From: SMTP%"LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu" 25-NOV-1997 20:57:28.20 To: CIRJA02 CC: Subj: File: "INDEX-L LOG9710A" Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:31:36 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB (1.8a) Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9710A" To: CIRJA02@GSVMS1.CC.GASOU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:03:12 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Thomas P. Copley" Subject: ANNOUNCE> Two Fall Web Workshops Now Open Two workshops on the World Wide Web (WWW) for the beginner and slightly more advanced user will be conducted this fall by Arlington Courseware. Several sessions of each workshop are now open. Both are eight week distance-learning workshops conducted entirely by HTML mail.* MAKE THE LINK WORKSHOP: WORLD WIDE WEB FOR EVERYONE This workshop focuses on how to gain maximum advantage from the Web. It covers how to gain access to the WWW, linking to and interpreting URLs, distinguishing between different browsers, navigating and searching, organizing your bookmarks, designing your own home page with HTML and installing it on a server, utilizing principles of good Web design, and choosing between and using HTML editors. The cost is $20. For further information, see the Make the Link Workshop home page: http://www.bearfountain.com/arlington/links.html TUNE IN THE NET: GLOBAL REACH FOR THE 21st CENTURY This is the sequel to Make the Link, but may be taken independently by the more experienced beginner or intermediate user. It concentrates on Internet interactivity and assisting the more experienced user in making his or her Web pages into a standout interactive site. It covers prototyping Web pages with page generators and site builders, making HTML forms, using client-side image maps, customizing pages with frames and HTML 3.2, making content interactive with layers, dynamic HTML, Cascading Style Sheets (CSS), scripting with JavaScript, and utilizing push media, such as Netscape Netcaster and Microsoft Active Channels. The cost is $40. For additional information, see the Tune In the Net Workshop home page: http://www.bearfountain.com/arlington/tune.html The cost of both workshops taken together is $55. HOW TO SIGN UP Three Make the Link Workshops are scheduled for this fall: October Session September 29 - November 21 November Session November 3 - December 23 December Session December 1 - January 23 Three Tune In the Net Workshops are scheduled: Session V October 13 - December 6 Session VI November 3 - December 23 Session VII December 1 - January 23 Sign up for ONE session of each workshop only unless you plan to take it more than once. 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COPLEY tcopley@arlington.com Tune In the Net Workshop www.bearfountain.com/arlington/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:20:54 +0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Headley and Adrian Walker-Smith Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE> Two Fall Web Workshops Now Open >From Christine Headley The Copley announcement looks interesting. Has anyone experience of workshops run by this organisation? Is it likely to be worth doing? TIA Christine ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 06:32:53 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey Subject: A late limerick I offer this one without comment, except to say that no particular Sue is meant: new indexer Sue, 21 problems had with her indexing, 0 when things weren't going well she would _see_ INDEX-L which she used, 2, _see also_ for fun Jonathan. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:46:30 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: PilarW@AOL.COM Subject: sole proprietorship vs incorporation -- thanks Good morning again, everyone: Thanks for all the responses! The response has been overwhelmingly positive. --I guess I was looking for someone to tell me why I should ^not^ do it?! For all you who mentioned state differences, I live in Maryland (sounds like I made a good state selection there, Peg. do you know why Maryland is so popular for incorporation?). My consultant is a professional tax preparer/accountant (thanks for the advice to consult with a professional, Sharon!). He has mentioned both Subchapter S and C. From everyone's feedback, I'll go with S... I'll be sure to ask him about taxes on profits, though. The package he's offering me includes preparation of *all* paperwork as well as the application/filing. The yearly contract includes his handling all my quarterly (corporate) paperwork as well as the year-end returns. As I've just modified my hours down to match my kids' hours at school, I think I'll go with having him do it; that way I can spend more of my time indexing vs administrative/tax paperwork [I still have to get him all my receipts in order, etc. but that's all]. This might help me maintain my 'gross' now that my hours are somewhat shorter. I'm noticing the pinch on my time already. In fact, yesterday I was considering doing the application for incorporation myself. But I really just do not have the time! Anne -- you mentioned concern that you'd be tax-slaughtered once you started accepting freelance work. I really wouldn't worry about it. I've been doing freelance indexing full-time for a few years now (7?), and haven't found the tax slaughter that great. In fact, I thought I was doing pretty well ... and was rather dumbstruck when the consultant looked at my return and the first thing he said was that he could take a third off what I owed! Granted, I own a house and have 2 children + a husband, and pay my own health insurance, etc., but I've never found the tax to be that debilitating (the paperwork maybe, but not the $$). --best of luck to you. Thanks again, everyone. I *really* appreciate all the feedback! You guys have been a tremendous help. While I haven't been posting much lately (especially now that school started and having switched to digest mode a few months back), I do read the list and follow the discussions. This listserv is quite a boon to indexing. Bob, please give enormous hugs to Lynn. Here's hoping she's feeling better PRONTO. (she didn't get into this state because of that Cardio Index now, did she?!) May all our grins and virtual hugs help warm her prompt recovery. happy indexing all, Pilar ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------ L. Pilar Wyman * Wyman Indexing * PilarW@aol.com * http://members.aol.com/pilarw/web Committed to the readership that appreciates Great Books ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:43:24 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Larry Harrison Subject: sole proprietorship vs incorporation Pilar Wyman (PilarW@AOL.COM) wrote: ... > >As a full-time freelance indexer, which business status is better, sole >propietorship or incorporation? > ... Hi Pilar, Most people who ask this question are newbies, and I always say "don't even think about it" because it will cost them much more money and headache than the Schedule C route. I fear that too many tax consultants have an eye toward their own fee income when they recommend incorporation to self- employed people. Knowing that you are well-established makes it a more realistic concern. In other words, there is a break-even point of annual income beyond which you will indeed save more in taxes than the annual cost of keeping legal (official minutes of board meetings, corporate returns, payroll tax reports and so forth). If your tax person has been able to show you this with actual figures for your situation, and you have asked what ALL the annual costs and obligations are if you incorporate, then take her advice. Best of luck, Larry Harrison (larryh@millcomm.com) Tel: 507/280-0049 Freelance book indexing Rochester, Minnesota What's book indexing? ---> ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:15:47 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: KGarcia549@AOL.COM Subject: Re: NET*Working '97: Shaping the Online Learning Environment Interested in online indexing ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:25:32 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "D. C. Schroeder" Subject: Re: sole proprietorship vs incorporation Has anyone had any experience with Limited Libility Companies (LLC)? Is it worth considering? Dawn Schroeder The Perfect Page ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:49:00 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "John R. Sullivan" Subject: Help Technology Update conference I attended the Help Technology Update conference in Cambridge, MA, on Monday and Tuesday. This conference, which was sponsored by Winwriters and Solutions, presented the latest info on what's going on generally with on-line help and with Microsoft's HTML Help in particular. Jared Spool's presentation, entitled "HTML Design Research Update", included some tantalizing nuggets for anyone interested in indexing. Based on his company's research, in many cases the current search capabilities on the Web do nothing to help users find the information they're looking for. To quote Spool: "Searching s**ks...and is a poor substitute for indexing." He went on to state that Web site designers must have strong skills in information design and indexing, and that he expected to see a "resurgence of professional indexers." Sounds like good news to me! John R. Sullivan Senior Technical Writer Stratus Computer, Inc. Marlborough MA John_Sullivan@vos.stratus.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:17:37 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nancy K Humphreys Subject: feeling wretched I have to write that I feel wretched today. Often I give a rate without seeing the manuscript, and hope I don't get burned by something unexpecte= d. Last week I was contacted about doing a book of essays by different authors, so I thought I'd give the suggestion I've seen on Index-L to loo= k at a few pages first (to see if there was a lot of jargon and/or inconsistency of terms among different authors). Well, the ASI Indexer Services had the wrong fax number listed for me, and today I was informed= the publisher went with someone else. This is the last of series of thing= s like this that have happened to me, and I just feel bummed out! Can anyon= e give advice on what you do when in this state? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:33:52 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Shirley Edwards Subject: Re: feeling wretched In-Reply-To: <199710011620.MAA24913@cliff.nal.usda.gov> Hi, Nancy, Do as the character, Rhoda, from "The Mary Tylor Moore Show" did--go out on the balcony and scream. My day didn't begin so good either and although I feel like screaming, perhaps a walk would be better. Hope you're feeling better soon! Shirley On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Nancy K Humphreys wrote: > I have to write that I feel wretched today. Often I give a rate without > seeing the manuscript, and hope I don't get burned by something unexpecte= > d. > Last week I was contacted about doing a book of essays by different > authors, so I thought I'd give the suggestion I've seen on Index-L to loo= > k > at a few pages first (to see if there was a lot of jargon and/or > inconsistency of terms among different authors). Well, the ASI Indexer > Services had the wrong fax number listed for me, and today I was informed= > > the publisher went with someone else. This is the last of series of thing= > s > like this that have happened to me, and I just feel bummed out! Can anyon= > e > give advice on what you do when in this state? > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:08:36 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: sole proprietorship vs incorporation At 09:43 AM 10/1/97 -0500, Larry Harrison wrote: >Most people who ask this question are newbies, and I always say "don't even >think about it" because it will cost them much more money and headache than >the Schedule C route. Larry, this is my feeling as well. Unless and until you've reached an income plateau where it makes sense to start thinking about incorporation (of any variety), it's going to cost a lot more in money and time than it's worth to you. Ditto for LLCs, which somebody else asked about. One concern which seems to drive a lot of these queries is being sued...being liable in some devastatingly expensive way for errors or omissions or any other kind of problem. In our business, this is so extremely unlikely as to be practically impossible. It's usually new indexers who have these nightmares, and they are also the ones who seek out the safety of something like incorporation or an LLC to protect them. It's far more likely that you will be involved in an auto accident, a dog-biting incident, or some other non-business fracas that could lead to losing your life savings or your home in a suit...than that you will be sued into oblivion over a $1500 index. The worst thing I can imagine happening to me, supposing that I had produced a really wretched, error-filled index, is that I would have to forfeit my fee. I can live with that concern, especially since after over 20 years in the business it's never happened yet (and is extremely unlikely to). That said, however, the idea of incorporation IS beginning to look good to me, because I've gotten to that income plateau we're talking about where the tradeoff in fees and time might be worth it. Plus, my tax preparer is also a close frient with whom I trade work, so I won't have to pay the usual going rate for his assistance. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:08:34 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: feeling wretched Nancy, you sure had a lousy day! But cheer up. There will be other clients and other indexes for sure. I discovered that the Indexer Locator had the wrong email address for me--not as serious as the wrong fax number, but annoying nonetheless. If I do get contacted by a new client who has found me in that listing, I'll be sure to mention the CORRECT email address and have him/her mark it in the book. I also plan to write or call ASI with a correction...not that there's much they can do at this point. If you haven't already called your prospective client to inform them of the error, do so right away, apologize for the mixup, and tell them you'd very much like to be considered for other upcoming indexing projects. You didn't give a lot of details about this, but if they had your correct voice number (which they probably did, as I assume they called you about this job), I'm surprised they didn't call you back on your voice line when the fax number didn't work right, and get the confusion settled right away. In other words, not only is this not your fault, but it seems to me the client didn't handle the situation very well anyway. I hope you're feeling a bit better by now... =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:15:40 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sharon Wright Subject: feeling wretched -Reply Hot bath, by candlelight, with Eric Clapton playing loudly in the next room. It's amazing how much better listening to the blues will make you feel when you're down! I particularly like "Nobody Knows You When You're Down and Out"-- the ultimate self-pity song! Boy, have I been there! Good luck, and hope you feel better! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:19:36 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Helen Schinske Subject: PNW indexers mtg -- carpool Is anyone going to the PNW/ASI meeting (in Olympia on Sat. 4 Oct.) from north Seattle? I am in Ballard and would not mind taking the bus to meet you, but taking the bus to Olympia is something I'd sooner avoid. Should it come down to that, though, does anyone know off-hand where the bus station in Olympia is, in relation to the meeting place (1525 Washington St. NE)? Helen Schinske (between cars :( ) HSchinske@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:30:16 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cynthia Bertelsen Subject: Re: feeling wretched It is a good idea when a publisher calls to confirm your fax number or whatever with them before you hang up, if you are arranging to have a fax sent. Also, if you don't get pages soon, it doesn't hurt to call and follow up. Always get a phone number from the person who is calling you. The above advice is for the next time. Right now, I would just scream, as someone else suggested! The other thing is to think that maybe something better will come along tomorrow and you were lucky to have the previous possibility fall through. At 12:17 PM 10/1/97 -0400, Nancy K Humphreys wrote: >I have to write that I feel wretched today. Often I give a rate without >seeing the manuscript, and hope I don't get burned by something unexpecte= >d. >Last week I was contacted about doing a book of essays by different >authors, so I thought I'd give the suggestion I've seen on Index-L to loo= >k >at a few pages first (to see if there was a lot of jargon and/or >inconsistency of terms among different authors). Well, the ASI Indexer >Services had the wrong fax number listed for me, and today I was informed= > >the publisher went with someone else. This is the last of series of thing= >s >like this that have happened to me, and I just feel bummed out! Can anyon= >e >give advice on what you do when in this state? > > ***************************************** Cynthia D. Bertelsen--Indexer cbertel@usit.net Web page: http://www.vt.edu:10021/B/bertel/ndx.html ***************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:04:51 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Elsa F. Kramer" Subject: Re: sole proprietorship vs incorporation In-Reply-To: <199710011711.MAA27700@beavis.inetdirect.net> >One concern which seems to drive a lot of these queries is being >sued...being liable in some devastatingly expensive way for errors or >omissions or any other kind of problem. My business insurance policy covers errors and omission. Elsa Kramer Indianapolis ............................................................................... . . Whatever games are played with us, we must play no games with ourselves, but deal in our privacy with the last honesty and truth. --Ralph Waldo Emerson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:00:13 LCL Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Diana Witt Subject: contractor status To all: I am concerned about a form I am being asked to complete for one of my biggest clients. It's called a determination of status form, and along with the form they want "proof" of my status as an independent contractor. The "proof" they are requiring is supposed to include a: Business license, sales tax registration number, and/or copies of Schedule C and 1099 forms from other vendors. I thought this stuff was private. I don't particularly want one client to know who my other clients are, and I also don't see why they need to know what I earn as a freelancer. Do I have to supply this? They're saying they won't pay freelancers who don't supply the information. Any thoughts? Thanks. Diana Witt (dlwitt@usa.net) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:06:21 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Elsa F. Kramer" Subject: Re: feeling wretched In-Reply-To: <199710011721.MAA28466@beavis.inetdirect.net> Sounds like ASI might want to hire some of its own as proofreaders! : ) Elsa Kramer Indianapolis ............................................................................... . . Whatever games are played with us, we must play no games with ourselves, but deal in our privacy with the last honesty and truth. --Ralph Waldo Emerson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:26:44 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: contractor status In a message dated 97-10-01 14:18:49 EDT, you write: << Do I have to supply this? They're saying they won't pay freelancers who don't supply the information. Any thoughts? >> Diana, My thoughts? There are other fish in the pond. I've never been asked for that type of material, and I'd never send it, either. I would simply state my position and look for other clients if that's what I have to do. My privacy is important. And ... most of all ........ I'm a professional. I don't feel I have to prove my legal status or creditworthiness to a potential client. I'd sign a statement that I'm a sole proprietor and sole contractor. Yes, that'd I'd do. But no more. Janet ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:34:39 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: sole proprietorship vs incorporation At 01:04 PM 10/1/97 -0500, Elsa F. Kramer wrote: >My business insurance policy covers errors and omission. Any standard E&O policy ought to be more than enough to cover whatever problems an indexer might have...and some of us feel even that amount of protection isn't really necessary. But the scenario that seems to concern many people (unnecessarily, IMO) is the "losing my life savings and my house" situation. Business insurance will not keep a determined litigant from coming after any and every source of money you may have. In the extremely unlikely event that you are sued for, say, $100,000 and your policy limit is $50,000, the plaintiff can attach your bank account, put a lien on your home, repossess your computer, or take other similar actions to recover the remaining loss. (Unsavory folks also are known to find out just what insurance you DO have, and sue right up to that limit...even if their actual loss is much less.) My husband is an architect who is VERY open to suits from disgruntled contractors, homeowners, and anybody else who might suffer consequential damages from some error he has made. Some of these suits are in the millions...there's no way we could afford to buy enough insurance to offer complete protection from something like that. So we buy what we can afford and self-insure for the remaining risk. Even incorporation or LLC status doesn't offer 100% complete protection from a serious suit for malpractice of some sort. A litigant can "pierce the corporate veil" and get to your personal possessions if he or she can show a compelling reason to do so. It's unlikely, but possible. IMO we each have to decide how much risk we are willing to assume on our own, how much E&O insurance we can afford (or want to spend the money on), and whether we really need the additional protection that incorporation or LLC status may offer. Since my indexing work does not involve the life, health, or safety of any of my clients, and since the greatest loss I foresee ever facing is having to pay back an indexing fee, I've decided to self-insure for that specific risk and put my money elsewhere. As they say, your mileage may vary...your sense of risk may be different, you may have more to lose, and so on. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:40:54 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Janet Russell Subject: Re: sole proprietorship vs incorporation << >One concern which seems to drive a lot of these queries is being >sued...being liable in some devastatingly expensive way for errors or >omissions or any other kind of problem. My business insurance policy covers errors and omission. >> This is really a question for a lawyer or insurance specialist, but a recent article in my local newspaper explained that "errors and omission" referred not to mistakes that the policy holder might make, but to gaps in the main part of the policy. For example (as I understood it), if your flood insurance policy excludes human-caused floods like a sewer backing up, an additional errors and omissions rider could cover it. Janet Russell ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:53:01 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: sole proprietorship vs incorporation At 02:40 PM 10/1/97 -0400, Janet Russell wrote: >This is really a question for a lawyer or insurance specialist, but a recent >article in my local newspaper explained that "errors and omission" referred >not to mistakes that the policy holder might make, but to gaps in the main >part of the policy. For example (as I understood it), if your flood >insurance policy excludes human-caused floods like a sewer backing up, an >additional errors and omissions rider could cover it. Well, I'm NOT a lawyer or an insurance specialist, but E&O insurance, in the vernacular of business that I am familiar with, has always meant insurance against mistakes you might make (not against deliberate malfeasance, of course). Could the misunderstanding involve terminology and not intent? For instance, I know that there is such a thing as "Medi-gap insurance," which covers what MediCare doesn't. Maybe there is another kind of "gap" policy (like an umbrella policy) that covers what normal business insurance does not. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:53:03 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: contractor status At 02:26 PM 10/1/97 -0400, JPerlman@AOL.COM wrote: >My thoughts? There are other fish in the pond. I've never been asked for >that type of material, and I'd never send it, either. I would simply state >my position and look for other clients if that's what I have to do. My >privacy is important. And ... most of all ........ I'm a professional. I >don't feel I have to prove my legal status or creditworthiness to a potential >client. I'd sign a statement that I'm a sole proprietor and sole contractor. > Yes, that'd I'd do. But no more. I'm with you, Janet. I've never been asked anything more than to provide a Social Security number or EIN to "prove" my status. I can't see what the justification is for this sort of intrusive request. If the company is concerned that it might be forced to consider you an employee rather than an IC, then it is up to them to keep their relationship strictly on an IC basis. The IRS has that handy list of 20 or 25 signposts about what is regarded as employee behavior and what is regarded as IC status, and the company can protect itself by adherence to those guidelines. What your relationship is with any OTHER company is none of their business. And they certainly have no right or need to know what is on your Schedule C or whether or not you have a business license! =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:59:29 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sharon Wright Subject: contractor status -Reply Diana, do they owe you money at the moment? Are they withholding payment for work you've already completed until they get this form or is this for future reference? If they are making this demand after you have already done the work, that's another matter, and one that may involve legal action! Either way, I would not be in the least inclined to supply this information. They are not entitled to it. I would call and try to work something out before blowing off a big client, but I would demand an explanation as to why they needed such personal information from someone who is, by their own admission, not their employee. And I would firmly refuse to supply that information. Sounds like they're trying to scope out the competition and determine whether they're paying too much for their contracted services! Keep in mind that I am not, nor was I ever, a business or corporate attorney. Don't take this as legal advice! (In case you're wondering, I'm required by the Code of Ethics to point that out, I'm not trying to show off my law degree! Insert your own lawyer/ethics joke here...) :-) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:13:08 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Re: contractor status In Washington State, at least, we're supposed to have copies of our business licenses posted. So I would have no problem providing that number. But the others? None of their business! Carolyn Weaver Weaver Indexing Services In a message dated 97-10-01 14:19:00 EDT, you write: << The "proof" they are requiring is supposed to include a: Business license, sales tax registration number, and/or copies of Schedule C and 1099 forms from other vendors. >> ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:41:00 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Elsa F. Kramer" Subject: Re: sole proprietorship vs incorporation In-Reply-To: <199710011859.NAA07018@beavis.inetdirect.net> >At 02:40 PM 10/1/97 -0400, Janet Russell wrote: > >>This is really a question for a lawyer or insurance specialist, but a recent >>article in my local newspaper explained that "errors and omission" referred >>not to mistakes that the policy holder might make, but to gaps in the main >>part of the policy. For example (as I understood it), if your flood >>insurance policy excludes human-caused floods like a sewer backing up, an >>additional errors and omissions rider could cover it. > >Well, I'm NOT a lawyer or an insurance specialist, but E&O insurance, in the >vernacular of business that I am familiar with, has always meant insurance >against mistakes you might make (not against deliberate malfeasance, of >course). > That's what I was referring to in my previous comment. My coverage is for printer's/publisher's errors and omissions -- inadvertently leaving something out of an advertisement, for example. Elsa Kramer Indianapolis ............................................................................... . . Whatever games are played with us, we must play no games with ourselves, but deal in our privacy with the last honesty and truth. --Ralph Waldo Emerson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:47:58 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Elsa F. Kramer" Subject: Re: contractor status In-Reply-To: <199710011900.OAA07073@beavis.inetdirect.net> >I can't see what the justification is for this sort of intrusive request. If >the company is concerned that it might be forced to consider you an employee >rather than an IC, then it is up to them to keep their relationship strictly >on an IC basis. The IRS has that handy list of 20 or 25 signposts about what >is regarded as employee behavior and what is regarded as IC status, and the >company can protect itself by adherence to those guidelines. What your >relationship is with any OTHER company is none of their business. And they >certainly have no right or need to know what is on your Schedule C or >whether or not you have a business license! > > =Sonsie= There are some legitimate business reasons for this, and one of them is to make sure that the contractor is not a shareholder of your company or a subsidiary, which would violate IC status. This may sound farfetched, but given the way the publishing world has consolidated in the past 20 years, it's not impossible to think that, if you are an investor in any public companies, you might have this conflict come up. Let's say, for example, that you bought and have stubbornly held onto some Apple Computer stock, and some day, after Bill Gates has eaten the company up and spit out the seeds, Microsoft asks you to index Windows '99. If Microsoft owns Apple and you own Apple stock, you can't be paid as an IC. Elsa Kramer Indianapolis ............................................................................... . . Whatever games are played with us, we must play no games with ourselves, but deal in our privacy with the last honesty and truth. --Ralph Waldo Emerson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:46:31 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Judy Garrison Subject: Indexing software I am new to the list and would like to ask you for some advice. I am a law librarian at St. Mary's Univ. in San Antonio, TX and I have been asked to index about 14 years worth of a university magazine published by the Public Relations Dept. for alumni, faculty and staff. I have been looking around the Internet for indexing software and have identified three software programs: Sky Index for Windows, Cindex, and wIndex. Has anyone used one of these programs and if so, would you recommend it? Does anyone know any other software programs which would be appropriate for this use? Please reply to me directly rather than to the list, unless you think the list would be interested. Thanks for your help. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:59:31 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sharon Wright Subject: Re: contractor status -Reply >>> Elsa F. Kramer 10/01/97 03:47pm >>> There are some legitimate business reasons for this, and one of them is to make sure that the contractor is not a shareholder of your company or a subsidiary, which would violate IC status. This may sound farfetched, but given the way the publishing world has consolidated in the past 20 years, it's not impossible to think that, if you are an investor in any public companies, you might have this conflict come up. Let's say, for example, that you bought and have stubbornly held onto some Apple Computer stock, and some day, after Bill Gates has eaten the company up and spit out the seeds, Microsoft asks you to index Windows '99. If Microsoft owns Apple and you own Apple stock, you can't be paid as an IC. There are still less intrusive ways to get this information. No independent contractor should freely distribute such private information to their customers. Again, this is a problem for the client, not the contractor. The client could send out a statement that they could require their IC's to sign-- even have notarized-- swearing that they are who they say they are, they are legitimately in business, and that they do not own stock in any of the following corporations... yadda, yadda, yadda. I still don't think it's a good idea to send 1099's from one client to another one. Business license numbers, etc. are fine. Tax info is not. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:50:41 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Shirley K Warkentin Subject: Re: USDA Course I completed the USDA course a year and a half ago. I tried to finish it as fast as possible and it took me six months. A lot of time time is spent waiting for your lesson to be graded (3-4 weeks). I also highly recommend the course. Shirley Warkentin Cornerstone Indexing indexer@juno.com On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:55:39 -0500 "Elsa F. Kramer" writes: >>Steven, >> >>You're definitely taking the right steps by reading those books and >>practicing. The USDA coorespondence course on Basic Indexing is not >>mandatory, but I have taken it and I *highly* recommend it. At $286 >for an > >Anyone have an opinion about how long it should really take to >complete the >course, or is one year the norm? > >Elsa Kramer >Indianapolis >............................................................................ >..... >Whatever games are played with us, >we must play no games with ourselves, >but deal in our privacy with the last honesty and truth. > --Ralph Waldo Emerson > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:45:23 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: contractor status At 03:13 PM 10/1/97 -0400, Carolyn Weaver wrote: >In Washington State, at least, we're supposed to have copies of our business >licenses posted. So I would have no problem providing that number. But the >others? None of their business! Good point, Carolyn. I'm supposed to post my business license as well--which I do. It's right on the wall next to the light switch! :-) I wouldn't mind providing a business license number, I suppose, but copies of my Schedule C? NO WAY. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:45:25 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: contractor status At 02:47 PM 10/1/97 -0500, Elsa F. Kramer wrote: >There are some legitimate business reasons for this, and one of them is to >make sure that the contractor is not a shareholder of your company or a >subsidiary, which would violate IC status. Elsa, I've been a pretty serious student of the IRS independent contractor rules for a number of years, as this issue has been of great importance to all of us who have our own businesses. In all that time, I've never seen reference to the idea that owning stock in a company invalidates your standing as an IC. In fact, I'm sure several of us own mutual funds, which in turn own stock in hundreds of companies, and we have no idea of what, specific company stocks we own from day to day. I'd like to learn more about this. Could you give us some reference pointers or information that explains these stock-owning rules? I'm baffled. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:10:18 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Julie Knoeller Subject: Indexing in California Hi all, I recently relocated to CA, and have a concern that has come out of the independent contractor thread. You've mentioned business licenses and sales tax -- as a contractor (1099) in Wisconsin I was not required to have a business license nor was I required to pay sales tax. Is that different in CA? Obviously, I will consult a CPA, but since I have done no work in CA yet I was hoping I could first benefit from the wealth of experience attached to this list. Thanks for any commments, Julie Knoeller ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:20:14 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sanindex@AOL.COM Subject: Re: contractor status I remember having someone ask me for private information a year or so ago. I think I simply put NA in the blanks and that was the end of it. I don't think that it cost me the client, but it has been some time. It seems like it was accounting that wanted this information and it was somewhat of a power struggle between production and accounting. I think that I first threw the form away, but as I had a project in house, when I submitted the invoice, I was told that I had to send in the form as well. When I told them I had destroyed it, they faxed me a new one, which I filled out with the NAs. Sandi Schroeder ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:20:05 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: Indexing in California At 02:10 PM 10/1/97 -0700, Julie Knoeller wrote: >You've mentioned business licenses and sales tax -- as a contractor >(1099) in Wisconsin I was not required to have a business license nor >was I required to pay sales tax. Is that different in CA? Obviously, I >will consult a CPA, but since I have done no work in CA yet I was hoping >I could first benefit from the wealth of experience attached to this >list. Julie, my understanding of the sales tax situation is that providers of professional services (such as ourselves) do not have to pay sales tax on those services. It's rather a complex issue, but I've checked it out with the State Board of Equalization and assured myself that, in my capacity as an editor/indexer, I do not have to collect or pay state sales tax. (When I do graphic design, it's even more complex and in some cases I may be required to get involved with sales tax because I am providing a tangible product.) As far as a business license goes, that is a local issue, not a statewide one. Contact your city or county clerk and ask about three things: a home occupancy permit (assuming that you are working out of your home), a business license, and a DBA (Doing Business As) statement if you are using a company name other than your own personal name. The clerk should be able to give you all the pertinent information. In my area, I pay $25 a year for a business license, my home office permit is free of yearly charges (though I think I paid a small fee to obtain it ten years ago), and the DBA cost me about $35, including publication in the local newspaper. The DBA has to be renewed every several years; the business license is a yearly issue. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:18:05 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lindsay Gower Subject: Re: Indexing in California At 02:10 PM 10/1/97 -0700, Julie wrote: >Hi all, > >I recently relocated to CA, and have a concern that has come out of the >independent contractor thread. > I did contract work here in CA -- in '96 and '97 -- and just used my SS#. Everyone seemed happy about that -- me, my contractees, and the IRS. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Lindsay Gower | email: lindsay@persistence.com Technical Writer | phone: 1.650.372.3606 Persistence Software Inc. | fax: 1.650.341.8432 1720 S. Amphlett Blvd., Suite 300 | http://www.persistence.com San Mateo, CA USA 94402 | ---------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:49:14 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Anne Taylor Subject: Re: "See Also" Hyperlinks At 02:19 PM 9/30/97 -0700, you wrote: >Dear Fellow Indexers: > >I'm puzzling out how to provide "see also" links in Web documents. > >We have our reference manuals on-line now and are trying to plan ahead >(what a concept!) to put user manuals up as well. If any of you have done >this, particularly in FrameMaker, I'd appreciate hearing if you used "see >also" and how you managed it. > >TIA! -- LG Unless I'm severely misunderstanding the question, you can set up a document with internal links. It requires that you assign names to entries within your document, but it's usually worth the effort. Some html software will, in fact, do this for you, (HotDog is one of the least aggravating.) Take a look at: http://www.umsl.edu/~libweb/sguides/bioba.htm The example is simplistic, but it is set up to jump you about in the text. If you view the document source, the coding is visible. Let me know if this is fits what you trying to set up. Anne Anne Cleester Taylor University of Missouri-St. Louis Thomas Jefferson Library Reference sactayl@umslvma.umsl.edu http://www.umsl.edu/~ataylor ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:55:04 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: TShere7566@AOL.COM Subject: Published indexes Since I've just been looking at my first index in its published incarnation : ), I want to raise a topic I haven't seen discussed on index-l before. Do you freelancers out there read through the published versions of your indexes carefully? When there are mistakes, do you ever bring them to the publisher's attention so they could be corrected in a later printing? Does it matter if a mistake is one you made or one the publisher introduced? Or do you just wash your hands of it once you send it off and receive your check? Just wondering-- Therese Shere ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:55:44 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Peg Mauer Subject: Indexer Services errors In a message dated 97-10-01 13:18:37 EDT, you write: > I discovered that the Indexer Locator had the wrong email address for > me--not as serious as the wrong fax number, but annoying nonetheless. OK, I have an idea. Let's all pull out our Indexer Services from June of 1997 and check our entries closely. If you discover an error in your listing, post the *correct* info here, and copy in the ASI office (asi@well.sf.ca.us). That way, we can all correct our copies, and ASI will be notified. I'm sure that they'll want to include the corrections in the next version. Peg Mauer | http://members.aol.com/Pmauer/index.html Communication Link | phone: (518) 359-8616 Indexing, Technical Writing | fax: (518) 359-8235 PO Box 192 | co-leader of Western NY ASI chapter Piercefield, NY 12973 | Manager of STC Indexing SIG ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:05:26 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Elsa F. Kramer" Subject: Re: contractor status In-Reply-To: <199710012050.PAA17159@beavis.inetdirect.net> >Elsa, I've been a pretty serious student of the IRS independent contractor >rules for a number of years, as this issue has been of great importance to >all of us who have our own businesses. In all that time, I've never seen >reference to the idea that owning stock in a company invalidates your >standing as an IC. In fact, I'm sure several of us own mutual funds, which >in turn own stock in hundreds of companies, and we have no idea of what, >specific company stocks we own from day to day. >I'd like to learn more about this. Could you give us some reference pointers >or information that explains these stock-owning rules? I'm baffled. Yes, I'll try to send you some Internet references in a short while. I am an independent contractor, an S corporation shareholder, the chief financial officer of that S corporation, a mutual funds investor, and a freelance writer on corporate law and taxation issues, and all this stuff still boggles my mind. The outside CPA I use to audit my own work was the one who first warned me of this possible conflict, but I think she was referring to controlling or voting stock rather than common shares, so the example I gave wasn't a good one. The likelihood of this conflict coming up is slim for most indexers, I'm sure. > This might be a better example: A librarian who worked for our daily newspaper also owned voting shares in the paper's parent company, which is publicly traded. When she took early retirement, she was asked to continue cataloging on a freelance basis. To do so, as an IC, she had to sell her stock. Apparently, the IRS regards a payment to a shareholder as an IC a tax dodge to avoid Social Security matching payments. Elsa Kramer Indianapolis ............................................................................... . . Whatever games are played with us, we must play no games with ourselves, but deal in our privacy with the last honesty and truth. --Ralph Waldo Emerson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:51:55 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Published indexes In a message dated 97-10-01 17:55:43 EDT, you write: << Do you freelancers out there read through the published versions of your indexes carefully? >> Therese, I very rarely get to see the published version of my indexes. I don't routinely receive copies of the books. Publishers aren't that quick to give/send them out. And I would be overrun with books anyway. If a book is interesting, or if the index was particularly challenging to do, I request a copy of the book. Even then, it often takes reminders to actually get the copy. So ..... there isn't an opportunity to see the published version. Since I work on heavy science and engineering books, they aren't available in local libraries or bookstores. I often think I'm just as glad not to see them. I know I sent in a good index. I don't necessarily want to see what happened to it after that. Janet Perlman Southwest Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:16:19 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: Published indexes At 05:55 PM 10/1/97 -0400, TShere7566@AOL.COM wrote: >Since I've just been looking at my first index in its published incarnation : >), I want to raise a topic I haven't seen discussed on index-l before. Do you >freelancers out there read through the published versions of your indexes >carefully? When there are mistakes, do you ever bring them to the publisher's >attention so they could be corrected in a later printing? Does it matter if a >mistake is one you made or one the publisher introduced? Or do you just wash >your hands of it once you send it off and receive your check? Most of the books I do are textbooks, and only maybe half the publishers (or less) actually send me a copy of the book. Without that, it would be virtually impossible to check the final index. Even when I do get a copy of the book, I usually give the index only a cursory glance for real obvious errors. The only way to actually test an index is by using it, and the best person for that is the student who buys the book. I routinely ask for corrections from the publisher when the new edition rolls around...and sometimes they actually have a file of additions or changes they would like to see (submitted, usually, by professors who assign the book or their students). =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:16:21 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: contractor status At 05:05 PM 10/1/97 -0500, Elsa F. Kramer wrote: >Yes, I'll try to send you some Internet references in a short while. I am >an independent contractor, an S corporation shareholder, the chief >financial officer of that S corporation, a mutual funds investor, and a >freelance writer on corporate law and taxation issues, and all this stuff >still boggles my mind. The outside CPA I use to audit my own work was the >one who first warned me of this possible conflict, but I think she was >referring to controlling or voting stock rather than common shares, so the >example I gave wasn't a good one. The likelihood of this conflict coming >up is slim for most indexers, I'm sure. One of my largest indexing jobs every year is West's _Federal Taxation_, and after working on this project for at least the last seven years, I know what you mean about "baffling"! :-) (When I am wearing one of my other hats, I help an E.A. prepare tax returns for small proprietorships toward the end of tax season every year. This has never come up in that situation, either...more bafflement.) I specifically recall, from past editions, something about payments to shareholders being examined much more carefully than regular paychecks, but it wasn't in the context of independent contractors...more along the lines of attempts to hide income. >This might be a better example: A librarian who worked for our daily >newspaper also owned voting shares in the paper's parent company, which is >publicly traded. When she took early retirement, she was asked to continue >cataloging on a freelance basis. To do so, as an IC, she had to sell her >stock. Apparently, the IRS regards a payment to a shareholder as an IC a >tax dodge to avoid Social Security matching payments. Aren't common stocks "voting stock" as well? This example sounds more likely, but I'm still not getting the distinction. In any case, I think the likelihood of a conflict is really minimal, as you point out above. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:50:06 -0500 Reply-To: davidaus@indiana.edu Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: david robert austen Subject: She was feeling wretched earlier today, but . . . Dear Nancy: We can all get bummed out when things go awry like that. The first thing I do is look at what else I can be doing that would be even _better_ than working for that client who walked without even taking the time and trouble to make a phone call! If nothing else, I would be looking for "more better" clients :-) Then I'd look at my process to see what I can do next time to avoid that kind of problem. Would there be a way to anticipate when a certain fax should be arriving? And then follow up with a phone call to the client when it doesn't come? In theory, I might be better for you to actually ask the phone company to change your fax number to the one which is written incorrectly in the ASI directory! If someone has that number, bribe them to be helpful and polite and steer people in your direction. It may even be their fax number! Bingo! A lot of people in this country have a great reluctance to make long distance phone calls. With my service, I could call a client on the other side of the continent and spend about three minutes chatting with them for 30 cents. Sometimes, frequent (neurotic?) "checking behaviour" can really pay off. In fact, I use about any reasonable excuse I can find to give clients regular calls and letters so they know where I am at all times, and what my phone numbers are. I hope you're feeling great by now! Cyber hugs from a bunch of us! David Nancy K Humphreys wrote: > > I have to write that I feel wretched today. Often I give a rate without > seeing the manuscript, and hope I don't get burned by something unexpected. > Last week I was contacted about doing a book of essays by different > authors, so I thought I'd give the suggestion I've seen on Index-L to look > at a few pages first (to see if there was a lot of jargon and/or > inconsistency of terms among different authors). Well, the ASI Indexer > Services had the wrong fax number listed for me, and today I was informed > > the publisher went with someone else. This is the last of series of things > like this that have happened to me, and I just feel bummed out! Can anyone > give advice on what you do when in this state? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:02:32 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Locatelli@AOL.COM Subject: Re: feeling wretched You all should know that two members of the committee proofed the entire document, a huge job for which I am grateful. However, it was not possible to proof from original documents supplied by listees. For the upcoming cycle we are planning to include time for individuals to proof their own listings. While this will add to the complexity of our task, we hope that this will alleviate some of the problems with typos and incorrect information in the listings. Fred Leise Between the Lines Indexing and Editorial Services Chair, ASI Indexer Services Committee ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:51:28 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "P. Buell" Subject: Re: contractor status In-Reply-To: <199710011828.LAA28889@mx3.u.washington.edu> Diana: That company is way out of line in the information they want. Don't work for them. Paul D. Buell ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 20:24:38 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: feeling wretched At 10:02 PM 10/1/97 -0400, Locatelli@AOL.COM wrote: >You all should know that two members of the committee proofed the entire >document, a huge job for which I am grateful. However, it was not possible to >proof from original documents supplied by listees. For the upcoming cycle we >are planning to include time for individuals to proof their own listings. >While this will add to the complexity of our task, we hope that this will >alleviate some of the problems with typos and incorrect information in the >listings. Fred, I appreciate this information. I'm wondering what WE can do, in future, to help make the situation easier. If we could access a listing form on the ASI web page, for example, then I presume the information we type in could be used "as is" directly in electronic form with no alterations. Then WE would be responsible for any errors we made. Or maybe there is some other solution to get as close to 100% accuracy as possible. I'm not familiar with how this book is put together, but I'm wondering why the listings can't be proofed from original documents...at least, the name and address portion. Once those names were as accurate as possible, then you could just work from that list to back-check the geographical and subject listings. Just a thought... =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:58:02 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey Subject: AUSSI conference Hi all, When I asked recently what Index-Lers thought about our future, someone replied that he would be keen to hear what people at the conference thought. So here are some very brief comments. My previous post deals with comments specifically about Index-L at the conference. The conference went from Saturday morning to early afternoon Sunday, with the Medal dinner on Saturday night. I believe there are plans to put some of the papers on the AUSSI web page, so you will be able to read full details. As well as a chance to network with old friends, the conference gave us a chance to explore the possibilities of newer locations for indexing, particularly the Internet. Alan Walker (with Bob Jansen) spoke about indexing a multimedia presentation, where he worked from a video of speeches. Graham Greenleaf spoke about a legal information service which uses a combination of manual (human) and automatic methods to organise their service. They store searches (for use with Internet search engines) and use targeted web spiders to retrieve information to keep their service up to date. Tony Barry gave an overview and update of the Internet, and spoke about potential niche markets for indexing services. Richard Jones spoke about automated indexing and summarising software. Bemal Rajapatirana from the National Library of Australia gave a very clear overview of the concept of metadata, and the development of standards through the Dublin Core etc., and it seemed to us that there was potential work for indexers and freelance cataloguers here. There were other sessions and workshops, including some that I missed (couldn't get a babysitter for the whole time - this is a problem with both spouses being indexers!) The general feeling seemed to be positive - that there were new roles for us to fill. It was good to hear of a few specific projects that are happening. If others are like me there is a feeling of having to find our feet, keep an open mind, target the sort of work we'd like to do and then try and get it. Jon and I drove home inspired, thinking about future directions we might take (but with a sneaking suspicion that it might be hard to find Web sites as interesting and pleasant to index as the books we currently do). It was great to see a few overseas indexers there, and quite a number of Australians from interstate. Regards, Glenda. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:07:15 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey Subject: Aust. conference - comments about INDEX-L talk Hi all, I thought I would let you know briefly how things went at the Australian Indexing conference last weekend. A separate post deals with the conference in general. I gave an overview of Index-L and some of the discussions which have been held. Questions included: What other lists might be useful? to which people suggested the technical writers list, copyediting, Search, and others. Someone asked whether Index-L had a web page associated with the list. I said 'No', and I didn't think it had ever been considered. The AUSSI and ASI web pages seem to cover very much the same material as an Index-L web page would. Someone else asked whether acknowledgment of indexers had ever been discussed. I couldn't remember, but will check the archives and let him know. Thats all I can remember. It was great to meet an Index-L colleague (Lori Lathrop) there. Regards, Glenda Browne. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:06:04 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey Subject: HTML See Also refs From: "Seth A. Maislin" Subject: Re: "See Also" Hyperlinks > I'm puzzling out how to provide "see also" links in Web documents. Lindsay, There is no easy way to do this. In fact, there is no way to do this at all, unless you are willing to resort to special scripts or manual work. This is because the people who are writing Web languages are completely unaware that indexes are important. I mean, who would really want to find anything online anyway, right? We have search engines! (groan) One possibility is to link the cross references directly to the locations in the index where you want them. In FrameMaker, that means embedding your index with the links themselves. But this is like circular reasoning: you need an index to create an index. So this simply doesn't work. Ultimately, in HTML, you need named anchors at the locations your see-also xrefs are supposed to point, and then you have to insert the xref text where it belongs (alphabetically, for example). This is a manual process, and it can be painful. There are two ways to automate this, however, and this might help give you ideas on how to start this in FrameMaker. Both of these require scripts. Seth has stolen my thunder here, but I thought I'd add a few comments to his useful exposition: >(the numbers in asterisks are hyperlinks): > > Portion of BookIndex.htm file > ... > > software, *1*, *2*, *3* > > plug-ins, *4*, *5* > > spam, avoiding, _link4_ You don't need quote marks around names (or any other HTML codes) unless they contain spaces: i.e. would be OK, but is not - it does need the quotes. > Cross references (elsewhere in index) > > > junk email. See also > > > plug-ins. See also Likewise with the quote marks: and you can also omit the reference to the current file - i.e. since the link itself and the destination linked to are both within BookIndex.htm, the last example could become: plug-ins. See also However, you do need some text for the user to read and click on, and this needs to follow the tag and to end with a tag, making the last example into, say: plug-ins. See also software, plug-i ns Now, all I hope is that this message doesn't get formatted as HTML by your e-mail programs. Jonathan. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 06:45:43 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Joanne E. Clendenen" Organization: AfterWords Indexing Services Subject: Re: Indexer Services errors Peg Mauer wrote: > OK, I have an idea. Let's all pull out our Indexer Services from June of 1997 > and check our entries closely. If you discover an error in your listing, post > the *correct* info here, and copy in the ASI office (asi@well.sf.ca.us). That > way, we can all correct our copies, and ASI will be notified. I'm sure that > they'll want to include the corrections in the next version. > Interesting idea. I hope the list doesn't get swamped, but here it goes: My zip code is wrong in the new Indexer Services listing, because I changed from my home address to a mailbox, and I also changed my ISP after I submitted my info to ASI, so my email address is incorrect (although this is not ASI's fault). The corrected information is: 9597 Jones Road #113 Houston, TX 77065 email: jbclend@bigfoot.com I'm sure I will have corrections on my zipcode throughout the year, although I hope I won't lose any mail as a result. I will have to check with anyone who gets my info from this source and update them. Of course, after having been in this publication since 1995, I have not received any calls from prospective clients who saw my name there. We'll see how it goes. Joanne -- AfterWords Indexing Services Joanne E. Clendenen email: jbclend@bigfoot.com http://www.flash.net/~jbclend ---------------- Do or do not. There is no try. --Yoda ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:57:00 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "John R. Sullivan" Subject: Help Technology Update conference (repost?) My apologies if you've already received this -- I just re-subscribed to INDEX-L, and I suspect that my first attempt at posting might have failed. Therefore, I'm sending again just to be sure. I promise I won't double-post in the future! I attended the Help Technology Update conference in Cambridge, MA, on Monday and Tuesday. This conference, which was sponsored by Winwriters and Solutions, presented the latest info on what's going on generally with on-line help and with Microsoft's HTML Help in particular. Jared Spool's presentation, entitled "HTML Design Research Update", included some tantalizing nuggets for anyone interested in indexing. Based on his company's research, in many cases the current search capabilities on the Web do nothing to help users find the information they're looking for. To quote Spool: "Searching s**ks...and is a poor substitute for indexing." He went on to state that Web site designers must have strong skills in information design and indexing, and that he expected to see a "resurgence of professional indexers." Sounds like good news to me! John R. Sullivan Senior Technical Writer Stratus Computer Marlborough, MA John_Sullivan@vos.stratus.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:11:52 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Eileen Allen Subject: typos In-Reply-To: <199710020159.VAA19228@snapdragon.textwise.com> Speaking of typos -- has everyone else noticed the large number of typos in the last Keywords? Is this a result of Information Today publishing the newsletter? Eileen E. Allen On Wed, 1 Oct 1997 Locatelli@AOL.COM wrote: > You all should know that two members of the committee proofed the entire > document, a huge job for which I am grateful. However, it was not possible to > proof from original documents supplied by listees. For the upcoming cycle we > are planning to include time for individuals to proof their own listings. > While this will add to the complexity of our task, we hope that this will > alleviate some of the problems with typos and incorrect information in the > listings. > > Fred Leise > Between the Lines Indexing and Editorial Services > Chair, ASI Indexer Services Committee > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:27:30 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Julia B. Marshall" Subject: Requesting info on buying a zip drive In-Reply-To: <199710021306.JAA04349@cap1.CapAccess.org> Dear Collective Wisdom I am in the process of trying to buy an iomega zip drive as a back up to my computer. I have the choice of a "Parallel Port" zip drive or an "SCSI" zip drive. I don't know what the difference is and I don't know which one would be compatible with a Dell 133 Pentium computer. Could some kind, technologically-enlightened soul shed some light on this matter for me? TIA. Regards Julia Marshall juliam@capaccess.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:39:58 LCL Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Julius Ariail Subject: Re: Requesting info on buying a zip drive In-Reply-To: <9710021327.AA22264@gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU> Parallel port version basically links to your parallel (printer) port on back of your computer, and then your printer hooks to the back of the zip drive in a daisy-chain effect. Works OK, but a bit slower than next option. Is also portable, in the sense that it can detach from computer A and attach to computer B, since all computers have a parallel port but few have a SCSI card port. SCSI drive- has a special card (or you need to buy a special card) that goes into the back of your computer, and then the zip drive links to that. Faster than the above, but sometimes there are some configuration problems. Plus more expensive since you have to pay for that card also. In the long run, a more "industrial-strength" choice. I've used both versions on various machines and they work as advertised. Good product. Julius At 09:27 AM 10/2/97 -0400, you wrote: >Dear Collective Wisdom > I am in the process of trying to buy an iomega zip drive as a >back up to my computer. I have the choice of a "Parallel Port" zip drive >or an "SCSI" zip drive. I don't know what the difference is and I don't >know which one would be compatible with a Dell 133 Pentium computer. >Could some kind, technologically-enlightened soul shed some light on >this matter for me? TIA. > >Regards >Julia Marshall >juliam@capaccess.org > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 07:06:21 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kari Bero Subject: Re: Indexer Services errors In-Reply-To: <34338967.580A9F50@flash.net> Here are corrections for my entry "Bero-West Indexing Services": email: bero@cyberspace.com URL: http://www.cyberspace.com/~bero/ -Kari -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Kari J. Bero Bero-West Indexing Services 206-937-3673 3722 Beach Drive SW, Suite 101 bero@cyberspace.com Seattle, WA 98116 http://www.cyberspace.com/~bero/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:13:28 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Chuck Banks Subject: Re: Requesting info on buying a zip drive For Julia Marshall, et al: Julia wrote: > I am in the process of trying to buy an iomega zip drive as a > back up to my computer. I have the choice of a "Parallel Port" zip drive > or an "SCSI" zip drive. I don't know what the difference is and I don't > know which one would be compatible with a Dell 133 Pentium computer. > Could some kind, technologically-enlightened soul shed some light on > this matter for me? > A "Parallel Port" zip drive connects to your computer via its printer connector. Such drives, zip or other type, are standalone devices needing only data from your computer. A Small Computer System Interface (SCSI) zip drive is usually installed inside your computer and connects to an SCSI (usually pronounced "skuzzee") controller card, also residing in your computer. Your best choice is to seek enlightened help from Dell or some local guru. Someone must identify what types of controller cards already reside in your computer. If you don't already have a SCSI controller in your computer, that would be an added expense to use a SCSI zip drive. A "Parallel Port" drive is likely to cost more than a SCSI zip drive without controller card, but probably costs the same as a SCSI drive and controller card together. "Parallel Port" drives also tend to run somewhat slower than drives installed in the computer. If you have a limited budget and you want to use the zip drive on more than one computer, a "Parallel Port" zip drive is a much less expensive choice. If you want to support a single machine, and you already have a SCSI controller (such as to control some CD-ROM drives) a SCSI zip drive is the better choice. If you can possibly extend your choices somehow, ask for a zip drive compatible with your existing disk drive controller, probably an IDE or EIDE controller. That could be a _much_ less expensive choice. I hope this helps, Chuck Banks -- __ ________ ______ |\\ | || // Chuck Banks | \\ | ||_______ || Senior Technical Writer | \\ | || || NEC America, Inc. | \\| \\______ \\______ E-Mail: chuck@asl.dl.nec.com America, Incorporated WWW: http://www.nec.