Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 16:19:36 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: index@shrsys.hslc.org Subject: Indexer needed ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- A member of our faculty is looking for a freelance indexer to do a back-of-book index for a book on Neuroepidemiology. If anyone (preferably in the Philadelphia area) might be interested, please contact me at the e-mail address below, or by telephone. I'm not a regular subscriber to this list, so please do not post responses to the list. Thank you, Kathleen Turner Reference Librarian Eastern Pennsylvania Psychiatric Institute Philadelphia, PA Internet: turner@hslc.org (215) 842-4037 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 16:21:16 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: mary headley Subject: Re: USDA Correspondence Program ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Yes, I would be interested in the feedback you get on the best way to get into free-lance indexing. I've been a technical writer for several years now, most recently self-employed. I've done many indexes for the user guides I've written, but I'm interested in learning about how to break into commercial indexing. Thanks for sending along any tips that are sent your way. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:58:50 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jeff Finlay, aka H-Amstdy Co-Moderator" Organization: St. Peter's College, US Subject: Re: archive going ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > It is time to remove some more archived materials. Charlotte, I can't understand how the BINGVMB mainframe has no space for the INDEX-L archives. It doesn't cost very much, and surely the computer folks realize what a valuable resource INDEX-L provides for information scientists? Isn't there something that can be done to stop this madness? How about posting to LSTSRV-L to look for an alternative site that would be willing to host the archives? Jeff H-Amstdy moderator finlay_j@spcvxa.spc.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Five words cost Zacharias forty weeks' silence - Fuller ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 12:00:01 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: rda@cogsci.ed.ac.uk Subject: Editing Citations and Reference Lists ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Norm Howden writes: > I have some real concerns, because that query seems a bit naive. If > you are dealing with only one style manual then you might be > interested in moving dates and initials around. To really be useful, > format conversion should be capable of outputting any format > required. I realise that my original query didn't make the aim of the project clear, so I'll take this opportunity to expand a little, in the hope that this may be of interest to some readers on this list. The BibEdit project, as it's called, is part of a larger research programme directed at building tools that can make the editor's job easier. The aim is to do this by taking ideas from Artificial Intelligence and Natural Language Processing, and to apply these in the context of text processing tools. The major issue here is that we have to deal with real text, rather than the hand-crafted examples that are so often the focus of work in NLP. BibEdit aims to be a configurable system that: - goes through the electronic version of a manuscript and locates all the possible citations in the text; - parses all the reference list entries; - detects mismatches between the two; - reformats both citations and reference list entries in the preferred house style. The goal is to be able to handle any house styles that are required. The problem that provoked my initial query comes down to this: on looking over the data we have, one gets the impression that by far the vast majority of "errors" are simply a matter of the author having adopted a different house style from that which the publisher requires. Now, that makes the task relatively easy, since we can make use of grammars that are tuned to the different styles. However, a small number of errors in the data we've looked at really are errors: things like missing information (such as page numbers, and even occasionally titles) and inconsistent ordering of information within one reference list. Now, if these problems really are very rare, then it's not worth our effort to build sophisticated methods to handle them; better that we provide a good interface that makes it easy for the editor to handle them. But -- and this was the point of my query -- perhaps these problems are more common than our data suggests; or perhaps there are natural categories of these errors that editors are familiar with but we're not, where being aware of these categories might suggest alternative solutions to the problems. So, if anyone has any insights to offer, I'd be very interested to hear. > Another question that needs asking is whether the problem can be > solved with a really good software like Papyrus which can import, > reformat, and export in a wide variety of data formats and > bibliographic styles? I haven't come across Papyrus and would be grateful for a pointer to more information. Note that the problem we're trying to address here is *not* that which is dealt with by the use of packages like EndNote, ProCite and BibTeX; we're trying to handle texts where the reference lists have not been constructed by such a tool. Thanks for reading this far in what has turned out to be rather a long message ... R -------- Robert Dale | University of Edinburgh Phone: +44 31 650 4416 | Human Communication Research Centre Fax: +44 31 650 4587 | 2 Buccleuch Place Email: R.Dale@ed.ac.uk | Edinburgh EH8 9LW