have gone. Cheers from Down Under, Dwight Walker :-) Reply to message text: I'm responding to Paula Presley's note about what happened to INDEX-L. I, too, had been receiving lots of e-mail from INDEX-L, but nothing has shown up recently. Unlike Paula, I have not found e-mail from PUBS-L creeping into my mailbox. Is it just summer torpor? Hazel Blumberg-McKee (hblumber@mailer.fsu.edu) Continuing Legal Education (CLE) Publications Department The Florida Bar Tallahassee, Florida ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 16:35:43 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Hazel Blumberg-McKee Subject: Re: Paula Presley's message In-Reply-To: <199407100408.AA25031@mailer.fsu.edu> from "DWIGHT WALKER" at Jul 10, 94 02:10:31 pm And here's a reply to YOUR message: Paula Presley mentioned that messages from a listserv called PUBS-L had started showing up at her Internet address, seemingly in lieu of messages from INDEX-L. She didn't give an e-mail address for PUBS-L. Perhaps she'll see this message and write back with the address. I've only been receiving messages from INDEX-L for a short time, but it seemed to be a highly active listserv. Once I saw Paula's message, I, too, started wondering what was happening. Has INDEX-L "gone out of business"? Perhaps the mystery will be solved some day. Best wishes, Hazel Blumberg-McKee (hblumber@mailer.fsu.edu) Continuing Legal Education (CLE) Publications Department The Florida Bar Tallahassee, Florida > > I saw your message on INDEX-L today. Could you tell me what and where to > contact PUBS-L? > > I am a fairly new indexer (1 index of a magazine) and cross-pollination would > be good. > > I too have been wondering where all the indexers have gone. > > Cheers from Down Under, > > Dwight Walker > :-) > > Reply to message text: > > I'm responding to Paula Presley's note about what happened to INDEX-L. I, > too, had been receiving lots of e-mail from INDEX-L, but nothing has shown > up recently. Unlike Paula, I have not found e-mail from PUBS-L creeping > into my mailbox. Is it just summer torpor? > > Hazel Blumberg-McKee (hblumber@mailer.fsu.edu) > Continuing Legal Education (CLE) Publications Department > The Florida Bar > Tallahassee, Florida > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 20:22:22 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: bob wallace Subject: No need to panic I've been subscribed to INDEX-L for over a year. It has busy periods and slow periods. It's up to us. So whadaya wanna talk about? Carol Roberts rw16@cornell P.S. I'm moving to Milwaukee on July 26. Are any of you out that way? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 23:48:13 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: HairyLarry@AOL.COM Subject: Re: No need to panic I agree with Ms. Roberts. In fact, I appreciate the recent drouth of messages from INDEX-L since I had only a tiny backlog to get through on returning from my vacation! Larry Harrison Harrylarry@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 17:16:43 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DWIGHT WALKER Subject: Scientific Vocabulary article in IEEE Computer I read today an article called 'Collaborative Systems: Solving the Vocabulary Problem' by Hsinchun Chen, IEEE Computer, May 1994, Vol.27 No.5, pp.58-66. Being from a computer background, this quote was quite meaningful: 'Vocabulary is a problem in the scientific community because of the specialized domains and the fluid nature of scientific discovery.' It is mainly about the 'collaborative' approach where different members of a team share vocabulary to solve problems via an on-line system. The problem of different meanings for the same terms triggered my experience in indexing an astronomy magazine. They say how they create a term-rich thesaurus using the concept space approach. Concept space is the collection of terms and their related concepts. It also included their links and aliases ('see references') to common terms. This sounds like word harvesting before creating a thesaurus in indexing. This article may be of help to some other information science people on this list. Dwight ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 08:46:41 CDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paula Presley Subject: It's Back! and PUBS-L info Two things: Index-L is back...there was no relation between no Index-L messages and the sudden appearance of PUBS-L. For those who asked about PUBS-L. It is for external advancement/publication designers for universities (I think). The address that shows up is PUBS-L@UTKVM1.BITNET. I don't know what the listserver address is. (Somebody has "relocated" my paperback _Internet Guide_ by Eric Braun.) The PUBS-L folks will fill you mailbox; it must be a large group. So now that the "lost" INDEX-L is back, I guess we can end this conversation. One thing I appreciate about INDEX-L is that there are not a "lot" of messages...and indexers get to the point in a few words. Could this be because we spend so much time putting whole concepts into a few words as we write indexes? Another point for discussion: Nancy Mulvaney says that indexing is a from of writing. In fact, I made a poster for our office with her quote, "Indexing cannot be reduced to a set of steps that can be followed. INDE XING IS A FORM OF WRITING. LIKE OTHER TYPES OF WRITING, IT IS A MIXTURE of art and craft, judgment and selection. With practice and experience, indexers develop their own style--as do other writers. The best we can do as teachers of indexing is to present the rules and offer guidance" (Nancy Mulvaney, _Indexing Books_. Chicago: University of Chicago Press,1994. p. vii. What does everybody think about his statement? Paula Presley Assoc. Editor, The Thomas Jefferson University Press Copy Editor, The Sixteenth Century Journal Northeast Missouri State University McClain Hall 111L Kirksville, MO 63501 (816) 785-4525 FAX (816) 785-4181 Bitnet: AD15@NEMOMUS Internet: AD15%NEMOMUS@Academic.NEMOState.