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:21:53 -0500 Reply-To: davidaus@indiana.edu Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: david robert austen Subject: Re: Requesting info on buying a zip drive If it is just for backing up (safekeeping) data, I'd suggest the Iomega Ditto tape drive, with 2GB capacity. It is not SCSI, and can be moved to different machines easily. Cheaper and more efficient storage and use all around - unless you need high speed access: the Zip is a _disk_ drive, Ditto a slower tape drive. David Julia B. Marshall wrote: > > Dear Collective Wisdom > I am in the process of trying to buy an iomega zip drive as a > back up to my computer. I have the choice of a "Parallel Port" zip drive > or an "SCSI" zip drive. I don't know what the difference is and I don't > know which one would be compatible with a Dell 133 Pentium computer. > Could some kind, technologically-enlightened soul shed some light on > this matter for me? TIA. > > Regards > Julia Marshall > juliam@capaccess.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 07:42:58 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Al Stewart Subject: Re: Requesting info on buying a zip drive In-Reply-To: <199710021424.HAA06281@poseidon.van.hookup.net> >Julia B. Marshall wrote: >> >> Dear Collective Wisdom >> I am in the process of trying to buy an iomega zip drive as a >> back up to my computer. I have the choice of a "Parallel Port" zip drive >> or an "SCSI" zip drive. I don't know what the difference is and I don't >> know which one would be compatible with a Dell 133 Pentium computer. >> Could some kind, technologically-enlightened soul shed some light on >> this matter for me? TIA. >> >> Regards >> Julia Marshall >> juliam@capaccess.org > I use the parallel port zip drive ... in my experience, they're great. The beauty of the parallel port version is that they are portable they can be connected to any computer with a parallel port. Actually I use a pair of them for transferring material between computers. Also I have found (I have used a tape drive backup also, which does have some positive points) that quality control appears to be better on the disks than on the tapes. I have had tapes rejected in formatting for too many error segments. Seldom have that problem with disks, even the 3 1/2 inch floppies at bargain prices. Never had a problem yet with zipdisks. They are pricy but cheaper than floppies per capacity. Al Stewart --------------------------------------------- Al Stewart -- stewarta@kootenay.awinc.com -- stewarta@impact.ca "Stewart Information Services" -- Helping YOU Communicate ---- Manuscript Typing -- DTP Word Processing Text Conversion - Scanning/OCR -- Format Conversion http://www.cadvision.com/stewarta/multi1a.htm --------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:02:45 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Michaud Subject: Connecticut indexers? Hi, everyone. I am a newbie indexer, now enrolled in the USDA course. I have not joined ASI yet, in part because the Connecticut chapter is defunct. I have two questions: first, is there much benefit to joining ASI even if you cannot attend any meetings? And second, are there any indexers here in Connecticut who would be interested in getting together informally? I'm not interested in trying to restart the Connecticut ASI chapter, but it might be fun to meet other local indexers. I'm in Hamden (just north of New Haven). Christine Michaud cmichaud@erols.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:16:00 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "John R. Sullivan" Subject: Iomega ZIP drive The parallel version is more convenient if you plan to move it from one PC to another. In my experience, though, ZIP drives are all over the place; I've never run into a situation where I had to actually move a drive. The SCSI version, while potentially more difficult to install and configure, offers a tremendous speed advantage over the parallel version. If you truly have a choice, I'd recommend going with SCSI. John R. Sullivan ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:10:29 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "D. C. Schroeder" Subject: Re: Lynn Moncrief Condition Update: Lynn is being transfered to another V.A. hospital for bypass surgery either today or tomorrow. I have been in frequent touch with her by telephone and spoke with her last evening. Bob, as you all can imagine, has been very busy and has not had time to update the list. Lynn has really appreciated your messages and wants you all to know that they have been very important in keeping up her spirits. Please keep them coming. I will try to let the list informed on her condition. Dawn Schroeder The Perfect Page ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:16:43 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paul Corrington Subject: Re: contractor status Diana - You may want to inquire who & why they are requiring this information. Perhaps it is the publisher who is being investigated about their internal controls or verification that they are really paying out money to "real" sub-contractor. If you can determine why they want the data, then perhaps you can satisfy their request without giving out confidential information. I'd try to resolve your clients "needs" not just their request. Paul Corrington Corrington Indexing Service ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:28:13 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Peg Mauer Subject: Re: Connecticut indexers? In a message dated 97-10-02 11:06:19 EDT, you write: > I have two > questions: first, is there much benefit to joining ASI even if you cannot > attend any meetings? And second, are there any indexers here in Connecticut > who would be interested in getting together informally? I'm not interested > in trying to restart the Connecticut ASI chapter, but it might be fun to > meet other local indexers. I'm in Hamden (just north of New Haven). > Christine, Yes, there are many benefits of joining ASI. The newsletter, KeyWords, is excellent; you can attend the annual conference (scheduled for May 13-16 1998 in Seattle, WA); you get a discount on ASI publications and conferences, and you can attend ASI chapter meetings in neighboring states. You're more than welcome to attend meetings in Western NY. It might be a drive for you, but it's an option. We plan to have our next meeting in the spring of 98 in the Rochester, NY area. (We just had a meeting in Ithaca, NY.) You also might attend chapter meetings in NYC or VT or MA. I'm sure that others will come up with benefits that I've overlooked. Peg Mauer | http://members.aol.com/Pmauer/index.html Communication Link | phone: (518) 359-8616 Indexing, Technical Writing | fax: (518) 359-8235 PO Box 192 | co-leader of Western NY ASI chapter Piercefield, NY 12973 | Manager of STC Indexing SIG ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:29:05 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: Lynn Moncrief At 12:10 PM 10/2/97 -0400, D. C. Schroeder wrote: >Lynn is being transfered to another V.A. hospital for bypass surgery either >today or tomorrow. I have been in frequent touch with her by telephone and >spoke with her last evening. Bob, as you all can imagine, has been very busy >and has not had time to update the list. > >Lynn has really appreciated your messages and wants you all to know that they >have been very important in keeping up her spirits. Please keep them coming. > >I will try to let the list informed on her condition. Dawn, thanks so much for keeping us informed. I've hesitated to call myself, as I'm sure both Lynn and her husband have lots of other things on their minds right now, but I've sent messages...and have, of course, been concerned about how she's doing. It's great to get some news. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:16:22 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Connecticut indexers? Christine, I would say that yes, there is benefit of joining ASI despite the lack of a local chapter. The Keywords newsletter, published 5 or 6 times a year, always contains substantive articles on some aspects of indexing, and can orient you as to the profession as a whole. Your membership also includes a subscription to the British society's journal, which although very different in character, is equally as interesting. Between the 2, it makes it worthwhile. Have you visited the ASI website yet? I would recommend you do so! Janet Perlman Southwest Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:21:47 -0700 Reply-To: greenhou@erols.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "S. Greenhouse" Subject: Re: Indexer Services errors While this is a great way to collect the errors in the ASI directory, let us be reminded that not _all_ ASI members are Index-L subscribers, and not everyone reads Index-L every day. Folks mailing their corrections to Index-L should ***Cc:*** a copy to the ASI email address. That way ASI has a listing of Index-L subscribers corrections. There needs to be a way to solicit corrections from ASI's entire membership in order to then send out a corrections list to the entire membership. Shelley Greenhouse greenhou@erols.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:54:05 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lillian Ashworth Subject: Re: Indexer Services errors Which directory are we talking about? Perhaps there should be some clarification here since there are two separate ASI directories: The Indexer Locator for which there was a price to be included in its pages and the ASI membership directory itself. From earlier posts, it appeared that the Locator was the subject; now it seems that the membership directory itself is the object of concern. The directory is full of errors --perhaps because it took two years to compile and hence was out-of-date before it even got to us. Which directory is used by ASI to connect indexers with potential indexes? Or are both? Please, some clarification before we start flooding Index-L with names and where to reach us. Lillian Ashworth ashworth@pullman.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:31:36 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barbara A. Wallace" Subject: Re: Connecticut indexers? In a message dated 97-10-02 11:06:05 EDT, you write: << is there much benefit to joining ASI even if you cannot attend any meetings? >> One benefit I received today -- a potential client! The client needed an index done, called a librarian friend who suggested she contact ASI, who, in turn, gave her my name and phone number. We meet tomorrow to look at her project. So, if this works out into a new client, I think my membership dues were well spent! Good luck! Barbara A. Wallace Ironwood Indexing & Editing Services ** new e-mail address ** barbara.wallace@mcione.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:53:32 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elizabeth SUBSCRIBE Elizabeth Nahory ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:22:53 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Indexer Services errors Re: Corrections Please, everybody ........ it is fine to post these corrections here -- I'll update my own personal copy of the Indexer Services and the ASI Directory. But to ensure that the corrections are made in the ASI Member database, which means they will get into the new directory and the new Indexer Services. It is about time to begin working on those again shortly, so please, as somebody else suggested, cc: the asi office on each of these emails. The office will keep track of this and enter them onto the database. Thanks! Janet Perlman Southwest Indexing and Secretary, ASI National Board ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:48:30 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sarah H Lemaire Subject: Re: Connecticut indexers? In-Reply-To: <199710022101.AA21267@world.std.com> Christine, The Massachusetts Chapter of ASI seems to have lots of great workshops. Unfortunately, I've never been able to make one. But they sound interesting. They are usually near Boston but not always. Maybe someone else can post the URL for the Boston Chapter. Does anyone else have the problem of wanting to do some career development (like attending local ASI workshops) but not having the time? I have three children in elementary school and weekend sports and whatever free time I have, I'm usually spending it getting caught up on my freelance projects. Spending an entire Saturday at a workshop is, I'm sure valuable, but it's difficult for me to spare an entire day. ESNE in Cambridge, MA also has some interesting workshops that I'm interested in. It's a bit frustrating and I'm not sure if it will get easier as the kids get older. In general, I'm having trouble juggling the kids and the freelancing. The summer was especially difficult since my income does not justify the cost of day care for three children. I considered taking next summer off but it's hard to turn down work. The money's too useful. I'm learning how to get by on less sleep and of course, I'm quite thankful that I have a steady stream of work, but I wonder if others have the same problems. Sarah ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:09:06 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: Connecticut indexers? At 09:48 PM 10/2/97 -0400, Sarah H Lemaire wrote: >In general, I'm having trouble juggling the kids and the freelancing. The >summer was especially difficult since my income does not justify the cost >of day care for three children. I considered taking next summer off >but it's hard to turn down work. The money's too useful. I'm learning >how to get by on less sleep and of course, I'm quite thankful that I have >a steady stream of work, but I wonder if others have the same problems. I found that the YMCA and our city recreation department had a great assortment of inexpensive day camps...some involving special activites (like a week-long soccer camp or one devoted to art or music), and most of them took kids from as young as 3 or 4 all the way to junior high age. Your kids would probably love this, and it has to be less expensive than regular daycare. Another thought...how about hiring a high school or college student to be a nanny at your home for so many hours a day, or a full day or two during the week? If this person could drive (and you trusted him or her to drive your kids), your problems would be considerably eased. From a professional standpoint, IMO of course, it's probably not a great idea to take three months off every year if you can help it. I've turned down jobs when I've simply been too jammed up with work or personal business, but I've tried not to do it more than once or twice to any given client over the long haul. Good luck! =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:48:38 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Martha Osgood Subject: Benefits of Membership in ASI In-Reply-To: <199710021717.KAA24529@darkwing.uoregon.edu> >Your membership also includes a >subscription to the British society's journal, which although very different >in character, is equally as interesting. Hi. When do we get our copy of the British society's journal? I've been a member since Jan/Feb and have not received a copy, and the U of O library will not order inter-library loan for Town Patrons without a lot of red tape, green pesos, and gnashing of teeth. Once I get it, I imagine I can order back issues from the information in it. ****************************************************** Martha Osgood osgood@darkwing.uoregon.edu Back Words Indexing 541-484-1180 Eugene, OR Back-of-the-Book Indexing for Publishers and Authors ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:06:02 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Martha Osgood Subject: Benefits of membership in ASI In-Reply-To: <199710021933.MAA22017@darkwing.uoregon.edu> >>One benefit I received today -- a potential client! The client needed >>an index done, called a librarian friend who suggested she contact ASI, >>who, in turn, gave her my name and phone number. We meet tomorrow to >>look at her project. I second Barbara's message above: I too have benefitted from being a member in exactly the same way. A panicked editor called ASI, was given several indexers to contact, and I was the first available in her timeframe. Not bad! That book will cover my membership for quite a few years to come! ****************************************************** Martha Osgood osgood@darkwing.uoregon.edu Back Words Indexing 541-484-1180 Eugene, OR Back-of-the-Book Indexing for Publishers and Authors ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:24:18 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Charles R. Anderson" Subject: Re: Requesting info on buying a zip drive I've been using a parallel port ZIP drive and finally added a second parallel port to my machine (costs $29 - although you can probably find one for less - you want a high speed IEEE card). This solves the slowness that you can typically experience if you are running the ZIP drive and printer from the same port. It will also cure sudden lockups if you accidentally try to access the ZIP drive will sending info to the printer. The card is simple to install and it is well worth it if you go this route. Also, I think the speed question re SCSI vs. parallel may be a bit overstated - unless you are planning on running programs from the ZIP drive, the slower parallel version probably won't really be a problem - but maybe that's because my first PC was an 8088 running at 4.77 Mhz so now anything short of a second seems fast to me. Charles Anderson Charles Anderson c.anderson.seattle@worldnet.att.