Scotland ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 12:02:03 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Janice Woo Subject: Re: Indexers - books vs. journals ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Ted Koppel (of CARL) inquired about the comparative status of book vs journal indexers, but I think a more pertinent distinction is the contrasting "levels of indexing" done by the two. [I base this observation on experience as a free-lance b.o.b. indexer and as an Avery Index staffer.] It seems to me that books get (or should get) more comprehensive and detailed indexing than journal articles. Detailed access to journal articles is usually by full text searching (which doesn't call upon the skills of human indexers). For this reason I think b.o.b. indexing requires somewhat greater analytic skill and more knowledge of the subject matter, but at the same time, trying to describe the essentials of journal article with a handful of descriptors is an art in itself. ^a Janice Woo ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 12:02:42 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sam Saal Subject: Re: Embedded Indexing Software (RFC of 12/93) ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- What is this? ---------- From: framers-request To: Request for Comments; index-l%bingvmb.BITNET; techwr-l Subject: Embedded Indexing Software (RFC of 12/93) Date: Friday, January 14, 1994 7:36AM UmU6IFJlcXVlc3QgZm9yIENvbW1lbnRzIG9uIEVtYmVkZGVkIEluZGV4aW5n IFNvZnR3YXJlCgpJIHdhbnQgdG8gdGhhbmsgYWxsIG9mIHlvdSB3aG8gcmVw bGllZCB0byBteSBSZXF1ZXN0IGZvciBDb21tZW50cwphYm91dCBlbWJlZGRl .... Rest deleted ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 12:03:42 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Skuster Subject: last message Oops--I did not mean for that garbled message to go out. Sorry! Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 12:05:00 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: maryann@mnrosdp.revisor.leg.state.mn.us Subject: Twin Cities Chapter, January meeting ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The Twin Cities Chapter of the American Society of Indexers will meet on Thursda yy, January 27, at 7:00 p.m. The program for the meeting is a talk on tax matters for the freelancer working at home. The speaker will be Mark Schneider, CPA, JD. The location of the meeting is his office, in the Empire Builder Center, at 23 Empire Drive, St. Paul. To attend the meeting--and to make sure we'll have enough handouts for you-- PLEASE CALL Maryann Corbett at 612-297-2952 days or 612-645-5985 evenings. To get to 23 Empire Drive: If you are coming into St. Paul via I-94, take the Marion Street exit. Turn north on Marion Street to University. Turn right (east) on University and go a short distance to Rice Street. Turn left (north) on Rice, to Pennsylvania, right (east) on Pennsylvania to Empire Drive. Turn left on Empire drive and follow it around a right-veering curve. 23 Empire Drive is on your left (north side of street). If you come via 35E, going south: Take the Pennsylvania exit. Take Pennsyl- vania west to the Jackson Street exit. At the top of the ramp, cross Jackson and you will be on Empire Drive. 23 Empire Drive will be on your right. However you come, enter the building by the west door and follow the signs to the ASI meeting. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 12:05:35 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Skuster Subject: Re: archive going In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 19 Jan 1994 11:58:50 ECT from Jeff- Disk space is at a premium around here and even if it weren't, how much is enough? I agree that it is a shame to lose some of these discussions--on the other hand, the nature of listservs is that subscribers come and go and the discussions recycle. I would hate to have someone hesitate to ask a question or bring up an issue for discussion just because it has been asked before. With new subscribers come new points of view. That's my philosophical answer. On the practical side: I have no objection to someone else taking responsibility for keeping all of the archives. Since I am unable to maintain them with the listserv software that allows for automatic access, I would rather not have to spend the time it would take to store them and respond to requests. If there is someone willing to do this, let me know. Although I am officially the "list owner"--you as subscribers have real ownership. I value your input. Thanks Charlotte Skuster Index-l moderator ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 12:18:13 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rosemary Simpson Subject: Deleted archives ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I am a new member of INDEX-L and would like to get all the old material I can. I understand from your message yesterday that archived materials don't stay forever. Is there someone who might have some or all of the previously deleted archives? Thanks Rosemary Simpson, Indexing Unlimited ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 12:20:02 ECT Reply-To: "Stephen P. Harter [Steve]" Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Stephen P. Harter [Steve]" Subject: Re: Editing Citations and Reference Lists ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- On Wed, 19 Jan 1994 rda%cogsci.ed.ac.uk@UICVM.UIC.EDU wrote: [stuff deleted] > > The goal is to be able to handle any house styles that are required. > The problem that provoked my initial query comes down to this: on > looking over the data we have, one gets the impression that by far the > vast majority of "errors" are simply a matter of the author having > adopted a different house style from that which the publisher > requires. Now, that makes the task relatively easy, since we can make > use of grammars that are tuned to the different styles. However, a > small number of errors in the data we've looked at really are errors: > things like missing information (such as page numbers, and even > occasionally titles) and inconsistent ordering of information within > one reference list. Now, if these problems really are very rare, then > it's not worth our effort to build sophisticated methods to handle > them; better that we provide a good interface that makes it easy for > the editor to handle them. But -- and this was the point of my query > -- perhaps these problems are more common than our data suggests; or > perhaps there are natural categories of these errors that editors are > familiar with but we're not, where being aware of these categories > might suggest alternative solutions to the problems. > > So, if anyone has any insights to offer, I'd be very interested to hear. > Try the following article, which also has a long bibliography of other works that address this question: Sweetland, James H. "Errors in bibliographic citations: A continuing problem." {iLibrary Quarterly} 59 (1989): 291-304. HARTER@INDIANA.EDU Steve Harter / SLIS / Indiana University / Bloomington, IN 47405 (812) 855-5113 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 12:52:40 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Chuck Banks Subject: Archive Files Charlotte, A question for clarification: Will you be able to make and retain two months' (preceeding and current months) archives? That would be enough to allow those of us who wish to maintain personal copies to obtain them from LISTSERV. You could delete the preceeding month archive after, say, a week. I would rather avoid the labor involved in making and editing a personal archive file manually. Thanks! Chuck Banks -- __ ________ ______ |\\ | || // Chuck Banks | \\ | ||_______ || Senior Technical Writer | \\ | || || NEC America, Inc. | \\| \\______ \\______ E-Mail: chuck@asl.dl.nec.com America, Incorporated CompuServe: 72520,411 [Chuck...At present we are able to maintain about 9 months of archives. Index-l messages are automatically archived when posted. Subscribers can have the monthly archives sent to them by sending the following message to Listserv@bingvmb: get index-l log9305 (for May). The 9 months limit is not absolute, it depends on the message traffic. If there is more discussion, we run out of disk space faster. The listserv software does all the work of replying to requests for archives. I like it that way! :) Does this answer your question? Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 14:36:13 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Patrick VANOUPLINES Subject: ! Update MIST2 training activities and courses ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- INVITATION to participate to training activities and courses organised 2 March - 25 June 1994 in Brussels, BELGIUM: 2nd International training course on the MANAGEMENT OF INFORMATION IN SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY ( M I S T 2 ) with an emphasis on information related to water and the environment Approved by the Flemish Interuniversity Council (VLIR) Sponsored by the Belgian Administration for Development Cooperation (BADC or ABOS) and by the UNESCO International Hydrological Programme (IHP) COSTS: - Fee to participate during the whole period, including all social activities, (70,000 Belgian Francs = about 2,000 US$) or to particular items selected from the programme. (1,000 Belgian Francs per module of a half day = about 35 US$) by sending a letter including a cheque payable to MIST, University Library - Participants pay themselves for travel, meals, and housing. CONTACT: Tel. ++32-2-641 24 29 Fax ++32-2-641 26 93 (or 22 82) Telex 61051 vubco-b, E-mail (Internet): PVOUPLIN@VNET3.VUB.AC.BE, PNIEUWEN@VUB.AC.BE Mail: Paul NIEUWENHUYSEN or Patrick VANOUPLINES MIST, University Library Free University Brussels Pleinlaan 2, B-1050 Brussels BELGIUM PRELIMINARY PROGRAMME: - Orientation tour of the University Library. - Orientation tour of the Laboratory of Hydrology. - Introduction to microcomputer systems: hardware. - Introduction to microcomputer systems: software. - Microcomputer operating systems. - The flow of scientific information. - Bibliographic descriptions; ISBD. - National libraries and national bibliographies. - Subject classification schemes and thesaurus systems. - Telematics, data communication, computer networks. - Electronic mail. - Online information retrieval. - Bibliographic databases related to water and the environment. - Search strategies. - Software packages for local storage and retrieval of bibliographic information. - Introduction to CDS/ISIS software package for information storage and retrieval. - The application of CDS/ISIS: searching. - The application of CDS/ISIS: editing data in a database. - The application of CDS/ISIS: output of selected data to file or printer. - The application of CDS/ISIS: developing a database structure. - The application of CDS/ISIS: indexing data for fast retrieval. - Downloading of information and record format conversion: principles. - Downloading of information and record format conversion: application of Fangorn with CDS/ISIS. - Statistics for information science. - Queuing theory. - Citation analysis. - The bibliometric laws. - Scientometrics. - Library automation. - Online Public Access Catalogues (OPACs). - Interlibrary lending and cooperation. - Document collection development. - Introduction to the IDAMS microcomputer software package for data analysis. - Text editing / Word processing. - Information technology for developing countries. - The information