From: SMTP%"LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu" 8-JAN-1998 15:22:35.34 To: CIRJA02 CC: Subj: File: "INDEX-L LOG9712A" Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:57:50 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB (1.8a) Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9712A" To: CIRJA02@GSVMS1.CC.GASOU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 23:34:59 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rebecca Carr Subject: Passing along posts Susan: Ditto for me. Becky ----- Begin Included Message ----- Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 09:09:36 -0500 From: Susan Wilkerson Subject: Re: Does anyone care if I pass along the posts? Maria I am glad this came up I would have never thought I needed permission to send on response to a question I had ask onlist. I have in fact done it myself. But now I can see why I shouldn't have and I guess I am going to have to apologize to that person....etc ----- End Included Message ----- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 23:23:56 LCL Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Victoria Baker Subject: Re: Does anyone care if I pass along the posts? In-Reply-To: <199711292359.PAA02495@pacific.net> At 06:47 PM 11/29/97 -0500, you wrote: >If anyone who was kind enough to respond to my first post asking for >advice doesn't want me to pass it along to the people who are interested >in that information, please let me know. Otherwise I will send them >along to others who could benefit from them as well. > >Since I was publicly rebuked for offering to send on the posts, I must >say that I wasn't aware of such a rule on internet mailing lists. In >fact, since people were willing to give advice to a complete stranger, >it seems to me that they wouldn't mind if that information was passed >along. I know I wouldn't. But if you do, let me know and I will honor >your request. I need to say here that private letters received in response to a public request for information require permission from each sender, obtained privately, before those letters may be forwarded. A public blanket request, in my experience and opinion, does not do the job (and, I may add, may result in a hesitation to offer information if privacy is not respected). I'm on another mailing list that is closed to forwarded public posts without private permission, as well, so I think mailing lists vary in their requirements. I think it's a matter of common courtesy to check with individuals about private letters. I can think of many reasons for sending a private note to a question asked here on Index-L, and have sent some myself. Those, to me, come under the heading of private communication, regardless of the prior acquaintance. Best, Victoria ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 00:15:09 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Martha Osgood Subject: Re: online responses important In-Reply-To: <199711301607.IAA10262@darkwing.uoregon.edu> >I'm glad this came up too. I have sometimes waited in vain for answers to >questions such as Richard Evans' 10-26 on "Column Continuation" or Martha >Osgood's 11-18 "Four Plump and Juicy Ones." I am beginning to wonder if a >lot of the good stuff goes on privately and the chit-chat gets >distributed. While I enjoy the chit-chat, the real reason I spend time >reading this list every day is for information--like the discussion on >moonlighting or >Christine Shuttleworth's comment on captions. Plump and Juicy responses: If responses are off-line and different from the online responses, I usually summarize to the list and re-thank folks. But if everyone responded online, or if any offline posts were not much different than the online responses, I thank folks individually and don't summarize. Sometimes I don't ever receive someone's initial query, and only figure it out from other people's responses. I wonder how pervasive this is, and if this is one of the issues going on here. Rogue elves in the 'net, y'know... Martha Osgood Back Words Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:05:31 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sandra Topping Subject: Re: analysis in deep indexing Heather: I'm in the habit of creating a subhead for each entry as I enter it. If it later turns out that John Smith had only 2 opinions (on turnip seeds and the time-space continuum), I'll probably dump the subheads. If he had 6 opinions on those two subjects, I'll keep them, especially if the topic of the tome is "Turnip Seeds in the Time-Space Continuum". This saves me having to thumb through the text later to create subentries or to evaluate the importance of Mr. Smith's opinions. (It's easier to cut hair than grow it.) Happy gardening, Sandy ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 09:59:11 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Mary Mortensen Subject: Authors as indexers Last evening I saw an interview with British historian Martin Gilbert on the "About Books" program on C-Span2 (in the U.S.) The interviewer asked him about indexes because evidently Gilbert notes in each book that he compiled the index. Gilbert said that he does it himself because he thinks the index should have a narrative character, that the reader should be able to read the index and get another perspective on the book. He also said that he likes to have the opportunity to make changes at the last minute in the proofs, if he sees a theme emerging in the index that he didn't realize was coming through, for example. The interviewer asked who else might do an index (obviously not aware that there are freelance indexers) but Gilbert didn't answer that question. In response to a question on how a reader would be able to tell that the index was his, he said that he liked to put jokes in his indexes. He also said that an index takes him 3-4 weeks of intense work (I don't imagine most authors would be willing to spend that time). It sounds as if he works all the time - he has published something like 40 books in 35 years. He also provides all the maps for his own books. I'll have to look at some of his indexes now (he has written a Churchill biography and has just published the first volume of a history of the 20th century, amontg other books.) Lucky for us freelancers that most authors don't feel the same way! Mary -- * Mary Mortensen * marymort@aol.com * Lawrence, Kansas, USA * mmortensen@compuserve.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:27:43 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: analysis in deep indexing Joanne wrote: << On Heather's request for information on collapsing or not collapsing an entry. Given her example with only four locators, I'd collapse it. I think the user can fairly easily look up up to 5 locators without feeling undue frustration. I think too many subentries will make the index too cluttered. I will break my rule for a topic that is very general, but for which there are two or three subentries that won't come together in one phrase >> And I agree. Glad to know I'm not a complete maverick! I don't think it's a terrible crime to analyze those pages, but it looks cluttered to me, too, and I think that few locators aren't too much to look through. One of Heather's points is an interesting one: subentries have to be, at least on some level, arbitrary--they usually exclude some information even as they include other information. That's just the way it is, and our job is to make them as expressive as possible--but they are there primarily for the purpose of breaking up the information in the main entry. If a subentry is important in itself (poststructuralism in the previous example) it should also be a main heading. Do Mi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 12:32:28 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: analysis in deep indexing Oh, another thing about whether to analyze the name of a person: if the name is in te index because the author has cited it in the text, either in parentheses or not ("in the poststructuralist view, colonialism often interacts with the body (Smith, 1995)" or "Smith discusses the interaction between colonialism and the body but I disagree..." I would not analyze it no matter how many locators there are. This is an absolute in the case of citations in parentheses (first example); in the second example it's a judgement call. If Smith seems to be a ^subject^ of the book then I might analyze him (if there are more than 5 or 6 locators); but if these are just citations in a slightly more informal style than I wouldn't. Subentry analysis is for subjects, not citations. Do Mi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:36:07 