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:31:42 +1100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Australian Society of Indexers Subject: PatCite - patent searching software for Win 95/NT Hi This is a very good bit of software - I just looked up 'software and encryption' on the US Patents Office search page and got some very interesting results. See PatCite home page - an Aussie invention. PatCite - online Australian and US patent searching software for Windows 95/NT - Canberra invention! Dwight ------- Dwight Walker Webmaster and Editor Australian Society of Indexers, 6/333 Old South Head Rd, Bondi NSW 2026 Australia +61-2-91304206 (h) +61-(0)412-405727 (mobile), fax +61-2-97772058 URL: http://www.zeta.org.au/~aussi ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 06:30:34 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Joanne E. Clendenen" Organization: AfterWords Indexing Services Subject: Re: Requesting info on buying a zip drive Julia, I have a Dell 100 mhz pentium computer, and a Zip drive, so I can probably speak to this issue. The SCSI version is faster, but you have to put the card inside the computer, so you either mustn't be afraid to open the little monster, or you have to get someone to do it. We chose the SCSI version for speed and because we only have one parallel port, and our printer is using it. The only glitch I ran into in installing the Zip, was that the SCSI used an IRQ setting that conflicted with another hardware item in the computer. If your computer refuses to recognize the Zip after you put it in, check the Device manager tab in Control Panel/System. It will higjlight which device is in conflict, and then you can change the settings on the SCSI board itself to avoid a conflict. After I figured out this problem, the Zip has worked just fine, although it runs programs more slowly than my hard drive. I use it for storage only. The interface for the Zip software is very friendly. Good luck! Joanne -- AfterWords Indexing Services Joanne E. Clendenen email: jbclend@bigfoot.com http://www.flash.net/~jbclend ---------------- Do or do not. There is no try. --Yoda ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:29:00 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "John R. Sullivan" Subject: Re: Iomega Zip drive In response to Charles Anderson's comment: Also, I think the speed question re SCSI vs. parallel may be a bit overstated - unless you are planning on running programs from the ZIP drive, the slower parallel version probably won't really be a problem - but maybe that's because my first PC was an 8088 running at 4.77 Mhz so now anything short of a second seems fast to me. In my experience, the speed question has been critical. The speed difference between the parallel version and the SCSI version is huge, especially when copying large files. Also, it's a trememdous advantage to be able to run programs off a Zip drive. As with anything else, you need to decide what's important to you in choosing. If speed is not an issue, the parallel version will do the trick. If you truly have a choice, though, SCSI is the only way to go. John R. Sullivan ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:22:57 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Larry Harrison Subject: Re: Requesting info on buying a zip drive Julius Ariail wrote: > >Parallel port version basically links to your parallel (printer) port on >back of your computer, and then your printer hooks to the back of the zip >drive in a daisy-chain effect. Works OK, but a bit slower than next option. >Is also portable, in the sense that it can detach from computer A and >attach to computer B, since all computers have a parallel port but few have >a SCSI card port. > >SCSI drive- has a special card (or you need to buy a special card) that >goes into the back of your computer, and then the zip drive links to that. >Faster than the above, but sometimes there are some configuration problems. >Plus more expensive since you have to pay for that card also. In the long >run, a more "industrial-strength" choice. > This is correct for PC's, although I would say that the parallel port is MUCH slower rather than a bit slower. Just for completeness, remember that all Macintoshes since 1986 have had a SCSI port built-in, making it trivial to connect ZIP drives, tape units, external hard disks etc. etc. without any optional cards or configuration problems. SCSI is indeed the "industrial-strength" choice. :-D Regards, Larry Harrison (larryh@millcomm.com) Tel: 507/280-0049 Freelance book indexing Rochester, Minnesota What's book indexing? ---> ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:28:30 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John and Kara Pekar Subject: Re: Connecticut indexers? Sarah H Lemaire wrote: > Does anyone else have the problem of wanting to do some career development > (like attending local ASI workshops) but not having the time? I have > three children in elementary school and weekend sports and whatever free > time I have, I'm usually spending it getting caught up on my freelance > projects. Spending an entire Saturday at a workshop is, I'm sure > valuable, but it's difficult for me to spare an entire day. Same here. Though I only have one child (and a brand-new cat), I find my weekends are often scheduled before I find out about workshops or chapter meetings. I had to miss a workshop on mentoring, which I really wanted to attend, because I was already committed to throwing a 45th wedding anniversary party for my in-laws on the same day! Kara Pekar ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:04:16 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barbara Stroup Subject: Conn. indexers for Christine and other Connecticut indexers: The Massachusetts chapter is right next door and invites your affiliation. We attract indexers from all the New England states and New York and we try to vary our meeting locations to reduce driving time. Please see our web page (linked from ASI web page) for information about our next workshop on November 8 when we welcome Do Mi Stauber who will present her one-day course "Facing the Text." Barbara Stroup, President (Mass. chapter) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:08:04 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LLFEdServ@AOL.COM Subject: indexing with children In a message dated 97-10-03 06:58:40 EDT, you write: << At 09:48 PM 10/2/97 -0400, Sarah H Lemaire wrote: >In general, I'm having trouble juggling the kids and the freelancing. The >summer was especially difficult since my income does not justify the cost >of day care for three children. I considered taking next summer off >but it's hard to turn down work. The money's too useful. I'm learning >how to get by on less sleep and of course, I'm quite thankful that I have >a steady stream of work, but I wonder if others have the same problems. >> I have only one child, but I appreciate the difficulties Sarah and others are experiencing. Fortunately I have a year-round preschool for my son, so that is several working hours available right there. I have learned to teach him limits and to have him play by himself so I can work. I set an amount of time, a place for him to play, and explain that I have to work on a project. I have been able to get a few hours extra in each day by doing this, I don't have to pay for a sitter, and he is learning the invaluable skill of entertaining himself. Admittedly it doesn't ALWAYS work. We all have bad days. Sonsie's suggestions are good ones, but let me add a few more. I have hired neighborhood girls around 11-13 to come play with my son after school and on days during the summer. These are the girls who want to start babysitting but don't have a lot of experience yet. Both they and their parents know that I will be home if there is an emergency, so this is a good introduction to babysitting. This is of course for a toddler and older. I wouldn't have a babysitter that young for an infant. I have called local high schools and junior highs to find babysitters, and someone once suggested that I try churches as well. I haven't done that yet, but I bet there are surrogate grandparents available who would appreciate a little extra income. As far as the workshop question, I have never had time to make it to a meeting or workshop. I spend my "free time" catching up on projects. I'm hoping to make it to the Seattle ASI meeting this coming year. I've been planning how I'll work it out for several months now. But for now, because the income is more important than attending meetings and workshops, I spend my available time indexing and try to "develop professionally" from reading books, journals, and the invaluable postings on INDEX-L. Leslie Frank Frank Words Indexing and Editing ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:10:11 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LLFEdServ@AOL.COM Subject: indexing with kids--one last thing I forgot about an important time saver that I use and advise to anyone with kids. I hire a housekeeper. That is time I don't have to spend scrubbing, it's less than a sitter, and I make more per hour so I can justify spending the money knowing that I can be working and earning more instead of cleaning. It also removes one more hassle from my life. Leslie Frank Words Indexing and Editing ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:52:36 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Steven Sawula Subject: Fwd: Requesting info on buying a zip drive In a message dated 97-10-02 22:33:19 EDT, davidaus@indiana.edu writes: << Hi, > I've had the Iomega Zip drive for a while now. The thing I like most about > it is in addition to being a backup device, it can also be used as another > hard drive. Many if not most programs can be installed and run from the Zip > Drive disks. I use my Parallel Port version with an IBM Thinkpad Notebook. I > hope this helps a little in your decision making process. > > Steve Sawula > ssawula@hotmail.com nd. >> --------------------- Forwarded message: From: davidaus@indiana.edu (david robert austen) Reply-to: davidaus@indiana.edu To: SSawula@aol.com CC: davidaus@indiana.edu (David) Date: 97-10-02 22:33:19 EDT It wasn't me shopping for the zip, so you might want to put this on the listserv, frieSSawula@aol.com wrote: > > Hi, > I've had the Iomega Zip drive for a while now. The thing I like most about > it is in addition to being a backup device, it can also be used as another > hard drive. Many if not most programs can be installed and run from the Zip > Drive disks. I use my Parallel Port version with an IBM Thinkpad Notebook. I > hope this helps a little in your decision making process. > > Steve Sawula > ssawula@hotmail.com nd. Best wishes and thanks, David ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:53:30 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Re: Zip Drives & Other Wonders Another county heard from. Of the ten or so posts regarding drives, Dave Austen is the only one to have suggested a *tape* drive. For years I was using floppies for backup withn good results, except that when the number of discs became excessive [85] I chose to revise my methods. The Zip dirve was one alternative that I discussed with friends, along with 21 Mb Flopticals and others. Since I use the system solely for backup, mostly repairing damaged software -- which happens more frequently that one would expect -- and not for operation, a tape drive seemed the best choice. I am now running an H-P/Colorado T1000E with great success. It daisy- chains on the printer port and comes with both DOS and Windows software [a good idea, since on at least one occasion when my Windows system refused to run I was able to restore it using the DOS version controlling the tape drive]. The unit is portable and cost about $200 with an 850 Mb tape cartridge. There *are* disadvantages, though. The speed isn't too much of a problem since the machine can be left running overnight to perform a 2.5 hour backup; but having TWO drives to back up requires a cartridge change and a second session. The maximum capacity of this unit is 1.0 Gb. Since I will be upgrading to a 3 or 4 Gb drive the backup problem has taken on a new and bothersome aspect. MORE tape. MORE time. There is a cute, but expensive, solution which I have had NO experience with: mirror drives. One runs two identical drives; while one is the actual system drive, the second unit apparently performs the same operations in parallel with the first. The drives, then, are "active twins". This sounds great, but the expense of a second drive, plus $200 for the special controller card, seems at the moment rather daunting. In my usual attempt to be helpful I hope I haven't irritated everyone by clouding the issue. Cheers, Dave Talcott ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:25:18 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lindsay Gower Subject: Re: typos At 09:11 AM 10/2/97 -0400, Eileen wrote: >Speaking of typos -- has everyone else noticed the large number of typos >in the last Keywords? Boy, I sure did -- it was peppered with errors. Simple SpellCheck would have caught most of them.What's up with that? -- LG ----------------------------------------------------------------- Lindsay Gower | email: lindsay@persistence.com Technical Writer | phone: 1.650.372.3606 Persistence Software Inc. | fax: 1.650.341.8432 1720 S. Amphlett Blvd., Suite 300 | http://www.persistence.com San Mateo, CA USA 94402 | ---------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:29:35 -0500 Reply-To: davidaus@indiana.edu Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: david robert austen Subject: Re: Zip Drives & Other Wonders You sure didn't irritate _me!_ Recognition at last! Thanks for the mention, buddy. David ----- Dafydd Llwyd Talcott wrote: > > Another county heard from. Of the ten or so posts regarding drives, > Dave Austen is the only one to have suggested a *tape* drive. For years > I was using floppies for backup withn good results, except that when > the number of discs became excessive [85] I chose to revise my methods. > The Zip dirve was one alternative that I discussed with friends, along > with 21 Mb Flopticals and others. > > Since I use the system solely for backup, mostly repairing damaged > software -- which happens more frequently that one would expect -- > and not for operation, a tape drive seemed the best choice. > > I am now running an H-P/Colorado T1000E with great success. It daisy- > chains on the printer port and comes with both DOS and Windows software > [a good idea, since on at least one occasion when my Windows system > refused to run I was able to restore it using the DOS version controlling > the tape drive]. The unit is portable and cost about $200 with an > 850 Mb tape cartridge. > > There *are* disadvantages, though. The speed isn't too much of a problem > since the machine can be left running overnight to perform a 2.5 hour > backup; but having TWO drives to back up requires a cartridge change > and a second session. The maximum capacity of this unit is 1.0 Gb. > > Since I will be upgrading to a 3 or 4 Gb drive the backup problem has > taken on a new and bothersome aspect. MORE tape. MORE time. There is > a cute, but expensive, solution which I have had NO experience with: > mirror drives. One runs two identical drives; while one is the actual > system drive, the second unit apparently performs the same operations > in parallel with the first. The drives, then, are "active twins". > This sounds great, but the expense of a second drive, plus $200 for > the special controller card, seems at the moment rather daunting. > > In my usual attempt to be helpful I hope I haven't irritated everyone > by clouding the issue. > > Cheers, > Dave Talcott ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 16:22:19 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Suellen Kasoff Subject: Re: Connecticut indexers? What is ESNE? Suellen On Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:48:30 -0400 Sarah H Lemaire writes: >Christine, > >The Massachusetts Chapter of ASI seems to have lots of great >workshops. >Unfortunately, I've never been able to make one. But they sound >interesting. They are usually near Boston but not always. Maybe >someone >else can post the URL for the Boston Chapter. > >Does anyone else have the problem of wanting to do some career >development >(like attending local ASI workshops) but not having the time? I have >three children in elementary school and weekend sports and whatever >free >time I have, I'm usually spending it getting caught up on my freelance >projects. Spending an entire Saturday at a workshop is, I'm sure >valuable, but it's difficult for me to spare an entire day. ESNE in >Cambridge, MA also has some interesting workshops that I'm interested >in. >It's a bit frustrating and I'm not sure if it will get easier as the >kids >get older. > >In general, I'm having trouble juggling the kids and the freelancing. >The >summer was especially difficult since my income does not justify the >cost >of day care for three children. I considered taking next summer off >but it's hard to turn down work. The money's too useful. I'm >learning >how to get by on less sleep and of course, I'm quite thankful that I >have >a steady stream of work, but I wonder if others have the same >problems. > >Sarah > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 17:07:00 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sarah H Lemaire Subject: Re: Connecticut indexers? In-Reply-To: <199710042025.AA12275@world.std.com> ESNE is Editorial Services of New England. 