From: SMTP%"LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu" 1-JUL-1998 13:43:49.98 To: CIRJA02 CC: Subj: File: "INDEX-L LOG9804A" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:42:52 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB (1.8a) Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9804A" To: CIRJA02@GSVMS1.CC.GASOU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:44:31 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Healy Subject: Re: Not Attending the Seattle Conference? In-Reply-To: <199803311652.LAA32285@fn4.freenet.tlh.fl.us> Why doesn't ASI undertake videotaping conference proceedings and making those tapes available to members and nonmembers at the cost of production plus a little extra. Our indexing unit would love to attend to unfortunately our employer, the State of Florida, isn't going to pay for all of us to do so. The conferences are also held at the time of year that our production cycle really heats up. We simply could not afford the time to attend. Susan Healy Div. of Statutory Revision Fla. Legislature ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:11:39 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Nelsen Subject: Word indexing Hi everyone, I have 3 different 500-page books that are going to be coded and laid out in Word, and I'm trying to figure out the best way to compile the index. Recently someone posted instructions on how to create indexes from Word master documents. Does someone still have those instructions? If so I'd really appreciate receiving a copy. Also, if anyone has experience creating indexes from large Word files and has found a better way to do it than through the master document feature, I'd love to hear about it. TIA, Christine Nelsen ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:45:30 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Karen Lane Subject: UPDATE: Page proofs -- a moving target? Many thanks to all who contributed ideas on the "Page proofs -- a moving target?" thread: Robert A. Saigh, Pam Rider, Elizabeth W McCullough, Rachel Rice, Larry Baker, Sharon Wright, Jan C. Wright, Simon Cauchi, Noeline Bridge, Michael Schwilk, Carol Roberts, and one person who wrote to me privately and wishes to remain anonymous. If I've left anyone out, I'm sorry. The thread transmogrified into a "Word vs WordPerfect" discussion, and I didn't pay too much attention to who contributed to that one. I've benefited greatly from the discussion, particularly by seeing how a publisher might view the question (as distinct from the author or indexer). What I've decided to do is tell the author about the page reflows, since he was not aware of the problem. His next book will be published in a few months by the same publisher, and he has said he will ask the publisher to notify us if there are any changes after I have generated the index. Knowledge is power! :-) Thanks to all. This list is a great resource. I'm really looking forward to meeting many of you in person in Seattle. Karen Lane klane@digital.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:09:08 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Not Attending the Seattle Conference? At 10:44 AM 4/1/98 -0500, you wrote: >Why doesn't ASI undertake videotaping conference proceedings and making >those tapes available to members and nonmembers at the cost of production >plus a little extra. FWIW, this question used to come up when I was in corporate life. Unfortunately, such ad hoc presentations were not very useful. They follow the ebb and flow of the original event, which doesn't necessarily follow a path that meets the needs of the audience viewing a tape. Dick Evans ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:17:50 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Brackney Subject: refilling toner cartridges I'd like to learn how to do this for my little Okidata 400e so would appreciate anyone posting or reposting directions. Also, anyone have any idea how many refills cartridges may be good for? Thanks, Michael Brackney Indexing Service 134 Kathleen Way Grass Valley, CA 95945 530-272-7088 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:14:27 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Re: Not Attending the Seattle Conference? Susan Healy asked: Why doesn't ASI undertake videotaping conference proceedings and making those tapes available to members and nonmembers at the cost of production plus a little extra. I agree with Dick Evans. Video tapes, audio tapes, and/or papers are generally not a viable substitute for interactive presentations and workshops. And, besides that, if I had to manage anything else in addition to the gazillion conference planing responsibilities I already have, I would probably be ready for the men in the little white coats to come take me away! ;-) Happy indexing! .... Lori *********************************************************************** Lori Lathrop ---------->INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com Vice President/President-Elect, American Society of Indexers Lathrop Media Services, 7308-C East Independence Blvd., #316 Charlotte, NC 28227 / Phone: 704-531-0021 URL - http://idt.net/~lathro19 (note: that's a "nineteen" at the end) *********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:16:17 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michelle Dyerhurdon Subject: WP 6.1 indexing help Hello, Has anyone out there used WP 6.1 for Windows to do an index? I am in the process of doing just that. It was going along fine. I mark the terms I want and they appear in a heading drop-down box in the index toolbar. This way, when I use a term more then once, I just select it from the drop-down box. But all of a sudden, new terms I have added are not appearing in the drop-down box anymore. They are marked, and still appear in the index when it is generated, but I can't get them to display in the heading drop-down box. Has anyone else run into this problem? Is there a limit to the number of terms which will appear in the drop-down box? The heading drop-down box was a good way to keep track of which terms I used. Now, for any new terms I add, I need to write them down somewhere because they don't appear in the drop-down box, and there is no where else to check what terms I have already used. Thanks for any help! -Michelle Dyer mdyerhur@smtpgw.maricopa.gov ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:41:22 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: BECohen653 Subject: Re: Not Attending the Seattle Conference? Re: Taping ASI conference sessions ASI used to make audiotapes of the main conference sessions (not workshops, which are considered the property of the presenters), but these were not great sellers and the hassle of making them (and making them well) was not worth the expense or energy required. If ASI has an audiophile member interested in pursuing this, the Board would probably consider a proposal, however. I purchased a copy of a session I chaired in Montreal, and at the time I was told that 5 tapes (or thereabouts) had been sold that year. Not really worth the personnel, equipment costs, tape reproduction costs, etc. Not that I wasn't grateful to have a tape to make a transcript of my session, but I don't think it is that helpful to anyone buying it without the accompanying visuals! Barbara E. Cohen Indianapolis, IN ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:52:41 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pmauer Subject: Word Indexing Hi Christine, > Recently someone posted instructions on how to create indexes from > Word master documents. Does someone still have those instructions? If > so I'd really appreciate receiving a copy. Also, if anyone has > experience creating indexes from large Word files and has found a > better way to do it than through the master document feature, I'd love > to hear about it. I'm not sure what you mean by "master document feature," but I recently wrote an article about Embedded Indexing in Word. The article was published in the Jan/Feb 1998 issue of ASI's newsletter, KEYWORDS (page 14-15) and in the April 1998 issue of STC's magazine, Intercom (page 8-10). Hope this helps, Peg Mauer | Manager of STC Indexing SIG Communication Link | co-leader of Western NY ASI chapter Indexing, Technical Writing | phone: (518) 359-8616 Piercefield, NY 12973 | fax: (518) 359-8235 http://members.aol.com/Pmauer <-- See my award-winning web site! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:35:39 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Noeline Bridge Subject: Re: Not attending Seattle conference To add to what Dick has said about taping proceedings, we in Canada considered it for our last year's conference in Edmonton and rejected the idea. It's difficult even to get a product with good audibility; then you need to have someone there who is sufficiently knowledgeable--and dedicated enough--to spend all their time at this. From the speaker's point of view, it adds another dimension than that of the audience. Many speakers aren't comfortable knowing that they're to be taped or filmed. They have developed their material with a visible audience, an immediate occasion in mind; similarly, the questions from the audience, and the answers to the questions, are framed with only that occasion in mind. That spontaneity--fine at the time--can be awkward, even embarrassing on tape. A good videotaped product is usually carried out with only that intention in mind, and is rigorously edited--if not rehearsed beforehand. For our conference, we had designated people who took turns to make extensive notes of each presentation, we got copies of our speakers' notes, and then we put together a full report in our Bulletin. I think that this is the best way for everyone concerned. Noeline Bridge BRIDGEWORK nbridge@planet.eon.net 10979 123 Street Edmonton, AB T5M 0E1 Canada phone 403-452-8325 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:22:10 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman Subject: Videotaping? All, Videotaping *may* be an idea that ASI would want to consider ...... but ........ professional quality videotaping is expensive, and the product would have to be commensurately expensive while also being, as Dick said, of possibly lesser quality because they are so impromptu and ad hoc. I wonder .... would there be that much support for such a product? Let me hear from you if you think so. Private email OK. Just trying to get a feel for the demand for this product. How about audiotapes? Would that work? Thanks! Janet Perlman ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:15:24 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sarah H Lemaire Subject: Freelance Editorial Association (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:40:23 -0500 (EST) From: kramer To: Sarah H Lemaire Subject: Freelance Editorial Association The Freelance Editorial Association (FLEA), based in the Boston area, is a nonprofit organization that works to promote the interests of editorial freelancers, including copyeditors, desktop publishers, indexers, proofreaders, writers, and others. The benefits to members of this organization include * Listings in the print and online Yellow Pages, a publication used by many employers to locate quality freelancers * A Members' Network to answer questions about freelancing * Assistance of the Fair Practice Committee * A Code of Fair Practice, a guide to business relationships between freelancers and clients Last December, FLEA was in danger of dissolving because not enough people were willing to take leadership roles. I volunteered to serve as president and in the last three months, we've recruited many members to serve on the board of directors and help with FLEA activities. Our plans for the coming year include increasing the use of online communication, improving the FLEA Web site, scheduling house parties, and hosting workshops for freelancers. We plan to create more opportunities for FLEA members to connect with recruiters and other potential employers. We welcome ideas from members for ways to improve the organization and make it more relevant in today's business climate. Our immediate goal is to increase membership and help restore financial stability to FLEA. We welcome new members from all areas of the country. Membership in FLEA is especially helpful for freelancers who are just getting started as a freelancer. Writing, editing, and proofreading opportunities within the Association can enhance your resume, help you hone your editorial skills, and provide you with valuable personal contacts that can lead to job referrals. We hope you can join the Freelance Editorial Association as we head into the Millenium! To join, send $90 for 1998 dues to: Freelance Editorial Association, P.O. Box 380835, Cambridge, MA 02238-0835. For more information, contact me or Sarah Lemaire, Volunteer Coordinator, at shl@world.std.com. Eileen Kramer President, Freelance Editorial Association kramer@tiac.