From: SMTP%"LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu" 26-MAR-1998 05:47:46.77 To: CIRJA02 CC: Subj: File: "INDEX-L LOG9802D" Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:42:57 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB (1.8a) Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9802D" To: CIRJA02@GSVMS1.CC.GASOU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:38:28 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Mary Mortensen Subject: Re: changes to indexes (was: feedback from editors) Not a horror story, but an experience that shows that changes made to our completed indexes are not unusual (I have also had previous experiences of this in my 3 years of indexing). This afternoon at the local university library I found two books that I indexed that I had not yet seen. I am comparing the published indexes to the version I sent and am feeling a bit discouraged. Maybe I should not have looked at both on the same day. One index was not changed at all, but the pagination of the front matter was: two pages of acknowledgements were added before an introduction that I indexed. The entries that refer to those pages (numbered with roman numerals) are now all incorrect. To add insult to injury, in the acknowledgements, the author thanks his daughter for helping with the index !!! (I am going to ask the editor about this, as well as mention the incorrect page numbers.) In the second book, the only change I've seen so far is that the editor moved all the entries I'd made under acronyms to the spelled-out versions. There was nothing in the publisher's guidelines about acronyms, and the acronyms are used extensively in the book. (The topic is international trade, and I believed that readers would look up the acronyms NAFTA, ASEAN, etc. before the spelled-out versions.) Even where I had double-posted, under both the acronym and the spelled-out version (when there were only 1 or 2 locators and the entries were widely separated), the editor replaced the locators at the acronym with a See cross-reference. I haven't checked every instance yet, but I have found at least one case where the change was *not* made, so the editor was not even consistent. One consequence of this is that cross-references I made from related topics to the acronyms now require the reader to follow a second cross-reference. For example, under "Asia-Pacific region", I put "See also APEC". This was not changed, but the entry for APEC now says "See Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation." Sorry, readers. This was the first book I indexed for this client, and I have done one since then (I haven't seen it), but at that time, the editor did not mention a preference for posting at spelled-out versions rather than acronyms. I will definitely ask if he calls me again, however. Mary -- * Mary Mortensen * marymort@aol.com * Lawrence, Kansas, USA ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 20:03:57 -0500 Reply-To: rshrout@erols.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Shrout Subject: Seattle Get-Together for SKY Index Pro Users and Possible Users Please respond back to me directly at rshrout@erols.com if you are interested in getting together in Seattle. Anyone out there who is already using SKY Pro or is interested in learning more about it from indexers using it: How about getting together on Wednesday night for dinner? Let me know if that is possible. Thursday would be another possibility. Kamm is very busy working on the software and the manual so I took the lead on this. He is planning to be there also. I will set up an e-mail list so we can communicate with each other. I would like to know ways that others are using the program. For instance , I just discovered this evening that it is better to edit first before dealing with orphans - the editing goes much faster. So let me know if you are interested in joining the SKY Pro group in Seattle for our first very informal meeting - when and exactly where to be decided. Richard Shrout 301-963-2591 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:52:44 -0800 Reply-To: ljm2001@ibm.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LJM Subject: Separating business and personal phone records My latest AT&T phone bill announces a new service called "AT&T Call Organizer". According to the blurb, domestic and international direct dialed long distance calls can be organized according to personal codes. This would allow separation of business and personal calls on one phone line bill. It says the service is free. I haven't actually spoken to them about it yet, so I just know what was mentioned in the message. I thought this might be of interest to those just starting out who don't want to spring for a separate phone line just yet. Laura ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:07:09 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Anne Taylor Subject: Re: Target audiences? At 09:58 AM 2/19/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all. This disagreement came up yesterday between my co-editor (I'm >primarily an editor) and me. I'm hoping y'all can set me straight one way >or the other. I'm writing the last index of a 43 volume series of technical >memoranda I've produced (edited and typeset for the last 6+ plus). My >co-editor says that the index content should be geared to our *target* >audience of scientists and researchers, regardless of the fact that they >are not the only ones getting our series. (It also goes to university >libraries for students, grad students, and teachers; computer programmers; >bureaucrats; etc.) I'm of the opinion that the index should be as complete >as possible (we don't have space constraints) so that all levels of our >readership can make optimum use out of it. > >Opinions please? Since I have no formal indexing training, I'm going by >what _I_ consider to be a good and useful index. Please reply to the list. > >Thanks a bunch. > >elaine Hello Elaine, Go with the "...complete as possible..." indexing option; it will not hamper use by scientists and researchers. To 'target' these users means that you've prejudged what the individuals in the audience need--very tricky manuever. In fact, a marvelous index will likely enhance the set's value in the eyes of academic and public librarians who must stretch ever-shrinking real dollars to cover ever-rising prices for an increasing number of specialized reference resources. Your product needs to shine and a solid index can make the difference between purchase and pass-it-by. (It has for me.) Happy indexing, Anne Anne Cleester Taylor University of Missouri-St. Louis Thomas Jefferson Library Reference ataylor@umsl.edu http://www.umsl.edu/~ataylor ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:16:20 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Seattle airport? Any recommendations on which Seattle airport to use for the conference? Which is closest to the hotel? Dick ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:43:30 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Joan Shapiro Subject: Re: Help for newbie, educating a client I'm sorry I am just reading your call for help now -- it has been a couple of weeks since you posted. I wonder how things have turned out, and, if you did continue with this project. I am taking the USDA course and also accepted a non-profit group's cookbook project for experience. It was equally frustrating, but I still feel it was worth the time I put into it. The "editor" on my project didn't give much thought to recipe placement at all. Similar dishes ended up in dissimilar categories. Many of the dishes were duplicates, as this was a "community" cookbook. Submissions were from people who like to cook, but don't know how to write a recipe. The challenge was to find a way to provide some uniformity. I generally indexed recipes under the two or three main ingredients, sometimes more. It was a terrific lesson in cross-referencing. I also volunteered a Table of Contents, which included all recipes in chronological order. Some may argue this undermined the index, but I felt the book needed a list of recipes at a glance. In the end, I felt it helped me apply what I had learned so far in my course. But, a professionally written and edited book would have been a more productive exercise. I would be curious to hear how your assignment turned out? Joan Shapiro Aspiring Indexer ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:56:42 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Re: Seattle airport? In a message dated 98-02-23 11:19:22 EST, you write: << Any recommendations on which Seattle airport to use for the conference? Which is closest to the hotel? >> Unless you're coming via commuter plane, you really don't have a lot of options; SeaTac is it for most major airlines; I'm not sure any of the majors fly into Boeing Field. There is good scheduled transportation (as alternatives to taxis) from SeaTac to most downtown hotels. Carolyn Weaver ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:29:08 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Helen W Ochej Subject: PubMed medical vocabulary I want to bring the attention of medical indexers to some new features on PubMed since January 26, 1998. PubMed is the free