From: SMTP%"LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu" 26-MAR-1998 05:26:13.84 To: CIRJA02 CC: Subj: File: "INDEX-L LOG9802B" Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:42:53 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB (1.8a) Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9802B" To: CIRJA02@GSVMS1.CC.GASOU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 06:20:43 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pam Rider Subject: Re: Leading articles In-Reply-To: <199802072102.NAA02880@powergrid.electriciti.com> At 02:58 PM 2/7/98 -0500, you wrote: > >Opinions welcomed. > I would check with the client, recommending two entries Raza, La La Raza Both would be alphabetized by the actual first letter. (In Southern California, Raza is sometimes spoken separately, but with a sightly changed connotation from La Raza.) Pam Rider Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth prider@electriciti.com prider@tsktsk.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:00:47 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: William Meisheid Subject: Re: Indexing with winHelp? One thing to keep in mind, is that in Windows Help (WinHelp and for our purposes I AM talking about 32 bit WinHelp--Windows 95 or NT) the locators are the Topic Titles. Whenever a user selects keyword (displayed as an entry in the WinHelp index), if there is more than one target, they get a Topics Found dialog, listing the topics containing that keyword. The user then make their selection based on on the Topic Title. In effect, this makes the Topic Titles the last level of the Index. When teaching two help authors at EDS online indexing, it was interesting to watch them edit their Topic Titles as they indexed their project, since some of the Topics Found selections were ambiguous. Just a few thoughts from the trenches. William Meisheid "Thoughts still and always in progress" Certified RoboHELP Training http://www.sageline.com Sageline Publishing 410.465.1548 Fax: 410.465.1812 WUGNET/Help Authoring Forum - Sysop for: Style/Concepts/Etc E-mail: 70713.2225@compuserve.com or wgm@sageline.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:36:22 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rick Hurd This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD353E.2EDE3180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Index-l ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD353E.2EDE3180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD353E.2EDE3180-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:16:15 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lillian Ashworth Subject: ink jet printers A query for those who use ink jet printers: Do any of you print envelopes using them? If so, how do you handle the runny ink when wet problem? I purchased some Krylon fixative today that said it could be used for watercolors; however, after letting my test piece dry for 4 minutes and a second test piece for 20, the ink still ran when I simulated a scatter of raindrops. I've been using an older computer system to print my envelopes which, since it is CPM-based, meant re-typing the addresses, but the ink was stable. That printer broke several weeks ago. I've finally figured out how to get the envelopes to feed into my ink jet printer but the idea of having addresses "dissolve" in rain storms isn't giving me great confidence in the process. Thanks in advance - Lillian Ashworth ashworth@pullman.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:02:11 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Roberta Horowitz Subject: Re: ink jet printers Depending on the number of labels you need, you might find buying an inexpensive dot matrix printer the best solution. The labels for dot matrix are much cheaper than laser or ink jet labels and you don't have to worry about the ink running. Roberta Horowitz rhorowitz@acm.org At 03:16 PM 2/9/98 -0800, you wrote: >A query for those who use ink jet printers: > >Do any of you print envelopes using them? If so, how do you handle the >runny ink when wet problem? > > I purchased some Krylon fixative today that said it could be used for >watercolors; however, after letting my test piece dry for 4 minutes and a >second test piece for 20, the ink still ran when I simulated a scatter of >raindrops. I've been using an older computer system to print my envelopes >which, since it is CPM-based, meant re-typing the addresses, but the ink was >stable. That printer broke several weeks ago. I've finally figured out how >to get the envelopes to feed into my ink jet printer but the idea of having >addresses "dissolve" in rain storms isn't giving me great confidence in the >process. > >Thanks in advance - > >Lillian Ashworth >ashworth@pullman.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:04:49 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dawn Spencer Subject: Re: ink jet printers I have had incredible success with my HP DeskJet 870Cse Ink Jet printer. To test the ink, I just poured a bunch of water on a peice of paper I had printed out. I rubbed my finger over the printed area, and it didn't smear. It has sat for a few minutes now, and had a chance to soften. It's STILL not smearing! It was printed on regular cheap copier-type paper. Some folks NEVER use them for addresses because of the ink problem, but Ive NEVER had any problems. Perhaps it's the type of ink for the printer? Have others had success like me? Dawn indexlady@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:09:31 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marie & Steve Rizzo Subject: Re: ink jet printers Lillian Ashworth wrote: > > A query for those who use ink jet printers: > > Do any of you print envelopes using them? If so, how do you handle the > runny ink when wet problem? > > I purchased some Krylon fixative today that said it could be used for > watercolors; however, after letting my test piece dry for 4 minutes and a > second test piece for 20, the ink still ran when I simulated a scatter of > raindrops. I've been using an older computer system to print my envelopes > which, since it is CPM-based, meant re-typing the addresses, but the ink was > stable. That printer broke several weeks ago. I've finally figured out how > to get the envelopes to feed into my ink jet printer but the idea of having > addresses "dissolve" in rain storms isn't giving me great confidence in the > process. > > Thanks in advance - > > Lillian Ashworth > ashworth@pullman.comI have heard of this problem, but have not experienced it firsthand. I use and inkjet 400. A friend suggested placing tape or a clear label over an address to prevent smearing or running. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:32:24 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Craig Brown Subject: Re: inkjet printers My experience was about the same as Dawn's. If I stick a printed sheet under the faucet immediately after taking it out of the printer there is a little ink runoff, but the printing remains clear and legible and will not smear. A cured sheet (out of the printer for 10 minutes or more) has less ink runoff. This is with an HP DeskWriter and inkjet paper. Fared about the same with a "laser quality" #10 envelope. Craig Brown ========================================== The Last Word lastword@i1.net Indexing (314)352-9094 www.i1.net/~lastword ========================================== ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:01:35 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barry Koffler Subject: new to list, need Mac software info Hi I'm hoping I can get some feedback here. In the past I've used In>Sort for the Mac for my indexing, but it doesn't run on my Power Mac and I really need to upgrade quickly. I've got the demo version of Cindex, but if there's anything else out there that folks think is as good or better, I'd love to hear about it. I've got to act pretty quickly. TIA, -Barry oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo barkof@ulster.net Barry Koffler mid-Hudson Valley, NY the FeatherSite at http://www.cyborganic.com/People/feathersite/ lead me not into temptation . . . I can find it myself. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:53:08 +1300 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Simon Cauchi Subject: Re: new to list, need Mac software info I suggest you consider getting HyperIndex, which is much cheaper than Cindex and runs as a native application on a PowerMac. For the current version and its price, write to the supplier at ADETIENN@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU (Andre De Tienne). >Hi > >I'm hoping I can get some feedback here. In the past I've used In>Sort for >the Mac for my indexing, but it doesn't run on my Power Mac and I really >need to upgrade quickly. I've got the demo version of Cindex, but if >there's anything else out there that folks think is as good or better, I'd >love to hear about it. I've got to act pretty quickly. From Simon Cauchi, Freelance Editor and Indexer 13 Riverview Terrace, Hamilton, New Zealand Telephone and facsimile +64 7 854 9229, e-mail cauchi@wave.co.nz ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:51:23 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "David M. Spyres" Subject: Creating a searchable database...HELP!!! Hi All, I am about to create a searchable database for my company's library. I have NEVER attempted to do this! Here is what they are wanting to do: Create a searchable database that contains tax-related documents gathered from the various states. It will also contain various articles related to their subject. I am going to have to run the articles and other documents through a scanner and OCR software first to create a "text-only" version of the document. Then, I need to use another program to take these text files and create the searchable database. What I need from you nice people are suggetions & recommendations for the software I should use to do all of the above. Just keep in mind that I am NOT a programmer. I am an end-user. I need simplicity!! Not that I can't figure out a piece of software, but having a simple program with simple instructions would make my job a lot easier...I only have about 20000 documents to convert and another 2000-5000 per month to add to it ! Your help is greatly appreciated. There may even be a thank you gift involved here!! Please e-mail me with any and all suggestions. Thanks again! Dave - dmspyres@spyresinc.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:22:39 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barry Koffler Subject: Re: new to list, need Mac software info In-Reply-To: <199802100454.XAA25878@ulster.net> >I suggest you consider getting HyperIndex, which is much cheaper than >Cindex and runs as a native application on a PowerMac. For the current >version and its price, write to the supplier at ADETIENN@INDYVAX.IUPUI.E= DU >(Andre De Tienne). Simon - > I've heard of it, but don't know anyone who's used it. How does it compar= e to Cindex? Levels of sub-heads? Can you style text in it? I do lots of scientific stuff and often need to style lots of name in ital and export without losing styling. Can you export easily to Word format (I need that also)? -Barry ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo= ooooo barkof@ulster.net Barry Koffler mid-Hudson Valley, = NY the FeatherSite at http://www.cyborganic.com/People/feathersite/ lead me not into temptation . . . I can find it myself. ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo= ooooo=3D=D4 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:36:36 +1300 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Simon Cauchi Subject: Re: HyperIndex (WAS: Re: new to list, need Mac software info) >I've heard of it, but don't know anyone who's used it. I've been using it for some time now, since early 1976. The earlier versions were a bit rough in some respects, but the latest, version 6.1, represents a major improvement. >How does it compare to Cindex? I know only the demo version of Cindex, so can't compare properly. >Levels of sub-heads? A maximum of three levels of heading: main, sub, and subsub. >Can you style text in it? Yes, in italic or bold. But the database of index entries is not WYSIWYG. The styling appears as coding in the entries. You see the italic and bold at the end when the index is formatted. >Can you export easily to Word format (I need that also)? Yes. You can export it as an RTF document, which preserves the formatting, into the wordprocessing application of your choice. I also use Microsoft Word. But, really, you need to write directly to Andre De Tienne, who can answer your questions more fully. I'll give his e-mail address again, since extraneous characters were interpolated the last time: ADETIENN@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU (Andre De Tienne). From Simon Cauchi, Freelance Editor and Indexer 13 Riverview Terrace, Hamilton, New Zealand Telephone and facsimile +64 7 854 9229, e-mail cauchi@wave.co.nz ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:12:57 LCL Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Monica Luce Subject: thanks on educating client Thanks to everyone who replied with suggestions about dealing with my inexperienced client. She likes the idea of numbering each chapter separately. I think this project is, and will continue to be an interesting learning experience for me, but I see the merit in working with people who know what they want! Monica Luce mluce@mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 06:54:25 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sam Andrusko Subject: Re: Creating a searchable database...HELP!!! In-Reply-To: <199802100454.XAA24906@rs8.loc.gov> Dave, I'd suggest something like AskSam. Each document can be a separate record and the searcher simply types "X" to find something and if "X" appears in the database, it will pop up in context. The URL is www.asksam.com. (There's also a listserv, if interested). If you don't want to add lots of explicit fields and such, well, AskSam might be the answer. (AskSam allows explicit fields too, but I assume you do not want to have to fool around with adding lots of explicit fields to 20,000 documents). By the way, would like you to let us/me know how the scanning and OCR goes. I am 95% convinced it is quicker in the long run to simply type or re-type something into a database rather than scan it in. So, would be curious to hear how frustrated/delighted you are by whatever you are going to use. Sam Andrusko > Your help is greatly appreciated. There may > even be a thank you gift involved here!! Ah, perhaps a week at the beach??? :) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:40:50 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: 1998 ASI/IASC Annual Conference All -- Conference brochures and registration forms are going out this week for the 1998 ASI Annual Conference scheduled for May 13-16 at Cavanaugh's Inn in Seattle. The Indexing and Abstracting Society of Canada (IASC) is joining us in celebrating the American Society of Indexers' 30th Anniversary, and IASC will handle mailing to all of their Canadian members in the very near future. If you are a member of ASI or if you have previously requested conference information, you should receive a brochure by next week; if you haven't received it by the end of next week, please let me know. If you are not a member of ASI or IASC but would like to receive a conference brochure and registration form, please e-mail me privately. (Please do not reply to INDEX-L.) BTW, the ASI Web site (http://www.well.com/user/asi) will soon have the latest & greatest info on the 1998 ASI/IASC Annual Conference ... so stay tuned! :-) Looking forward to seeing you in Seattle! .... Lori *********************************************************************** Lori Lathrop ---------->INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com Vice President/President-Elect, American Society of Indexers Lathrop Media Services, 7308-C East Independence Blvd., #316 Charlotte, NC 28227 / Phone: 704-531-0021 URL - http://idt.net/~lathro19 (note: that's a "nineteen" at the end) *********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:09:09 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: William Meisheid Subject: Possible proposal Lori, I am a member from the Baltimore area who primarily does online indexing, specifically Windows Help files. In my work I interact regularly with the design team at Microsoft for the new HTML Help. Due to my concerns on how indexing is being address within the software, I also have had some correspondence with several people at the W3C about indexing concerns, trying to locate who was pursuing those issues. The upshot is that there is no one really working on the situation from an informed perspective. As an attempt to remedy the situation and since membership (even an associate) on the W3C costs $5000 a year, I have