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 08:58:01 CST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Georgianna Subject: Re: Scientific Vocabulary article in IEEE Computer In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 11 Jul 1994 17:16:43 +1000 from Here I go, off on a tangent. I'm a chemistry librarian and I find that science indexing is wonderfully easy. Today, as it happens, I'm supplying to interlibrary loan, a 1938 article, in German, about lithium. My German is limited to ya and nein, but I found the article easily because not only has the meaning of the word lithium not changed in more than 50 years, it crosses language borders. On the other hand, a couple of years ago I did some ERIC indexing and it was excitingly difficult because the words in the articles were everyday words that had to fit a specific technical use. I can't agree that science terms and usages are fluid, but I will certainly agree that social science terms are. Another tangential example: in another discussion group, we are going round and round about the nuances in meaning between virgin and maiden, today as well as in the time of the Christian gospels. In some fields, such as medicine and perhaps law, the first term has a technical definition, while the second doesn't anywhere. Georgianna Henry University of Mississippi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 11:59:33 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jessica Milstead <76440.2356@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Scientific Vocabulary article in IEEE Co Dwight, Thanks for that reference. Sounds as if these scientists are creating thesauri without knowing it. Ah well. Jessica Milstead ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 14:53:43 CDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paula Presley Subject: Re: Mulvany & Wellisch In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of MON 11 JUL 1994 10:59:33 CDT As mentioned earlier, I've made posters for my office. (I apologize to Nancy Mulvany for misspelling her name!) Following are the quotations on the posters. I'd like to know if Index-L folks agree with them: "Indexing cannot be reduced to a set of steps that can be followedl It is not a mechanical process. Indexing books is a from of writing. Like other types of writing, it is a mixture of art and craft, judgment and selection. With practice and experience, indexers develop their own style--as do other writers. The best we can do as teachers of indexing is to present the rules and offer guidance." Nancy C. Mulvany, _Indexing Books_ (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1994), vii. "Indexing does not come naturally, like breathing. It is rather more like playing the fiddle: some learn to do it reasonably well, a few will become virtuosi, but most people will never know how to do it at all. This simple truth seems to be lost on publishers and editors, who almost always assume that someone who can write a book will also be able to index it. But this assumption . . . is tantamount to the belief that an author can also design and cut the type from which the book will be printed." Hans Wellisch, _Indexing A to Z_ (New YHork: H. W. Wilson Co., 1991), xv. Paula Presley Assoc. Editor, The Thomas Jefferson University Press Copy Editor, The Sixteenth Century Journal Northeast Missouri State University McClain Hall 111L Kirksville, MO 63501 (816) 785-4525 FAX (816) 785-4181 Bitnet: AD15@NEMOMUS Internet: AD15%NEMOMUS@Academic.NEMOState.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 08:05:35 CDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paula Presley Subject: PUBS-L addresses In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of MON 11 JUL 1994 14:53:43 CDT For those of you who asked... PUBS-L: For the staff of publications offices at educational and non-profit institutions List Manager: kelly@utkvx.bitnet (Bitjnet: KELLY@UTKVX (Jim Kelly) listserv@utkvm1.utk.edu (Bitnet: LISTSERV@utkvm1) [body = SUBSCRIBE PUBS-L firstname lastname] Archive listserv@utkvm1.utk.edu Paula Presley Assoc. Editor, The Thomas Jefferson University Press Copy Editor, The Sixteenth Century Journal Northeast Missouri State University McClain Hall 111L Kirksville, MO 63501 (816) 785-4525 FAX (816) 785-4181 Bitnet: AD15@NEMOMUS Internet: AD15%NEMOMUS@Academic.NEMOState.