Medline that is available on the net at http://www.nlm.nih.gov. The most helpful feature for indexers is access to the medical vocabulary (MeSH or Medical Subject Headings). Access to the vocabulary is now available through the MeSH browser feature. If you click on the MeSH browser you will get a window asking for a term. You can type in any medical term and the computer should be able to find the appropriate MeSH term and it will also give you the entire tree for that term with more specific and more general terms that are related. I tried a somewhat complicated term: foot abnormalities to see if the computer is smart enough to find some terms for this. It is not. It simply came up with foot and some abnormality terms. The MeSH term for this is foot deformities and sometimes we index foot/ab which is foot and a subheading abbreviation /ab for abnormalities. Since I know the term foot deformities, and can type it into the database, I can get a list of foot abnormality terms that are in the MeSH vocabulary. I would recommend medical indexers to play with this MeSH browser feature and see if it is useful for you. If you have any suggestions, NLM is still refining this new PubMed service and is open to suggestions from users. This is an opportunity for the indexing community to ask for what they need. I think this has the potential to be a quick and easy medical reference tool for all kinds of medical indexers! This is our opportunity to put democracy to work for us!!! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:15:40 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Helen W Ochej Subject: Capital indexers In the December 1997 issue of the Capital Indexer is a letter commenting on the DC/ASI member directory for the chapter. I picked up a copy at a local meeting and it is a very well put together brochure. I was surprised to see that many DC/ASI members are not listed (including myself)! It turns out that first of all you need to know the brochure exists (they were not mailed to members) You need to request one or get a copy at a local meeting. In the brochure is an application that you need to fill out if you want to be included! There is also a telepone number to call in the Capital Indexer December 1997 issue. Just thought everyone in the Captial region chapter should have an opportunity to be included. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:19:52 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Brackney Subject: photo section Greetings All: I'm indexing a book into which a section of eight pages of color photos will be introduced "somewhere between the signatures". Any tips for indexing this section as a whole 1) knowing and 2) not knowing which pages it will be placed between? Thanks. Michael ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:34:23 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paul Lightfoot Subject: Where are you? The Society of Indexers (UK) would like to make contact with indexers in other countries. We are already in touch with the American Society of Indexers (ASI), the Association of Southern African Indexers & Bibliographers, the Australian= Society of Indexers (AusSI) and the Indexing & Abstracting Society of Canada (IASC/SCAD). = Are there any other Indexing Societies, or lone indexers out there? If yo= u are an indexer in another country please do get in touch. = You may contact me: Sue Lightfoot I look forward to hearing from you. Sue ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:47:11 +1300 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Simon Cauchi Subject: Re: Where are you? I suppose I count as a "lone indexer" here in New Zealand -- though actually there are quite a few of us. I'm also a member of AusSI. From Simon Cauchi, Freelance Editor and Indexer 13 Riverview Terrace, Hamilton, New Zealand Telephone and facsimile +64 7 854 9229, e-mail cauchi@wave.co.nz ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:53:04 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Seth A. Maislin" Subject: Re: photo section In-Reply-To: Michael Brackney "photo section" (Feb 23, 10:19am) On Feb 23, 10:19am, Michael Brackney wrote: > I'm indexing a book into which a section of eight pages of color photos will > be introduced "somewhere between the signatures". Any tips for indexing > this section as a whole 1) knowing and 2) not knowing which pages it will be > placed between? How ironic, because I am facing an almost identical situation! In my case there will be 16 color pages, but I also know that they will "stuffed" into the book at about dead center. The pages will not be numbers, but each of the plates will have a caption and "figure number equivalent." Here's what I'm going to do. Instead of page numbers, I am going to use the figure numbers. Depending on what language the publisher and I agree upon, I might end up with index entries like these: Color models RGB map. See Color Plate #4 RGB color model map. See Color Plate #4 I will make sure that each color plate get it's own locator, and then I will use cross references and figure numbers instead of page numbers. Then, if it turns out that the figure numbers don't exist or aren't decided upon in time for the index, I will remove the numbers from my entries and stick with these: Color models RGB map. See color plates in this book RGB color model map. See color plates in this book Or something like that. - Seth -- Seth A. Maislin (seth@oreilly.com) O'Reilly & Associates Focus Publishing Services 90 Sherman Street 89 Grove Street Cambridge MA 02140 Watertown MA 02172-2826 (617) 499-7439 phone (617) 924-4428 (617) 661-1116 facsimile smaislin@world.std.com URL: http://www.oreilly.com/~seth Webmaster, Amer Soc of Indexers: http://www.well.com/user/asi ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:51:26 +1300 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Simon Cauchi Subject: photo section My solution in one such case, where I didn't know the position of the colour photos, was to use locators in the form "Plate 1", etc., according to the numbering system used in the captions. Thus the two colour photos on page 9 of the colour photos were "Plate 9a" and "Plate 9b". Unfortunately, though, the contents page wasn't altered at the last minute to show where the plates were fitted in between the text pages. It should have been. >I'm indexing a book into which a section of eight pages of color photos will >be introduced "somewhere between the signatures". Any tips for indexing >this section as a whole 1) knowing and 2) not knowing which pages it will be >placed between? From Simon Cauchi, Freelance Editor and Indexer 13 Riverview Terrace, Hamilton, New Zealand Telephone and facsimile +64 7 854 9229, e-mail cauchi@wave.co.nz ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:03:10 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: William Meisheid Subject: Re: Seattle airport? >>Any recommendations on which Seattle airport to use for the conference? Which is closest to the hotel? When you get into SeaTac, the only realistic airport, look for the regularly scheduled bus to the downtown hotels--they sell tickets at the booth on the pickup concourse, or you can get them from the driver. A roundtrip bus ticket is only $13. ______________________________________________________ William Meisheid "Thoughts still and always in progress" Certified RoboHELP Training http://www.sageline.com Sageline Publishing 410.465.1548 Fax: 410.465.1812 WUGNET/Help Authoring Forum - Sysop for: Style/Concepts/Etc E-mail: 70713.2225@compuserve.com or wgm@sageline.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:26:37 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sandra Topping Subject: Re: photo section Individual photos in photo sections like this are often referred to as Plate No.1, etc. The index entry might be something like: Bituminous coal seam, 426-427, Color Plate 3 Since the (usually glossy) color plate sections are easily distinguishable from text pages, this should suffice, no matter where they put them! Sandy ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:49:16 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nan Badgett Subject: AZ ASI Workshop Just a reminder: The registration deadline for the Arizona Chapter's Marc= h 14 workshop featuring Seth Maislin is March 6. If you plan to attend, don= 't miss the deadline! = Seth will discuss how classical indexing theory applies (or doesn't) to electronic media, covering such topics as search engines, hyperlinks as page numbers, index layout in HTML, embedded indexing, and online help. H= e will also discuss the changing business aspects of indexing and give his predictions on the future of indexing. = Cost is $60 for members, $75 for nonmembers and includes all day workshop= , lunch and snacks. For more information, please contact NBadgett@compuserve.com or = Jperlman@aol.com. Nan Badgett dba Word-a-bil-i-ty ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:29:26 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nancy Fontaine Subject: Re: photo section In-Reply-To: <199802231848.NAA14809@pike.sover.net> Hi, Seth. I saw your post to INDEX-L and followed the link to your home page. Congratulations on your engagement! I remeber when you were