suggested to my contacts at Microsoft that they consider sponsoring a membership for ASI in the W3C. That would create a working relationship for them with the proper organization for solving indexing issues in their software and create an advocate on the W3C for indexing issues. They agree it is a good idea and want to follow up. I am currently in Seattle at the WinWriters Online Help Conference and only get my email twice a day--the next time will be this evening. Please tell me if you are interested in pursuing this opportunity. Since I have direct contact with the Microsoft people today and tomorrow I will be able to get discussion going if you so desire. Sincerely yours, William Meisheid Sageline Publishing ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:08:29 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: KArrigoni2@AOL.COM Subject: new to list, need Mac software info Hi Barry, I have CINDEX for the Mac and recommend it highly! What I really like is that it's very easy to get up and running on it. I remember when I first got the program, I had an index with a very tight deadline that I was just ready to start on. I was kind of nervous about trying out a new program on this project but decided to go ahead. I had absolutely no problems and was able to complete the index much quicker than usual. The program's paid for itself many times over with all the time I've saved and the conveniences I've gained. Karin Arrigoni ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:32:16 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Ted Neveln (Write Stuff)" Subject: Re: 1998 ASI/IASC Annual Conference Dear Ms. Lathrop, I would like to receive the brochure and index form. My mailing address is Ted Neveln 5210 Russell Ave NW #412 Seattle WA 98107-3924 > -----Original Message----- > From: Lori Lathrop [SMTP:76620.456@COMPUSERVE.COM] > Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 5:41 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: 1998 ASI/IASC Annual Conference > > All -- Conference brochures and registration forms are going out this week > for the 1998 ASI Annual Conference scheduled for May 13-16 at Cavanaugh's > Inn in Seattle. > > The Indexing and Abstracting Society of Canada (IASC) is joining us in > celebrating the American Society of Indexers' 30th Anniversary, and IASC > will handle mailing to all of their Canadian members in the very near > future. > > If you are a member of ASI or if you have previously requested conference > information, you should receive a brochure by next week; if you haven't > received it by the end of next week, please let me know. > > If you are not a member of ASI or IASC but would like to receive a > conference brochure and registration form, please e-mail me privately. > (Please do not reply to INDEX-L.) > > BTW, the ASI Web site (http://www.well.com/user/asi) will soon have the > latest & greatest info on the 1998 ASI/IASC Annual Conference ... so stay > tuned! :-) > > Looking forward to seeing you in Seattle! .... Lori > *********************************************************************** > Lori Lathrop ---------->INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com > Vice President/President-Elect, American Society of Indexers > Lathrop Media Services, 7308-C East Independence Blvd., #316 > Charlotte, NC 28227 / Phone: 704-531-0021 > URL - http://idt.net/~lathro19 (note: that's a "nineteen" at the end) > *********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:15:40 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jeri Lee Subject: Re: Creating a searchable database...HELP!!! David M. Spyres wrote: > > Hi All, > > > Here is what they are wanting to do: > > Create a searchable database that contains > tax-related documents gathered from the > various states. It will also contain various > articles related to their subject. > > I am going to have to run the articles and > other documents through a scanner and > OCR software first to create a "text-only" > version of the document. Then, I need to > use another program to take these text files > and create the searchable database. > You have my utmost sympathy! The above sounds a great deal like at least a six-month migraine! Good luck! Jeri Lee ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:24:04 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marlene London Subject: Re: QUICK HELP! To one of you smartie pants out there: For an index I'm sending off tomorrow, I'd like to have the first name of a second-rate French painter named Fortuny. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks for your help with my question a few days ago re past presidents -- and for catching my typo! No, there aren't any typos in my index .... Marlene London Profindex@worldnet.att.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:05:50 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Mary S Stephenson Subject: Re: QUICK HELP! In-Reply-To: <19980211002520.AAA17930@pentium> Marlene, Likely this isn't the right painter, as he was definitely not second rate.= =20 He was Spanish, but did spend part of his life in Paris:=20 Fortuny Marsal, Mari=E0 (Reus 1838 - Roma 1874) Mari=E0 Fortuny, one of the greatest painters of his period, has always been considered as the main international artist of Catalan painting. His work, quantitative and euphustic, is an example of technical perfection which is characterised, above all, by the realistic treatment of the subjects and the bright colouring. [sometimes also listed as] Mariano FORTUNY i Marsal (1838-1874) Maybe someone else and confirm [or not] that this is the right painter. Susie Stephenson mss@unixg.ubc.ca On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Marlene London wrote: > To one of you smartie pants out there: >=20 > For an index I'm sending off tomorrow, I'd like to have the first name of= a > second-rate French painter named Fortuny. > Any help would be appreciated. Thanks for your help with my question a f= ew > days ago re past presidents -- and for catching my typo! No, there aren'= t > any typos in my index .... >=20 >=20 > Marlene London > Profindex@worldnet.att.net >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:22:57 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Elizabeth A. McCarthy" Subject: Re: QUICK HELP! Marlene London wrote: > To one of you smartie pants out there: > > For an index I'm sending off tomorrow, I'd like to have the first name of a > second-rate French painter named Fortuny. > Any help would be appreciated. Thanks for your help with my question a few > days ago re past presidents -- and for catching my typo! No, there aren't > any typos in my index .... > > Marlene London > Profindex@worldnet.att.net Could your painter be Spanish? I found Fortuny y Carbo, Mariano Jose Maria Bernardo!1838-1874. Resided in Rome. Known for historical and genre paintings. This from Webster's Biographical Dictionary. Elizabeth ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:13:14 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Roberta Horowitz Subject: Re: QUICK HELP! I dont have the URL handy but use a search engine to reach the Getty Center Site as they have a database of all artists names including all the variations. If you can't find them online, you can probably call them. They are located in Los Angeles My guess on the url is www.getty.org Roberta Horowitz rhorowitz@acm.org At 07:24 PM 2/10/98 -0500, you wrote: >To one of you smartie pants out there: > >For an index I'm sending off tomorrow, I'd like to have the first name of a >second-rate French painter named Fortuny. >Any help would be appreciated. Thanks for your help with my question a few >days ago re past presidents -- and for catching my typo! No, there aren't >any typos in my index .... > > >Marlene London >Profindex@worldnet.att.net > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:50:38 -0500 Reply-To: Ken Reigner Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ken Reigner Subject: WIW Home Office Technology Conference, Feb. 21, Washington, D.C. WIW 1998 Home Office Technology Conference To Help Writers Boost Their Business Using Cyber Skills Washington Independent Writers (WIW) is sponsoring a home office technology conference to help those who work at home navigate their way through cyberspace and the latest technology to publication and profit. Entitled "Embracing Technology: Putting Your Home Office to Work for You," the conference will be held Saturday, February 21, at the University Club, 1135 16th St. N.W. in Washington, D.C., from 8 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. WIW has recruited some first-rate, cyber-savvy experts for this conference. They will offer advice in using technology to boost productivity, market services, streamline business operations and research information. Besides formal presentations, plenty of time has been scheduled for panelists to field questions from conference participants. Thus attendees will have an opportunity to get answers to their practical, how-to questions. Following is the conference agenda: 8:00 to 9:00 a.m. Registration 9:00 to 9:15 a.m. Overview Speakers: Ken Reigner, Home Office Technology Conference coordinator; WIW board member; chairman, WIW Technology Committee. Clyde Linsley, WIW president. 