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:10:42 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: WordenDex Subject: BAEF job: indexer A writer/editor friend forwarded this message to me, and I thought it might interest all the computer indexers on the list: INDEXER We need someone who can index two approximately 100-pp software manuals using QuarkXpress 4.0, then complete the table of contents for each. One manual is a user's guide for the client side of our product; the other is an administrator's guide for the server side of the product. We're looking for someone experienced indexing software documentation who can quickly familiarize himself/herself with the terminology related to our product. I expect to have the user's guide ready to hand off sometime this week. The admin guide, sometime next week. Ideally, you'd be abe to turn around each in a day or two at the most. Please email me with your qualifications, availability, and contact informtion. Also, it would be helpful if you could explain your method for determining what this service will cost us (per page, per hour, or what have you). Please send your email to me at *both* addresses, below. Thanks. Carl Montgomery carlm@marketfirst.com cmontgo@idiom.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:08:02 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nmbenton Subject: Re: Videotaping? I'd pay the price of attendance for professionally produced videotapes. Nell Benton Indexer Congressional Quarterly ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:47:32 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lillian Mesner Subject: Re: Videotaping? Hi Janet and everyone, I'm one who's chomping at the bit because I can't go to Seattle (I was at W-S last year), because I'm still gainfully employed and engaged in moving two libraries. When I saw the question about video taping I reacted the same way Janet did. This would be expensive and we would have to, at the very least, break even on it. I think the idea should possibly be considered and investigated by future planners. However, I've been collecting audiotapes at Special Libraries Association meetings for year, because we can't get to everything we want to attend due to scheduling conflicts. These work very well for me unless the presentation was a "high-visual" one like slides or Powerpoint, etc. I would definitely buy the audio tapes because that's as close as I'm going to get this year. Lil Mesner At 10:22 AM 4/2/98 EST, you wrote: >All, > >Videotaping *may* be an idea that ASI would want to consider ...... but >........ professional quality videotaping is expensive, and the product would >have to be commensurately expensive while also being, as Dick said, of >possibly lesser quality because they are so impromptu and ad hoc. > >I wonder .... would there be that much support for such a product? Let me >hear from you if you think so. Private email OK. Just trying to get a feel >for the demand for this product. How about audiotapes? Would that work? > >Thanks! > >Janet Perlman > > **************************************************************************** Lillian R. Mesner Lexington, KY 40546-0091 Technical Services Librarian Phone: 606-257-2758 Agricultural Library Fax: 606-323-4719 University of Kentucky Internet: lmesner@pop.uky.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:53:09 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: CGWeaver Subject: Re: Videotaping? In a message dated 98-04-03 08:56:13 EST, you write: << Videotaping *may* be an idea that ASI would want to consider ...... but ........ professional quality videotaping is expensive, and the product would have to be commensurately expensive while also being, as Dick said, of possibly lesser quality because they are so impromptu and ad hoc. I wonder .... would there be that much support for such a product? Let me hear from you if you think so. Private email OK. Just trying to get a feel for the demand for this product. How about audiotapes? Would that work? >> IMHO, videotaping is not worthwhile unless the output is professionally edited -- which I expect is beyond the resources of the association at this point. But I would certainly advocate audiotaping of general sessions. The tapes usually sell for a reasonable amount, and you can buy only the ones you're interested in. Carolyn Weaver Bellevue, WA ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:12:19 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: SHughes512 Subject: Re: Videotaping the sessions We've used videotaping of educational sessions. The results are a good record of the proceedings. But, they are not usually good enough to market as an educational tool. The result is more like visual minutes of a meeting. The presenters haven't prepared their talks for this medium. The lighting is often substandard and the noises from the room are distracting. If they were used as a substitute for attendance at the meeting, the presenters would be faced with an inferior sample of their talks being distributed to their potential customers. They would have to keep the copyright. It opens a whole can of worms. Sharon ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:07:17 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Not Attending the Seattle Conference? In-Reply-To: <199804031358.HAA10743@mixcom.mixcom.com> >Susan Healy asked: > > Why doesn't ASI undertake videotaping conference proceedings > and making those tapes available to members and nonmembers > at the cost of production plus a little extra. There's also the issue of whether speakers *want* the talks they've put so much work into widely distributed, for just over cost. After all, some speakers earn part of their living by doing on-site presentations for a fee. I would suggest that any business or other organization that can't afford to send people to the annual ASI conference get in touch with ASI to obtain a list of available speakers. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer http://www.mixweb.com/Roberts.Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:11:32 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Edith Fuller Subject: Re: Not attending Seattle conference In-Reply-To: <199804031356.FAA01330@smtp2.teleport.com> Is it the cost of the conference itself, or transport/airfare, or the cost of housing that's keeping people away? I blanched at the thought of $135 per night at the conference hotel, and got myself a room at the YMCA, across from Seattle Public Library and only a few blocks from Cavanaughs. Edith M. Fuller efuller@teleport.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:35:16 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marie & Steve Rizzo Subject: Re: Videotaping the sessions As someone who is (unfortunately) not going to Seattle, I feel that a summary of the proceedings, in outline form perhaps, would suit my needs. I don't think videotape would be worth the trouble and expense. Audiotape makes more sense. Another possibility might be to use some of the online chats to have one or several people review the proceedings for those of us who can't attend. Just a thought. Marie Rizzo SHughes512 wrote: > We've used videotaping of educational sessions. The results are a good record > of the proceedings. But, they are not usually good enough to market as an > educational tool. The result is more like visual minutes of a meeting. The > presenters haven't prepared their talks for this medium. The lighting is > often substandard and the noises from the room are distracting. If they were > used as a substitute for attendance at the meeting, the presenters would be > faced with an inferior sample of their talks being distributed to their > potential customers. They would have to keep the copyright. It opens a whole > can of worms. > Sharon ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:29:09 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: Videotaping? The only time I think videotaping would be sufficiently superior to warrant the cost would be for hands-on demos of software, etc.--and unfortunately, doing that sort of thing right is even more expensive and complex than simply videotaping a speaker. Otherwise, audiotapes would work for me...as well as an accurate transcript of the proceedings. In fact, I'd probably use (and reuse) a paper rendition more than any other (unless it was a demo and I needed to rerun it several times to get the hang of whatever features were being shown). =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:39:30 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: New Frontiers in Indexing All -- Two more roundtables for this year's conference are full: Negotiating with Editors - Carol Roberts Web Site Design and Management - Kari Bero The following still have a few seats available: Why Should Indexers Have Web Sites? - Gerry Van Ravenswaay Productivity Tips: Juggling Freelancing with a Life - Sandi Schroeder Database Indexing - Max McMaster Educational Resources for Indexers - Maryann Corbett Indexing Computer Books with SkyIndexPro - Richard Shrout Marketing, Marketing, Marketing! - Kay Kutscha Schlembach and Joanne Clendenen What Does the Salary Survey Say About Us? - Sandi Schroeder The Value of Networking - Marilyn Rowland Mentoring Relationships - Ann Norcross and Dick Evans Legal Indexing for Beginners - Brooke Graves Legal Indexing for Intermediates - Maryann Corbett When to Break the Rules! - Fred Leise Whither the Wilson Award? - Kate Mertes For more info on this year's conference, which ASI is celebrating with IASC, please visit the ASI Web Site (http://www.well.com/user/asi/) or send an e-mail message to me (*not* to INDEX-L, please). Looking forward to seeing you in Seattle! .... Lori *********************************************************************** Lori Lathrop ---------->INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com Vice President/President-Elect, American Society of Indexers Lathrop Media Services, 7308-C East Independence Blvd., #316 Charlotte, NC 28227 / Phone: 704-531-0021 URL - http://idt.net/~lathro19 (note: that's a "nineteen" at the end) *********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:32:34 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cheryl Mcduffie Subject: Re: Videotaping? In-Reply-To: <199804031704.MAA27820@freenet-mail.buffalo.edu> On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, CGWeaver wrote: You may want to look into the facilities of one of the local colleges. Some colleges have videotape production crews and facilities that "hire out". Their cost is usually much cheaper than the "professionals", and, the quality is generally quite good. Otherwise, I'd look into the possibility of getting corporate sponsorship for videotaping the procedings. Cheryl McDuffie BJ134@freenet.buffalo.edu > Videotaping *may* be an idea that ASI would want to consider ...... but > ........ professional quality videotaping is expensive, and the product would > have to be commensurately expensive while also being, as Dick said, of > possibly lesser quality because they are so impromptu and ad hoc. > > IMHO, videotaping is not worthwhile unless the output is professionally edited > -- which I expect is beyond the resources of the association at this point. > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:40:14 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: James W Jordan Subject: Re: Freelance Editorial Association (fwd) Thank you for this information. I will consider it. ============================================ James W. Jordan Jordan Indexing 207-878-5907 (voice or fax) 824 Stevens Ave, Portland, ME 04103 jordex@juno.com Moving to: jjor@agate.net after April 10, 1998 ============================================ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:23:59 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: EMickiT Subject: Re: Not attending Seattle conference In a message dated 98-04-03 14:38:23 EST, you write: << Is it the cost of the conference itself, or transport/airfare, or the cost of housing that's keeping people away? >> All three. I am going anyway, but for three days instead of four, and taking fewer seminars. I am hoping to catch a good airfare by checking prices on AOL's travel section frequently. Thanks very much for the tip on the YMCA. I had planned to check the Internet for hotels in the area tonight. There are wonderful Internet directories that find businesses by area and point them out on a map. I'll copy the URLs and if anyone wants them, please e-mail me. Erin (Micki) Taylor ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:08:10 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: Jeopardy Does anyone know the indexer who is currently cleaning up on Jeopardy? I can't think of his name but he's from Maine. He's going for his 5th win on Monday. Indexer from Jeopardy, are you here? You did great! Keep up the good work. It was good PR for us, too. Rachel Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:59:12 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Jeopardy At 10:08 AM 4/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >Does anyone know the indexer who is currently cleaning up on Jeopardy? I >can't think of his name but he's from Maine. He's going for his 5th win on >Monday. Indexer from Jeopardy, are you here? You did great! Keep up the >good work. It was good PR for us, too. > I seem to recall his name was something like Peter Healy. He said he was an index editor and works on some legal database. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:08:59 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: CorofinInd Subject: Re: Jeopardy > >Does anyone know the indexer who is currently cleaning up on Jeopardy? I > >can't think of his name but he's from Maine. No, he's not. He's from Concord, California. He had a big write up in the Contra Costa Times, but it didn't identify his employer. Janet Russell ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 08:26:21 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jeri Lee Subject: Re: WP 6.1 indexing help One suggestion: Create a second document with your terms alphabetized, and switch back and forth. Not as handy, but you're not hunting for an elusive piece of paper. Michelle Dyerhurdon wrote: > > Hello, > > Has anyone out there used WP 6.1 for Windows to do an index? I am in > the process of doing just that. It was going along fine. I mark the terms I > want and they appear in a heading drop-down box in the index toolbar. > This way, when I use a term more then once, I just select it from the > drop-down box. But all of a sudden, new terms I have added are not > appearing in the drop-down box anymore. They are marked, and still > appear in the index when it is generated, but I can't get them to display in > the heading drop-down box. Has anyone else run into this > problem? Is there a limit to the number of terms which will appear in the > drop-down box? The heading drop-down box was a good way to keep > track of which terms I used. Now, for any new terms I add, I need to > write them down somewhere because they don't appear in the > drop-down box, and there is no where else to check what terms I have > already used. > > Thanks for any help! > > -Michelle Dyer > mdyerhur@smtpgw.maricopa.gov ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:35:07 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman Subject: Workshop proceedings All, Thanks to all who sent me email both to Index-L and privately re having a record of talks at the workshop. The responses told me that there would be interest in some form of proceedings or taped versions for the future. There are no plans for either audio or videotaping for Seattle. But the needs of those who cannot attend the conference, or who want a more permanent record of sessions attended, is duly noted. There is obviously some interest out there. Perhaps in the future ASI can make something available in response. Thanks again! Janet Perlman ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:51:07 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Not attending Seattle conference > ><< Is it the cost of the conference itself, or transport/airfare, or the cost > of housing that's keeping people away? >> > FWIW, I would prefer to see future conferences in cheaper accomodations, even if it meant being a bit on the outskirts of the host site. When we were planning last year's conference for here in NC I recall we discussed $100 per night as being a barrier, and now we're at $135. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:24:48 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Victoria Baker Subject: Re: Not attending Seattle conference In-Reply-To: <199804041752.JAA13130@pacific.net> Dick wrote: >><< Is it the cost of the conference itself, or transport/airfare, or the cost >> of housing that's keeping people away? >> >> > >FWIW, I would prefer to see future conferences in cheaper accomodations, >even if it meant being a bit on the outskirts of the host site. When we >were planning last year's conference for here in NC I recall we discussed >$100 per night as being a barrier, and now we're at $135. Yes, I couldn't even begin to think of a room at the Cavanaugh. Even sharing a room seemed prohibitive to me. I found a hotel about 7 blocks away, and I found a coupon that gives me a great discount. But there is a place called the Green Tortoise Guesthouse that is $40/night, which is 6 blocks away. It has shared bathrooms though. Phone number is 206/340-1222, if anyone's interested. I figure if I have to get in and out of my hotel at night by cab, the ride is short enough that I'll still be way ahead. But, it is a lot more fun and convenient to go to a conference and stay at the host hotel. To that end, I personally would prefer more modest surroundings. --Victoria ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 13:02:36 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Roberta Horowitz Subject: Re: Not attending Seattle conference I would agree that hotel costs are a problem for many professional organizations. One thing to consider when moving to the outskirts is to make sure the hotel is within walking distances (or have a shuttle available) of restaurants. I have gone to conferences where to save money the hotel was on the outskirts but with no eating places nearby forcing you to the overpriced hotel restaurants or a cab ride. These items offset the hotel savings. Roberta Horowitz At 12:51 PM 4/4/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >><< Is it the cost of the conference itself, or transport/airfare, or the cost >> of housing that's keeping people away? >> >> > >FWIW, I would prefer to see future conferences in cheaper accomodations, >even if it meant being a bit on the outskirts of the host site. When we >were planning last year's conference for here in NC I recall we discussed >$100 per night as being a barrier, and now we're at $135. > >Dick > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 17:10:30 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Re: Not attending Seattle conference I would like to throw in a note along with Edith's query. Many conferences are held this time of year in San Francisco covering the computer field, broadcasting, imaging and the like. I of course cannot afford the $250-1000 costs to attend these blowouts, but many of the mailings list local accomodation prices. Unless one stays at the Mark Hopkins or simlar posh hotel -- none of them near the Conference -- the prices that I recollect were much lower than the $135 mentioned during this discussion. This is really a rhetorical question, but am I wrong or does such a difference reflect demographics: San Francisco vs Seattle, California vs Washington, or something else? Cheers, dllt ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 18:39:54 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: New Frontiers in Indexing All -- Just another quick update on the status of roundtables in Seattle. Indexing Technical Documents hosted by Dick Evans is now full. There are still a few seats available for: Why Should Indexers Have Web Sites? - Gerry Van Ravenswaay Productivity Tips: Juggling Freelancing with a Life - Sandi Schroeder Database Indexing - Max McMaster Educational Resources for Indexers - Maryann Corbett Indexing Computer Books - Richard Shrout Marketing, Marketing, Marketing! - Kay Kutscha Schlembach and Joanne Clendenen What Does the Salary Survey Say About Us? - Sandi Schroeder The Value of Networking - Marilyn Rowland Mentoring Relationships - Ann Norcross and Dick Evans Legal Indexing for Beginners - Brooke Graves Legal Indexing for Intermediates - Maryann Corbett When to Break the Rules! - Fred Leise Whither the Wilson Award? - Kate Mertes For more info on this year's conference, which ASI is celebrating with IASC, please visit the ASI Web Site (http://www.well.com/user/asi/) or send an e-mail message to me (*not* to INDEX-L, please). Looking forward to seeing you in Seattle! .... Lori *********************************************************************** Lori Lathrop ---------->INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com Vice President/President-Elect, American Society of Indexers Lathrop Media Services, 7308-C East Independence Blvd., #316 Charlotte, NC 28227 / Phone: 704-531-0021 URL - http://idt.net/~lathro19 (note: that's a "nineteen" at the end) *********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 10:03:17 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Alan Walker Subject: Videotaping? All, Videotaping *may* be an idea that ASI would want to consider ...... but ........ professional quality videotaping is expensive, and the product would have to be commensurately expensive while also being, as Dick said, of possibly lesser quality because they are so impromptu and ad hoc. I wonder .... would there be that much support for such a product? Let me hear from you if you think so. Private email OK. Just trying to get a feel for the demand for this product. How about audiotapes? Would that work? Thanks! Janet Perlman **************************************************************** Alan Walker, Indexer President, Australian Society of Indexers 10 Rockwall Crescent, Potts Point, NSW, Australia 2011 Tel: +61 2 9368 0174 +61 2 9368 0176 Fax: +61 2 9358 5593 Email: alan.walker@s054.aone.net.au **************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:49:28 -0800 Reply-To: indexer@ibm.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Sherry L. Smith" Subject: Re: Videotaping the sessions On a very light note........ >They would have to keep the copyright. It opens a whole > can of worms. Has anyone ever wondered why it's not a box of bugs or a jar of jellyfish or........ Sherry Sherry L Smith INDEXING SERVICES 1208 NW 13th St. Bend, OR 97701 541 382 6414 indexer@ibm.