planning to go on that trip; I had no idea you had such big plans! Also congrats on your photography show. That sounds way cool. It was with a pang of regret that I read you had contracted with two indexers to help you at O'Reilly. I would have loved to have been one of them, but I couldn't figure a way to make it monetary sense. I still think about working with O'Reilly in those busy summer months when the driving in northern New England is nothing to worry about, hoping maybe it can still work out. Perhaps I will have more relevant experience by then. MacMillan Computer Publishing contacted me about freelancing for them. In the meantime, I have continued to do indexes for the American Association of Neurological Surgeons; as a matter of fact, there's one sitting next to me that I will start tomorrow. I also have been working next-to-full-time as a librarian. Two temproary positions opened up in December & January; one is finishing next month, but the other is supposed to last 18 more months. Keeps me off the street, I'll tell you! I hope all is going well with you. I would have loved to go to the ASI meeting in Seattle, but I don't think I can pull it off. But that's ok, I was able to attend a Seth Maislin class close to home! Take care, Nancy Fontaine ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:40:27 LCL Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Victoria Baker Subject: Spam troubles I know we've covered this before, but I wasn't getting spammed and if I kept the posts I'm not sure where they've gone. Can someone tell me the best way to deal with it (to get it to stop)? I keep getting get-rich-quick schemes (chain letters?). I use Eudora Light, which has filtering capacity. Send it to the list if it seems reasonable to do so, and I am most grateful for the help. Best, Victoria ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:09:23 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Wilkerson Subject: Re: Spam troubles I have American Online. I am not sure if Eudora Light has the same features on not. But AOL has a profile you can fill out to give other people you are talking to information about you. Since I changed my screen name from Bookindexr to TCOF I didn't bother filling out the profile and have not received a single email from anyone other than Index-L and the people I know. I don't use the chat rooms since we don't have the AOL chat anymore so I really don't need to fill out the profile. Evidently this is where they get their lists from. I am sure there has to be another way to keep from getting so much of this stuff that you are not interested in but I have never figured out how. Before I changed my name I was getting anywhere from ten to thirty spams a day. I think I will remain anonymous. Susan Wilkerson Email: TheCFP@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:32:20 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nancy Noyes Subject: Re: Spam troubles As a side note to that, I found that I was getting junk email from servers that friends of mine are using. For example, my former employer would exchange mail with me and suddenly I would get junk from someone else on her server (shore.net), or my best friend would send me a note and I would get junk from others who use msn.com where I never got junk from these before. All of this seemed to be because of AOLs filters -- if I say I will accept mail from friends who aren't on AOL, it opens the door for junk mail from those other servers. Oh, well. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:03:35 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Martha Osgood Subject: Re: Spam troubles In-Reply-To: <199802240305.TAA26537@darkwing.uoregon.edu> Victoria wrote >I know we've covered this before, but I wasn't getting spammed and if I >kept the posts I'm not sure where they've gone. Can someone tell me the >best way to deal with it (to get it to stop)? I keep getting >get-rich-quick schemes (chain letters?). I use Eudora Light, which has >filtering capacity. Send it to the list if it seems reasonable to do so, >and I am most grateful for the help. Oh, yes, please do send suggestions to the list. I am transfering to a new ISP and found 19 new messages on my new address before I had even told *anyone* of my new address. Some of the spam gave me the willies just reading the subject line before I deleted it. EEEuuuuw! Martha Osgood Back Words Indexing index@teleport.com www.teleport.com/~index ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:12:13 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Re: Spam troubles In the couple of weeks I've gotten very aggressive at dealing with the spam on AOL. I'm now opening EVERY msg (including the ones for which the subject lines alone make me blush!), scrolling down to the 'reply to' line and blocking that address, AND forwarding every one of those to Tosspam. And I've blocked the entire domain for most of the worst offenders, e.g., Hotmail. The bad ones tend to be the free ISPs (e.g., Juno) and Netcom. Would love to block Netcom, except that I also get a lot of legitimate mail on that one. As a result of this strategy the spam has decreased about 60%. I do feel like I'm winning, since I only had 3 spams this morning out of 10 msgs; in the past the percentages have been reversed. Carolyn Weaver ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:26:56 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barry Koffler Subject: Re: Spam troubles In-Reply-To: <199802241616.LAA15259@ulster.net> >And I've >blocked the entire domain for most of the worst offenders, e.g., Hotmail. The >bad ones tend to be the free ISPs (e.g., Juno) and Netcom. Would love to >block Netcom, except that I also get a lot of legitimate mail on that one. > Well, it's a good idea on one hand, OTOH, I get a fair amount of legitimate mail from Hotmail and Juno, so I'm stuck with them. But on my ISP I get nothing like the amount of spam my aol account picks up. I don't even use it anymore except to mail files to clients who have aol. they all get a message to NEVER respond to that address, as I no longer even look at the new mail there. If you take a new screen name on aol and only use it for work related stuff, and never go to message boards or chats, and don't do a profile, it seems to keep the spam to a minimum. I have 2 names I rarely use and they never receive spam. -Barry oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo barkof@ulster.net Barry Koffler mid-Hudson Valley, NY the FeatherSite at http://www.feathersite.com/ lead me not into temptation . . . I can find it myself. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:36:02 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Art Elser Subject: Re: Spam troubles Carolyn Weaver wrote: >>And I've blocked the entire domain for most of the worst offenders, e.g., Hotmail. The bad ones tend to be the free ISPs (e.g., Juno) and Netcom. Would love to block Netcom, except that I also get a lot of legitimate mail on that one.<< ABCNews.com had an article this morning that said a group from Usenet threatened to eliminate Netcom access from newsgroups, and Netcom has agreed to more agressively block spammers from its network. AOL has taken steps to do that also. I don't block anything on my AOL email account, but regularly delete all mail with "get rich quick" or pornographic subject lines. Also regularly delete all mail I get from Hotmail. The problem is that spammers are getting smarter and are including subject lines like: "Re: Your Question," or "I finally found you," or some other innocuous or personal sounding comment. This tactic makes it tough to block them with any blanket tactic or to know that it's really some mail you'd rather not open. Another problem I've almost deleted real messages from people I know but whose email address I didn't recognize. These messages have been from long lost cousins and friends who found me by searching the web. My email regularly contains between 30 and 60 percent spam. I use the automail download feature in AOL and then scroll through the mail to eliminate the obvious spam. This is a problem that's not easily fixed, except to stop accepting all email. Haven't figured out how to get rid of the junk mail in my snail mailbox either. :-) ================================================================== Art Elser (303) 965-4825 aelser@uswest.com Information Developer, U S WEST There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts. Illusions, Richard Bach =================================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:27:53 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jan C. Wright" Subject: Re: Spam troubles In-Reply-To: <199802241613.LAA23226@camel9.mindspring.com> Re: blocking spammers one by one I hate to tell you this, but my husband has taken this approach for months with AOL, and it does not work. He still gets just as much spam as he always has. The reason is, the spammers change their addresses all the time. So you can block this one today, and they will send you another tomorrow from a different address. It is a lot of effort to block this. I also found the email blocks do not work on AOL. I continued to get spam from the people I had specifically blocked. I moved to mindspring in