9:15 to 10:30 a.m. Productivity: Putting Technology to Work How technology can help you work more efficiently, manage your business and save money. Panelists: Clyde Linsley (moderator), WIW president; chairman, WIW Legislative Committee; a Washington-area free-lancer who writes for a variety of print and online publications. John A. (Jack) Butler, a Washington-area free-lance writer specializing in maritime history research. In addition to two books for Naval Institute Press, he is the author of "Information Gathering in the Electronic Age" and a contributor to CPCUG Monitor. Ken Norkin, free-lance copywriter and president of KN Creative, stepped down from the vice presidency of a Washington-area advertising agency to open his own business, supplying advertising, marketing and public relations services. Barbara St. Amand, WIW treasurer, is an economic consultant. As treasurer, she was instrumental in automating WIW's finances and records. 10:45 a.m. to 12 noon. Marketing: Fame and Fortune Through Technology How technology can help you communicate with and sell to your markets. Panelists: William J. Moriarty (moderator), WIW board member; chairman, WIW Advanced Writers/Professional Development Committee. In addition to holding senior corporate communications positions for several years, he has been a full-time, free-lance marketing writer for 16 years. Under the business name of Copywright, he creates marketing materials, from brochures to speeches and video scripts, for a wide variety of corporate and non-profit clients. Kim Gordon, chair, WIW Chevy Chase (Md.) Small Group; author, "Growing Your Home-Based Business"; president of the National Marketing Federation, based in Silver Spring, Md. Among other media, NMF dispenses marketing advice via a telephone voice response system. She is also one of a panel of business consultants available to answer questions online at . She handles marketing inquiries for this free service. Dia L. Michels, WIW vice president; chair, WIW Writers Defense Fund Committee. An internationally published science and health writer, she is the author of "Milk, Money & Madness: The Culture and Politics of Breastfeeding." As president of Platypus Cards & Clothes, she designs and distributes educational materials promoting breastfeeding, which she sells at trade shows and via the Internet. Meg Peters, the writer-designer founder of Wraparound Studio, a company offering comprehensive World Wide Web services, including design, writing, hosting and programming. For the past four years, she has written advertising and promotional copy for The Washington Post and free-lance clients. 12:15 to 1:30 p.m. The Bottom Line: How Technology Can Improve Your Business Linda Stern (lunch speaker), former WIW president; WIW advisory board member; contributing editor, Home Office Computing magazine; associate editor, Newsweek magazine; author, "Money-Smart Secrets for the Self- Employed"; free-lance writer for 12 years. 1:45 to 3:00 p.m. Research: Using Technology To Find the Information You Need How to access an amazing amount of useful information without leaving your home. Panelists: Paula Bohan (moderator), national market manager, ProfNet, an Internet-based link to 4,300 news and information officers at colleges and universities, corporations, think tanks, national labs, medical centers, non-profits and public relations agencies. She joined ProfNet in 1996 after seven years with PR Newswire in various editorial and sales positions. Joe Hennessy, a computer consultant based in Falls Church, Va., will provide tips for finding shareware on the Internet. David Herbert, information systems manager and programmer for DataNational in Chantilly, Va., the publisher of the Community PhoneBook. He will detail techniques for getting the most out of online search engines. Sergio Visaggio, programming director, Research and Learn Channel, America Online. During his three years with AOL, he has held a variety of management positions in the content distribution area. Before joining AOL, he spent four years in marketing with NYNEX. 3:15 to 4:30 p.m. Ask the Experts: Taking the Next Step Everything you always wanted to know about computer hardware, software and services. Panelists: Ken Reigner (moderator), Home Office Technology Conference coordinator; WIW board member; chairman, WIW Technology Committee; founder and list owner of WIW's two Internet-based mailing lists, WIW-L and WIW-JOBS. After many years as a writer, editor, press secretary and legislative assistant, he established CompuMedia Business Services in College Park, Md., where he provides editorial, computer, media, public relations and resume services. Rob F. Deziel, a computer consultant with the Next Generation Office Services in Springfield, Va., will describe how to go about locating a cyber guru who will help choose, set up and service high tech equipment in your home office. Melinda (Mindy) McAdams, Web strategist, the American Press Institute, Reston, Va. After writing for The Washington Post, Time magazine and a weekly trade publication, she became the first content developer at Digital Ink, The Post's online subsidiary in 1994. She has trained journalists around the world in Web-based publishing and design. She is co-author of "The Internet Handbook for Writers, Researchers and Journalists." Rob Pegoraro, "Fast Forward" editor, The Washington Post, covers the Internet and computer hardware and software for this high technology area of The Post published Fridays in the "Weekend" section. He recently covered the Internet World trade show in New York. 4:30 to 5:30 p.m. Reception with cash bar Early reservations are encouraged. The cost is $85 for WIW members and $110 for non-members for advance reservations; $100 for members and $125 for non-members at the door. A special combined rate for new membership and conference attendance is being offered at $170 for advance reservations, and $185 at the door. WIW is a non-profit organization based in Washington, D.C., for writers, editors and journalists. Founded in 1975, WIW is the largest regional writers' organization in the country with approximately 2,000 members. Persons wishing more information about the conference or reservations can call the WIW office at (202) 347-4973. Information is available on the World Wide Web at or via e-mail at . The WIW office is located at 220 Woodward Building, 733 15th St. N.W., Washington, D.C. 20005, USA. WIW also sponsors an Internet-based discussion and mailing list, WIW-L. To subscribe, send e-mail to , and in the body of the message, put the line "subscribe WIW-L your-first-name your-last-name" (without the quotation marks). [Please forgive the cross-posts.] - 30 - -- Ken Reigner cbs@digex.net Member, Board of Directors List Owner, WIW-L and WIW-JOBS Chairman, Technology Committee wiw-l-request@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu Washington Independent Writers wiw-jobs-request@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:21:20 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cynthia Bertelsen Subject: Re: QUICK HELP! Marlene London wrote: > To one of you smartie pants out there: > > For an index I'm sending off tomorrow, I'd like to have the first name of a > second-rate French painter named Fortuny. > Any help would be appreciated. Thanks for your help with my question a few > days ago re past presidents -- and for catching my typo! No, there aren't > any typos in my index .... > > Marlene London > Profindex@worldnet.att.net Marlene, Several others have pointed out that the Spanish painter Fortuny y Carbo, Mariano might be your man (also know as Fortuny y Marsal, Mariano--1838-1874--he was only 36 when he died, hmm). On the other hand, his son, Fortuny y Madrazo, Mariano (1871-1949), might also be your man. This comes from the Oxford Dictionary of Art. Perhaps you can put together the dates with the context of the discussion and decide which of these might be the one. Hope this helps. ***************************************** Cynthia D. Bertelsen Freelance Indexer Bertelsen Indexing Services cbertel@usit.net Editor-in-Chief, KEY WORDS, American Society of Indexers Web page: http://www.vt.edu:10021/B/bertel/ndx.html ***************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:49:13 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "David M. Spyres" Subject: Re: Creating a searchable database - THX 8-) Thank you **VERY** much for the suggestions and comments!!! Being the only person that will be dealing with the software, and being the only one responsible for dealing with the thousands of records, *and* ultimately being the one RESPONSIBLE if it works or not, your suggestions were extremely valuable :) Much Thanks!! Dave dmspyres@spyresinc.