Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 14:18:12 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Neva J. Smith" Subject: same name, two paintings? ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hi INDEX-L colleagues- I need to index two paintings with the same name. They are portraits of the same subject, painted by the same artist, in the same year, with the same media. Is there a standard way to differentiate them? I could include the painting size in the entries, or a short description such as "(head)" after the title. Other suggestions? Thanks for any help- Neva J. Smith DataSmiths Information Services, & njsmith@bga.com Editor, _Library_Currents_ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 14:18:28 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: mrowland@aol.com Subject: MA Indexers Group 1st Meeting ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- We are happy to announce the first meeting of the Massachusetts Indexers Group: Massachusetts Indexers' Group Organizational Meeting Saturday, May 21, 1994 Noon to 2 pm Worcester Public Library Al Banx Room Salem Square Worcester, MA Share your thoughts about forming a Massachusetts chapter of the American Society of Indexers and hear a presentation by Peter Andrews on indexing technical and business documents. Meeting Topic: Indexing Technical and Business Literature Speaker: Peter J. Andrews Peter will address the special problems encountered in indexing technical and business documents: product names, trademarks, authority control, and technical terms. Name and term verification and the sources used the verification process will be emphasized. Peter Andrews has an MLS from Simmons College. His experience includes work in public libraries, academic libraries and special libraries. Currently with Digital Equipment Corporation's Corporate Library Group, his responsibilities include indexing the company's technical journal and thesaurus maintenance. His previous work within the corporation has included indexing the company's online sales journal and database development. Please help us update our files. Complete the form below and bring it with you to the meeting, mail it to Marilyn Rowland, 40 Upland Road, Duxbury, MA 02332, or e-mail it to Mrowland@aol.com. Thanks! Name:______________________________________________ Address: _____________________________________________ Phone: (voice)__________________; (fax) ___________________ E-mail address: ___________________________________ Special Interests/Skills: _________________________________________________________ Meeting Suggestions: _________________________________________________________ How would you like to help?: _____________________________________________________ For more information, call Marilyn Rowland at (617) 934-6756 (e-mail mrowland@aol.com) or Peter Andrews at (508) 486-2914 (e- mail andrews@rdvax.enet.dec.com). ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 14:19:20 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: crystal@celestat.com Organization: CeleStat, a 21st Century Electronic Village Subject: Assistance wanted ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Re: the Helping Hands organization that helps disabled find employment. I am my own client. I am in Bar Harbor, Maine and looking for someone who can provide apprenticeship opportunities in indexing. I saw the message and thought it applied to me. I am a librarian with muscular dystrophy, and have been researching jobs I could do at home on the computer. I am a member of ASI and the Maine Indexer's Group. I am taking an indexing course this fall, and am looking at Cindex and Macrex indexing software. I would appreciate any comments. Crystal Hall ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 15:06:53 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: lawrenc846@aol.com Subject: Re: same name, two paintings? ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Two ideas- you say the two paintings are from the same year, are they from the same day and month? Even if one is earlier than the other (but without a precise date) that might be useful information. Secondly, were both painting done in the same exact location under the same conditions? If there are differences they might be useful ways of distinguishing the paintings. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 15:08:54 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Kalen Smith Subject: Re: same name, two paintings? In-Reply-To: <199405092305.AA02591@metronet.com> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- On Mon, 9 May 1994, Neva J. Smith wrote: > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > I need to index two paintings with the same name. They are portraits of > the same subject, painted by the same artist, in the same year, with the > same media. > > Is there a standard way to differentiate them? I could include the > painting size in the entries, or a short description such as "(head)" > after the title. Other suggestions? > > Thanks for any help- > > Neva J. Smith DataSmiths Information Services, & > njsmith@bga.com Editor, _Library_Currents_ Wow -- you know how to pick 'em, don't you, Neva? If everything "technical" about the two pieces is the same, and if each has a permanent home, you might consider putting the name of the owning museum or collection in parentheses following.... Michael K. Smith mksmith@metronet.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ It doesn't TAKE all kinds, we just HAVE all kinds ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 15:11:58 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pat Pate Subject: SAME NAME, 2 paintings ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The standard way to cite this is noting in parentheses the name of the museum or the city in which the respective paintings reside. (Louvre) or (MOMA) If no museum owns them you could designate which was painted first, finished first - provided your artist didn't jump from one to the other Pat Neumann Library University of Houston - Clear Lake Pat Pate - Hit the return too soon ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 16:57:57 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Norm Howden Subject: Re: same name, two paintings? ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Neva, You might also use the pose or view of the subject to make a parenthetical qualifier. If the mood or attitude of the subject can be discerned you could use that, too. Norm +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | Norman Howden | | | | School of Library and Information Sciences | | University of North Texas | | howden@lis.unt.edu (817) 565-2760 | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 09:53:03 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cammie Subject: Re: same name, two paintings? ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >On Mon, 9 May 1994, Neva J. Smith wrote: > >> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >> I need to index two paintings with the same name. They are portraits of >> the same subject, painted by the same artist, in the same year, with the >> same media. >> >> Is there a standard way to differentiate them? I could include the >> painting size in the entries, or a short description such as "(head)" >> after the title. Other suggestions? >> >> Thanks for any help- >> >> Neva J. Smith DataSmiths Information Services, & >> njsmith@bga.com Editor, _Library_Currents_ > Hi - Your suggestions are exactly right. I live with an artist who is very particular about having the size of each work included with the "art identification" information. Also, the medium should be cited and he thinks your suggestion of the short description is a good one. ========================================== Cameron Donaldson Software Productivity Solutions, Inc. 122 4th Avenue Indialantic, FL 32903 (407) 984-3370 (voice) (407) 728-3957 (fax) ========================================== ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 09:53:38 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rosemary Simpson Subject: Technical manual indexing class ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- On Friday, May 20 in Cambridge MA I will be teaching a one-day overview workshop on indexing technical manuals. The workshop includes: * analysis of a "horribles" parade of published indexes * using standard tools such as Word and Filemaker to create good indexes for embedded environments - including MS Word and Framemaker * using marketing materials in conjunction with the technical materials * principles of developing a rich cross-reference web * turning a cross-reference web into a hypertext * managing the review process We will be referring to Nancy Mulvany's new book "Indexing Books" and her indexing chapter in the Chicago Manual of Style 14th Edition. An extensive reference bibliography and a workbook is included in the course materials. The sponsor is Editorial Services of New England, Inc. and the fee is $200. Call ESI at 617-354-2828 for further information. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 09:22:02 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jack Shaw Subject: same name, two paintings? ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Assuming the paintings have been either shown or sold/auctioned, catalog descriptions will make a standard distinction between them. Use that catalog distinction, and call your local art museum curator to confirm it. Public museums have folks like that who'll tell you what's what... J. Shaw jsh@software-ag.de ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 09:22:35 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Georgianna Subject: Re: same name, two paintings? In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 10 May 1994 16:57:57 ECT from ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Neva, Are the backgrounds the same? Person X Outdoors vs. Person X Indoors, for instance, or Person X Blue Background vs. Person X Green Background? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 09:25:01 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Neva J. Smith" Subject: Thanks, & any stories? In-Reply-To: <199405111355.AA20263@ghostwheel.bga.com> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Thanks to all INDEX-L-ers for your suggestions both on- and off-list. The index has gone in with the one- and two- word descriptors. Just out of curiosity, what was *your* most difficult entry to select? Any stories? Neva J. Smith DataSmiths Information Services, & njsmith@bga.com Editor, _Library_Currents_ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 09:25:39 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: bob wallace Subject: Getting started ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- A number of people have been asking me to share any tips I have for getting started--getting those first few assignments--as a freelancer. This seems like a good topic for the list. Would others like to share their tips, too? For copyediting work, I simply sent out a lot of "cold" letters/resumes (around 25) to publishers, figuring that if I sent out enough of them, I was bound to get one job. I wanted to take advantage of my area of expertise (translation: justify the school loan I will paying back through my next three lives), so I especially targeted publishers of scholarly philosophy books. I got the addresses and names of contacts out of _The Literary Marketplace_. Those letters brought me one assignment and a bunch of copyediting tests, which led to more assignments, and I was on my way. I should mention that I bombed a number of those tests before I got the hang of it, and I learned a lot from the tests themselves and from production editors who were good enough to let me know what stuff I needed to study up on. After I had a bit more experience, I actually took some of the flunked tests again and got assignments. For indexing work, I initially advertised myself by word of mouth. One acquaintance had a friend who had just written a book and needed an indexer. So that was my very first paid index (I have the first dollar framed). The second job was a referral from another indexer who was too busy to do it and thought it would be a good project for a beginner. I had only told her about a week before that I was just starting to do indexing. Then I sent out letters/resumes not only to publishers but to philosophers I know. That brought two assignments right away and a few more several months later. I've also tried advertising, which has produced several inquiries but no actual jobs yet. But it's probably too soon to tell. Regarding word-of-mouth advertising, it's important to get out of the house and put yourself in places where you will meet people you can talk to and give your business card to. Go to meetings. It doesn't matter whether you meet writers; some of the people you meet will know writers. I had to learn to become shameless about giving out my card. One thing that helped was to have an image of myself as providing a service people really need, not an image of myself as selling snake oil. And if people don't know why they might need an indexer for their book, I tell 'em. That's all I can think of at the moment. Comments? Carol Roberts rw16@cornell.