november. I have yet to get _one_ spam message here, I guess because they have an effective spam blocker called "The Spaminator." Whatever it is, it's working. Jan Wright At 11:12 AM 2/24/98 EST, Carolyn Weaver wrote: >In the couple of weeks I've gotten very aggressive at dealing with the spam on >AOL. I'm now opening EVERY msg (including the ones for which the subject >lines alone make me blush!), scrolling down to the 'reply to' line and >blocking that address, AND forwarding every one of those to Tosspam. And I've >blocked the entire domain for most of the worst offenders, e.g., Hotmail. The >bad ones tend to be the free ISPs (e.g., Juno) and Netcom. Would love to >block Netcom, except that I also get a lot of legitimate mail on that one. > >As a result of this strategy the spam has decreased about 60%. I do feel like >I'm winning, since I only had 3 spams this morning out of 10 msgs; in the past >the percentages have been reversed. > >Carolyn Weaver > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:55:47 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Osp Subject: Looking for thesauri Hi everyone I'm cataloguing and indexing two special libraries and I'm looking for thesauri. The first is the library of the Lesbian and Gay Organization in Iceland, the main theme being (of course) homosexuality and bisexuality. Does anyone know of a "gay" thesauri? If not, does anyone know of a special library in the gay-subject area, on- or off-line? The second is the library of a public organization that organizes services to people with disabilities. Would a medical thesaurus cover the field? English is the prefered language, but all the Scandinavian languages will do fine (including Finnish). 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But in the index I'm working on now, I'm having a hard time figuring out where to draw the line between "marginally indexable" and "absolutely not indexable," and I'd love to hear how some of you would approach this. The book is a guide to America Online, and it includes how-to information as well as highlighted areas and sites available on AOL. It's actually pretty well written, and has a nice light style, getting lots of information across without being either techie or vapid. Where I'm running into trouble is with all the people who are mentioned in the text. There are a couple of individuals whose association with AOL is detailed; they're obviously indexable. Then there are, say, people who write commentaries or columns or run forums that can be found on AOL; I think they have a place in the index. Then there are people who have appeared in AOL's auditoriums in the past. The discussion is mainly about the numbers of attendees at their "events" (people like Michael Jackson, Bill Clinton, Sandra Bullock, Rosie O'Donnell (I don't watch much TV; is that "Rosie"?), Anthony Edwards). I'm inclined to include them, but this feels like a slightly gray area to me. And finally, there are a couple of fanciful mentions of Albert Einstein. He appears in the example of how to add individuals to your AOL Address Book, and the entry includes a quote (one that I'd never seen before, about how Germany and France would view his citizenship based on whether he was right or wrong about relativity). There are also quotes from online luminaries like John Perry Barlow on change and confusion on the Internet. On the theory that this could end up being one of those books that actually do get browsed via the index, my first inclination is to include *everyone* who has been even alluded to in the book..."Really? There's something about Albert Einstein in this book?". But as I'm moving into the editing stage, I can't figure out if that's excessive or just a little silly. I think silly is ok for this book, since it is successfully light. But I'd rather not be excessive ;D ! Any thoughts? Thanks in advance... Caroline ____________________________ Caroline Parks -- Indexcellence Indexing and Editorial Services Tijeras, NM 505-286-2738 caroline@rt66.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:08:02 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: David Billick Subject: Re: Seattle airport? Like many airports, SeaTac is also served by Shuttle Express. Tel. 1-800-487-RIDE (7433); a bit more expensive than the bus. And they have a web site where there's more info: http://www.shuttleexpress.com/shuttleexpress/seattle.html Gray Line buses also do the SeaTac to downtown service: Phone: (800)426-7532 Metro bus info: Phone: (206)553-3000 General info for the airport: http://www.quickaid.com/airports/sea/ David Billick Microsoft Start Reviewed Sites Database Program Manager > -----Original Message----- > From: William Meisheid [SMTP:wgm@SAGELINE.COM] > Sent: Monday, February 23, 1998 11:03 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: Seattle airport? > > >>Any recommendations on which Seattle airport to use for > the conference? > Which is closest to the hotel? > > When you get into SeaTac, the only realistic airport, look > for the regularly scheduled bus to the downtown hotels--they > sell tickets at the booth on the pickup concourse, or you > can get them from the driver. A roundtrip bus ticket is only > $13. > > ______________________________________________________ > William Meisheid "Thoughts still and always in progress" > Certified RoboHELP Training http://www.sageline.com > Sageline Publishing 410.465.1548 Fax: 410.465.1812 > WUGNET/Help Authoring Forum - Sysop for: Style/Concepts/Etc > E-mail: 70713.2225@compuserve.com or wgm@sageline.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:23:42 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Re: Spam troubles In a message dated 98-02-24 11:34:30 EST, you write: << I also found the email blocks do not work on AOL. I continued to get spam from the people I had specifically blocked. >> The ONLY reason I stick with AOL at this point is that my daughters can use the extra no-cost mailboxes while they're away at school (with a local phone call). Once they graduate and are paying for their own ISPs, I'm outa here! Have not rec'd any mail from addresses I've blocked, btw, although I agree that the Netcom addresses keep proliferating. I think the Netcom spammers are going thru the 'what to name your baby' book systematically! Carolyn ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:51:25 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sandra Topping Subject: Humor wanted for Key Words articles I've agreed to write an occasional indexing-related humor column for Key Words. I expect the columns will be short (a little goes a long way). I would appreciate contributions from Index-L subscribers Please send contributions OFF-LINE, DIRECTLY TO ME: SCTopping@aol.com For the first column, I'd like some "fluffy chat" -- contributions on cats -- how they "assist" their owners with indexing tasks. (Dog owners, be patient -- your turn will come.) Thanks in advance for your help, Sandy Topping ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:06:03 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Spam troubles In-Reply-To: <199802240503.XAA03166@mixcom.mixcom.com> >I know we've covered this before, but I wasn't getting spammed and if I >kept the posts I'm not sure where they've gone. Can someone tell me the >best way to deal with it (to get it to stop)? I keep getting >get-rich-quick schemes (chain letters?). I use Eudora Light, which has >filtering capacity. Send it to the list if it seems reasonable to do so, >and I am most grateful for the help. > >Best, >Victoria What I remember from that discussion is that if you reply to the address in the header, that just gives the sender your e-mail address. (Why wouldn't they have that already? I forget.) The only thing I've done about it (which seems to take care of a good chunk of it, BTW) is to use the Eudora filter to send to the trash any message that contains "$" or "offer" in the subject line. A few other messages still make it through, and I just trash those without replying or forwarding them anywhere. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer http://www.mixweb.com/Roberts.Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:48:38 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Seth A. Maislin" Subject: chat: Engagement congratulations Before *everyone* on this list starts congratulating me, thank you all for your warm wishes. Stacey and I got engaged on November 24 last year, and the wedding date is scheduled for October this year. The story of our engagement is on my Web page (the URL is in my signature below), so for you well-wishing voyeurs and lovers of romantic tales, enjoy. :-) For fun's sake, I'll add a bit more to the rumor pool. :-) Stacey is a freelance technical writer, and we met over the Internet when she was in her previous career incarnation as a computer help desk specialist. We share an office that was big enough for me but not for both of us, so we both look forward to buying a house with two office spaces. It's almost romantic. :-) I will be in Seattle for the conference, so the rest of the juicy details will have to wait until then. As Stacey joked to me once after a week's worth of people continued to ask about our wedding preparations, "How come nobody asks me about my career change any more?" - Seth -- Seth A. Maislin (seth@oreilly.com) O'Reilly & Associates Focus Publishing Services 90 Sherman Street 89 Grove Street Cambridge MA 02140 Watertown MA 02172-2826 (617) 499-7439 phone (617) 924-4428 (617) 661-1116 facsimile smaislin@world.std.com URL: http://www.oreilly.com/~seth Webmaster, Amer Soc of Indexers: http://www.well.com/user/asi ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:49:53 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Brackney Subject: run-on index with subsubs under main char Right now I have a problem: how to create a run-on index for an autobiography that has subsubs under the main character only. (I know I can do an indented--run-on combo -- with only the subsubs run-on -- but I need to save more space.) I think what I want is actually an indented section under the main character only -- hmmm, so I could make two files: one run-on and one combo and patch the main character block from the latter into the former! How does this arrangement sound? Michael Brackney Indexing Service 134 Kathleen Way Grass Valley, CA 95945 530-272-7088 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:30:36 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: CHAT: Epson Printers Prolems Hello, all-- This is a long note about outrage, sadness and despair at one company in particular and U.S. business practice in general. I am burdening my Index-L friends only because I need someone to sob at; the few items that relate at all to indexing I will relate first. After a long and fruitless struggle I am returning my THIRD Epson Color 600 printer to the store and they are welcome to it. I had chosen this particular model after reading advertisements, seeing one in operation at a Seybold convention, and reading industry reviews. The 1440 DPI resolution was particularly appealing. Since this was my first color printer I expected some problems, but as a technician my *almost* infinite patience would carry me through any adversities, I thought. INDEXERS NOTE: The material may exist _somewhere_ in the user's guide but I could find no references to a couple of important questions: the best method to adjust the printer's color output to match the monitor screen image, and how to prevent the machine from enlarging every image to fill the entire printed sheet? There was also some nice- sounding Adobe software included on the installation CD, but when the program asked me at installation "what serial number?" I could find no number in the manual, in the other accompanying paper, or on the CD label itself; there was also no user's guide included -- I suppose the manufacturer kindly lets you print your own manual. This camel's final straw was the nonfunctioning of the pushbutton: when pushed, this control brings the heads out of their little hutch for replacing. It was intermittent on the first example when I initially tried to use it, and failed entirely when I first needed to change the black cartridge. I returned the printer; the store replaced the unit with a fresh one with no hassle. [I did not yet realize that I was an albatross owner.] The second printer was up and running within a few minutes, since the software and cables were already in place, and I did not expect a repeat of my initial problem. Wrong. The button did not work on this one at all, fresh out of the box! I returned the printer. I began to wonder whether perhaps the button wasn't SUPPOSED to work unless the print head light was flashing, or something, so on this occasion I determined to wait until I again ran out of ink. [Since some of the instruction sheets and setup methods were so bizarre I also read every page of the manual to find a possible explanation: "the head cleaning button does not work on Saturdays". I was at least getting a full cartridge of ink out of the machine every time it failed, since I did not need to -- could not in fact -- replace it with a spare one. The first thing I did after setting up the _third_ copy of the machine was to press the magic button. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Blah. The hell with it. I am continuing with an orgy of printing until the cartridges are empty and then exchaging this THING for a Hewlett-Packard model 722C. [The gods must have been smiling yesterday, since I almost accidentally read in the March _PC Computing_ a review of the Epson printer against several other machines. I prefer the HP to the Lexmark 7200 partly because the HP's cartridges may fit in another printer I have, and partly because the Lexmark looks like a toy and the HP doesn't.] Another point of passing interest: even though this printer is designed for PC aa well as Macintosh use -- the connectors are there -- the Epson people chose not to include any cables. This was no hardship for me, since I had a spare in my shop, but imagine the real disappointment for someone just starting out with a new printer, and NOT living in a large metropolitan area as I do? It would be like giving someone a new car as a birthday present, but with an empty gas tank! Thank you for letting me rant. Epson has lost a customer forever, and perhaps some of my friends will appreciate these comments and warnings. Cheers, Dave T. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:15:06 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Data projector rental I want to rent a data projector, one of those gizmos that allow you to project a computer screen through an overhead projector, for the March meeting of the local ASI chapter. My local office equipment rental store just quoted me $300 (yes, three hundred!!!) dollars per day rental. Are they for real? Do these things really rent for that much? Dick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:40:00 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "John R. Sullivan" Subject: Re: Data projector rental Unfortunately, $300 is what they're renting for. The devices cost anywhere from about $3000 on up, so I guess you could expect to pay a lot to rent one. $300 seems outrageous, though! John Sullivan ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:48:06 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Data projector rental At 04:40 PM 2/24/98 EST, you wrote: >Unfortunately, $300 is what they're renting for. The devices cost anywhere >from about $3000 on up, so I guess you could expect to pay a lot to rent one. >$300 seems outrageous, though! Hell, I can rent a $30,000 Cadillac for less than $100 a day. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:37:34 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Roberta Horowitz Subject: Re: Data projector rental Dick There are various types and the fancy ones can go for that high. I would try a computer rental store and look for an LCD panel rather than the more fantsy data shows. One thing with the LCD panels you will need to have an overhead projector with a special lamp that does not get as hot as a regular overhead. You might see if any of your members have a contact at the local university as they could then rent one from the school at a much lower rate. Roberta Horowitz rhorowitz@acm.org At 04:15 PM 2/24/98 -0500, you wrote: >I want to rent a data projector, one of those gizmos that allow you to >project a computer screen through an overhead projector, for the March >meeting of the local ASI chapter. My local office equipment rental store >just quoted me $300 (yes, three hundred!!!) dollars per day rental. Are >they for real? Do these things really rent for that much? > >Dick > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:14:29 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Hannah Huse Subject: Re: Data projector rental:sources Our local ASI chapter rented a computer screen project from the local university for $50. I understand at least one other non-profit also rented the machine as well. I must add that the person who handed the thing over wasn't nearly as enthusiastic as the person who agreed to it over the phone. Rumor has it the university is not doing such rentals anymore. But it is a possible source. Good Luck, Hannah ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:29:22 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Craig Brown Subject: Re: data projector rental >>Are they for real? Do these things really rent for that much?