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:58:48 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: QUICK HELP! In-Reply-To: <199802110508.XAA06462@mixcom.mixcom.com> >Could your painter be Spanish? I found Fortuny y Carbo, Mariano Jose Maria >Bernardo!1838-1874. Resided in Rome. Known for historical and genre paintings. >This from Webster's Biographical Dictionary. > And just to make sure we cover all the Fortunys, he had a son who was also a painter (and sculptor, designer, photographer, and inventor): Mariano Fortuny y Madrazo (1871-1949). I hope you'll be able to pick the right Fortuny by the dates. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer http://www.mixweb.com/Roberts.Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:57:39 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marsha Lofthouse Subject: Question: Indexing Online Help The software company where I just started working has an existing online help system where clicking an index entry (sometimes a heading, sometimes a subhead) takes the user to a list of topics rather than to a specific topic. Are there any usability studies showing the pros or cons of this practice? (And no, the topic titles are not sufficiently clear to always show the relationship between the topic shown in the list and the keyword selected.) I generally try to structure the index so clicking the index entry takes you directly to a topic, not a list. However, the VP of Engineering (who signs my check ) argues that accessing a list is the way MS Money does it and the audience for MS Money is similar to the audience for our software. Thoughts??? Thanks in advance, Marsha Lofthouse TargetSmart, Inc. 303.698.2233 ext. 234 mlofthouse@targetsmartinc.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:29:59 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Art Elser Subject: Re: Question: Indexing Online Help Marsha Lofthouse wrote: > Are there any usability studies showing the pros or cons > of this practice? (And no, the topic titles are not sufficiently clear > to always show the relationship between the topic shown in the list and > the keyword selected.) For a discussion of online indexing that might help answer your question, see "Indexing Online Information" by Earle, Berry, and Nichols of IBM in Technical Communication, Second Quarter, 1996, pp 146-156. Art Elser Information Developer, U S WEST ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:29:55 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lillian Ashworth Subject: getty url + thx First, the url for the J. Paul Getty site is < http://www.getty.edu/index2.htm > . This gets you to the home page and there are links from there; however, it is anything but quick. Once you get into the research institute link you can search their online catalog (they use IRIS). I did a search there for "Fortuny" and turned up 24 hits --but overall it took roughly 30 minutes. Any good online library catalog will return hits --with dates-- for authors, composers, artists, performers, etc, by using the "author" field as the search. Numerous libraries have online catalogs which are accessible on the Web. Perhaps the most useful library catalog is that maintained by the Library of Congress. It is also a quicker connection. The url is This takes you directly to the LOC catalog page. Second, Thanks to all who responded to my query regarding ink jet printers. I was able to return the fixative spray to the office supply store and exchange it for transparent ink jet labels. I plan to use them as protective coverings over the address on the envelope and, if they pass the spatter test, as the actual print medium, since printing labels is probably easier than feeding in the envelopes. I also received a crash course on special coatings for ink jet papers --all of which is very valuable knowledge. So, again, many thanks to all of you who responded. Lillian Ashworth ashworth@pullman.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:27:57 -0800 Reply-To: mclaughb@cgs.edu Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Bonny McLaughlin Organization: cgs.edu Subject: Re: QUICK HELP! For future reference, the Getty searchable databases are at http://www.ahip.getty.edu/aka/aka_form_pub.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:28:31 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jan C. Wright" Subject: Re: Question: Indexing Online Help In-Reply-To: <199802112008.PAA10633@camel5.mindspring.com> Is this a winhelp system? Actually, if you can get the writers to rewrite the topic titles, they can function as your third level headings very nicely, and users don't seem to have a problem with them. Where they have problems is if you display more than 5 or 7 topics. Or when the index is so incomplete that they don't bother using it. You need to write the index so that it doesn't jump them to a list of 25 topics, just 5 or less. If you want to talk more about the fun of such systems go ahead and send me email - I work with them a lot, hate them all, but try to make them the best I can. You can check my website for the article I wrote on winhelp keywording - it's at www.mindspring.com/~jancw Jan At 12:57 PM 2/11/98 -0700, you wrote: >The software company where I just started working has an existing online >help system where clicking an index entry (sometimes a heading, >sometimes a subhead) takes the user to a list of topics rather than to a >specific topic. Are there any usability studies showing the pros or cons >of this practice? (And no, the topic titles are not sufficiently clear >to always show the relationship between the topic shown in the list and >the keyword selected.) > >I generally try to structure the index so clicking the index entry takes >you directly to a topic, not a list. However, the VP of Engineering (who >signs my check ) argues that accessing a list is the way MS Money >does it and the audience for MS Money is similar to the audience for our >software. > >Thoughts??? > >Thanks in advance, > >Marsha Lofthouse >TargetSmart, Inc. >303.698.2233 ext. 234 >mlofthouse@targetsmartinc.com > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:47:12 -0800 Reply-To: mclaughb@cgs.edu Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Bonny McLaughlin Organization: cgs.edu Subject: Re: getty site Lillian Ashworth wrote: > This gets you to the home page and there are links from there; however, it > is anything but quick. I used the searchable databases and got 29 hits in about 2 seconds. The database options are Avery Index to Architectural Periodicals, International Reperatory of the Literature of Art (RILA), and two provenance sale catalogs. I usually use RILA and the default option of A&A Thesaurus as a vocabulary enhancement, although a few times I've had to use the Union List of Artist Names for someone who is really obscure. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:33:09 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marlene London Subject: Painter You're a great group! No fewer than 10 of you replied to my query re the so-called French painter. Turns out he's one Fortuny y Carbo, Mariano -- a Spanish fellow! I also appreciated receiving the sources you used. With y'all out there, I'm not alone when I run into problems! Now, if only I could get more indexing projects ... Marlene London Profindex@worldnet.att.