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 10:46:46 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Skuster Subject: index-l Dear subscribers, I will be away from my desk and computer next week and have decided to place index-l on automatic pilot during that time. What that means for you is that there may be a few messages about subscribing and unsubscribing; other than that, you should notice no changes. (The list is actually un-moderated as of today, but I will be around through tomorrow.) To those of you going to ASI meeting--enjoy. Charlotte Skuster Index-l moderator ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 07:08:54 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Clare Beghtol Subject: ASIS SIG/CR's 5th Classification Research Workshop - Call f NOTE: NEW EXTENDED DEADLINE FOR SUBMISSIONS. CROSS-POSTED. __________________________________________________________________ CALL FOR PARTICIPATION 5th ASIS SIG/CR Classification Research Workshop QUESTIONS, CONTROVERSIES AND CONCLUSIONS IN CLASSIFICATION RESEARCH The American Society for Information Science Special Interest Group on Classification Research (ASIS SIG/CR) invites submissions for the 5th ASIS Classification Research Workshop, to be held at the 57th Annual Meeting of ASIS in Alexandria, VA. The workshop will take place Sunday, October 16th, 1994, 8:30 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. ASIS '94 continues through Thursday, October 20th. The CR Workshop is designed to be an exchange of ideas among active researchers with interests in the creation, development, management,representation, display, comparison, compatibility, theory, and application of classification schemes. Emphasis will be on semantic classification, in contrast to statistically based schemes. Topics include, but are not limited to: - Warrant for concepts in classification schemes. - Concept acquisition. - Basis for semantic classes. - Automated techniques to assist in creating classification schemes. - Statistical techniques used for developing explicit semantic classes. - Relations and their properties. - Inheritance and subsumption. - Knowledge representation schemes. - Classification algorithms. - Procedural knowledge in classification schemes. - Reasoning with classification schemes. - Software for management of classification schemes. - Interfaces for displaying classification schemes. - Data structures and programming languages for classification schemes. - Image classification. - Comparison and compatibility between classification schemes. - Applications such as subject analysis, natural language understanding, information retrieval, expert systems. The CR Workshop welcomes submissions from various disciplines. Those interested in participating are invited to submit a short (1-2 page single-spaced) position paper summarizing substantive work that has been conducted in the above areas or other areas related to semantic classification schemes, and a statement briefly outlining the reason for wanting to participate in the workshop. Submissions may include background papers as attachments. Participation will be of two kinds: presenter and regular participant. Those selected as presenters will be invited to submit expanded versions of their position papers and to speak to those papers in brief presentations during the workshop. All position papers (both expanded and short papers) will be published in proceedings to be distributed prior to the workshop. The workshop registration fee is $35.00. Traditionally, a revised version of the proceedings is published the following year as a volume of Advances in Classification Research (ASIS Monograph Series, published by Learned Information, Medford, New Jersey, USA) Submissions should be made by email, or diskette accompanied by paper copy, or paper copy only (fax or postal), to arrive by May 30, 1994, to: *Raya Fidel, Graduate School of Library and Information Science, University of Washington, FM-30, Seattle, WA 98195; Internet: fidelr@u.washington.edu; Phone: 206-543-1888; Fax: 206-685-8049* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 13:44:46 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jeff Finlay, aka H-Amstdy Moderator" Organization: St. Peter's College, US Subject: Re: Thanks, & any stories? > Just out of curiosity, what was *your* most difficult entry to select? Any > stories? I don't know if this counts but I had to clean up an index done by somebody who really hadn't a clue what he was doing (eg he made cities subheadings of states). Every entry had to be redone because the subheads were all cryptic things like "Johnson suspected illegitimate offspring of" or "best guess thought responded to by." It certainly goes down in my book as the hardest indexing work I've done. Jeff ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 14:58:40 PDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Janice Woo Subject: Re: Getting started The way I got started as a freelance indexer might be of interest because it's so different from Carol's experiences. First I got an MLIS degree (this was after working as a library asst. for a couple of years). Then after working as a professional librarian for a bit, I became one of the Getty funded indexers at the Avery Index to Architectural Periodicals at Columbia University. Naturally, I learned a lot about indexing while so employed. My big break came when an editor, who had been a librarian, asked me to do a couple of indexes. It seems like once you've done a few, word gets around and jobs get offered to you. I just do freelance to supplement my (impoverished student) income and usually end up turning down jobs for lack of time. -- Janice Woo, student (not faculty) at UCB =========================================================================