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Wilkerson Subject: Don't Forget the AOL Monday Night Book Indexer's Chat - 8:30 Central Time If you need the link. E-mail me for it. This is a private room so it is not listed in the chat room listings. If you need to come earlier than 8:30 Central Time or anytime you just want to chat pop in someone may be there. Hope to see you. Susan Bookindexr@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:45:03 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Joanne E. Clendenen" Organization: AfterWords Indexing Services Subject: Re: analysis in deep indexing DStaub11@AOL.COM wrote: > > Oh, another thing about whether to analyze the name of a person: if the name > is in te index because the author has cited it in the text, either in > parentheses or not ("in the poststructuralist view, colonialism often > interacts with the body (Smith, 1995)" or "Smith discusses the interaction > between colonialism and the body but I disagree..." I would not analyze it no > matter how many locators there are. This is an absolute in the case of > citations in parentheses (first example); in the second example it's a > judgement call. If Smith seems to be a ^subject^ of the book then I might > analyze him (if there are more than 5 or 6 locators); but if these are just > citations in a slightly more informal style than I wouldn't. Subentry > analysis is for subjects, not citations. > > Do Mi I agree, but I was forced to index all the citation names one time anyway. What a pain! It was a vanity thing, in the end. Joanne -- AfterWords Indexing Services Joanne E. Clendenen email: jbclend@bigfoot.com http://www.flash.net/~jbclend ---------------- "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not any simpler." Einstein ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:39:38 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Authors as indexers The cynic in me is speaking now, but does anyone want to take bets on whether this guy's indexes are outstanding or foul -- choose one? Never mind the quality of his general authorship. dllt ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 17:39:39 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Passing along posts [another one] A footnote to an ongoing thread. No electronic mail is private; some is more private than others. As others have mentioned, if a member requests that a reply be sent "off-list" or privately, I invariably honor that request. I have never had the need to re-post or forward someone else's letter onto the List, but would assume that I needed permission. On the rare occasions when I re-post some Index-L material to a friend or colleague who is NOT a list member I remove all headers and footers, as well as deleting personal names or references within the document. Thie presumably removes all "provenance" information. Cheers, dllt ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:06:29 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kamm Y. Schreiner" Subject: SKY Index Professional Edition Press Release: SKY Index Professional is now available. Please refer to our web site for product information, available discounts, and competitive upgrade pricing. Web Site: http://www.sky-software.com Sincerely, Kamm Schreiner President SKY Software 4675 York Rd #1 Lineboro, MD 21102 email: kamm@sky-software.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 19:39:56 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: SBO12441 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Stephanie Olivo's Question dllt Thanks so much for you advice. I was given excellent step-by-step advice for AOL which is the ISP that I have, but I'm going to check out your suggestion. Again, thanks. Stephanie Stephanie B. Olivo Olive Press Indexing Services West Sand Lake, NY (518)674-2761 SBO12441@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 10:50:50 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Does anyone care if I pass along the posts? In-Reply-To: <199712010518.XAA07239@mixcom.mixcom.com> >Does this mean we shouldn't quote prices of software or equipment and such on >Index-L? and what about the chat log where we talk freely about prices? I >think I may have done that too. :( > >Susan I was referring to the fees we charge for indexing, not prices we pay for equipment. I'm not trying to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't post publicly. I don't *know* what would count for the IRS as price fixing. I simply offered that as an example of something someone might have been worried about and thus e-mailed about off-list. Although I do understand that newcomers worry about missing important information if it goes off-list, it's really the business of each person who replies whether to post on- or off-list. And there may be all sorts of reasons for replying privately--other than not wanting to rehash old stuff. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer http://www.mixweb.com/Roberts.Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 21:24:16 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: analysis in deep indexing Joanne wrote (quoting me): <<< Subentry analysis is for subjects, not citations.> I agree, but I was forced to index all the citation names one time anyway. What a pain! It was a vanity thing, in the end. >> Well...I don't believe in making subheads for them, but I do think that they should go in the index. Scholarly authors look each other up all the time--one of the readers' needs, whether I think it's vanity or not. In any case, whether to index them or not is usually a publisher decision. Do Mi ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:39:43 +0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Headley and Adrian Walker-Smith Subject: Re: Authors as indexers >From Christine Headley I'm amazed about Martin Gilbert doing his own indexes - he is seriously prolific. And he hasn't just done a Churchill biography. He finished the mammoth series that Churchill's son started and died while working on. Each volume is the size of a normal long biography! I think the newest Churchill book is a distillation of the Life and Works he was tackling before. Christine ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:20:46 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Joanne E. Clendenen" Organization: AfterWords Indexing Services Subject: Re: Web-Site Kevin asked about the usefulness of web sites for indexing businesses and where to get a free or low-cost one. I haven't received any business yet directly from my site, but it's only been available for a couple of months. Some ISP's don't seem to care if you have business material on your free site, but others do. I use FlashNet because they give me 1MB of free web space, with no restrictions. They can be unreliable at times for accessibility, though, because they are growing fast, so beware. A colleague of mine has his site with Tripod.com. Tripod isn't an ISP, but provides space for web sites. Your commercial site is free, but they put an ad on it. If you don't want the ad, you have to pay a relatively small fee (like $12, I think). Anyway, if you're interested, check these out: http://www.flash.net http://www.tripod.com Joanne -- AfterWords Indexing Services Joanne E. Clendenen email: jbclend@bigfoot.com http://www.flash.net/~jbclend ---------------- "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not any simpler." Einstein ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:03:57 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Call for Roundtable Hosts * CALL FOR ROUNDTABLE HOSTS * FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Lori Lathrop e-mail: 76620.456@compuserve.com The American Society of Indexers (ASI) is celebrating its 30th Annual Conference with the Indexing and Abstracting Society of Canada (IASC) - May 13-16, 1998 - Cavanaugh's Inn - Seattle, Washington Although the deadline for submitting proposals for the 1998 ASI Annual Conference, it is *not* too late to submit proposals to host roundtable discussions from Noon to 2 PM on May 14 & 15. Your proposal should contain the following information: 1, Your name, address, phone/fax numbers, and e-mail address 2. A brief bio 3. Title of your roundtable discussion 4. Brief description of topics you plan to include. The deadline for submitting proposals is January 2, 1998. Looking forward to hearing from you! .... Lori *********************************************************************** Lori Lathrop ---------->INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com Vice President/President-Elect, American Society of Indexers Lathrop Media Services, P.O. Box 3065, Idaho Springs, CO 80452 Office: 303-567-4447, ext. 28 / Fax: 303-567-9306 URL - http://idt.net/~lathro19 (note: that's a "nineteen" at the end) *********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 21:54:04 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "MAUREEN E. ADAMS" Subject: Indexing Videos I am a student at Concordia University in Montreal and I am majoring in Library Studies. This semester I took a course in indexing and abstracting. I have two questions to ask. 1. Does anyone have any info. on indexing videos or CD=ROM? 2.Can someone tell me what an under writer is? This is mentioned in a book on the Internet and it is in relation to IRT or Internet Takl Radio. I have been a subscriber to this list since September and it has helped me tremendously in my course. A friend of mine has told me that he may be starting a business and is looking for someone to index videos. Even if no one responds or can help me, I sure appreciate and would like to thank everyone who has posted messages on this list. Thanx Maureen ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:01:13 -0800 Reply-To: greenhou@erols.