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 16:05:07 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jeri Lee Subject: Re: Workshop proceedings Janet and list: One of the many twists and turns in my career included electronic court reporting which is the same as this type of audiotaping. I worked through two agencies: Gee, Green, Anderson in Seattle, and Vera Harris in Portland. Either (or both) may be willing to provide recording services and duplicate the tapes, and if priced right, could be a bit of a fundraiser for ASI. Of course the issue of royalties for the speakers would have to be negotiated, and other details worked out, but I know it was a tough choice which seminar to attend, and I'd love the chance to buy tapes from a couple of others. If you want, I can touch base with them and see what prices would run. Jeri Lee JPerlman wrote: > > All, > > Thanks to all who sent me email both to Index-L and privately re having a > record of talks at the workshop. The responses told me that there would be > interest in some form of proceedings or taped versions for the future. > > There are no plans for either audio or videotaping for Seattle. But the needs > of those who cannot attend the conference, or who want a more permanent record > of sessions attended, is duly noted. > > There is obviously some interest out there. Perhaps in the future ASI can > make something available in response. > > Thanks again! > Janet Perlman ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:55:55 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Conference hotel All -- I have been following the discussion about the cost of this year's conference hotel. I was *not* on the ASI Board when it decided to hold this year's annual conference at Cavanaugh's Inn in Seattle. When I became Vice President/President-Elect last year, I knew that there would probably be some people whining and grumbling about the room rate because it is higher than hotels ASI has used for previous conferences. That is precisely what motivated me to plan the best selection of general session presentations, pre-conference and post-conference workshops, and roundtables that ASI has ever had. In short, I wanted to be sure that this year's conference provided selections and more "bang for the buck" than previous conferences. My goal is that attendees at this year's annual conference will leave Seattle feeling that they gained new knowledge and new indexing skills. I believe that the variety of selections in this year's conference provides something for everyone, whether they are new to indexing or seasoned professionals. To repeat the quote from Alvin Toffler that appears on the front of the conference brochure: The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn. That's what this year's conference is all about! Back to the conference hotel ... Cavanaugh's Inn is in the center of downtown Seattle. A variety of tourist attractions, excellent restaurants, theatres, art museums, the monorail, and the harbor are within eaxy walking distance. Lori *********************************************************************** Lori Lathrop ---------->INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com Vice President/President-Elect, American Society of Indexers Lathrop Media Services, 7308-C East Independence Blvd., #316 Charlotte, NC 28227 / Phone: 704-531-0021 URL - http://idt.net/~lathro19 (note: that's a "nineteen" at the end) *********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:55:52 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Your posting on INDEX-L In response to Jeri Lee (jlee@eskimo.com) ... I am the one responsible for planning this year's ASI Annual Conference in Seattle. (Janet Perlman will be responsible for planning next year's conference.) I saw your posting re Workshop Proceedings, and I wanted to let you know that you should not follow up with your sources about videotaping presentations at this year's conference in Seattle. We will not be videotaping any presentations. As several others on INDEX-L have already mentioned, there are copyright issues to consider as well as the fact that most presenters would not want their presentations to be videotaped. I know of several presenters who would not have agreed to be presenters this year if they thought we would videotape their presentations. Also, of course, the expenses involved in producing professional videotapes would, no doubt, be far more than the revenue we might gain from selling the tapes. I am hoping we can put this whole discussion about videotapes to rest. There really is no point in campaigning for it to happen in Seattle. Lori *********************************************************************** Lori Lathrop ---------->INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com Vice President/President-Elect, American Society of Indexers Lathrop Media Services, 7308-C East Independence Blvd., #316 Charlotte, NC 28227 / Phone: 704-531-0021 URL - http://idt.net/~lathro19 (note: that's a "nineteen" at the end) *********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:26:12 -0700 Reply-To: kpaparchontis@worldnet.att.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kathy Paparchontis Subject: manual indexing Hell-o all, I am working on my second index--and it is for a manual for a museum collections software program. My field is humanitites--hist, arch, etc. Is there any source that can help me? (Choosing subheadings, etc.) I've already consulted the Mulvany book. I looked over the list of ASI publications. Thanks to everyone in advance. Kathy Paparchonits kpaparchontis@worldnet.att.net I only have one week to do this! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 16:51:24 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Michael C. Rossa" Subject: Re: manual indexing In-Reply-To: <199804052038.PAA15146@centurion.flash.net> Kathy, If you just have one week, you might go to the nearest large bookstore (or library for perhaps less current manuals) and study the indexes in a variety of computer books. You can rapidly get an idea of current indexing styles in the computer documentation field. For more thorough reference and training, I know others will steer you to good sources. Indexers such as Susan Holbert and Lori Lathrop give seminars and workshops on indexing user manuals and other technical documentation. Good luck, Mike At 01:26 PM 4/5/98 -0700, you wrote: >Hell-o all, > >I am working on my second index--and it is for a >manual for a museum collections software program. >My field is humanitites--hist, arch, etc. > >Is there any source that can help me? (Choosing >subheadings, etc.) I've already consulted the Mulvany >book. I looked over the list of ASI publications. > >Thanks to everyone in advance. >Kathy Paparchonits >kpaparchontis@worldnet.att.net > >I only have one week to do this! > > * * * * * * * * * * Michael C. Rossa Allied Editorial (972) 267-2537 (972) 267-2538 Fax rossa@flash.net UIN 3949301 * * * * * * * * * * "All my life I've wanted to be someone. Now, who the hell was it?" -- Steven Gould ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:47:03 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Ranjit S. Sahai" Subject: Web Site Indexing Hi everyone, First let me introduce myself. My name is Manjit K. Sahai. I have been = indexing books since June 97. I have indexed few books so far. I = consider myself pretty new. Mostly I am a lurker for INDEX-L and I have = learnt a lot of indexing tips as well as business tips. Thanks to all. For the last 2 months I have been doing lots of marketing. A potential = client has asked me to bid on an index for their web site. Theri web = site is 33 pages. I have following questions. 1...when you do the web site indexing, do you get the content in the = form of hard copy or on disc from the client or do you print on your = own? 2...what is the going rate for web site indexing? do you charge by the = page or by the hour? 3...do you first create the index in Macrex/Cindex etc and the HTML = coding/tagging is to be done by the Publisher?=A0 or do you also do the = HTML coding/tagging etc.? The major concern for my potential client is how to keep their site = index updated every time they add new content to their web site. so my = last question is... 4...do you update the index of the client or do the publishers manage on = thier own for keeping the info. current on their site. Any help on these questions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Mrs. Manjit K. Sahai RAM Indexing Services Sterling, VA ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:32:58 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sahai Subject: Re: Web Site Indexing Hi Everyone, I had posted the original message about web site indexing from my husband's computer not realizing that his name (RANJIT S. SAHAI) and email address would show up. If replying via email, please use my address shown below instead. Sahai-Co@msn.com Thanks a lot. Mrs. Manjit K. Sahai ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:12:19 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nmbenton Subject: Re: Your posting on INDEX-L Since I can't come, I would be willing to pay the price of admission plus costs for a recording. (My personal preference is print but audio and videotapes are also good.) Re another thread, if you have a meeting in the Washington DC area I'll volunteer to put someone up. Nell Benton Congressional Quarterly ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:22:41 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nmbenton Subject: Re: Web Site Indexing Hi, I am Nell Benton and I work at Congressional Quarterly in DC. Website indexing seems to be cutting-edge issue. The ASI website may give you a little guidance. (I don't remember the address offhand but if you are unfamiliar with it I will find it again for both of us.) I am working very closely with the editors and the computer people at CQ to craft a good approach to the problem. CQ established a good reputation publishing reference books but have moved many of their products to the web. I would like to do web indexing and print product indexing without duplicating effort. It is much easier in theory... Nell Benton (703) 683-5091 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:23:35 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Stephen E. Bach" Subject: Accommadations in Seattle >... But there is a >place called the Green Tortoise Guesthouse that is $40/night, which is 6 >blocks away. It has shared bathrooms though. Phone number is >206/340-1222, if anyone's interested. FYI According to the recently published, _Hostel U.S.A._, by Evan Halper and Paul Karr (Globe Pequot Press, Old Saybrook, CT, 1998), this hostel has recently moved to brand new quarters at 1525 Second Ave., Seattle 98101. Rates: $10 - $14/person; $30 - $39 for private rooms. For those prices they include free breakfasts of eggs and muffins, a FunKard (good for discounts at local merchants), free incoming fax service. They'll pick you up from Amtrak, Greyhound, or "anywhere else downtown," too. Free tours, storage, and lockers. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 00:17:05 -0400 Reply-To: brocindx@catskill.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin A. Broccoli" Organization: Broccoli Indexing Services Subject: Re: Web Site Indexing Ranjit S. Sahai wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > First let me introduce myself. My name is Manjit K. Sahai. I have been = > indexing books since June 97. I have indexed few books so far. I = > consider myself pretty new. Mostly I am a lurker for INDEX-L and I have = > learnt a lot of indexing tips as well as business tips. Thanks to all. > > For the last 2 months I have been doing lots of marketing. A potential = > client has asked me to bid on an index for their web site. Theri web = > site is 33 pages. I have following questions. > > 1...when you do the web site indexing, do you get the content in the = > form of hard copy or on disc from the client or do you print on your = > own? > > 2...what is the going rate for web site indexing? do you charge by the = > page or by the hour? > > 3...do you first create the index in Macrex/Cindex etc and the HTML = > coding/tagging is to be done by the Publisher?=A0 or do you also do the = > HTML coding/tagging etc.? > > The major concern for my potential client is how to keep their site = > index updated every time they add new content to their web site. so my = > last question is... > > 4...do you update the index of the client or do the publishers manage on = > thier own for keeping the info. current on their site. > > Any help on these questions would be appreciated. > > Thanks in advance > > Mrs. Manjit K. Sahai > RAM Indexing Services > Sterling, VA Mr. Sahai: Hope the following is of help an answering your questions: (1) The best thing to do is either index while online connected to their site, or even better- use a program called WebWacker to save their whole web site to your hard drive & then index at your leisure. (2) Safer to charge by the hour. Start with the going rate for book indexes & then charge additional if you are making it an HTML index with all of the links, etc. Depends too (as always) on the subject matter, complexity, depth of indexing, etc. (3) Create the index in Macrex/Cindex, then make into a word processor file. Use a tool called Webix to put in the hyperlinks, and an HTML editor such as HTML Writer to polish it up (edit). (4) Better for you to update it- imagine them adding on to your index! In regards to #3, you could offer just the index for them to make the links, or you could make the index an HTML index- depends what they want & how much they're willing to pay. Please e-mail me regarding the programs that you may want to use that I mentioned. I'll get you the URL's for reviewing them. I also have more info on procedure & info on a course you can take for training in web indexing. Kevin A. Broccoli Broccoli Information Management brocindx@catskill.