2-3 times a year they publish a list of seminars/courses on publishing-related issues, including indexing, editing, desktop publishing, technical writing, graphic design. They're located in Cambridge, MA at 10 Fawcett Street, Zip: 02138. To contact them try training@esne.com or call (617) 354-2828. Sarah ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 17:19:29 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nancy K Humphreys Subject: directory error I'm sorry, but I have continued to be very upset by the loss of this clie= nt (with six books a year) and unable to post before this. First, thanks ver= y much for all the helpful suggestions for coping! I've been trying them all... Now, for those who were confused, here are the details as I understand them. The client e-mailed me via Compuserve that he got a referral to me from the ASI office. I mistakenly assumed they verbally gave him their latest database information on me. After being e-mailed that the fax had not gone through, I asked him what number he had and he e-mailed me that = he had used the one in "Indexer Services, July 1997". That is the $50-a-listing directory. I hadn't yet received my copy of "Indexer Services-July 1997" so I didn't= know it was available or what was in it. On the entry form for this directory, I left the fax number blank because I wasn't sure if I wanted = to get a second phone line, and at present my fax is the same as my phone number.The ASI person who responded to my call this week, said that to sa= ve money on typing, they did not take the information on the form I enclosed= ; they used the ASI membership database. When I pointed out that the fax number the client used was from where I worked two years ago, and that I had updated my information with my December 1996 dues renewal, she said they had probably used the December 1995 membership renewal database! She= also said they didn't have enough money to hire a proofreader. Then I received my copy of the "Indexer Services" directory. I saw that even though they used a two-year-old fax number, the directory has my ne= w 1997 Compuserve e-mail address right! I am certain that early this year = I sent ASI a directory correction form with my new Compuserve e-mail addres= s. Prior to this the membership database had my former e-mail address from T= he Well that is listed for me in the ASI "Directory of Members 1996-97." Als= o, the Membership Directory lists no fax numbers for anyone. So, I still cannot understand how the "Indexer Services" directory got a two-year old= fax number for me! I have been a member of ASI for twelve years, and I love ASI and would no= t want to hurt ASI. But after reading all the other posts about other directory errors, I have to say I think it looks terrible for a professi= on which prides itself on accuracy to engage in this kind of sloppiness on behalf of its members. As far as the saving money thing goes, talk about penny wise, dollar foolish! I for sure would far rather have paid more an= d had it done right! = ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 15:11:59 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: directory error At 05:19 PM 10/4/1997 -0400, Nancy K Humphreys wrote: >I'm sorry, but I have continued to be very upset by the loss of this >client (with six books a year) and unable to post before this. First, >thanks very much for all the helpful suggestions for coping! I've been >trying them all... Nancy, it sounds like miserable luck compounded by a fair number of snafus by somebody, somewhere, at ASI. I love 'em, too, but this is somewhat of a horror story. I continue to think there's got to be a better way to compile the Indexer Locator--specifically, that those of us with email or web access could type our own entries on a web-based or email form so that no retyping would have to be done. That would go a long way to eliminate random typos (we'd of course be left with our own errors, if we make any) and costs of extra proofing. Heck, I'd even volunteer to do some proofreading for free, to avoid just these sorts of problems! Anyway...back to your personal woes. Please try not to think of this as "losing" a customer that could give you six books a year...you haven't lost anything except the chance to do the first book. And there will be others! This mixup provides a good reason for you to maintain contact with the publisher, at least to the extent of correcting the error and providing some background material on yourself and your work...for future reference. Take full advantage of that opportunity to keep yourself in the publisher's database and uppermost in the editor's mind (without being a pest about it). Also remember that personnel changes rapidly, publishers are bought, sold, and taken over, and so forth. Chances are, there will be new people out there to contact, and new companies, and old companies with new personnel. Don't let this one horrible incident discourage you unduly. Good luck, and much empathy... =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 11:21:09 -0500 Reply-To: sdhdis@mail2.theonramp.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Danzi Hernandez Subject: Technical indexing Hello Everyone, I wanted to ask the technical indexers out there how they got started in that niche. I am currently taking The Course, I have a BS Mech Engineering, four years work experience as an engineer, and a MBA. I'm interested in doing indexes in the engineering field and I was wondering what the entry hurdles are for that. My ISP is having a problem with AOL. For some reason, AOL won't deliver mail from my server to anyone with an AOL.COM address (I can't even e-mail my own mother!). So if anyone wants to write me off the list, that's fine, but if you have AOL, I'm not being rude, I just can't answer! Thanks in advance! Susan D. Hernandez ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:49:58 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sarah H Lemaire Subject: Re: Lynn's condition In-Reply-To: <199709270129.AA27899@world.std.com> Does anyone know the address of the hospital where Lynn is!! Sarah ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 15:02:23 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sarah H Lemaire Subject: Main entry commas In-Reply-To: <199709270129.AA27899@world.std.com> I'm starting to index the second edition of a large technical book. I asked for a copy of the first edition and asked if the PE was happy with the index and she said, "We've never had any complaints." So I was looking over the index before I started and noticed that main entries with subentries were terminated with commas: mailboxes, archiving, 43 specifications, 46 messages, creating, 56 deleting, 58 editing, 59 I've never seen this before. I'd like several opinions about this ASAP: Do you like it? Is it good or OK indexing? Thanks, Sarah ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:09:06 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: Main entry commas At 03:02 PM 10/5/1997 -0400, Sarah H Lemaire wrote: >I've never seen this before. I'd like several opinions about this ASAP: Do >you like it? Is it good or OK indexing? I wouldn't do it myself...and I don't recall seeing many (if any) indexes that do this. I'm too lazy to check with Nancy M's book, but I bet she doesn't like it either. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 17:42:02 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Peg Mauer Subject: Re: Technical indexing In a message dated 97-10-05 12:24:31 EDT, you write: > I wanted to ask the technical indexers out there how they got started > in that niche. I am currently taking The Course, I have a BS Mech > Engineering, four years work experience as an engineer, and a MBA. I'm > interested in doing indexes in the engineering field and I was wondering > what the entry hurdles are for that. Hi Susan, I was a technical writer at a large corporation for many years before I went independent, took the USDA course, and became an indexer (and contract technical writer). I am a senior member of the Society for Technical Communication (STC), and have many contacts with STC members. Because of my technical background, computer science minor, and technical writing contacts, it was natural for me to write indexes for technical and computer-related books. When I told my contacts that I could write indexes, they said, "Thank God! I hate writing those indexes!" So, the moral of the story is network, network, network! Let your engineering contacts know that you are available to index their manuals; they'll probably hug you! Peg Mauer | http://members.aol.com/Pmauer/index.html Communication Link | phone: (518) 359-8616 Indexing, Technical Writing | fax: (518) 359-8235 PO Box 192 | co-leader of Western NY ASI chapter Piercefield, NY 12973 | Manager of STC Indexing SIG ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 17:52:39 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Locatelli@AOL.COM Subject: Re: directory error It was my assumption that information being provided on the Indexer Services listing form was being input into the ASI database for later output for the directory. I had no idea that was not done, especially as the office did hire someone to help with inputting information. I must remind everyone once more that ASI is a totally volunteer organization. While that does not excuse a publication with errors, I would point out that the committee spent many, many hours on this publication. I personally devoted about to 80-100 hours to overseeing the process and doing layout and design. That meant turning down work I did not have time for because of working on the directory. Have we learned from this process? Yes: we plan this time around to have individual listees proof their own listing. While it might not make the directory completely error-free, the responsibility will lie with each individual to make sure their listing is correct. I would also point out that in every case where there has been a significant error and the individual has spoken with me directly or through the ASI office, we have been able to make suitable arrangements in recompense. If you have a problem with something, talk to the person responsible, don't just bitch and moan to everyone else on this list. And if anyone thinks they can do a better job on the directory, you're welcome to it. Fred Leise Between the Lines Indexing and Editorial Services Chair, ASI Indexer Services Committee ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:03:14 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "D. C. Schroeder" Subject: Re: Lynn's condition Update On Lynn, Condition unchanged. I spoke with her this morning and she is scheduled for surgery on Wednesday. She was moved to: West Los Angeles V. A. Medical Center Wilshire and Satelle Blvds Los Angeles, CA. 90073 I haven't listed a room number because she is being moved to the telemetry floor today and will be in the Surgical ICU after the procedure. She tells me both of their monitors are in the shop for repairs so Bob has not been able to access e-mail for a few days. He will get back online as soon as he can. Dawn ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 15:56:13 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: directory error At 05:52 PM 10/5/1997 -0400, Locatelli@AOL.COM wrote: > >Have we learned from this process? Yes: we plan this time around to have >individual listees proof their own listing. While it might not make the >directory completely error-free, the responsibility will lie with each >individual to make sure their listing is correct. Great. This sounds like a reasonable way to assure fewer errors, and to make individuals more responsible for their own listings. >I would also point out that in every case where there has been a significant >error and the individual has spoken with me directly or through the ASI >office, we have been able to make suitable arrangements in recompense. This is also good news. >If you have a problem with something, talk to the person responsible, don't >just bitch and moan to everyone else on this list. Fred, I hate to differ with you, but IMO the list IS a good place to discuss this problem and possible solutions. When I've posted about this problem (I think only twice before this), I haven't "bitched and moaned"--I've asked for possible solutions and suggested ways the membership at large could help, including suggesting that members do their own inputting via a web page or email form. This is similar to your suggestion above. And it also should be obvious that if you have a fixable gripe you should contact ASI directly to get action...as several people have done. Overall ideas for improvement, though, seem like a reasonable topic for on-list discussion. >And if anyone thinks they can do a better job on the directory, you're >welcome to it. I'm most concerned with the Indexer Locator, renamed Indexer Services, rather than with the ASI directory, and I'm assuming that volunteers are needed for that as well. I'd be happy to help out next year, or whenever it's updated, and will write to ASI and tell them directly. However, my rough estimate shows approximately 280 listings in the Indexer Services book, which works out to somewhere around $14,000 in fees. That seems like enough money to assure at least some paid assistance with inputting, proofreading, and the like--but maybe I'm way off base. I think, though, that when people pay $50 for a listing, there are expectations about accuracy and timeliness that you don't have when the service is free. And I don't think that is unreasonable. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 06:47:20 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Wilkerson Subject: AOL Book Indexers Chat Don't forget tonight, Monday, October 6, 1997, 8:30 ....Book Indexers Chat. Susan ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 06:52:25 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Wilkerson Subject: ICQ Book Indexer Chat Tuesday, October 7, 8:00 P.M. Central Time .....ICQ Bookindexers Chat E-Mail me for info.....Bookindexr@aol.com Susan Wilkerson ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 07:23:59 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Shuttleworth Subject: AOL Book Indexers Chat Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: MTOWERY@AOL.COM Subject: ASI Heartland Fall Meeting The Heartland Chapter will hold "Synergy: The Editor-Indexer Relationship" (the chapter's fall meeting) on Saturday, October 25, 1997, at the Ramada Inn in Kokomo, Indiana (about 45 mins. north of Indy). Program: 9:30 Doors open (coffee, juice, danish) 10-11:30 Chapter business meeting (guests welcome) 11:30-12 Meeting registration 12-1:30 Luncheon roundtables (buffet) 1:30-2 Break 2-4 Editors' roundtable 4-5 Networking (refreshments) Editors in roundtable: Dan Kirklin, Hackett Publishing Company; Sandra Merz Bott, Human Kinetics; Leslie Keros, University of Chicago Press; and Johnna Van Hoose, Macmillan Computer Publishing Roundtable choices: Scholarly indexing, George and Mary Neumann; Subject areas in indexing, Margie Towery; Marketing your services, Joan Griffitts; Marking up proof, Sandy Topping; and Publicizing your business on the Web, Carolyn Sherayko Cost: Paid by Oct. 18: $45 (ASI members); $50 (nonmembers) At door: $50 $55 For more info and a brochure, contact Sandy Topping (219/465-3923; SCTopping@aol.com) or Marilyn Augst (765/463-9370; augstmf@gte.net). ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 09:00:28 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: AOL Book Indexers Chat At 06:47 AM 10/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >Don't forget tonight, Monday, October 6, 1997, 8:30 You need to be sure to specify what time zone you are using. Is that 8:30 Central? Dick ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 10:25:50 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Mark Dempsey Subject: Main entry commas -Reply Sarah Lemaire writes: >>> Sarah H Lemaire 10/05/97 03:02pm >>> I'm starting to index the second edition of a large technical book. I asked for a copy of the first edition and asked if the PE was happy with the index and she said, "We've never had any complaints." So I was looking over the index before I started and noticed that main entries with subentries were terminated with commas: mailboxes, archiving, 43 specifications, 46 messages, creating, 56 deleting, 58 editing, 59 I've never seen this before. I'd like several opinions about this ASAP: Do you like it? Is it good or OK indexing? Thanks, Sarah ************************** Don't judge the quality of the indexing only by the appearance of the entries. An index with an unfamiliar appearance could either be good or bad, depending on whether it provides index users with access to the materials covered by the index. If the appearance of the entries does not get in the way of providing access, then the appearance would be fine. Since they have "never had any complaints" about the index, seems that there would be no reason to worry about main entry commas. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:32:38 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Wilkerson Subject: Re: AOL Book Indexers Chat Yep....Central Time I will fix it....Thanks :-) Susan ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:34:10 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Wilkerson Subject: AOL Book Indexer Chat Correction Sorry That time for the AOL Book Indexer's Chat is 8:30 Central Time. If you need it for a specific time zone E-mail me. Susan ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 16:01:48 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Amy Harper Subject: WI ASI Chapter Fall Conference Registration This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCD271.26C1BE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ASI Wisconsin Chapter Fall Conference 1997 Featured Speaker Barbara Cohen "Intellectual Analysis in Indexing" Saturday, November 15 8:30 am-4:30 pm Mount Mary College 2900 N. Menomonee River Pkwy. Milwaukee, WI 53222 Conference Schedule 8:30 am Registration 9:00 am-noon Barbara Cohen: "Intellectual Analysis in Indexing" noon-1:00 pm Lunch 1:00-2:30 pm Meet the Editors Panel: Peace Kwiatek, Elizabeth Steinberg, Margaret Mahan, Chris Roerden, Carol Roberts (moderator) (Indexe rs, don't miss this opportunity to make some new contacts!) 2:30-2:45 pm Coffee break 2:45-3:45 pm Terri Hudoba and Suzanna Moody: "Skills Transfer: Raiding the Pantry" (applying indexing skills to a non-indexing project) 4:00 pm Business meeting and announcements The Speakers Barbara E. Cohen (ASI secretary 1993-1996; publicity coordinator 1995-1997) has been a freelance copy-editor and professional indexer since 1984, specializing in back-of-the-book indexing and cumulative indexing of periodicals in the social sciences and humanities. Indexers must quickly analyze the content of a book in order to create meaningful indexing entries, establish the relationship between similar and related terms, determine preferences between synonym terms, and create useful pathways between terms by means of cross-references. Barbara will discuss "good" versus "bad" indexing and the criteria for judging indexes, will introduce concepts of intellectual analysis, and will explain her method, using a detailed example from a straightforward book. Participants will then work in small groups on examples (please bring colored pencils or highlighters). We will meet together as a whole to discuss some of the issues encountered in applying the analysis methodology, to draw some conclusions, and to answer questions. Terri Hudoba is an indexer, editor, and proofreader with more than 20 years experience, working primarily with statutory law and public relations materials.. Peace Kwiatek is the index/frontmatter editor at McGraw-Hill's Higher Education Division. She works with undergraduate textbooks on business, education, the humanities, and technology. Margaret Mahan has worked at the University of Chicago Press since 1962, and is managing editor and supervisor of a department of fourteen. Suzanna Moody has worked for the past 10 years on a statutes and rules indexing project for the State Revisor's Office of Minnesota. Chris Roerden, M.A., provides award-winning editing services to publishers and authors. She is also president of MidAmerica Publishers Association. Elizabeth Steinberg is the assistant director and chief editor at the University of Wisconsin Press. She has been at the Press since 1961. Directions: From Rte. 45, take Burleigh Rd. exit (exit 43). Go east on Burleigh to 92nd St. and south on 92nd to the college entrance. Park in the visitor lot on the left, and go to Caroline Hall, which is to the left of the colonnade of arches. 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I have subscribed using a new e-mail address, and want to signoff from the previous one. I have tried the "signoff index-l first name last name (with my own first name and last name) and I get the following message: invalid option 'my first name'. I am sending the message with the subject line blank to: listserv@bingvmb.cc.binghamton.edu. What am I doing wrong? Thank you ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 18:29:21 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: Help with list message At 08:22 PM 10/6/1997 -0500, Helvetia Martell wrote: >Please forgive me for posting this message to this list, but I am not able >to signoff from the list. I have subscribed using a new e-mail address, and >want to signoff from the previous one. I have tried the "signoff index-l >first name last name (with my own first name and last name) and I get the >following message: invalid option 'my first name'. I am sending the message >with the subject line blank to: listserv@bingvmb.cc.binghamton.edu. What am >I doing wrong? You've got the right address...just be sure you have your signature line turned off so the message is unsigned. Don't write anything in the message body but: signoff index-l That's it...no name, no signature, no nothing. I think this ought to work. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:30:02 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Beverlee Day Subject: Transition to scholarly books Hello, I am in the beginning stages of pursuing a full time career of free-lance indexing, and I have started out with books for junior high level students. I have indexed approximately 7 books to date and I have found this to be a valuable experience. I thought this would be a good place to begin because I work in a school library. What I would actually like to do is index books on a more academic level. I have a degree in Philosophy and I contacted several publishers (by phone and by mail) that publish academic philosophy (and other areas in the humanities) books. As yet, I have not received any offers. My question is this: did I do the wrong thing by beginning with books that are at a "lower level?" How can I make that transition from indexing books for teens to books that are written for adults? Will academic publishers be less apt to trust me with a scholarly book because I have only indexed books for teens? I began my indexing endeavor last February. Am I expecting too much to think that I should have received a nice, fat, 300 page scholarly book by now?! Thanks for your input! Beverlee Day Guided by Words Professional Indexing bevday@eta.k12.mn.us ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:54:25 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Wilkerson Subject: AOL Book Indexer's chat Anyone wanting the log to last night's chat E-mail me. It was very interesting. Susan Wikerson Bookindexr@aolc.om ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 00:21:59 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "D. C. Schroeder" Subject: Re: Lynn's Surgery Lynn's surgery has been moved up one day to Tuesday, 7 October. I don't know the time but will try to contact the surgical ICU late tomorrow evening for a condition report. As soon as I get through, I will post to the list. Thanks to everyone for their support. Dawn ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:56:17 LCL Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Victoria Baker Subject: Re: Main entry commas In-Reply-To: <199710051903.MAA00131@pacific.net> Sarah--About commas following main entries in an indented-format (or hierarchical) index? It's not commonly done. But that is not the same as a question of good indexing. That is a style issue. If the house is not attached to the commas, I would suggest not including them in the new index. They are not functional (in meaning or design), and their removal will not harm the index. Best, Victoria vbaker@pacific.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 04:44:55 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Shuttleworth Subject: Re: Main entry commas The use of a comma between the heading (or subheading) and the = first page reference "used to be regarded as essential" (Indexing, The Art of, by G. Norman Knight); but Knight adds, "it is now = allowable to dispense with that comma and add an extra space". Since Knight's day this has become the norm, and BS 3700: 1988 says: "Punctuation is usually unnecessary between the last word or symbol of a heading or subheading and the location reference(s), but a comma or colon may be used in entries where confusion is likely without it, e.g. Vitamin B2, 76 or Vitamin B2: 76 (rather = than Vitamin B2 76). Dates immediately preceding the location reference(s) may be placed in parentheses." I don't know whether ISO 999 deals with this question as I haven't seen it, and Drusilla Calvert doesn't mention it in her excellent article "Deconstructing indexing standards" in The Indexer, Vol. 20, No. 2, October 1996, in which she compares the two standards. MACREX allows you to decide at the printing stage whether or not you want commas between the end of the entry and the first page number, regardless of whether you have already typed them for all, some or no entries. I never use them unless the client specifically asks me to do so, but I once had a fracas over an index where the author insisted that the only correct way was to use the comma. The hard copy, which had already been submitted, was returned to me and I was instructed to insert every comma by hand (the publisher did not trust the printer to follow a global instruction). It was a long index and it was amazing how long it took. I would have refused to do it but I thought I might not get paid if I refused. Christine *************************************************************************= * Christine Shuttleworth - Indexing and Editorial Services Flat 1, 25 St Stephen's Avenue, London W12 8JB Tel/Fax (+44 181) 749 8797 email ChristineShuttleworth@compuserve.com or 106234.1745@compuserve.com *************************************************************************= *= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:23:28 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Craig Brown Subject: Transition to scholarly books Beverlee Day asks >>did I do the wrong thing by beginning with books that are at a "lower level?<< Not necessarily. In fact I think you're ahead of the game to have gotten seven books of any kind since February. When you contact publishers by phone and by mail the optimum situation is that the editor you reach will just happen to have a book ready to be indexed. That happens quite seldom, but it does happen. More often your query will fall into one of two categories: either the publisher will discard it (perhaps they have a long list of indexers already or perhaps they simply don't consider indexing their books), or they will file it against a time when they need an indexer. If the latter it might be a year or longer before you hear from them. In the meatime, networking is probably one of the best ways to get a foot in the door. In fact, if you feel comfortable doing so, you might want to speak with one or more of the editors for whom you have worked. Good luck and keep us aware of your efforts. Craig Brown Index-L folk: please make a note of my new Internet address below. ===================================== The Last Word Indexing (314)352-9094 lastword@i1.net ===================================== ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:33:52 -0300 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nancy Anderman Guenther Subject: Help with medical terminology Hi, I'm getting back into medical indexing after several years of concentrating more on computers and other topics. I'm rusty on terminology & my medical dictionary isn't helping. The series of articles I'm indexing (different authors) use: vasculitic syndromes, vasculitides, vasculitis, Can some one tell me what is the relationship ? Thanks, Nancy Guenther nanguent@chesco.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:58:49 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Not Indexing [but useful] Hello, all-- I could not resist coming out of lurk mode to forward this; it's from an advertisement for a book on technical writing. The ad contains links to reviews, comments from users, etc., but the REAL gem is a list of links mentioned in the book, all of which are ACTIVE from the page! There are perhaps 100 in all. Have only tried out the "worst writing examples" entry, but it in itself leads to other wonders. http://www.topfloor.com/techwr/links.htm While I'm here may I offer my sympathy and concern to Lynn and her family and friends. Along with the rest of us I have enjoyed her professionalism, insights and humour during the past year or so. HANG IN THERE, LYNN! Dave Talcott ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:55:36 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Roberta Horowitz Subject: Re: Help with medical terminology In Medline the only term is Vasculitis. Medline is now available for free on the WWW, the URL is http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/PubMed/ You might find your answer there. Roberta Horowitz At 03:33 PM 10/7/97 -0300, you wrote: >Hi, > >I'm getting back into medical indexing after several years of >concentrating more on computers and other topics. I'm rusty on >terminology & my medical dictionary isn't helping. > >The series of articles I'm indexing (different authors) use: > > vasculitic syndromes, > vasculitides, > vasculitis, > >Can some one tell me what is the relationship ? > >Thanks, >Nancy Guenther >nanguent@chesco.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:17:29 PST8PDT Reply-To: alorek@capcollege.bc.ca Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Annette Lorek (2143)" Organization: Capilano College Subject: Journal indexing software Does anyone know of indexing software that incorporates a thesaurus which can be called up during the indexing process? This would be very useful for indexing back issues of journals where vocabulary consistency from one volume to the other is required. I currently use the DOS version of Cindex, but think it is more suited to stand-alone books. Any suggestions, with contact addresses or URLs would be very appreciated. Annette Lorek ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:19:11 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John and Kara Pekar Subject: Re: Lynn's Surgery Dawn, Thank you for your efforts to keep us posted on Lynn's condition. I'm sure all the prayers and good wishes from Index-Lers can do her nothing but good. She will certainly be in our prayers! Kara Pekar jkpekar@crosslink.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:14:57 PST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Hineman, Joe" Subject: Re: Help with medical terminology Nancy Guenther writes: "Can some one tell me what is the relationship [between] vasculitic syndromes, vasculitides, vasculitis,.." Vasculitides is the plural of vasculitis (Webster's Ninth New Collegiate) and "vasculitic" means pertaining to vasculitis (Dorland's Illus. Med. Dict., 28th ed). Dorland's has vasculitis as: inflammation of a vessel; angiitis Hope that helps, Joe Hineman Academic Press (journal indexer, mainly) jhineman@acad.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:21:12 +1100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Suzanne Eggins Subject: Society of Indexers (UK) Would anyone be able to forward to me an email address for the Society of Indexers (UK)? Or, failing that, a fax number? Many thanks, Suzanne Eggins