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "S. Greenhouse" Subject: Home-based careers and families In light of a recent side-thread on kids 'n indexing, I thought this might be of interest to some of us with office staffs still in elementary school (mine are 3 1/2 and 6 years old): >This week, Women's Connection Online, http://www.womenconnect.com, will >feature the following original content: > Thursday, 12/4: Business: A Parent's Guide to Home Business: How to > Raise a Family and A Career Under One Roof by Lisa M. Roberts > (Bookhaven Press) I've been to the Women's Connection site a few times, and have found some of the information presented worthwhile. Shelley Greenhouse greenhou@erols.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:13:25 -0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Liza Weinkove Subject: Re: Veterinary medicine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BCFFCB.CDE656C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I need some help from you fellow Index-l-ers, especially those of you = across the pond. I am indexing a veterinary book (emergency & critical = care) which is littered with acronyms, most of which I know, but one I = don't - SIRS. Does anyone know what it stands for? The book is written in American English, in note form and includes = references to animals involved in accidents with cars. What is the best = terminology for car accidents? In the UK I would use road traffic = accidents, or maybe motor vehicle accidents, but what about the US - = automobile accidents? I am strictly limited as to space, so may have to = restrict myself to one entry to cover this topic. Liza Stockport, England ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BCFFCB.CDE656C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I need some help from you fellow = Index-l-ers,=20 especially those of you across the pond. I am indexing a veterinary book = (emergency & critical care) which is littered with acronyms, most of = which I=20 know, but one I don't  - SIRS. Does anyone know what it stands=20 for?
 
The book is written in American = English, in note=20 form and includes references to animals involved in accidents with cars. = What is=20 the best terminology for car accidents? In the UK I would use road = traffic=20 accidents, or maybe motor vehicle accidents, but what about the US - = automobile=20 accidents? I am strictly limited as to space, so may have to restrict = myself to=20 one entry to cover this topic.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BCFFCB.CDE656C0-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:16:33 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: WordenDex@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Veterinary medicine Liza, Re animals in accidents with cars, if inverted main headings are ok, try "Accidents, Traffic" with detailed and noninverted subs, e.g., accidents, traffic amphibians, 40 animal injuries, 40-45 birds of prey, 41-43 carcass disposal, 38-39 deer, 27-32 insurance coverage, 25,45-46 reptiles, 40 roadkill, 25-39 small game, 25-26 It all depends on specific context. Diane in Kazoo ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:27:56 -0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Liza Weinkove Subject: Re: Veterinary medicine Firstly, may I apologise to the list for sending my previous message in HTML format? I have recently started using IE4 which seems to use HTML as the default setting, and I had no idea that it was likely to cause problems with index-l. I have now reset my software to plain text format. My original message read: Many thanks to Rollie Littlewood, for pointing out the HTML problem, and for suggesting that SIRS stands for systemic inflammatory response syndrome. That makes sense in the context in which it has been used. I shall have to speak to the publishers, as I have found yet more acronyms used without explanation. Liza Stockport, England ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:16:00 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Claudia Brave Subject: Re: Indexing Videos Maureen, You wrote: Does anyone have any info. on indexing videos or CD=ROM? I'm one of the Selections Librarians at CNN and we archive about 1300 news videotapes per week. For starters, I can tell you we use a controlled vocabulary and index both visuals and concepts, but we also have the option of searching full text. Basic index terms are added initially when a record is created for the tape. More detailed terms are added after a video logger describes the tape in full. Our database was specifically designed for our needs. We're about to hit 800,000 records which include raw footage, full programs (like Larry King Live), and reporter packages. There's limited access to our records (and other video archives') through Footage Net at: http://www.footage.net/ or you can get to CNN ImageSource's site directly at: http://www.cnnimagesource.com/ Though this isn't exactly how we view the records inhouse, you can get a good idea of what we do. I'll be glad to answer any specific questions you have about indexing videos. I've been lurking for the last few months since subscribing, but have learned a lot. I'm about to start the USDA course for a change of pace and continuing education. Thanks to the entire group for all your lively discussions! Claudia Brave CNN Library Claudia.Brave@turner.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 10:00:29 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: IndexJim@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Veterinary medicine In a message dated 97-12-03 04:16:53 EST, you write: << care) which is littered with acronyms, most of which I know, but one I = don't - SIRS. Does anyone know what it stands for? >> I checked this out on MEDLINE. SIRS=Systemic Inflammatory Response Syndrome Jim Pilarski Pilarski Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:12:31 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "MAUREEN E. ADAMS" Subject: Re: Indexing Videos In-Reply-To: <199712031421.JAA31952@alcor.concordia.ca> Thank you very much for your information. I'm sure it will be very helpful in the near future when the business that I will be working for is started and I will be working there. Thanx Again, Maureen On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Claudia Brave wrote: > Maureen, > > You wrote: Does anyone have any info. on indexing videos or CD=ROM? > > I'm one of the Selections Librarians at CNN and we archive about 1300 news > videotapes per week. For starters, I can tell you we use a controlled > vocabulary and index both visuals and concepts, but we also have the option of > searching full text. Basic index terms are added initially when a record is > created for the tape. More detailed terms are added after a video logger > describes the tape in full. Our database was specifically designed for our > needs. We're about to hit 800,000 records which include raw footage, full > programs (like Larry King Live), and reporter packages. > > There's limited access to our records (and other video archives') through > Footage Net at: > http://www.footage.net/ > > or you can get to CNN ImageSource's site directly at: > http://www.cnnimagesource.com/ > > Though this isn't exactly how we view the records inhouse, you can get a good > idea of what we do. I'll be glad to answer any specific questions you have > about indexing videos. > > I've been lurking for the last few