society. - Copyright. - Transborder data flow. - CD-ROM = Compact Disk - Read Only Memory. - Presentation of data, using a microcomputer. - Marketing of information and documentation. - CD-interactive. - Audio visual media. - Computer-based multimedia. - Relational data base management systems. - Public relations. - Archives. - Image databases. - Geographic Information Systems (GIS). - Artificial intelligence for information systems. - ... POSSIBLE STUDY VISITS: - Library of the University of Antwerp (U.I.A.) + Inter-university Postgraduate School for Information and Library Science at the University of Antwerp (Belgium). - The Royal (National) Library (Brussels, Belgium) - Documentation centre of the national association for the prevention of accidents (in Brussels, Belgium) - Information service of the Geology Department of the Royal Museum on Africa (in Tervuren near Brussels, Belgium) - Institute for Marine Scientific Research IZWO (at the sea coast near Ostend, Belgium) - International Reference Centre (IRC) for Water Supply and Sanitation (The Hague - The Netherlands). - Documentation Department of the KIT (in Amsterdam, The Netherlands) - National Online Information Meeting 1994 (in Rotterdam, The Netherlands) PERSONAL PROJECT: Related to the trainee's personal interest, based on the newly acquired knowledge. LOCATION: The training is mainly organized at the University Library of the Vrije Universiteit Brussel (VUB), close to the rich cultural city of Brussels, Belgium. LANGUAGE USED: English. The course director is Dr. Paul Nieuwenhuysen, Lecturer at the Vrije Universiteit Brussel and at the Universitaire Instelling Antwerpen, Science and technology librarian, and Head of information and documentation, of the Vrije Universiteit Brussel. Assistant director is Patrick Vanouplines, hydrologist, scientific information intermediary at the Vrije Universiteit Brussel. Participants will obtain a certificate after active participation. The Free University of Brussels (Vrije Universiteit Brussel - V.U.B.) campus is located just outside the centre of the city, and can easily be reached by Metro (subway), tram and bus. Version dated 5 January 1994. REGISTRATION FORM 1. a. Family name (surname): ............................... (married female candidates should fill in their maiden-name, NOT the name of their husband) b. First or given names (according to your official passport):.............. 2. Personal address: ................................ .................................................. Country:.......................................... Telephone, telefax, telex and/or e-mail numbers: ............................ 3. a. Date of birth: ............... b. Place of birth: ...................... 4. Nationality: ..... ............................... 5. Sex: male / female 6. Present employment: a. Name and address of employer: ................. ............................................... ............................................... b. Since: ../../.. c. Position - function: ........................ d. Specialization: .............................. Telephone, telefax, telex and/or e-mail numbers: ............................ 7. Education - studies: Name of institute Number of Degree Grade Date and address years 8. Knowledge of English and other languages: ......................... 9. Computer knowledge (please tick appropriate box): advanced basic no experience knowledge knowledge at all IBM-PC or compatible: O O O MS-DOS: O O O Word processing O O O Software: O O O please specify: .................................. Data base program: O O O please specify: .................................. CDS/ISIS: O O O other (please specify) .............................. 10. Professional work done during last 5 years (details of employment and duties) Name & address of employer Period Position/Function a. .............................................................. b. .............................................................. c. .............................................................. 11. Have you ever been abroad for: a. business reasons (please specify): ..... b. studying (please specify): ..... 12. Duties which you will carry out after your return: ................................................................ ................................................................ Please include a recent photograph Date: Signature: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 14:36:49 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Nancy C. Mulvany" Subject: Embedded Indexing Software (RFC of 12/93) ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Re: Request for Comments on Embedded Indexing Software I want to thank all of you who replied to my Request for Comments about embedded indexing software in December. You've been very generous by providing thoughtful responses. As promised, I will post the results of this informal survey. I hope to have preliminary results posted by early to mid-February. My file containing your responses is around 180 Kb in size. So, I have a bit of material to go through! I do hope to present "common threads" in your requests for improvements in this type of software. I have yet to thoroughly read everything (which I plan to do). I have skimmed through the responses. As expected, the responses clearly indicate that we are not "happy campers." As a few of you have made clear, you consider your correspondence with me as private email. Since I did not specify otherwise, I too consider it private email and understand that many of you do not wish attribution for your comments. Again, thank you very much for sharing your thoughts with me. -nancy Nancy Mulvany Bayside Indexing Service Kensington, CA (510) 524-4195, voice nmulvany@well.sf.ca.us