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:27:20 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Victoria Baker Subject: Re: Conference hotel In-Reply-To: <199804051600.JAA13985@pacific.net> I want to make it clear that the annual conference has been, for me, completely worth the expense and effort it takes. I'm very glad to be going this year, and hope I may never miss another. That said, I'm just not a person who spends that kind of money on accomodations, so, I deal with being offsite. It's all worth it. Just, if there was a choice in the future, I'd vote for more accessible. Anyone out there wondering if the annual conference is worth attending -- it is, many times over. --Victoria ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 06:52:00 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Betty James Subject: Re: Conference hotel ------ =_WT21224.3528b506.0a0/iris.westpub.com Content-Type: text/plain; name="Authorized by..."; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Authorized by..." Message authorized by: : 76620.456@COMPUSERVE.COM at INTERNET ------ =_WT21224.3528b506.0a0/iris.westpub.com Lori, I am thrilled that the decision was made to stay in the downtown area. I thoroughly believe the better accommodations make the better conference, not to mention being able to walk to good restaurants and do some sight-seeing without renting a car. Any extra expense is more than made up by having those advantages. Look forward to seeing you there! Betty James WEST GROUP betty.james@westgroup.com (716)546-5530 ext. 3680 50 East Broad St. Rochester, NY 14694 ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Conference hotel Author: INDEX-L@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU at INTERNET Date: 4/5/98 11:01 AM All -- I have been following the discussion about the cost of this year's conference hotel. I was *not* on the ASI Board when it decided to hold this year's annual conference at Cavanaugh's Inn in Seattle. When I became Vice President/President-Elect last year, I knew that there would probably be some people whining and grumbling about the room rate because it is higher than hotels ASI has used for previous conferences. That is precisely what motivated me to plan the best selection of general session presentations, pre-conference and post-conference workshops, and roundtables that ASI has ever had. In short, I wanted to be sure that this year's conference provided selections and more "bang for the buck" than previous conferences. My goal is that attendees at this year's annual conference will leave Seattle feeling that they gained new knowledge and new indexing skills. I believe that the variety of selections in this year's conference provides something for everyone, whether they are new to indexing or seasoned professionals. To repeat the quote from Alvin Toffler that appears on the front of the conference brochure: The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn. That's what this year's conference is all about! Back to the conference hotel ... Cavanaugh's Inn is in the center of downtown Seattle. A variety of tourist attractions, excellent restaurants, theatres, art museums, the monorail, and the harbor are within eaxy walking distance. Lori *********************************************************************** Lori Lathrop ---------->INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com Vice President/President-Elect, American Society of Indexers Lathrop Media Services, 7308-C East Independence Blvd., #316 Charlotte, NC 28227 / Phone: 704-531-0021 URL - http://idt.net/~lathro19 (note: that's a "nineteen" at the end) *********************************************************************** ------ =_WT21224.3528b506.0a0/iris.westpub.com-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 06:32:21 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Melanie Cline Organization: MailCity (http://www.mailcity.com:80) Subject: Re: Accommadations in Seattle I stayed at the YWCA last year for the SLA conference. I think it's about 4 or 5 blocks away. I paid $32/night - that was the price for 6 or more days I think. I had a private room and private bath. Not a hotel, but not bad, and only for women. Melanie Cline Get your FREE, private e-mail account at http://www.mailcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:53:21 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Snedrow Subject: Re: manual indexing Hi Kathy, I've been a freelance indexer since 1991, and have created many book and periodical indexes, but have had the opportunity to index only about five software manuals and to review the indexes to a few others. When I have indexed such manuals, I've found the following two sources to be useful: Read Me First: A Style Guide for the Computer Industry, by Sun Technical Publications, published by Prentice Hall, 1996, ISBN 0-13-455347-0 (first mentioned on this list by Lori Lathrop soon after it was published--thanks, Lori!) AND How to Communicate Technical Information: A Handbook of Software and Hardware Documentation, by Jonathan Price and Henry Korman, published by The Benjamin/Cummings Publishing Company, 1993, ISBN 0-8053-6829-9 Also, of course, there are those people on this list who have had extensive experience with such publications and are an invaluable resource. Good luck! Sue Nedrow ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:28:02 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lindsay Gower Subject: Re: Conference hotel In-Reply-To: <199804051600.JAA04311@firewall.persistence.com> Having in a previous career worked as a meeting planner, I can say that $135 a night is a good price for a good accomodation. Sometimes we forget three key factors: * You pay other expenses if you room in a less expensive hotel. Last year at STC I was a 10 minute walk from the main hotel -- the weather was good or I would have had to pay for cabs. Continental breakfast was served at the main hotel, so I either had to get up extra early to get there in time for the food, or buy my own breakfast. * Less expensive hotels are often in "variable" neighborhoods and have poor internal security. I once stayed (free) at a hotel near Disneyland -- the lock on the door was a mere push-button-in-the-knob! * BEING THERE is a major point of going to the conference! Networking is important and fun. Lots of networking simply can't be scheduled, it's serendipitous. If you aren't on-site, you miss it. My 2 cents... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Lindsay Gower lindsay@persistence.com -or- Lindsay.Gower@persistence.com Technical Writer Persistence Software, Inc. 1720 So. Amphlett Blvd #300 San Mateo CA (650) 372-3606 http://www.persistence.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:51:38 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lynn Moncrief Subject: Re: 1st index (getting that first assignment) In-Reply-To: <199803290358.TAA24943@mail-gw2.pacbell.net> At 08:35 PM 3/28/98 LCL, Dave wrote: >At 07:42 PM 3/28/98 EST, Sue Tortora wrote: > >Sue's experience of taking a year to get her first assignment gave me a >serious reality jolt. I'm presently taking the USDA indexing course with >the aim of eventually becoming a full-time freelancer, but her experience >makes me have serious second thoughts. I'd very much appreciate a response >from established indexers re the following questions: > >1. Is Sue's experience typical of how difficult it is to get your first >assignment (at least for those of us with no existing publisher contacts)? Hi Dave, I don't know how typical Sue's experience was because I got my first indexing assignment before finishing the USDA course. In fact, I never finished the course because I became too busy indexing. (I worked on the last lesson, but never had time to refine and send it in, let alone take the test.) This is not bragging, BTW, as I've heard of other indexers who've experienced the same. However, I was active in my local ASI chapter while taking the course, which meant that I was networking long before getting to the last lesson of the course. So, an indexer who was moving across country referred two very active clients to me. Plus, I did a lot of marketing (mass mailings) while taking the course. That brought in another client within a few months of getting the first two. Getting started via referrals from fellow chapter members has gotten more than one indexer their first paying assignment. A fellow chapter member got her first paying assignment the same way. So, you probably catch my drift by now: don't wait to finish the course to start networking with other indexers (join ASI, if you haven't), creating sample indexes, etc. I know it takes a bit of chutzpah to market oneself before finishing the course, but consider the fact that there are established indexers who never took the course. :-) This is not at all intended to deride indexers who never took the USDA course. While it's a good way to learn indexing, by no means is it the only way to learn to index. (BTW, none of this means that Sue didn't do any of this. I'm just recounting what worked for me along with a good dose of luck.) > >2. Are the indexes one prepares as part of the USDA course useful as a >"portfolio" for breaking into the business? IMHO, not really. Unless the course has really changed since I took it, none of the indexes you have to create are to full-length books, despite their usefulness as learning tools. Could you imagine what would happen if you and a few others sent indexes to the American Express card brochure to the same publisher? ;-D Taking the risk of being royally toasted for saying this, the indexes in the course are great for learning indexing techniques. But that just gets you started. Brochures and course catalogs are simply not long enough to pose the challenges that a decent-sized book presents (e.g., subtle structural issues, need for a memory greater than 50 pages long, handling textual inconsistencies, etc.) I'm not saying this to denigrate the course in any way. I'm sure it would be impossible for the instructors to fully analyze and grade indexes to full-length books with the student loads they have. The course, IMHO, does an excellent job of getting you started. But, to learn to create a truly professional quality index, you have to practice indexing books. Then you take one of those indexes, one that you are truly proud of, and use *that* as your sample. (You don't have to send out the entire index as a sample unless requested. I'd just send out a couple of pages, especially if it's accompanying a mass mailing.) Of course, these are just my opinions and others may differ. Lynn *********************************** Lynn Moncrief (techndex@pacbell.net) TECHindex & Docs Technical and Scientific Indexing *********************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:59:18 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lynn Moncrief Subject: Re: Framemaker keyboard macros for indexing In-Reply-To: <199803272314.PAA16008@mail-gw.pacbell.net> At 06:12 PM 3/27/98 EST, Angela wrote: >Joel S. Berson writes: > >> I am using Framemaker Release 5, May 1995 (I don't see a revision >> number), on a Unix platform. I don't know why Lynn's Framemaker doesn't >> have the Begin Macros selection on the File/Utilities submenu. > >I have FrameMaker 5.5 on Windows 95. My manual says the macros are only >available on the Unix platforms. I'm guessing Lynn is working on Windows, >instead. Angela and Joel, Whew! Now I know I'm not going crazy! Yes, I'm working in Windows 95. Furthermore, the manual to version 5.1.1 (earlier than yours, Angela) doesn't even seem to mention macros at all, though I've spent a lot of time looking for the information. Looks like it's time for another upgrade. Thanks, Joel, for posting the tutorial on how to create macros, even though I can't use it, as it surely took you a lot of time. And thank you, Angela, for solving this. :) Lynn *********************************** Lynn Moncrief (techndex@pacbell.net) TECHindex & Docs Technical and Scientific Indexing *********************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:41:37 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jan C. Wright" Subject: Re: 1st index (getting that first assignment) In-Reply-To: <199804061718.NAA09404@camel26.mindspring.com> Just a note -- the last lesson in the USDA course is now to index a 60 page book on agricultural problems associated with irrigation runoff, and is much harder than the previous one where you do a course catalog. I took the course when it was a course catalog as the BIG project, and believe me, this new lesson 10 is definately a book - large two column pages, tons of names, tons of federal laws and departments to deal with. Plus, you have a reduced amount of space for the index, so you must learn to cut it down in size to fit and make it good at the same time. As to whether it is portfolio material? I don't think it is. When I was starting out, I took a small 30 page booklet, one that was easily mailed, and indexed it, so that I could send both a piece and the index to potential clients. But the most effective means of getting work is as Lynn says - referrals referrals referrals! Like her, I was doing indexing before finishing the course, due to referrals. I just saw a book in the bookstore this weekend called "Business By Referral." Sorry, I don't remember the author. Tells you how to stop making cold calls and cultivate a referral network. Might be good reading for those just starting out, as this business truly has been word-of-mouth for me. (Probably due to the fact that I cannot bear calling people up and trying to sell myself.) At 03:51 PM 3/31/98 -0700, you wrote: >At 08:35 PM 3/28/98 LCL, Dave wrote: >>At 07:42 PM 3/28/98 EST, Sue Tortora wrote: > > >> >>Sue's experience of taking a year to get her first assignment gave me a >>serious reality jolt. I'm presently taking the USDA indexing course with >>the aim of eventually becoming a full-time freelancer, but her experience >>makes me have serious second thoughts. I'd very much appreciate a response >>from established indexers re the following questions: >> >>1. Is Sue's experience typical of how difficult it is to get your first >>assignment (at least for those of us with no existing publisher contacts)? > >Hi Dave, > >I don't know how typical Sue's experience was because I got my first >indexing assignment before finishing the USDA course. In fact, I never >finished the course because I became too busy indexing. (I worked on the >last lesson, but never had time to refine and send it in, let alone take >the test.) This is not bragging, BTW, as I've heard of other indexers >who've experienced the same. However, I was active in my local ASI chapter >while taking the course, which meant that I was networking long before >getting to the last lesson of the course. So, an indexer who was moving >across country referred two very active clients to me. Plus, I did a lot of >marketing (mass mailings) while taking the course. That brought in another >client within a few months of getting the first two. Getting started via >referrals from fellow chapter members has gotten more than one indexer >their first paying assignment. A fellow chapter member got her first paying >assignment the same way. > >So, you probably catch my drift by now: don't wait to finish the course to >start networking with other indexers (join ASI, if you haven't), creating >sample indexes, etc. I know it takes a bit of chutzpah to market oneself >before finishing the course, but consider the fact that there are >established indexers who never took the course. :-) This is not at all >intended to deride indexers who never took the USDA course. While it's a >good way to learn indexing, by no means is it the only way to learn to >index. (BTW, none of this means that Sue didn't do any of this. I'm just >recounting what worked for me along with a good dose of luck.) >> >>2. Are the indexes one prepares as part of the USDA course useful as a >>"portfolio" for breaking into the business? > >IMHO, not really. Unless the course has really changed since I took it, >none of the indexes you have to create are to full-length books, despite >their usefulness as learning tools. Could you imagine what would happen if >you and a few others sent indexes to the American Express card brochure to >the same publisher? ;-D Taking the risk of being royally toasted for saying >this, the indexes in the course are great for learning indexing techniques. >But that just gets you started. Brochures and course catalogs are simply >not long enough to pose the challenges that a decent-sized book presents >(e.g., subtle structural issues, need for a memory greater than 50 pages >long, handling textual inconsistencies, etc.) I'm not saying this to >denigrate the course in any way. I'm sure it would be impossible for the >instructors to fully analyze and grade indexes to full-length books with >the student loads they have. The course, IMHO, does an excellent job of >getting you started. But, to learn to create a truly professional quality >index, you have to practice indexing books. Then you take one of those >indexes, one that you are truly proud of, and use *that* as your sample. >(You don't have to send out the entire index as a sample unless requested. >I'd just send out a couple of pages, especially if it's accompanying a mass >mailing.) Of course, these are just my opinions and others may differ. > >Lynn > >*********************************** >Lynn Moncrief >(techndex@pacbell.net) >TECHindex & Docs >Technical and Scientific Indexing >*********************************** > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:43:09 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: 1st index (getting that first assignment) At 03:51 PM 3/31/1998 -0700, Lynn Moncrief wrote: >So, you probably catch my drift by now: don't wait to finish the course to >start networking with other indexers (join ASI, if you haven't), creating >sample indexes, etc. I know it takes a bit of chutzpah to market oneself >before finishing the course, but consider the fact that there are >established indexers who never took the course. :-) This is not at all >intended to deride indexers who never took the USDA course. While it's a >good way to learn indexing, by no means is it the only way to learn to >index. Chiming in here... I never took the course; I'm not even sure it existed back in the middle 1970s when I first started doing indexing. I had a copyediting client who was desperate to get an index for an algebra book I had edited. She literally begged me to take it on, and I did. Luckily, the book was simplicity itself in terms of organization...the index practically made itself, even with having to use a shoebox and index cards. This person promptly assigned me two or three more similar indexes and passed my name around the company...and practically without any effort on my part, I became an indexer. I agree with Lynn about using the indexes you prepare for the course as samples. If they are, indeed, that sort of thing, they will not go far to impress editors. My suggestion would be to solicit a few freebies from organizations you belong to that have publishing projects such as cookbooks, city histories, etc. (Of course, if you can get paid, even a pittance, so much the better.) Failing that, find a nonfiction book that does not have an index (increasingly difficult, but I do come across them fairly often) and create one as a sample of your work. And don't send the whole thing, as Lynn suggests...just a few pages should do it. I would say that active marketing and networking is the best possible way to get the first few assignments, and if you do that, it's unlikely you will have to wait as long as a year. Unfortunately, I'm not able to make most of the SoCal chapter meetings, so for me, networking exists only via this list. But I do a fair amount of marketing directly to publishers, and I also find that my name gets passed around to the oddest places! :-) I get calls from people I've never heard of, working for publishers I didn't even know existed, because somebody gave somebody my name, and that person passed it along to somebody else. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 15:12:00 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: New Frontiers in Indexing All -- Just another quick update on the status of roundtables in Seattle. Database Indexing hosted by Max McMaster is now full. There are still a few seats available for: Why Should Indexers Have Web Sites? - Gerry Van Ravenswaay Productivity Tips: Juggling Freelancing with a Life - Sandi Schroeder Educational Resources for Indexers - Maryann Corbett Indexing Computer Books - Richard Shrout Marketing, Marketing, Marketing! - Kay Kutscha Schlembach and Joanne Clendenen What Does the Salary Survey Say About Us? - Sandi Schroeder The Value of Networking - Marilyn Rowland Mentoring Relationships - Ann Norcross and Dick Evans Legal Indexing for Beginners - Brooke Graves Legal Indexing for Intermediates - Maryann Corbett When to Break the Rules! - Fred Leise Whither the Wilson Award? - Kate Mertes For more info on this year's conference, which ASI is celebrating with IASC, please visit the ASI Web Site (http://www.well.com/user/asi/) or send an e-mail message to me (*not* to INDEX-L, please). Looking forward to seeing you in Seattle! .... Lori *********************************************************************** Lori Lathrop ---------->INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com Vice President/President-Elect, American Society of Indexers Lathrop Media Services, 7308-C East Independence Blvd., #316 Charlotte, NC 28227 / Phone: 704-531-0021 URL - http://idt.net/~lathro19 (note: that's a "nineteen" at the end) *********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 17:44:12 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Psvenndex Subject: Re: 1st index (getting that first assignment) As a beginner who has been marketing (since finishing the course in late November) without a response; all I can say is that I certainly hope I hear something before a year but with so many of the publishers both large and small that I call saying that they used to use freelancers but now index in- house or even more frequently saying we have no need for indexes it is discouraging.... I sometimes wonder when they mention that they have no need for indexes if I should go into a sales pitch for the value of an index, but I feel as someone looking for that first job I would lack credibility. Pamela Venneman Lighthouse Indexing Services ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:59:55 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: 1st index (getting that first assignment) At 05:44 PM 4/6/1998 EDT, Psvenndex wrote: >As a beginner who has been marketing (since finishing the course in late >November) without a response; all I can say is that I certainly hope I hear >something before a year but with so many of the publishers both large and >small that I call saying that they used to use freelancers but now index in- >house or even more frequently saying we have no need for indexes it is >discouraging.... In-house indexing certainly is something that many companies now do, and so it's going to cut down on job possibilities. But to get the response that they "don't need" indexes? This strikes me as very unusual. I know that most libraries, public and educational, won't even think about buying a nonfiction book without an index, and that many readers feel the same way. If a truly sizable number of publishers really believe they don't need indexes in their books, then maybe ASI ought to be doing more education itself. >I sometimes wonder when they mention that they have no need for indexes if I >should go into a sales pitch for the value of an index, but I feel as someone >looking for that first job I would lack credibility. You may be right, but somebody has got to explain the facts of life to these companies. (I don't think I'd feel real comfortable giving them a sales pitch for indexes in general, either; I've been lucky to have not gotten such a response very often.) =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:17:22 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: Re: 1st index (getting that first assignment) In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980406215955.009c2b48@slonet.org> I never finished the USDA course either as I got busy. I only regret it very slightly. I had a little flurry of work the past 2 months, and now have slowed down again. Since I'm not going to Seattle (whaaaaah), if anyone wants to REFER any work to me I'd be happy to grab it. I am feeling very jealous of all you guys going to be together and learning stuff and networking. Can you all just pretend I'm there, and network with me anyway? And FWIW, the reason I'm not going is totally because of the huge expense. I wish we could go to a smaller city that has an airport that would be cheaper yet still have interesting stuff to do. When are we coming to Boston? Or even Hartford or Springfield or something. There's an international airport near Hartford. Well, I'll take my feeling-sorry-for-myself self to dinner now. I'm going to be so lonely while you are all away. Rachel Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:33:58 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: BECohen653 Subject: Re: 1st index (getting that first assignment) As a general response to Rachel, it is sometimes helpful to know who is available to pick up work while the rest of us are away. So, I encourage people not going to Seattle to speak to their local indexing contacts. I am sure that at least some indexers will have projects they need to find new homes for in mid-May, or throughout the summer as some people try to take vacations. As for the question of going to small cities versus big ones.... it is generally cheaper to fly into a major hub than into a small airport, especially for people coming from small airports. So, ASI should always meet in a major city--like one with a publishing base! I hear tell that NYC is being considered for an upcoming ASI meeting. I heartily endorse this idea. The hotel costs will be high, but think of the potential clients just a hop, skip, and a jump away from our hotel! Another 2 cents...... Barbara ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:54:47 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barry Koffler Subject: Re: 1st index (getting that first assignment) In-Reply-To: <199804062221.SAA14553@ulster.net> >Well, I'll take my feeling-sorry-for-myself self to dinner now. I'm going >to be so lonely while you are all away. Rachel - you won't be the only one left behind! =I:-( -Barry oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo barkof@ulster.net Barry Koffler mid-Hudson Valley, NY the FeatherSite at http://www.feathersite.com/ lead me not into temptation . . . I can find it myself. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:57:29 -0400 Reply-To: brocindx@catskill.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin A. Broccoli" Organization: Broccoli Indexing Services Subject: Re: 1st index (getting that first assignment) Lynn: Having taken the USDA indexing course myself, I think that you hit the nail right on the head with everything that you mentioned. It was a very fair assessment of both the pros and the cons. Kevin A. Broccoli Broccoli Information Management brocindx@catksill.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 19:05:56 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: AT&T Worldnet Subject: Web Indexes If any Index-L members have had experience with creating Web-based (HTML) indexes to digitized files - JPEG files - (images, archival pages, etc.), I would be very interested in know what kind of time estimates you found worked well - in what ever form you have - minutes/photo - minutes/entry/photo, etc. Please reply to me offlist at anderson@kcls.org (unless you think the info would be of interest to other list members). Charles Anderson ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:24:57 -0400 Reply-To: brocindx@catskill.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin A. Broccoli" Organization: Broccoli Indexing Services Subject: Re: Web Site Indexing OK- since there were so many requests for the info on web indexing, here goes: (1) Dwight Walker of WWWalker Web Development offers a fantastic course on this. Don't expect it to have the same type of structue as the USDA course. (It's out of Australia and the whole thing is online- so it's a different way of learning, but Dwight does a great job.) Visit http://www.wwwalker.com.au/ (2) The tool to use in making all of the links without going crazy with all of the tags, etc. is Webix. Dwight Walker (mentioned above) is the creator of this handy tool. Visit same site for info on this. (3) WebWacker enables you to save a website on your hard drive so that you don't need to be online the entire time that you're indexing a site. See http://www.bluesquirrel.com/whacker/ I took the course myself, and it's opened up a new world in indexing for me. Feel free to ask about more particulars if you would like. Kevin A. Broccoli Broccoli Information Management brocindx@catskill.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:26:25 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: CGWeaver Subject: Re: Not attending Seattle conference My experience in many years as a conference attendee is that the Seattle room rates are quite in line with those of other professional meetings held in major metropolitan areas. The Medical Library Association's 1998 room rates in Philadelphia (scheduled the week after ASI) range from $135-$139 in secondary hotels to $150 in the conference hotel. And MLA has a lot higher meeting attendance than ASI and a much longer meeting planning process that allows them to lock in rates several years in advance-- both factors that let them hold the rates down. I did not attend the meeting in North Carolina last year. In my mind, the low room rate simply did not offset the $650 air fare and the absolutely abysmal connections. I'm willing to wager that most people visiting the Emerald City for this meeting will find reasonable air fares and good connections from virtually any location. Not to mention an outstanding program, the Space Needle, a latte stand on every corner, ferry boats, the Seattle Mariners, Microsoft, mountains, beaches, and Canada just three hours north. (Those In The Know for this meeting also tell me that registration is running well ahead of last year.) So we fully expect that you'll experience what a lot of us have discovered on our first trip to the Northwest: you'll like it so much that you'll never want to leave! Carolyn Weaver Chair, Pacific Northwest Chapter ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:10:29 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Martha Osgood Subject: Re: Seattle In-Reply-To: <199804070235.TAA27898@smtp4.teleport.com> > I'm willing to wager that most people visiting the Emerald City >for this meeting will find reasonable air fares and good connections from >virtually any location. Not to mention an outstanding program, the Space >Needle, a latte stand on every corner, I'd forgotten! A latte stand on every corner, you say? Aw RIGHT!! MY kind of city! ( ) Martha ( index@teleport.com ) Book Indexer, UU, Quilter c\__/ www.teleport.com/~index ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 06:25:39 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Joanne E. Clendenen" Organization: AfterWords Indexing Services Subject: Re: Seattle Folks, As good as ASI's conferences have gotten over the years, they aren't necessary to life. The first one I went to was in 1992, and this year's will be the second. I went the first time mainly because it was in San Antonio, which is within driving distance of my home in Houston. So, do not despair! There will be more opportunities to come! I don't plan on going every year myself, but I will go when I can. Because the conference is longer now (in 1992 it started on Friday, or maybe Thursday, I think), it will inevitably cost more, but you get more choices for learning. I also agree with those who say that our conferences are still more reasonable in cost than a lot of professional meetings. Joanne -- AfterWords Indexing Services Joanne E. Clendenen email: jbclend@bigfoot.com http://www.flash.net/~jbclend ---------------- "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not any simpler." Einstein ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:52:03 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sharon Wright Subject: Re: 1st index (getting that first assignment) -Reply The rest of us can talk about the ones that are away while they're gone... :-) Before you respond: I'M KIDDING!!! -- sfw >>> Barry Koffler 04/06/98 06:54pm >>> >Well, I'll take my feeling-sorry-for-myself self to dinner now. I'm going >to be so lonely while you are all away. Rachel - you won't be the only one left behind! =I:-( -Barry oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo barkof@ulster.net Barry Koffler mid-Hudson Valley, NY the FeatherSite at http://www.feathersite.com/ lead me not into temptation . . . I can find it myself. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:25:45 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Saturday night in Seattle In-Reply-To: <199804070401.XAA07490@mixcom.mixcom.com> One way of keeping the room costs down is, of course, sharing. I have a roomie for Wed. through Fri. nights but alas none for Sat. night. Is there a nonsmoking woman who will also be without a roommate Sat. night and like to share with me? Please e-mail me privately. Cheers, Carol Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer http://www.mixweb.com/Roberts.Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:22:22 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lindsay Gower Subject: Re: Seattle In-Reply-To: <199804071125.EAA23002@firewall.persistence.com> At 06:25 AM 4/7/98 -0500, Joanne wrote: >So, do >not despair! There will be more opportunities to come! This makes me wonder: where IS next year's conference? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Lindsay Gower lindsay@persistence.com -or- Lindsay.Gower@persistence.com Technical Writer Persistence Software, Inc. 1720 So. Amphlett Blvd #300 San Mateo CA (650) 372-3606 http://www.persistence.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:46:36 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lynn Moncrief Subject: Re: Web Indexes In-Reply-To: <199804070212.TAA25045@mail-gw2.pacbell.net> At 07:05 PM 4/6/98 -0700, Charles wrote: >If any Index-L members have had experience with creating Web-based (HTML) >indexes to digitized files - JPEG files - (images, archival pages, etc.), I >would be very interested in know what kind of time estimates you found >worked well - in what ever form you have - minutes/photo - >minutes/entry/photo, etc. > >Please reply to me offlist at anderson@kcls.org (unless you think the info >would be of interest to other list members). > Charles and others, I think that this would be of interest to many list members, just as Kevin's excellent posts on Web indexing were "keepers". (No, Kevin and I aren't in a mutual admiration society. It's just coincidence that we liked each other's posts. This doesn't mean that I don't admire Kevin. I do. Oh, never mind!) While we nervously watch clients move their indexing inhouse, I think quite a few of us are eyeing Web indexing as the next frontier (to paraphrase a title of an ASI conference ;-D). In the same vein, I am hoping that Kevin posts the particulars of the Web indexing course he took. Does the course, for example, focus on indexing one particular Web site or does it also address creating an index on a particular subject with links to a large number of sites on the Web (like what I've been working on for my own Web site)? Lynn *********************************** Lynn Moncrief (techndex@pacbell.net) TECHindex & Docs Technical and Scientific Indexing *********************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:36:34 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Psvenndex Subject: Re: Seattle Next year the ASI conference is in Indianapolis Believe it or not I am not whining this time! Pamela Venneman Lighthouse Indexing Services ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:33:31 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Larry Harrison Subject: ASI Twin Cities Chapter Meeting ASI TWIN CITIES CHAPTER MEETING ------------------------------- Everything you always wanted to know about freelance Indexing but were afraid to ask. Saturday, April 25 10 a.m. to 12 noon Merriam Park Library 1831 Marshall Avenue St. Paul, Minnesota Please plan to come to an informal information-sharing meeting of the Twin Cities Chapter of the American Society of Indexers. Experienced freelancers will share their experiences and views. Our panel will talk about indexing practices, working with clients, home-based business issues, and more. Everyone from pre-beginner to seasoned pro will find some information of value. We'll also review Do Mi Stauber's workshop "Facing the Text," and we'll plan for our next election. This is our spring chapter meeting. Non-members are welcome. Questions? Email me at the address below. Larry Harrison (larryh@millcomm.com) Secretary/Treasurer, Twin Cities Chapter American Society of Indexers *What's indexing? ---> ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:49:40 -0400 Reply-To: brocindx@catskill.