months since subscribing, but have learned a > lot. I'm about to start the USDA course for a change of pace and continuing > education. Thanks to the entire group for all your lively discussions! > > Claudia Brave > CNN Library > Claudia.Brave@turner.com > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:27:36 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: KArrigoni2@AOL.COM Subject: Deleting entries in Frame document--followup & another question Hi All, I ended up calling Adobe to find out how to delete all entries in a Frame document and they told me to do the following: 1. Choose Find 2. Click "Marker of Type" Index 3. Leave the Change field blank 4. Click "Change all in" I also found the answer to another question I thought I'd pass along regarding book files and cross-platform compatibility. I work with both Mac and Windows Frame files and usually have no problems, but this time I was unable to open the book file no matter what I tried (the file was unreadable by Frame). The person at Adobe told me to: 1. Start Frame 2. Choose Open 3. Choose the Frame pop-up menu 4. Put an X in Select All 5. Open your file I guess sometimes Frame needs to be notified that yes, this is a Frame file. Anyway, I couldn't find this tidbit anywhere in the book or at the Adobe web site, so I thought I'd pass it along. Now I have another Frame question I can't find the answer to in the manual. Is there any way to get the See also entries to appear in the following format: entry1. See also entry2 subentry1 subentry2 Frame always wants to put the See also entry with the subentries. Thanks for any help, Karin Arrigoni ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:08:30 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Seth A. Maislin" Subject: Frame question In-Reply-To: KArrigoni2@aol.com "Deleting entries in Frame document--followup & another question" (Dec 3, 11:27am) Karin Arrigoni writes: > Now I have another Frame question I can't find the answer to in the > manual. Is there any way to get the See also entries to appear in the > following format: > > entry1. See also entry2 > subentry1 > subentry2 > > Frame always wants to put the See also entry with the subentries. I think this is simple enough, but I'm not positive. Simply create the cross reference just as you would a See cross reference: <$nopage>entry1. See also entry2 And your other entries will be the same: entry1:subentry1;entry1:subentry2 When they get combined, they should look like what you have above. Give it a try. - Seth -- Seth A. Maislin (seth@oreilly.com) <-- NOTE THE NEW DOMAIN O'Reilly & Associates Focus Publishing Services 90 Sherman Street 89 Grove Street Cambridge MA 02140 Watertown MA 02172-2826 (617) 499-7439 phone (617) 924-4428 (617) 661-1116 facsimile smaislin@world.std.com URL: http://www.oreilly.com/people/staff/seth <-- NEW DOMAIN Webmaster, Amer Soc of Indexers: http://www.well.com/user/asi ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:31:01 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "McCullough, Elizabeth W" Subject: Re: Index provides capsule biography I received this on a sailing-related listserv I'm on, and am reprinting it by permission of the author as an example of the potential of an index: Bourbaki was a leading French general >> during >> the Franco-Prussian War, in which the French were thoroughly >> humiliated. >> The flavor of his less than glorious performance can be obtained by >> perusing the index to Michael Howard's history of that war, which >> includes under Bourbaki's name entries for "demoralisation of troops >> of," "no proper liason with Garibaldi," "Freycinet urges Gambetta to >> replace," "Freycinet constrasts slowness of, with Prussian speed," >> "lack >> of supplies for forces of," "attempts suicide," "Freycinet replaces by >> Clinchant,". Elizabeth ___________________________________________ > -----Original Message----- > From: Seth A. Maislin [SMTP:seth@ORA.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 1:09 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Frame question > > Karin Arrigoni writes: > > > Now I have another Frame question I can't find the answer to in the > > manual. Is there any way to get the See also entries to appear in > the > > following format: > > > > entry1. See also entry2 > > subentry1 > > subentry2 > > > > Frame always wants to put the See also entry with the subentries. > > I think this is simple enough, but I'm not positive. Simply create the > cross reference just as you would a See cross reference: > > <$nopage>entry1. See also entry2 > > And your other entries will be the same: > > entry1:subentry1;entry1:subentry2 > > When they get combined, they should look like what you have above. > Give it > a try. > > - Seth > > -- > Seth A. Maislin (seth@oreilly.com) <-- NOTE THE NEW DOMAIN > > O'Reilly & Associates Focus Publishing Services > 90 Sherman Street 89 Grove Street > Cambridge MA 02140 Watertown MA 02172-2826 > (617) 499-7439 phone (617) 924-4428 > (617) 661-1116 facsimile smaislin@world.std.com > URL: http://www.oreilly.com/people/staff/seth <-- NEW DOMAIN > Webmaster, Amer Soc of Indexers: http://www.well.com/user/asi ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 13:35:04 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Joanne E. Clendenen" Organization: AfterWords Indexing Services Subject: Re: Index provides capsule biography In one of my recent indexes, one can discern the problems of the General who headed the Spanish troops in Cuba in 1898. I have a sub under his name called "strategic errors of", because there were so many. Take a look at some of your indexes after publication, if you dare, and you'll probably see other enlightening concentrations of concepts. Joanne -- AfterWords Indexing Services Joanne E. Clendenen email: jbclend@bigfoot.com http://www.flash.net/~jbclend ---------------- "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not any simpler." Einstein ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:25:06 -0600 Reply-To: bookend@theonramp.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Danzi Hernandez Subject: Re: Indexing Videos Does anyone have any info. on indexing videos or CD=ROM? Maureen, Do you mean learning to index by a video course? If so, look at Susan Holbert's web site at http://www.abbington.com/holbert/learn.html. She sells a video course. Susan Hernandez ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:16:44 -0700 Reply-To: masci@amug.org Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Diane Subject: Hello! Hi all! I just subscribed to the list. I'm Diane Masci, 27, and have three toddlies: DJ is almost 3, Tyler is 16 months, and Brent is 3 months. My family is pretty centered around literary works. My MIL writes Christian historical and romantic fiction, my dad was an investigative reporter for the AZ Republic before his death in '76, and my uncle wrote several books including "What Color is Your Parachute?" I'd like to write but indexing sounds more up my alley! I love to read, do puzzles, and research. My husband, Rick is a systems integration engineer (no idea what that is! ;D) and I used to teach computer classes. Now that I have 3 boys, I'd much rather work from home and be home with them. We're relocating from Phoenix, AZ to Long Island, NY in February. I would like to take an indexing class then but in the meantime I look forward to chatting and getting to kmow other indexers :) Regards, Diane ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:37:02 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "MAUREEN E. ADAMS" Subject: Re: Indexing Videos In-Reply-To: <199712032033.PAA05041@alcor.concordia.ca> Thanks for your information. I will check out the web page. Maureen On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Susan Danzi Hernandez wrote: > Does anyone have any info. on indexing videos or CD=ROM? > > Maureen, > Do you mean learning to index by a video course? If so, look at Susan > Holbert's web site at > http://www.abbington.com/holbert/learn.html. She sells a video course. > > > Susan Hernandez > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:53:26 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sindexer@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Veterinary medicine In both veterinary emergency medicine and emergency medicine in general I usually use "automobile accident" or "motor vehicle accident." In the ER's of hospitals in the US they always refer to MVA's (motor vehicle accidents). Sally Lawther ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 20:54:29 -0800 Reply-To: ottesen@ccis.