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 05:56:48 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DWIGHT WALKER Subject: Re[1]: Scientific Vocabulary article in IEEE Computer I agree about standard scientific terminology. It's pretty reliable. When I did my librarianship diploma we touched on the arts such as history and sociology (which you mentioned). There was that subtle nuance which you mentioned. I suppose what the author was bringing up was the new terminology which evolves, such as 'parallel processors' in high-end computing. Before about 5 years ago that was only in the labs and now the salesman bandies it around with all the other must-haves of a business info system. Thank you very much for replying to my little foray. I sometimes feel a little on the edge in libraries having a science background. Just to wind up, I found the Chem Abstracts unit in the Uni of NSW course was very interesting as to how they arranged the various chemical formulae so that, yes, people from different languages could interpret it consistently. It is an art to interpret how other people with approach the same information. Ranganathan's 'Every book has a reader' philosophy... Bye, Dwight Walker Sydney, NSW, Australia Reply to message text: Here I go, off on a tangent. I'm a chemistry librarian and I find that science indexing is wonderfully easy. Today, as it happens, I'm supplying to interlibrary loan, a 1938 article, in German, about lithium. My German is limited to ya and nein, but I found the article easily because not only has the meaning of the word lithium not changed in more than 50 years, it crosses language borders. On the other hand, a couple of years ago I did some ERIC indexing and it was excitingly difficult because the words in the articles were everyday words that had to fit a specific technical use. I can't agree that science terms and usages are fluid, but I will certainly agree that social science terms are. Another tangential example: in another discussion group, we are going round and round about the nuances in meaning between virgin and maiden, today as well as in the time of the Christian gospels. In some fields, such as medicine and perhaps law, the first term has a technical definition, while the second doesn't anywhere. Georgianna Henry University of Mississippi ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 18:39:25 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Hazel Blumberg-McKee Subject: Vacation from indexing I've been an indexer for some time: one and one-half years as an in-house indexer for West Publishing Company, a large legal publisher in St. Paul, Minnesota; and at least six and one-half years as a full-time freelance indexer, editor, proofreader, researcher, and writer. I've been an ASI member for years. I started the Florida/Georgia ASI group and served as contact person for the group for two years. I took a two-year (thereabouts) "vacation" from indexing and am now thinking about reentering the field as a freelancer. How does it look out there? When I was indexing, there was a lot of work. Is that still the case? What are people charging (if you feel like revealing this information)? I normally charged per indexable page; I'd have to go back and check my records to see what I used to charge. I indexed a pretty eclectic mix of materials and specialized in legal indexing; I've got a law degree, an M.A. in German Literature and Linguistics, and an M.S. in Education in Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks much! Hazel Blumberg-McKee (hblumber@mailer.fsu.edu--until July 31, 1994) (hazelcb@freenet.tlh.fl.us--after July 31, 1994) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 12:59:51 CDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paula Presley Subject: Re: Vacation from indexing In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of WED 13 JUL 1994 09:39:25 CDT Hazel, I'd start by reading (or at least skimming) Nancy C. Mulvany, _Indexing Books_ (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1994). Also, Hans H. Wellisch, _Indexing from A to Z_ (New York: H. W. Wilson, 1991). Also, renew your membership in ASI... you'll be surprised how the organization has grown and what a nice newsletter you'll receive as well as the great annual meetings and local chapters. Paula Presley Assoc. Editor, The Thomas Jefferson University Press Copy Editor, The Sixteenth Century Journal Northeast Missouri State University McClain Hall 111L Kirksville, MO 63501 (816) 785-4525 FAX (816) 785-4181 Bitnet: AD15@NEMOMUS Internet: AD15%NEMOMUS@Academic.NEMOState.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 14:09:33 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kate Subject: Re: Vacation from indexing In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 14 Jul 1994 12:59:51 CDT from I note that Nancy Mulvany's book and Wellisch's book are often mentioned on this list. Does anyone have an opinion on "The Art of Indexing" by Larry Bonura (Wiley, 1994). The author has a technical writing background. Kate McCain mccainkw@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 13:21:16 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Indexing Services Subject: Indexing with Interleaf Has anyone used Interleaf software on Sun computers for indexing? Also has anyone produced an index in Cindex software and tranferred it to the Interleaf software? If anyone has done any of the above, I'd be interested in specifics as to how it was done. I have already contacted the Cindex producers. Thanks in advance. Joan Griffitts indexsvc@indyvax.iupui.edu