<< Dick, Does this suggest a possible business sideline to you? :) Craig Brown ========================================== The Last Word lastword@i1.net Indexing (314)352-9094 www.i1.net/~lastword ========================================== ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:27:32 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jeri Lee Subject: Re: Seattle airport? Richard: Boeing Field is the closest airport as such, but all major hotels run shuttles from SeaTac. Check with the hotel for details. Jeri Lee Richard Evans wrote: > > Any recommendations on which Seattle airport to use for the conference? > Which is closest to the hotel? > > Dick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:02:45 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: William Meisheid Subject: Re: Data projector rental >>I want to rent a data projector, one of those gizmos that allow you to project a computer screen through an overhead projector, for the March meeting of the local ASI chapter. My local office equipment rental store just quoted me $300 (yes, three hundred!!!) dollars per day rental. Are they for real? Do these things really rent for that much? Dick, That was probably the price for a VGA (640X480) resolution projector and yes it is the price. Super VGA projectors go for $500-600 a day. I am currently looking at the possible purchase of an XGA model (1024X768) for use in my training sessions and it costs $9000. As to comparing cars and projectors, a better comparison would be other tools which usually rent somewhere in the neighborhood of 5-10% of actual value. I used to rent a $600 16 mm projector for $50. Car rental is a high volume, highly competitive situation, with a strong rollover market for selling off used rentals. That market doesn't exist in the projector arena. ______________________________________________________ William Meisheid "Thoughts still and always in progress" Certified RoboHELP Training http://www.sageline.com Sageline Publishing 410.465.1548 Fax: 410.465.1812 WUGNET/Help Authoring Forum - Sysop for: Style/Concepts/Etc E-mail: 70713.2225@compuserve.com or wgm@sageline.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:24:24 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Roberta Horowitz Subject: Re: Looking for thesauri You might want to check out the National Rehabilitation Information Center(U.S) at http://www.cais.net/naric They produce a thesaurus of rehabiliation terms and a description of the thesaurus can be found at http://www.cais.net/naric/rehabdata/rehthes.html The American Occupational Therapy Association produces a database OTBase that has its own thesauurs. If you go to the link below which allows you to search an index of the journal but from that screen you can also search by minor and major terms which might be of use. Occupational Therapy Journal http://www.aotf.org/database/otjr/otjr.htm The American Occupational Therapy Association is at http://www.aota.org You might also think of looking at other Allied Health Database such as Cinahl which indexes nursing and a variety of allied health areas and the thesaurus is geared to these areas. http://www.cinahl.com/ Another index is Physical Therapy Index A medical thesaurus might not be the best choice since there focus is going to be on the medical side of the disability and that may not be as useful for the public. My guess is the public will be looking for things like Assistive technology services, fitting of wheelchairs and other devices, adaptation of computer systems and these terms won't show up in Medical thesaurus such as Medline. Roberta Horowitz rhorowitz@acm.org Roberta Horowitz rhorowitz@acm.org At 04:55 PM 2/24/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hi everyone > >I'm cataloguing and indexing two special libraries and I'm looking for >thesauri. > >The first is the library of the Lesbian and Gay Organization in Iceland, >the main theme being (of course) homosexuality and bisexuality. Does anyone >know of a "gay" thesauri? If not, does anyone know of a special library in >the gay-subject area, on- or off-line? > >The second is the library of a public organization that organizes services >to people with disabilities. Would a medical thesaurus cover the field? > >English is the prefered language, but all the Scandinavian languages will >do fine (including Finnish). > >Thanks! > > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:37:09 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lenity Mauhar Subject: Re: drawing the line Caroline: Where to draw the line...hmmm...good question. Especially with names of people. Of course, all the usual items apply such as author's and editor's instructions and requests, and space limitations. Some editors will insist that all names from the text should be indexed. I detest doing this, and will only do it after I've tried reasoning with the editor several times. Conversely, you must consider that some users will ask, "Where was that section about Michael Jackson?" rather than "Where was that section about attendees at AOL events?" In your example about AOL event attendance, I think the names should be included in the index. You must decide what is relevant and be prepared to defend your inclusion/exclusion policy to the editor or author. If you can make a sensible argument for the entry's inclusion, it should probably go in the index. Keeping notes as you begin an index will help you establish and enforce your policy about inclusion. Sometimes it's hard to be consistent when you're working on a Java book, an economic policy book, and an American history book at the same time. Good luck! Lenity Mauhar Coronado, CA >I think I've always tended to be a bit of an over-indexer, and I've been >working hard at backing off in my last couple of projects -- trying to >paint with a broader brush, as it were. But in the index I'm working on >now, I'm having a hard time figuring out where to draw the line between >"marginally indexable" and "absolutely not indexable," and I'd love to hear > how some of you would approach this. > >The book is a guide to America Online, and it includes how-to information >as well as highlighted areas and sites available on AOL. It's actually >pretty well written, and has a nice light style, getting lots of >information across without being either techie or vapid. > >Where I'm running into trouble is with all the people who are mentioned in >the text. There are a couple of individuals whose association with AOL is >detailed; they're obviously indexable. Then there are, say, people who >write commentaries or columns or run forums that can be found on AOL; I >think they have a place in the index. > >Then there are people who have appeared in AOL's auditoriums in the past. >The discussion is mainly about the numbers of attendees at their "events" >(people like Michael Jackson, Bill Clinton, Sandra Bullock, Rosie O'Donnell >(I don't watch much TV; is that "Rosie"?), Anthony Edwards). I'm inclined >to include them, but this feels like a slightly gray area to me. > >And finally, there are a couple of fanciful mentions of Albert Einstein. >He appears in the example of how to add individuals to your AOL Address >Book, and the entry includes a quote (one that I'd never seen before, about >how Germany and France would view his citizenship based on whether he was >right or wrong about relativity). There are also quotes from online >luminaries like John Perry Barlow on change and confusion on the Internet. > >On the theory that this could end up being one of those books that actually >do get browsed via the index, my first inclination is to include *everyone* >who has been even alluded to in the book..."Really? There's something >about Albert Einstein in this book?". But as I'm moving into the editing >stage, I can't figure out if that's excessive or just a little silly. I >think silly is ok for this book, since it is successfully light. But I'd >rather not be excessive ;D ! > >Any thoughts? Thanks in advance... > >Caroline >____________________________ > >Caroline Parks -- Indexcellence >Indexing and Editorial Services > >Tijeras, NM >505-286-2738 >caroline@rt66.com > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:02:03 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Re: Data projector rental In a message dated 98-02-24 16:20:55 EST, you write: << want to rent a data projector, one of those gizmos that allow you to project a computer screen through an overhead projector, for the March meeting of the local ASI chapter. My local office equipment rental store just quoted me $300 (yes, three hundred!!!) dollars per day rental. Are they for real? Do these things really rent for that much? >> Yes, I would suspect that the $300/day is probably fairly standard, since an all-in-one projector costs <$6,000. But having used both the LCD panel/overhead and an all-in-one projector for teaching/presentations, I would STRONGLY recommend renting an all-in-one unit even if it costs a lot more. Following are the advantages: 1. Projection/resolution is INFINITELY better with the single unit. There are fewer components to mess up, cords to hook up wrong, and settings to deal with. 2. If the LCD panel is not compatible with your projector, it won't work. And the rental store may not give you instructions on how to set it up properly. (Voice of experience from our chapter meeting, where we paid almost that much for equipment rental, had to quickly return the original malfunctioning panel, and discovered that we couldn't figure out how to make the replacement work.) If you're using a Mac, they're even more touchy re panel type. 3. The arm on a standard overhead projector is always in the way of somebody in the audience; with an all-in-one unit, the whole thing is the height of the overhead projector sans arm. All this comes from a lot of experience doing online demos. Other opinions may vary. Carolyn Weaver Bellevue, WA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:31:48 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Australian Society of Indexers Webmaster Subject: AusSI Conf. papers: Glenda Browne, What's on indexer's minds?: Key issues on Index-L Hi I have just loaded Glenda's