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Susan O. Schionning" Organization: Micron Electronics, Inc. Subject: USDA Course Will someone who has taken, or is taking, the USDA basic indexing course tell me a little about it? For example: the length of the course, time spent completing it, difficulty, caliber of the material and feedback, usefulness, and any other pertinent information you can pass along. I would like to hear from someone who is taking the class now, and also from someone who has worked in the indexing field since finishing it. Thank you, Susan Schionning Ottesen@ccis.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 01:26:10 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Thomas P. Copley" Subject: ANNOUNCE> Winter Web Workshops Now Open Workshops on the World Wide Web (WWW) for the beginner and slightly more advanced user will be conducted monthly this winter by Arlington Courseware. Several sessions of each workshop are now open. Both are eight week distance-learning workshops conducted entirely by HTML mail.* MAKE THE LINK WORKSHOP: WORLD WIDE WEB FOR EVERYONE This workshop focuses on how to gain maximum advantage from the Web. It covers how to gain access to the WWW, linking to and interpreting URLs, distinguishing between different browsers, navigating and searching, organizing your bookmarks, designing your own home page with HTML and installing it on a server, utilizing principles of good Web design, and choosing between and using HTML editors. The cost is $20. For further information, see the Make the Link Workshop home page: http://www.bearfountain.com/arlington/links.html TUNE IN THE NET: GLOBAL REACH FOR THE 21st CENTURY This is the sequel to Make the Link, but may be taken independently by the more experienced beginner or intermediate user. It concentrates on Internet interactivity and assisting the more experienced user in making his or her Web pages into a standout interactive site. It covers prototyping Web pages with page generators and site builders, making HTML forms, using client-side image maps, customizing pages with frames and HTML 3.2, making content interactive with layers, dynamic HTML, Cascading Style Sheets (CSS), scripting with JavaScript, and utilizing push media, such as Netscape Netcaster and Microsoft Active Channels. The cost is $40. For additional information, see the Tune In the Net Workshop home page: http://www.bearfountain.com/arlington/tune.html The cost of both workshops taken together is $55. HOW TO SIGN UP Three Make the Link Workshops are scheduled for this winter: December Session December 1 - January 23 (Open enrollment period until 12/12) January Session January 5 - February 27 February Session February 2 - March 27 Three Tune In the Net Workshops are also scheduled: Session VII (December) December 1 - January 23 (Open enrollment period until 12/12) January Session January 5 - February 27 February Session February 2 - March 27 Sign up for ONE session of each workshop only unless you plan to take it more than once. To sign up, please send an e-mail message to the address: majordomo@arlington.com and in the body of the message, include the words: to subscribe to: ------------------ ---------------- subscribe links-dec the December session of Make the Link subscribe links-jan the January session of Make the Link subscribe links-feb the February session of Make the Link subscribe tune7 Session VII (Dec.) of Tune In the Net subscribe tune-jan the January session of Tune In the Net subscribe tune-feb the February session of Tune In the Net This will automatically put you on the mailing list for more information about each workshop, and you will receive an acknowledgment with the particulars about signing up, and unsubscribing, should you decide not to participate. If you have any difficulty with this procedure or fail to receive a response, please send e-mail to the address in the signature line. * A plain ASCII text version is also available. ________________________________________________________________ THOMAS P. COPLEY tcopley@arlington.com Tune In the Net Workshop www.bearfountain.com/arlington/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 08:42:25 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "McCullough, Elizabeth W" Subject: Re: USDA Course Susan, I'm taking it now. I think it's easy but time-consuming - lots of details to remember and double-check. But I've only turned in one lesson so far. I work full time and have two children, so it's a matter of finding time and making it a priority for myself. Elizabeth ___________________________________________ > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan O. Schionning [SMTP:ottesen@ccis.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 11:54 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: USDA Course > > Will someone who has taken, or is taking, the USDA basic indexing > course > tell me a little about it? For example: the length of the course, > time > spent completing it, difficulty, caliber of the material and feedback, > usefulness, and any other pertinent information you can pass along. > > I would like to hear from someone who is taking the class now, and > also > from someone who has worked in the indexing field since finishing it. > > Thank you, > > Susan Schionning > Ottesen@ccis.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 09:18:07 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marsha Lofthouse Subject: Re: USDA Course Susan, I'm taking the USDA course now and am on the third lesson. The course consists of 10 lessons plus a final exam. Each lesson (so far) has some required reading in addition to the assignment. The reading is from Nancy Mulvany's _Indexing Books_ and from the Indexing chapter of the _Chicago Manual of Style_, both of which are included with the course. The second lesson took me about 6-7 hours. We are supposed to keep track of time spent but I forgot to do so on the first lesson. I did some extra reading to get a feel for the information before completing the first lesson so it took me quite a bit of time but will save time later on. I think the caliber of the material is excellent and the difficulty is just challenging enough to make me feel that I'm learning a lot without getting frustrated. From what I've seen, I think it will be very useful. It not only includes indexing information but practical business information as well. For example, the first lesson includes an assignment to write a letter to a (fake) publisher relating why they should use professional indexers to index their books. If you are planning on indexing as a freelancer, this is very helpful. (I haven't looked at the other chapters to see if there is more of this type of assignment.) I think the feedback will depend on your instructor. I have only received one lesson back and had helpful comments. The only negative I can think of is the time it takes to get your lessons back. You can send them directly to your instructor when you finish, but then he or she must send them to USDA and USDA returns them to you; so it takes awhile. My instructor graded my first lesson within a few days of when she received it and then sent it on to USDA. But it took them about 3 weeks to get it back to me. Therefore it was about a 4 week turnaround time. I don't know if this is typical but I suspect it is. Bottom line: I recommend the course. Good luck! Marsha marsha_lofthouse@customer-insight.com ottesen@CCIS.COM on 12/03/97 09:54:29 PM Please respond to ottesen@ccis.com To: INDEX-L@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU cc: (bcc: Marsha Lofthouse/Customer Insight Company/US) Subject: USDA Course Will someone who has taken, or is taking, the USDA basic indexing course tell me a little about it? For example: the length of the course, time spent completing it, difficulty, caliber of the material and feedback, usefulness, and any other pertinent information you can pass along. I would like to hear from someone who is taking the class now, and also from someone who has worked in the indexing field since finishing it. Thank you, Susan Schionning Ottesen@ccis.