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin A. Broccoli" Organization: Broccoli Indexing Services Subject: Re: Web Indexes Lynn Moncrief wrote: > > > I think quite a few of us are eyeing Web indexing as the next frontier (to > paraphrase a title of an ASI conference ;-D). > > In the same vein, I am hoping that Kevin posts the particulars of the Web > indexing course he took. Does the course, for example, focus on indexing > one particular Web site or does it also address creating an index on a > particular subject with links to a large number of sites on the Web (like > what I've been working on for my own Web site)? > > Lynn > > *********************************** > Lynn Moncrief > (techndex@pacbell.net) > TECHindex & Docs > Technical and Scientific Indexing > *********************************** I sent all of the URL's to the list yesterday for WebWacker, the web indexing course, etc. Someone please let me know if it wasn't posted, because I'm still getting requests for these URL's and everyone should have received them already. If anyone missed it (I think Lynn might not have received it, I'm not sure) I'll repost it soon. In response to Lynn's question: The web indexing course includes web site indexing and also the type of index that you spoke of (one that is about a particular subject matter and "points out" to other web sites with that info). Sounds like you're working on an interesting site- please send me the URL if you would when you're through. Have you tried Homesite 3.0 as an HTML editor? See http://www.allaire.com/ As far as Webix is concerned, it's hard to explain how to use it without actually being there- but basically, you set up the index in a regular word processor, with a space after the entry and then the URL. Ex: dogs http://www.blahblahblah and so on...then you use Webix to convert this to a hyperlink. It will end up just saying: dogs but it will of course be hyperlink In this way you don't need to bother with the regular HTML tagging for links. Not that the tagging is that complicated, but once you get Webix up and running, it's a lot simpler. Dwight Walker is developing a Windows 95 version that may be available in May. It should be a lot easier to work with. Kevin A. Broccoli Broccoli Information Management brocindx@catskill.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:11:03 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was maryann@ITASCA.REVISOR.LEG.STATE.MN.US From: Maryann Corbett Organization: Revisor of Statutes Subject: Seattle query: legal indexing for intermediates roundtable Here's a query for people who have signed up for the roundtable on legal indexing for intermediates. I'm the moderator, and I'd like to plan the most useful presentation possible, so I'm asking for a little bit of background information from each person who has signed up. Presumably you're an "intermediate," but are you intermediate in indexing generally or in legal and legislative indexing? If you've done legal indexing before, what kind of books did you index (hornbooks, treatises, laws and statutes, regulations) ? If you haven't done legal indexing before, what's your main area of experience? What else would you like me to know about you? What is your main goal in signing up for this roundtable? Thanks, thanks, thanks to all who respond. -- Maryann Corbett Language Specialist Office of the Revisor of Statutes Minnesota Legislature 612-297-2952 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:39:22 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: Re: Not attending Seattle conference In-Reply-To: >virtually any location. Not to mention an outstanding program, the Space >Needle, a latte stand on every corner, ferry boats, the Seattle Mariners, >Microsoft, mountains, beaches, and Canada just three hours north. (Those In >The Know for this meeting also tell me that registration is running well ahead >of last year.) So we fully expect that you'll experience what a lot of us >have discovered on our first trip to the Northwest: you'll like it so much >that you'll never want to leave! arrrghh Carolyn! You're so mean ;-) I have only spent one day in Seattle and was really looking forward to a longer visit. But like my friend's father said, sometimes we can't always do what we wanna. Seattle is a fabulous city and someday I will go and revisit. Just wish it were going to be next month. Barbara, what you said about large cities makes sense, and the fact that Carolyn didn't go to Winston-Salem underlines it. I guess I agree. Reluctantly. And yes, I'm available to take hand offs for anyone who needs me while you're at the conference. Animals, psych, ophthalmology, Judaica, non-programmer computer manuals. Those of us not going, we must support each other and be strong! Rachel Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:43:23 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LLF EdServ Subject: Re: Not attending Seattle conference In a message dated 98-04-07 17:36:22 EDT, you write: << Those of us not going, we must support each other and be strong! >> Rachel, I'm not going either, and I live on the West Coast. This has just turned into a disaster year for me and I couldn't justify spending the money. And what's worse, I'm going to be home proofreading!!!! YUCK! My least favorite pass time. But one must pay the bills however one can. So, I'll be supportive of the rest of you like us. Leslie Frank Words Indexing and Editing ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 21:04:44 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Norcross Subject: Re: Web Site Indexing Kevin A. Broccoli wrote: > > OK- since there were so many requests for the info on web indexing, here > goes: > > (1) Dwight Walker of WWWalker Web Development offers a fantastic course > on this. Don't expect it to have the same type of structue as the USDA > course. (It's out of Australia and the whole thing is online- so it's a > different way of learning, but Dwight does a great job.) Visit > http://www.wwwalker.com.au/ > > (2) The tool to use in making all of the links without going crazy with > all of the tags, etc. is Webix. Dwight Walker (mentioned above) is the > creator of this handy tool. Visit same site for info on this. > > (3) WebWacker enables you to save a website on your hard drive so that > you don't need to be online the entire time that you're indexing a > site. See http://www.bluesquirrel.com/whacker/ > > I took the course myself, and it's opened up a new world in indexing for > me. Kevin, it does sound terrific. When you say its opened up a new world... are you getting indexing assignments for Web sites? (Sorry if you've already mentioned this--I've had to miss index-l for a few days and may have missed your comments.) How's the scheduling, pay, etc? Are you enjoying it? > Feel free to ask about more particulars if you would like. Oh. Ok! :-) How are you locating Web-indexing clients? Ann ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:29:03 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Manjit K. Sahai" Subject: benefits of membership of various organizations Hi everyone, First I have to thank all those wonderful people who replied about my web indexing questions. Thanks a million. Now I have some more questions. Being a newbie, I am just a member of ASI so far. I am thinking about joining some other organizations. My only purpose is to get some business out of those prganizations. So my questions are... 1...do you really get any business from any writer's organizations which is a local one or on a national level? 2...I have seen some indexers listed in LMP. Do any of those indexers get any business. 3...getting any business from being listed in the Indexer Services of ASI? 4...getting any business from membership of local chamber of commerce? Any help would be appreciated regarding these questions before I waste my money on these kinds of membership. Thanks a lot. Mrs. Manjit K. Sahai RAM Indexing Services ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:58:17 -0400 Reply-To: brocindx@catskill.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin A. Broccoli" Organization: Broccoli Indexing Services Subject: Re: Web Site Indexing Ann Norcross wrote: > > Kevin A. Broccoli wrote: > > > > OK- since there were so many requests for the info on web indexing, here > > goes: > > > > (1) Dwight Walker of WWWalker Web Development offers a fantastic course > > on this. Don't expect it to have the same type of structue as the USDA > > course. (It's out of Australia and the whole thing is online- so it's a > > different way of learning, but Dwight does a great job.) Visit > > http://www.wwwalker.com.au/ > > > > (2) The tool to use in making all of the links without going crazy with > > all of the tags, etc. is Webix. Dwight Walker (mentioned above) is the > > creator of this handy tool. Visit same site for info on this. > > > > (3) WebWacker enables you to save a website on your hard drive so that > > you don't need to be online the entire time that you're indexing a > > site. See http://www.bluesquirrel.com/whacker/ > > > > I took the course myself, and it's opened up a new world in indexing for > > me. > > Kevin, it does sound terrific. When you say its opened up a new > world... are you getting indexing assignments for Web sites? (Sorry > if you've already mentioned this--I've had to miss index-l for a few > days and may have missed your comments.) How's the scheduling, pay, > etc? Are you enjoying it? > > > Feel free to ask about more particulars if you would like. > > Oh. Ok! :-) How are you locating Web-indexing clients? > > Ann Good questions. I have only taken the course this past Feb-March, so I'm still in my marketing phase for all of this. I have been able to do some online newsletters for an organization, and they want an estimate for next year. I have no doubts as to the availability of work in this regard- there's a lot out there. As far as pay is concerned, just like with books, it depends on the difficulty of the subject matter, depth of indexing, countless factors. But since there is additional work and knowledge involved, one should be all means charge more than if they were doing an index for a book with the same level of difficulty, etc. Scheduling: well, for that first job that I did they were very laid back about it. I imagine that generally there is a little less pressure than with indexing books as far as a deadline is concerned. Marketing: Right now just surfing web sites, looking for ones that need indexes & then e-mailing them regarding it. I'm working on my own web site. I think that w/out a site it would be rather hypocritical :) Also one could contact web design teams and work hand-in-hand with them, indexing the sites that they design. Kevin A. Broccoli Broccoli Information Management brocindx@catskill.net