paper on INDEX-L on our Web site: www.zeta.org.au/~aussi/BrowneG2.html Enjoy. Dwight ------- Dwight Walker Webmaster Australian Society of Indexers, 30 Pennant Hills Rd, North Parramatta NSW 2151 Australia +61-2-98902691 (h) +61-(0)412-405727 (mobile), fax +61-2-97772058 ICQ chat id wwwalker, no. 4631678 (www.mirabilis.com) URL: http://www.zeta.org.au/~aussi ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:57:02 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Locatelli@AOL.COM Subject: Re: run-on index with subsubs under main char In a message dated 98-02-24 15:53:31 EST, brackney@nccn.net writes: > Right now I have a problem: how to create a run-on index for an > autobiography that has subsubs under the main character only. (I know I can > do an indented--run-on combo -- with only the subsubs run-on -- but I need > to save more space.) I think what I want is actually an indented section > under the main character only -- hmmm, so I could make two files: one run- on > and one combo and patch the main character block from the latter into the > former! How does this arrangement sound? > You might also try this, which is what I recently did for a short bio. Both the editor and the author liked the format. Smith, Sandy, activism sub-subheading, locator; sub-subheading, locator; sub-subheading, locator Smith, Sandy, political life sub-subheading, locator; sub-subheading, locator; sub-subheading, locator Smith, Sandy, relationships with family sub-subheading, locator; sub-subheading, locator; sub-subheading, locator Essentially, you are combining the heading with each subheading in turn and creating a qualified heading. This allows you to run the sub-subheads under each qualified heading. Obviously the qualifiers will be your choice and will reflect an appropriate break out of topics for the subject in your text. Fred Leise Between the Lines Indexing and Editorial Services ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:00:07 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nancy Noyes Subject: Re: Spam troubles Carolyn, Been there, tried that! What I ended up doing (as they just keep changing their sending addresses to bogus ones that filter through) was to block ALL mail except from distinct people, then I added a couple of screen names to my account. When I want to 'explore' sites anywhere based on searches (and I have a great story about what sites I pinged when looking for info on Victorian Gazing Balls for my garden...) I use one of these other names. That name is totally blocked from ALL mail. That way I am free to comment or explore anywhere without fear of attracting nuts and spammers to my mailbag. My business name and one other are for general mail purposes. By doing that I seem to have eliminated 99% of my junk mail. I have even re-opened my 'real' screen name and only get occasional junk now. Must have done something right...? Nancy Noyes All Write ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:04:06 +1300 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Simon Cauchi Subject: Re: run-on index with subsubs under main char Michael Brackney writes: >Right now I have a problem: how to create a run-on index for an >autobiography that has subsubs under the main character only. >I think what I want is actually an indented section >under the main character only -- hmmm, so I could make two files: one run-on >and one combo and patch the main character block from the latter into the >former! How does this arrangement sound? It should work perfectly well. I recently devised a similar arrangement for a literary history, with entries like this: Davin, Dan: novels, 153, 166, 167, 168-9, 169-70; short stories, DRAMA bibliography, 742, 760-1, 764, 767 introduction, 321-2 periods: drama of colonization (19th cent.), 322-31; types: critique of institutions, 374-7; Duggan, Maurice: short stories, 276-9, 281; writing for children, The main headings of those few entries with indented subheadings and run-on subsubs were set in small caps. The most complicated entry I have yet devised (for a book of art reproductions with accompanying text) was in this form: Hodgkins, Frances Mary EXHIBITIONS 1890s Auckland Society of Arts 12; 1907 Paterson's Gallery, London 17 1990 Minories Gallery, Colchester 2, 140 PICTURES : _Abandoned Cottage_ 78; _Adoration_ 42, 43; TRAVELS: Australia 25; Brittany 5, 21, 22 WRITINGS: _Letters_, ed. Linda Gill (1993) 1 (The subheadings were in small caps; the dates of the exhibitions and the locators for the reproductions were all in bold.) But Fred Leise's suggestion could also be applied here, thus: Hodgkins, Frances Mary: exhibitions Hodgkins, Frances Mary: pictures Hodgkins, Frances Mary: travels Hodgkins, Frances Mary: writings converting the subheadings to four repeated main headings, each with a different qualifier, and converting the subsubs into subheadings under each main heading. From Simon Cauchi, Freelance Editor and Indexer 13 Riverview Terrace, Hamilton, New Zealand Telephone and facsimile +64 7 854 9229, e-mail cauchi@wave.co.nz ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:16:56 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nancy Noyes Subject: Re: CHAT: Epson Printers Prolems Don't know about their color printers but their black and white are great work horses (Action Laser 1500). I will be anxious to hear how your HP works out. Nancy Noyes All Write ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:55:21 LCL Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Victoria Baker Subject: Re: run-on index with subsubs under main char In-Reply-To: <199802250524.VAA22207@pacific.net> Fred through Simon: >Hodgkins, Frances Mary: exhibitions >Hodgkins, Frances Mary: pictures >Hodgkins, Frances Mary: travels >Hodgkins, Frances Mary: writings > >converting the subheadings to four repeated main headings, each with a >different qualifier, and converting the subsubs into subheadings under each >main heading. This is my standard approach to this problem in run-on indexes. There may be peculiarities that would necessitate a different approach, but I've seen this one in many indexes. Best, Victoria ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:56:37 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Data projector rental At 10:02 PM 2/24/98 EST, you wrote: >Yes, I would suspect that the $300/day is probably fairly standard, since an >all-in-one projector costs <$6,000. But having used both the LCD >panel/overhead and an all-in-one projector for teaching/presentations, I would >STRONGLY recommend renting an all-in-one unit even if it costs a lot more. Since total revenue for this meeting is expected to be about $50, I'm afraid that's out of the question. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:45:26 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Slebodnik, Maribeth B" Subject: sexuality thesaurus The Kinsey Institute at Indiana University (www.indiana.edu/~kinsey/) has developed a thesaurus that deals with all aspects of sexuality, including gay, lesbian and bisexual issues. I looked at their Website and couldn't find a link to it, but the librarian may be able to help you. There are several suggestions on the Library's resources page for medical thesauri to use for this purpose. I worked there as a volunteer in library school - it's a pretty interesting place! I believe it has one of, if not the, largest collection of pornography and erotica in the world. For clarity's sake, I was just working on computer stuff, including generating a searchable database of information about support organizations. _^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_ Maribeth Slebodnik Mallinckrodt, Inc. mbslebo@mkg.com Phone 314-654-3315 Fax 314-654-7385 _^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:52:56 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Elaine R. Firestone" Subject: THANKS, re: Target audiences I wanted to thank everyone who responded to my question regarding indexes that only cater to the target audience vs. the _entire_ audience. I'm happy to say that everyone who responded agreed wit me that since there are no space contraints, there was no reason to limit it. (I have been vindicated!! Because the subject hasn't come up again and the index was mostly complete anyway, I went ahead and finished it _my_ way and just kept my mouth shut about it. FYI: there is no price charged for this index or its associated series because its a publication the federal government (NASA). The nice thing is that all of the indexes are my "babies" so I'm prime author on them. Thanks again y'all. Youse da' greatest! elaine Elaine R. Firestone, ELS elaine@calval.gsfc.nasa.gov elaine@seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:38:39 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Re: Spam troubles In a message dated 98-02-25 00:23:12 EST, you write: << Been there, tried that! What I ended up doing (as they just keep changing their sending addresses to bogus ones that filter through) was to block ALL mail except from distinct people, then I added a couple of screen names to my account. When I want to 'explore' sites anywhere based on searches (and I have a great story about what sites I pinged when looking for info on Victorian Gazing Balls for