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:24:56 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sue Healy Subject: Re: Veterinary medicine In-Reply-To: <199712040935.EAA18473@fn4.freenet.tlh.fl.us> Liza, In the U.S. animal's struck by cars are called "hit by cars." This is the vernacular as well as the term veterinarians and their staffs use. Vets even use it as a noun to refer to the animals themselves as in "we had a 'hit by car' come in late yesterday afternoon." Sue Healy (dog person and indexer) ********************************** Gingerwood Welsh Springer Spaniels s.healy@genie.com welshone@freenet.tlh.fl.us "A well-balanced Welsh has a title at both ends of its name!" ********************************** On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Liza Weinkove wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BCFFCB.CDE656C0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I need some help from you fellow Index-l-ers, especially those of you = > across the pond. I am indexing a veterinary book (emergency & critical = > care) which is littered with acronyms, most of which I know, but one I = > don't - SIRS. Does anyone know what it stands for? > > The book is written in American English, in note form and includes = > references to animals involved in accidents with cars. What is the best = > terminology for car accidents? 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> > ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BCFFCB.CDE656C0-- > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 11:42:03 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pmauer Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: USDA Course Hi Susan, > Will someone who has taken, or is taking, the USDA basic indexing course > tell me a little about it? For example: the length of the course, time > spent completing it, difficulty, caliber of the material and feedback, > usefulness, and any other pertinent information you can pass along. I took the Basic Indexing from the USDA Graduate School several years ago, and I highly recommend it. You have 1 year to complete the 10 lessons, which is a reasonable length of time, and the instructors are excellent. They are all practicing indexers with a lot of experience; I ve met several of them at ASI conferences (and many of them subscribe to this list). The course costs $286, which includes a workbook, the textbook, _Indexing Books_ by Nancy Mulvany, and a copy of the chapter on Indexes from The Chicago Manual of Style. By the time you finish this course, you ll know if you have the ability and interest to pursue indexing. The instructor will answer any questions that you ask about your aptitude for indexing. Of course, you can take the Applied Indexing course; I haven t taken it yet. The Basic Indexing course also gives you a lot of good advice and practice at starting an indexing business. It suggests rates for you to charge, how to interact with publishers, editors and authors, and how to set up a contract. I also highly recommend that you attend ASI chapter meetings and conferences; the seminars there are invaluable to indexers--whether you're just starting or have been in the field for many years. You may also want to look at the ASI www page, if you haven't already: http://www.well.com/user/asi/ I hope this helps. Best wishes! Peg Mauer | http://members.aol.com/Pmauer/index.html Communication Link | phone: (518) 359-8616 Indexing, Technical Writing | fax: (518) 359-8235 PO Box 192 | co-leader of Western NY ASI chapter Piercefield, NY 12973 | Manager of STC Indexing SIG ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:14:31 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: joyce greene Subject: USDA Indexing Course I have been in "Basic Indexing" since September and have completed lessons 1-6. I concur with the statements already made to this list about this course. My lessons 5 & 6 are waiting on my desk until I receive a response on lessons 3 & 4. I live in Germany, so it takes even longer than normal to receive mail. This situation is most irritating. Except for this feedback delay problem, this course is as close to an apprenticeship situation as I can get. The two books used for this course are invaluable for reference. They are "Indexing Books", by Nancy C. Mulvaney and "Indexes: A Chapter from The Chicago Manual of Style" (fourteenth edition). There is a second course offered by USDA called "Applied Indexing". This one follows the "Basic" course and is designed to "simulate the experience [of working as an indexer] as closely as possible, but in a learning environment", according to the catalog description. Index-L and the chats are great supplements to the USDA course. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 13:33:58 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ottie Young Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE> Winter Web Workshops Now Open Hi All, I first heard of these workshops here in INDEX-L, so I signed up for Mr. Copley's workshops in Nov 1997. I enrolled in both the links and tune6 workshops because I was impressed by the scope as outlined in the course descriptions. Since signing up I have received 2 links tutorials and 3 tune6 tutorials. My last tutorial was received on 11/17/97. I have emailed Thomas Copley several times requesting information about the missing tutorials and have received no response. (Well at least I now know he hasn't forgotten how to use email, especially when it is used to promote his workshops) Please forgive my biting remark. If others have taken Thomas Copley's workshops and have similar or dissimilar experiences, please express them. BTW, I am _still_ waiting for a response from you Mr. Copley. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:12:34 -0800 Reply-To: ottesen@ccis.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Susan O. Schionning" Organization: Micron Electronics, Inc. Subject: Hit by Cars I second Sue Healy's response about animals that are struck by automobiles. I worked for a veterinary hospital (in the US) for 2 years and we always used "hit-by-car" to describe, and refer to, the unfortunate victims. Susan Schionning Ottesen@ccis.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:49:13 -0800 Reply-To: ottesen@ccis.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Susan O. Schionning" Organization: Micron Electronics, Inc. Subject: USDA Indexing Course Comments: Thanks Thanks to all who so kindly replied to my query about the USDA course. In sum: The course is not too easy and not too difficult, turnaround on assignments is painfully slow, information on the business aspects of indexing is a bonus, and it is definitely worthwhile. Susan Schionning Ottesen@ccis.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:08:42 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lynn Moncrief Subject: Re: Deleting entries in Frame document--followup & another question In-Reply-To: <199712031632.IAA15285@mail-gw3.pacbell.net> Hi Karin, I appreciated your sharing the info you received from Adobe so much that I'm emerging from medically-induced lurkdom to post a reply to your question. (I'm saving your post, BTW.) You asked: >Now I have another Frame question I can't find the answer to in the >manual. Is there any way to get the See also entries to appear in the >following format: > >entry1. See also entry2 > subentry1 > subentry2 > >Frame always wants to put the See also entry with the subentries. The reason that Frame is putting your See also references as subentries is that you are typing a colon between your main entry and your subentry instead of a period and space. IOW, you're entering the See also reference in the same format that FrameMaker expects for any subentry. It is not because FrameMaker is smart enough to have *any* particular format for See also refs. In fact, FrameMaker as a program, doesn't really know what a See also or a See reference is. If it truly recognized cross-references, it would know how to merge targets automatically, would know to sort them at the beginning or end of the subentry list (instead of you having to force it to sort them there), would not have to be told *not* to include a page number, etc. The fact that you have to do all of this yourself is the clue that FrameMaker is totally brain-dead on this. Now, if you want to use this style, you're in for some tedious typing. (Are you *sure* you want to do this, rather than formatting the See also to sort as a subentry? ;-D) Type (in separate markers so that Frame will pick up the proper page number for each subentry): <$nopage>entry1. See also entry2 entry1. See also entry2:subentry1 entry1. See also entry2:subentry2 I know this looks really weird, but this is the only way to force Frame to merge these properly under "entry1. See also entry2", AFAIK. If you *don't* replicate the entire main entry including the See also ref before the colon, you'll end up with: entry1 subentry1 subentry2 entry1. See also entry2. Trust me on this. I've created this type of mess by mistake with See references that I later changed my mind about, deciding to retain the main entry and add subentries to it. The above mess is what appears in the index before