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:46:47 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nancy Noyes Subject: Re: Question: Indexing Online Help My only immediate thought (having had to work with documentation in areas that I didn't fully understand or use myself) is this: Do you use this software yourself? If it is something that is targeted at a specific type of user (or group of users?), perhaps your 'paycheck' is correct in his assertions. Those who use it may understand immediately the connections between the listed items and their index selection, where a non-target user may scratch their head at the results. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:40:39 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Martha Wood Subject: usda course Hello all, I am new to the list. I want to pursue a career as an indexer. So far I have only taken a video seminar. I am thinking of enrolling in the USDA course. Has anyone on the list taken it? Any other tips? Thanks, Martha ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:00:19 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "J.A Binns" Subject: addresses and terrorists Two parts to my message. 1. I am an indexer living in Great Britain. I recently requested a list of subscribers to INDEX-L, listed by country, in order to see how many other British members there are. I was surprised to find myself listed under the United States, presumably because my e-mail address does not end in 'uk'. The vast majority of subscribers are listed under the United States, and no doubt the majority of you are indeed American, but how many of the rest of you are wrongly listed - and does it matter? Is there any way of telling a person's origin if their e-mail address does not have the relevant suffix? I could only choose the first bit of my address, not the rest, and I don't think I can change it. 2. More relevant to indexing. I am currently indexing a book on terrorism, and I can't decide whether to list each organization separately or under its country (oh dear - back to countries of origin again!)eg. should I put the IRA (for which there are many subheadings) under Ireland, which also has other subheadings, or as a heading on its own with a cross-reference from Ireland? The same applies to the Shining Path and Peru, the Red Brigade and Italy, and many other similar organizations in different countries. Or maybe they should be listed both under the country and as a separate main heading. I normally get a feeling for this type of thing quite quickly with different books, but in this case I keep changing my mind. What would you do? What would be most useful? Margaret Binns ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:10:44 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: PilarW@AOL.COM Subject: Washington, DC Chapter, ASI -- 20th Anniversary Celebration Washington, DC Chapter American Society of Indexers 20th Anniversary Celebration Where We've Been -- Where We're Going: From CRT to the Internet Saturday, April 4, 1998 9:00 am -- 4:00 pm Embassy Suites Old Town Alexandria, VA The Washington, DC Chapter of the American Society of Indexers is please d to invite you to a day-long extravaganza in celebration of our 20th Anniversary. Join us! Highlights Keynote Speaker, Ron Dunn, President, Information Industry Association, and former indexer, "Confronting the Future: Bracing for the Brave New Information World" Indexers Panel with USDA instructor Vicky Agee, long-time indexer Susan Lohmeyer, Wilson Award-winner Jeanne Moody, Chapter Secretary Richard Shrout, and moderated by past Chair L. Pilar Wyman Great Moments in Indexing Dorothy Thomas, ASI's oral historian, will interview officers and members who have been active from the start, including first DC/ASI Chapter Chair Jolene Blozis, Vicky Agee, Jane Maddocks, and Enid Zafran Publishers Panel with Mary Ann Chulick, West Group, Nancy Davidson, Brookings Institution, and others, and moderated by past Chair Enid Zafran Annual Business Meeting Drawing for a free airplane trip to the annual meeting in Seattle, WA Software Demos: Cindex, SkyIndex, and Macrex How to get there Embassy Suites is at 1900 Diagonal Road in Alexandria, VA, 703/684-5900. Directly across the street is the King Street Metro Station, served by both the blue and yellow lines. By car, from the south, take I-95 North to Capital Beltway exit 2B, Telegraph Road. Take exit 236 East to Alexandria, and then left at the 3rd light onto Diagonal Road. The hotel will be on your right. From the north, take I-95 South across the Woodrow Wilson Bridge to exit 1, Route 1, to North Alexandria. At the 4th light turn left onto Duke Street, then right at the 4th light onto Daingerfield. Turn left at the 2nd light onto Diagonal Road. The hotel will be on your left. Parking at the hotel garage is $2/day. Pay as you leave. For more information contact Chair-Elect Mike Bernier at mbernier@bna.com or 202/452-6395 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- Registration Form Fee: $45/members, $55/nonmembers, lunch included. Send checks made out to "Washington, DC Chapter, ASI" to: Mike Bernier, The Bureau of National Affairs, 1231 25th Street, N.W., Room N-464, Washington, DC 20037 by March 25, 1998. Name Telephone Mailing address E-mail Dietary Restrictions/Vegetarian? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:22:45 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rica Night Subject: Re: addresses and terrorists >2. More relevant to indexing. I am currently indexing a book on terrorism, >and I can't decide whether to list each organization separately or under >its country (oh dear - back to countries of origin again!)eg. should I put >the IRA (for which there are many subheadings) under Ireland, which also >has other subheadings, or as a heading on its own with a cross-reference >from Ireland? The same applies to the Shining Path and Peru, the Red >Brigade and Italy, and many other similar organizations in different >countries. Or maybe they should be listed both under the country and as a >separate main heading. Margaret, I'd give the organizations their own main headings (since readers may not always know their countries of origin). Then, under their countries of origin, I'd either double-post (for entries with just a few locators) or cross-reference (for larger, more complex entries). Hope this helps. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Ms.) Rica Night rnight@inforamp.net * Freelance Copyeditor, Proofreader, Indexer * Seminar Leader: _Networking With Integrity_ and _Romance Meets Reality: Becoming Your Own Boss_ Toronto, Canada 416-463-EDIT "My own boss: when I talk, *I* listen!" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 05:24:48 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pam Rider Subject: Re: addresses and terrorists In-Reply-To: <199802131036.CAA21396@powergrid.electriciti.com> I'd give the world not to have insight on terrorism. A dear friend was a fatal victim of an airline hijacking. In helping with legal research for her surviving family, I dealt with a number of books on terrorism. Consistently, groups were indexed by group name, with little or no cross referencing. As an indexer, I believe that it's the role of the textural material to provide information on links and the index to get the reader to those connections. I would never as an indexer "add" to what is written in text. If a group within a larger group is mentioned enough for a main heading, I would cross reference from the small to the large group. I suspect there are also choices between names of groups (varying between popular press names, official names, nicknames, and such). I would index primarily known names, with other usages following in parentheses: Winnie the Pooh Liberation (Free the Milne Toys) Free the Milne Toys (Winnie the Pooh Liberation) Pam Rider Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth prider@electriciti.com prider@tsktsk.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:53:15 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Janice Coffield Subject: addresses and terrorists -Reply Answer to the 2nd part - it may depend on the way the book is written and who the audience is, but I certainly would be looking for both the country and the name of the group if I were looking in that index. Even when there is going to be only one heading for a country, I'd still put it there, either as a subheading or incorporated into the main heading (e.g. Ireland, IRA). It sounds like an interesting book to index! Janice Coffield Lexis Law Publishing >>> J.A Binns 02/13/98 05:00am >>> Two parts to my message. 1. I am an indexer living in Great Britain. I recently requested a list of subscribers to INDEX-L, listed by country, in order to see how many other British members there are. I was surprised to find myself listed under the United States, presumably because my e-mail address does not end in 'uk'. The vast majority of subscribers are listed under the United States, and no doubt the majority of you are indeed American, but how many of the rest of you are wrongly listed - and does it matter? Is there any way of telling a person's origin if their e-mail address does not have the relevant suffix? I could only choose the first bit of my address, not the rest, and I don't think I can change it. 2. More relevant to indexing. I am currently indexing a book on terrorism, and I can't decide whether to list each organization separately or under its country (oh dear - back to countries of origin again!)eg. should I put the IRA (for which there are many subheadings) under Ireland, which also has other subheadings, or as a heading on its own with a cross-reference from Ireland? The same applies to the Shining Path and Peru, the Red Brigade and Italy, and many other similar organizations in different countries. Or maybe they should be listed both under the country and as a separate main heading. I normally get a feeling for this type of thing quite quickly with different books, but in this case I keep changing my mind. What would you do? What would be most useful? Margaret Binns ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:28:23 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sharon Wright Subject: addresses and terrorists -Reply I would reference the individual terrorist groups under both the country of origin or operation and the name of the group. If I felt there were enough references to one particular group, like the IRA, I would just put a cross reference under the main heading, but I would make sure that they were somehow represented. Sounds like an interesting book! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:47:11 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nancy Noyes Subject: Re: addresses and terrorists I would do both methods, cross referencing them. If a user doesn't know the country where the terrorists 'hang out' they can find them by name. Likewise, a user who needs to research what groups are in a particular country, they can search by the country. Nancy Noyes All Write ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:05:03 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Anne Taylor Subject: "Whoops, there goes another CD-ROM" (US News and World Report) Hello, I received this from a coworker who subscribes to the "Discussion of Government Document Issues " and thought this would also be of interest to many of us who work with both print and electronic information. Apologies to those not interested. I've cut the header information--about a screen and half's worth. If you would like to see the full path and such, let me know and I'll send it to your email account. Anne >----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >On pages 67 and 68 of the Feb. 16, 1998, issue of US News and World Report >is an article, "Whoops, there goes another CD-ROM" by Laura Tangley, which >discusses what many of us already know but our patrons (perhaps even >directors, boards, etc.) might not, which is that modern media have much >lower average lifespans than your "lowly" and "old-fashioned" book, at least >if the book is published on archival-quality paper. > >Furthermore, it specifically mentions this in the context of Government >information: "with a bit of effort one can still make out the words of the >Declaration of Independence...Future generations will be fortunate, however, >if they get a chance to view the records of the current Congress, or to look >at some 8 million presidential files" of the Clinton administration, because >"most of these documents will be in the form of computer disks, CD-ROMs, and >magnetic tapes. And these modern record-keepers, archivists warn, are >turning out to be far less durable in many cases than simple parchment." > >There is a graph on page 68 showing the relative lifespans of different media. > >I already made a photocopy for our director and I thought others might want >to look at it and pass it on as well. > --,----;-@ --'-,--@ --,--'--@ * * * * * @--'-,-- @--,--'- @--;---;-- >Lois Aleta Fundis, Reference/Government Documents Librarian ^~~~~^ >Mary H. Weir Public Library, Weirton, WV 26062 (O) (O) > fundisl@weirton.lib.wv.us 304-797-8510 (fax -8526) \/ >http://weirton.lib.wv.us/hancock/weir/maryweir.html >Check the Stumpers archives: >"...any explanation requiring more than one > 'supposedly' should not be taken seriously." -- Evan Morris > Anne Cleester Taylor University of Missouri-St. Louis Thomas Jefferson Library Reference ataylor@umsl.edu http://www.umsl.edu/~ataylor ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:45:00 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lisa Costello Subject: Re: "Whoops, there goes another CD-ROM" (US News and World Report) Hello all, This article is also available on the USNews web site at: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/980216/16digi.htm The graph is on the page as well, and is fairly readable. Lisa Costello At 11:16 AM 2/13/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > >I received this from a coworker who subscribes to the "Discussion of >Government Document Issues " and thought this would >also be of interest to many of us who work with both print and electronic >information. Apologies to those not interested. > >I've cut the header information--about a screen and half's worth. If you >would like to see the full path and such, let me know and I'll send it to >your email account. > >Anne > >>----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >>On pages 67 and 68 of the Feb. 16, 1998, issue of US News and World Report >>is an article, "Whoops, there goes another CD-ROM" by Laura Tangley, which >>discusses what many of us already know but our patrons (perhaps even >>directors, boards, etc.) might not, which is that modern media have much >>lower average lifespans than your "lowly" and "old-fashioned" book, at least >>if the book is published on archival-quality paper. >> ========================================================= Lisa Costello lcostello@usnews.com Index Editor 202/955-2224 (vox) USNews & World Report 202/955-2506 (fax) http://www.usnews.com/ Opinions expressed are individual, not corporate. (Can a corporation have opinions?) ========================================================= ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:17:31 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rennie Petersen Subject: INDEX-L addresses and spammers When I first subscribed to this mailing list three weeks ago I was very surprised to find that it is possible to obtain a list of the member's e-mail addresses. This is usually not allowed because spammers love to get a fresh batch of victims in this way. So the first thing I did was to send a "conceal" command to the server. Has this been debated before? Have any members of this list been hit by spammers and suspect that it is their membership of this list that got them that problem? Yours, Rennie Petersen ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:15:22 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: INDEX-L addresses and spammers At 06:17 PM 2/13/1998 +0100, Rennie Petersen wrote: >Has this been debated before? Have any members of this list been hit by >spammers and suspect that it is their membership of this list that got them >that problem? Thanks for reminding folks about the CONCEAL command. That's a great thing to know about. I don't believe this issue has been discussed here, but I get almost no spam at all from any of my newsgroup membership lists (I'm not set CONCEAL on most of them). I used to get a couple dozen spams on my AOL account every day, but recently that has been reduced to a trickle. Partly because of the new mail controls, and partly, IMO, because they are finally getting enough help to handle the situation internally. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:23:23 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barry Koffler Subject: Re: INDEX-L addresses and spammers In-Reply-To: <199802131726.MAA20621@ulster.net> >When I first subscribed to this mailing list three weeks ago I was very >surprised to find that it is possible to obtain a list of the member's >e-mail addresses. This is usually not allowed because spammers love to get >a fresh batch of victims in this way. So the first thing I did was to send >a "conceal" command to the server. > is that done by sending to the listserv address with the subject "conceal"? -Barry oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo barkof@ulster.net Barry Koffler mid-Hudson Valley, NY the FeatherSite at http://www.cyborganic.com/People/feathersite/ lead me not into temptation . . . I can find it myself. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:25:14 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Re: INDEX-L addresses and spammers In a message dated 98-02-13 12:24:54 EST, you write: << Has this been debated before? Have any members of this list been hit by spammers and suspect that it is their membership of this list that got them that problem? >> I don't think this list is any more vulnerable than any other; we're all victims of the spammers who use the Internet to steal our time and resources. My personal practice is to go thru the subject list and delete anything that SOUNDS like spam without opening the message, even tho I occasionally get caught by an innocuous-sounding one that makes me blush when I read the first 3 words. The downside is that relevant messages also get deleted if their subject lines (like "Terrorist addresses") sound suspicious. Which is why I would URGE all Index-Lers to make sure that their subject lines are explicit as to content. Carolyn Weaver ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:05:49 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Bryant Subject: Re: usda course At 10:40 PM 02/12/1998 -0500, you wrote: >Hello all, > >I am new to the list. I want to pursue a career as an indexer. So far I >have only taken a video seminar. I am thinking of enrolling in the USDA >course. Has anyone on the list taken it? Any other tips? > >Thanks, >Martha > Hello to all, I am new, also, and listening in on the list for tips. I work full time as a school media specialist....a job which I truly love!!! However, I am on the road two hours a day for my commute and want more than anything in life to stay home and read and do meaningful work. So, I'm listening in before I take the USDA course. Thank you to everyone who responds. Charlotte Bryant Anderson, South Carolina cbryant@carol.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:55:04 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Gerri Gray Subject: USDA course, yes! Martha and Charlotte: I am currently doing the last lesson in the USDA course. I have really enjoyed the course. My instructior has been generous with her time in writing comments and very prompt in returning my lessons. I have used and taught indexes for many years and I have found it exciting to discover how people go about creating these wonderful tools. I discovered why I disagree with some of the rules as a user, but it is also gratifying to find that some of the rules have changed recently and that there is room for creativity. (See also Indexes, humor, avoidance of :>) The course is structured in a way that also helps you gain confidence in your ability to plunge in. In addition to the course, I cannot recommend too highly the wonderful people on Index-l who take the time to share their experience. This last discussion on editing gave me a feeling for the personal variations in the process. I particularly liked the suggestion of not indexing the first chapter until you have finished the rest of the book. Join your local chapter of ASI and check-out the ASI home page at http://www.well.com/user/asi I found it very useful to choose an indexing software and learn how to use it while I was taking the USDA course. I at least have the basics undercontrol (more or less) before I try creating an index with a deadline. Good luck to you both. Gerri Gray Reference Librarian (May I call myself an Indexer when I finish my current volunteer project?) Baltimore, MD ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 18:45:41 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Martha Wood Subject: usda I just want to thank everyone for their replies to my question about the usda course. Serendipity has struck since I found out today I have a paycheck coming for unused personal time at my job. I've decided to use it to pay for the course. I've decided taking the course will give me confidence and force me to do what I might not do if I try and teach myself-too easy to slack! ;-D Thanks again everyone. I look forward to learning from all of you here on the list. Martha ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 22:24:59 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Holler Subject: Re: usda I am very glad to see so many people encouraging new and want-to-be indexers.I assume you are all talking about the first USDA course, as I have inquired about the second course with only one person replying. It might be helpful, if any others have taken that course, to have some input as to your thoughts on the course. Also, if no one is taking the second course, is there a reason that can be talked about here on the list? I am one of the many who have taken the first USDA course and was very impressed with not only the course itself, but the instructor as well. She was very willing not only to point out my mistakes, but also able to encourage me by pointing out the things I did well. I am nearly finished with the second course. This is totally different then the first course. The instructor is acting as your editor and as an editor only points out your mistakes. Unlike the person who responded to my earlier inquiry about this course, I have found this very discouraging. True, you are learning a new craft, but a kind word once in awhile surely couldn't hurt too much. Maybe there will be some responses now that I have stated my take on the course. I hope so, Susan Holler ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 23:07:37 -0500 Reply-To: brocindx@catskill.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin A. Broccoli" Organization: Broccoli Indexing Services Subject: Re: usda Susan Holler wrote: > > I am very glad to see so many people encouraging new and want-to-be indexers.I > assume you are all talking about the first USDA course, as I have inquired > about the second course with only one person replying. It might be helpful, if > any others have taken that course, to have some input as to your thoughts on > the course. Also, if no one is taking the second course, is there a reason > that can be talked about here on the list? > I am one of the many who have taken the first USDA course and was very > impressed with not only the course itself, but the instructor as well. She was > very willing not only to point out my mistakes, but also able to encourage me > by pointing out the things I did well. > I am nearly finished with the second course. This is totally different then > the first course. The instructor is acting as your editor and as an editor > only points out your mistakes. Unlike the person who responded to my earlier > inquiry about this course, I have found this very discouraging. True, you are > learning a new craft, but a kind word once in awhile surely couldn't hurt too > much. > Maybe there will be some responses now that I have stated my take on the > course. > I hope so, > Susan Holler Well, yes, the 2nd course is a bit different in its design than the first. However, as Susan has mentioned it is set up so as to simulate the editor-indexer relationship one finds in the real world. Indexers seldom hear feedback of a positive nature, except in the way of being used again by the same publisher. My viewpoint has always been- be as hard and critical on me now while taking a course, it will only benefit me in the future. It's true that many publishers may be less nitpicky than the USDA instructors might be at times, but it prepares us for whatever we might come up against. Because of this, I have actually thanked my instructor (of the 2nd course) for her thorough, and detailed corrections and advice on my indexes. The more red ink I see on my papers- the more I can see where to refine my abililities with what can only be seen as an art that will never be perfected, only improved. Kevin A. Broccoli Broccoli Indexing Services brocindx@catskill.net