deleting the marker containing the See reference. (Frame doesn't know the difference between See and See also references either, so the same thing will happen whether you type See or See also.) ;-D BTW, another drawback to the style you'd like to use is that you'll really start going crazy if you end up with more than one target in your cross reference. You will have to add it to main entry portion of every subentry you create for it, taking care to sort it properly, etc. Otherwise you'll really have a big unmerged mess on your hands. OTOH, if you create the See also reference as a <$nopage> subentry, you'll have to add targets to only one marker. (Be sure to add sorting info in square brackets after the entry in mainentry:aaa or mainentry:zzz format to force it to sort at the top or bottom of the list and not on the word "See".) Lynn ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:31:45 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Alan Walker Subject: Re: Hit by Cars At 06:12 PM 4/12/97 -0800, Susan Schionning wrote: >I second Sue Healy's response about animals that are struck by >automobiles. I worked for a veterinary hospital (in the US) for 2 years >and we always used "hit-by-car" to describe, and refer to, the >unfortunate victims. And I can provide some intercultural authority for the usage. When, after an accident some years ago, I took my dog to a vet in Ulladulla, on the south coast of New South Wales, Australia, the vet annotated his card: HBC. (The dog suffered no lasting ill-effects, and is now 16.) Alan **************************************************************** Alan Walker, Indexer President, Australian Society of Indexers 10 Rockwall Crescent, Potts Point, NSW, Australia 2011 Tel: +61 2 9368 0174 +61 2 9368 0176 Fax: +61 2 9358 5593 Email: alan.walker@s054.aone.net.au **************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:49:43 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: joyce greene Subject: British Society of Indexers I have found a web site for ASI and one for Australian Indexers, but is there such a thing for Indexers in the UK? Thanks. Joyce Greene ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 03:11:33 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paul Lightfoot Subject: Indexing Courses Don't forget the British Society of Indexers course "Training in Indexing". There are five open learning course units with test papers leading to Accreditation for members of the society. It's an excellent course, and would probably be more practical for indexers in Europe as fa= r as mail times etc. are concerned. Further information may be obtained from: = Society of Indexers Mermaid House 1 Mermaid Court London SE1 1HR England Sue Lightfoot ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:33:39 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin & Jennifer A. Broccoli" Subject: List server for writers Does anyone know of a list server for writers? If so, what is the E-mail address, and do you know how to subscribe? Kevin A. Broccoli ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:40:36 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Shuttleworth Subject: British Society of Indexers Joyce Greene asks: Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DP1301 Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: Re: Hit by Cars In a message dated 97-12-05 02:25:25 EST, you write: << When, after an accident some years ago, I took my dog to a vet in Ulladulla, on the south coast of New South Wales, Australia, the vet annotated his card: HBC. >> In an odd sort of nutshell, the above summarizes why I love this list. Here I am in an old row house in Baltimore, Maryland, USA, and I'm in the company of Alan who takes his dog into Ulladulla. That's a terrific place name and diminuitive enough to miss inclusion in Webster's Geographical Dictionary, but large enough to make it into the Natl. Geographic Atlas of the World. As those around me in the USA crank into a shopping frenzy for the upcoming holiday season, I'm grateful to to slow down and consider the landscape and people of Ulladulla. Glad your dog has lived to a ripe old age too. Deborah ==================== Deborah Patton, Indexer Baltimore, MD dp1301@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 01:29:52 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: USDA Indexing Course In-Reply-To: <199712050518.XAA14060@mixcom.mixcom.com> Susan, the only thing I'd like to add to what others have said is that the course had a bit too much emphasis on computer coding and not enough on textual analysis (choosing terms). But I agree with everything else: worthwhile course, slo-o-o-w turnaround time. I took the course 5 or 6 yrs. ago and, unfortunately, got very little feedback. (Because of that, I never took the second course.) But from what I've heard from many other indexers since then, things have very much improved. I still recommend the course to would-be indexers. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer http://www.mixweb.com/Roberts.Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:32:56 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "McCullough, Elizabeth W" Subject: Re: List server for writers DejaNews is the Alice's Restaurant of Internet Discussion Groups - you can get anything you want! Here's the URL: http://www.dejanews.com/ . Elizabeth ___________________________________________ > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin & Jennifer A. Broccoli [SMTP:nifkev@JUNO.COM] > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 1997 4:34 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: List server for writers > > Does anyone know of a list server for writers? If so, what is the > E-mail > address, and do you know how to subscribe? > > Kevin A. Broccoli ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:51:08 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kate McCain Subject: ISA 1994 Research Award winner DOCUMENTATION ABSTRACTS, INC. BOARD OF DIRECTORS NEWS RELEASE DATE: December 1, 1997 NEW YORK, N.Y., December 1 - The Documentation Abstracts, Inc. (DAI) Board of Directors is very pleased to announce the awarding of the 1997 Information Science Abstracts (ISA) Research Grant to the following applicant: Marilyn Domas White, Associate Professor, College of Library and Information Services, University of Maryland, for her project "The Literature of Information Ethics: An Assessment of Access" The ISA Research Grant currently of $1,500 is awarded annually to one or more information professionals to conduct a research project oriented toward the study of the primary or secondary literature of information science. Applicants for the ISA Research Grant must be information professionals and hold a graduate degree in library science or information science. No individuals who are associated with ISA are eligible. Doctors Bryce Allen (University of Missouri), Bert Boyce (Louisiana State University), Jessica Milstead (The JELEM Company), and David Raitt (Editor of THE ELECTRONIC LIBRARY) served on the award jury. The DAI Board of Directors very much appreciates the work of this jury. DAI is owner/sponsor of the monthly abstracting and indexing publication Information Science Abstracts. International in scope, ISA provides references to and abstracts of the useful literature in the fields of information and library science dating back to 1966. Its coverage extends to journal articles from over 400 journals, to conference proceedings, books, reports and other types of publications. The URL for the ISA web page is: http://www.cox.smu.edu/dai CONTACT: For further information, please contact Judith E. Watson, Vice-Chair of Documentation Abstracts, Inc. Chemical Abstracts Service P.O. Box 3012 Columbus, OH 43210 Phone: 614/447-3662 E-mail: jwatson@cas.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:52:25 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: Resent-From: Kate McCain Comments: Originally-From: Kate McCain From: Kate McCain Subject: Announcing the 1997 ISA Research Award winner DOCUMENTATION ABSTRACTS, INC. BOARD OF DIRECTORS NEWS RELEASE DATE: December 1, 1997 NEW YORK, N.Y., December 1 - The Documentation Abstracts, Inc. (DAI) Board of Directors is very pleased to announce the awarding of the 1997 Information Science Abstracts (ISA) Research Grant to the following applicant: Marilyn Domas White, Associate Professor, College of Library and Information Services, University of Maryland, for her project "The Literature of Information Ethics: An Assessment of Access" The ISA Research Grant currently of $1,500 is awarded annually to one or more information professionals to conduct a research project oriented toward the study of the primary or secondary literature of information science. Applicants for the ISA Research Grant must be information professionals and hold a graduate degree in library science or information science. No individuals who are associated with ISA are eligible. Doctors Bryce Allen (University of Missouri), Bert Boyce (Louisiana State University), Jessica Milstead (The JELEM Company), and David Raitt (Editor of THE ELECTRONIC LIBRARY) served on the award jury. The DAI Board of Directors very much appreciates the work of this jury. DAI is owner/sponsor of the monthly abstracting and indexing publication Information Science Abstracts. International in scope, ISA provides references to and abstracts of the useful literature in the fields of information and library science dating back to 1966. Its coverage extends to journal articles from over 400 journals, to conference proceedings, books, reports and other types of publications. The URL for the ISA web page is: http://www.cox.smu.edu/dai CONTACT: For further information, please contact Judith E. Watson, Vice-Chair of Documentation Abstracts, Inc. Chemical Abstracts Service P.O. Box 3012 Columbus, OH 43210 Phone: 614/447-3662 E-mail: jwatson@cas.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:44:51 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jean A. Thompson" Subject: Re: Thomas Copley Workshops Yes, I had a similar experience in the fall of 1996 when I took Make the Link. The course description said that for my $20 I could expect: "sixteen mailings consisting of tutorials, technotes, and digests. You will receive one tutorial weekly, as well as one or two additional mailings per week." I received 8 tutorials and 1 technote, or 9 mailings, not 16. I sent an e-mail to Mr. Copley asking about the other mailings to see if they hadn't reached me and to see when they would arrive. His reply indicated that I had received everything he'd sent out and that the rest would follow. I never heard from him again and received no other materials. I didn't do anything about it because the amount of money was so small. Good luck! I'm glad you spoke up. Perhaps I should have, too. ******************************************************************************** Jean A. Thompson PHONE: (518) 442-3628 Monographic Cataloger FAX: (518) 442-3630 University at Albany/SUNY University Library, B-35 E-MAIL: thompson@cnsvax.albany.edu 1400 Washington Avenue Albany, NY 12222 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:59:11 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Brackney Subject: rush charges I would like to know what other indexers who have done a fair number of rush jobs have come up with as a formula for figuring extra charges. TIA, Michael Brackney Indexing Service 134 Kathleen Way Grass Valley, CA 95945 916 272-7088 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:39:53 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE> Winter Web Workshops Now Open Dear Otto-- What's to forgive? Or are you attempting to be politically correct? If this is a scam, or if this clown is somehow too inept to live, I certainly appreciate the cautionary note from you. Particularly since I was considering signing up myself, AS WELL AS REPOSTING THE ANNOUNCEMENT TO MY FRIENDS. It will be interesting to follow developments. Cheers to all, dllt ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 21:25:28 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin & Jennifer A. Broccoli" Subject: Thanks to All Dawn: Thank you so much for such a long list of list-servs for writers. I really appreciate you digging that up for me. Thanks also to everyone who posted all of the reply's concerning my Web Site questions. Kevin A. Broccoli ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 07:22:45 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: joyce greene Subject: Virtual U Virtual U is offering a course called "HTML, Web Graphics & Web Page Design". This may be similar to the course that was mentioned here a few days ago that we're getting some feedback on. I haven't taken anything from these people before and wonder if anyone else has had any experience with them. The web site: Joyce Greene PS Thanks for the info on the indexing course from Society of Indexers! I'll be looking for the BSI web site as soon as it's up. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:07:56 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Elizabeth M. Moys" Subject: Re: British Society of Indexers In-Reply-To: <881308300.068830.0@listserv.cuny.edu> In message <881308300.068830.0@listserv.cuny.edu>, joyce greene writes >I have found a web site for ASI and one for Australian Indexers, but is >there such a thing for Indexers in the UK? > >Thanks. Joyce Greene Not yet, but it is on its way. Betty ==================================================================== Elizabeth M. Moys email: betty@moys.demon.co.uk Phone & Fax: +44 (0)1959-534530 Hengist, Badgers Road, Badgers Mount, Sevenoaks, Kent, TN14 7AT, England ==================================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 18:48:35 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: FrameMaker & other oddities Hello, all-- The current discussion about FrameMaker's quirks prompts me to add a comment about Microsoft Word. [Incidentally, has anyone told Bill Gates that his company's online Help files suck? Always have, still do.] When attempting to print a WordPerfect document on a colleague's machine running Win95 and Word97[?], the first appearance on the screen was all the WordPerf *encoding*, not the document itself. I thought, "This is strange; I've done this before with no trouble." After five minutes of slogging through hopelessly disorganized Help files I decided to go by instinct. Meaning: just keep pushing buttons until something happens. To open, and thereby CONVERT, a document written in some other format one must choose "File Types" in the Open dialog box, and then select in this case WordPerfect 6.0. This also assumes that YOU know in which format the document is written. Referring to "brain-dead" FrameMaker: My recollection of the behaviour of an earlier Word version is that the thing looks at the file, decides on its own what format sees, and then kindly opens the document for you. I am reminded of a charming German word, "schlimmbesserung" [sp?]: an improvement that makes things worse. Cheers, dllt ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 19:43:19 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Peter Rooney Subject: Re: rush charges You wrote: > >I would like to know what other indexers who have done a fair number of rush jobs have come up with as a formula for figuring extra charges. > >TIA, > >Michael > >Brackney Indexing Service >134 Kathleen Way >Grass Valley, CA 95945 >916 272-7088 > Try this: 1) Calculate the number of days the job would take if done at your normal speed of working. For example, suppose it's a 300-page book, which you could normally do in 3 weeks = 15 working days. Let's say you would normally charge $1000 for such a job. 2) Take the number of days that the publisher has actually allotted, let's say it's one week = 5 working days. 3) Divide figure #1 by figure #2 = l5 / 5 = 3. 4) Multiply the normal charge by figure #3. $1000 x 3 = $3000. That is, charge triple-time for the job. (!) The real point of surcharges is not to penalize the publisher, but to compensate yourself for 20-hour days. Also, rush jobs are actually more expensive to do in a number of ways: temp help, rush delivery charges, etc. I have actually gotten away with this kind of pricing. However, this may get a little scarey for your clients. There are other ways to handle these rush requests: 1) put on extra help. In this case, somehow divide the book into 3 lots: pp 1-100, pp. 101-200, and pp. 201-300. Or let the reading and marking be done by indexer A, the input by typist B, the proofing by proofreader C. 2) or figure what CAN be done in a week's time, and promise the editor only that. Example, "I can index all proper names, but no 'ideas' " 3) renegotiate the deadline. Often, I find, an index that I delivered as a rush job winds up sitting on the editor's desk for days, unedited. 4) cheerfully decline the job. ### ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 08:55:11 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Houda Araj Subject: embedding or tagging tool Good night, I am looking for an embedding or tagging tool that can help me to mark a text and create an index. I appreciate your help. Thank you Houda Araj