my garden...) I use one of these other names. That name is totally blocked from ALL mail. That way I am free to comment or explore anywhere without fear of attracting nuts and spammers to my mailbag. My business name and one other are for general mail purposes. By doing that I seem to have eliminated 99% of my junk mail. I have even re-opened my 'real' screen name and only get occasional junk now. Must have done something right...? >> Wonderful suggestions! I'll try them. Carolyn ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:02:09 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Wilson Award I want to remind everyone that the deadline for the Wilson Award is almost upon us. Please consider submitting a book index! I know there are a lot of really good indexers out there; if you're anything like me you may be underestimating your skill. There's really nothing to lose. The identities of people submitting are completely confidential. And the prize is $1000. The complete rules are in the January/February Keywords, or email asi@well.com. Submissions must be received by March 1. Here's to a celebration of the excellent indexes we create! Do Mi Stauber chair, Wilson Award judging committee ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:18:13 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cynthia Bertelsen Subject: Re: ASI Wilson Award rules in KEY WORDS ASI members: I just wanted to set something straight here about the Wilson Award rules: The complete rules for the Wilson Award are listed in the November/December 1997 issue of KEY WORDS (KW). The January/February 1998 KW was mailed out via bulk mail on February 20, 1998. While I am at it, I would like some feedback from all of you on how fast you get this issue of KW, now that you know the exact mailing date. We might have to consider alternatives for future mailings, and it would be helpful to learn just how quickly you get your issues. Thanks! At 01:02 PM 2/25/98 EST, DStaub11@AOL.COM wrote: >I want to remind everyone that the deadline for the Wilson Award is almost >upon us. Please consider submitting a book index! I know there are a lot of >really good indexers out there; if you're anything like me you may be >underestimating your skill. There's really nothing to lose. The identities of >people submitting are completely confidential. And the prize is $1000. > >The complete rules are in the January/February Keywords, or email >asi@well.com. Submissions must be received by March 1. > >Here's to a celebration of the excellent indexes we create! > >Do Mi Stauber >chair, Wilson Award judging committee > > ***************************************** Cynthia D. Bertelsen Freelance Indexer Bertelsen Indexing Services cbertel@usit.net Editor-in-Chief, KEY WORDS, American Society of Indexers Web page: http://www.vt.edu:10021/B/bertel/ndx.html ***************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:53:28 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Strategic Planning/Am Soc Indexers ============================================================ AMERICAN SOCIETY OF INDEXERS ============================================================ ATTENTION ASI MEMBERS: As part of the long-range planning process undertaken by the officers and directors of ASI, we're asking for your opinion about items relevant to the mission and services of ASI. The board and officers will be meeting in March; your responses are important! Please take a moment to fill out and return the Long-Range Planning Questionnaire. It is reproduced here for your convenience. If it does not come across well on Index-L or on your browser, please look for at on the ASI Website at http://www.well.com/user/asi/long.htm (accessible from the Announcements page) and print a good copy from there. All ASI members are urged to respond. Your input is important and valuable. Please print out this questionnaire, complete it, and return it in either of two ways: fax it by March 3, 1998, to 410-263-4905 or mail it no later than February 28, 1998, to: ASI Long-Range Planning c/o Maria Coughlin 619 Severn Avenue, Suite 201 Annapolis, MD 21403 QUESTIONNAIRE 1. Please rank the importance of the items listed below. Circle only one value per item. If you're not sure, just skip the item. Importance Least Most Central administrative office for ASI 1 2 3 4 5 ASI's annual national meeting 1 2 3 4 5 Key Words (ASI's national newsletter) 1 2 3 4 5 The Indexer (Society of Indexers' quarterly) 1 2 3 4 5 ASI Web site 1 2 3 4 5 ASI publications program 1 2 3 4 5 Membership directory-national 1 2 3 4 5 Publicity efforts 1 2 3 4 5 Indexer Services 1 2 3 4 5 Indexer credentialing/certification 1 2 3 4 5 Indexer training 1 2 3 4 5 Awards programs (Hines & Wilson awards, etc.) 1 2 3 4 5 Ethics policy 1 2 3 4 5 Professional development seminars 1 2 3 4 5 Local chapters 1 2 3 4 5 Chapter membership-selection* 1 2 3 4 5 Chapter membership-more than one** 1 2 3 4 5 SIGs (special interest groups)1 2 3 4 5 *Selection, as opposed to assignment by geographic area. **Affiliation with more than one chapter, for additional fee. 2. What services, programs, or publications would you like ASI to expand or add? 3. What issues or trends external to ASI do you see as affecting the future of ASI and indexers? 4. ASI membership dues will be reviewed. What are your thoughts about an increase? Please be specific. _____________________________ Signature (optional) Thanks! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:24:28 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lynn Moncrief Subject: Re: CHAT: Epson Printers Prolems In-Reply-To: <199802242058.MAA21241@mail-gw.pacbell.net> Hi Dave, I do appreciate hearing your cautionary tale about Epson color printers, especially being that I had been considering buying one until reading your saga. I'm hoping that your having returned *three* printers to the store will get Epson's attention. Way back in the early 80's, I had a similar problem with C-64 computers. My first one worked fine and I wrote a game that generated cryptograms on it. When I bought a second C-64 (to keep on the ship so I wouldn't be without a computer while deployed), I noticed that my game would generate a strange error causing a crash every time I ran it. I took the computer back to the store and exchanged it for another. This computer too would crash every time I ran the game. I returned this computer to the store as well and got another one. (I know it took a lot of chutzpah to be so certain that it wasn't my program but the computer that was the problem. ;-D) This one didn't crash when I ran the game. The store clerk, by now, was extremely curious and asked me to bring in a copy of my program. We ran it on the computer that they used as a demo and it ran fine. He kept a copy of it and ran it on all of the C-64s in stock. Every single one in a certain serial number series crashed. He called Commodore, the manufacturer, who was extremely interested and recalled the entire series with that serial number lot (or whatever). Apparently there was a bug in the ROM that only appeared under unusual circumstances (which my program happened to pose). So, the good news was that my persistence, like yours, caused the mfgr to sit up and take notice. The bad news, OTOH, was that the store clerk took my program without my permission to the local C-64 users group, which liked it, and it escaped into the public domain, dashing my hopes of creating my own software game company and maybe becoming as rich as Bill Gates. ;-D Three cheers to you, Dave!!! Lynn ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:29:00 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Cheryl D. McQueen" Subject: Re: Cindex for Windows upgrade? Thanks to all the people who responded to my question on and off the list. I think it's interesting that most people mentioned they try to be "mouse free" in Windows programs. I feel the same way. I hate Windows programs that don't allow you the option of using keyboard shortcuts. (I've yet to find a mouse or pointing device that doesn't make my arm ache.) Cheryl McQueen McIndexer@pwshift.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:51:49 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Data projector rental Looks like I'm up the creek on this. How do other people give software demos without one of these things? I really can't imagine 15 people huddling around my ThinkPad. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:49:52 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Gerri Gray Subject: Re: Data projector rental Dick: Maybe this is why some of these sessions cost more than we thought they should. I've done demos with a projector and it really is better than the overhead panels. Could you charge a little more and throw in a little song and dance? ;-) Gerri ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:15:35 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sarah H Lemaire Subject: Automated ToC in Word 97 (Help!) In-Reply-To: <199802261250.AA12895@world.std.com> This is not an indexing question but I'm desperate and I don't belong to copyediting-l. Any Word 97 experts out there??? I'm designing and editing a software pricing guide in Word 97. I thought it really needed a ToC so I marked all the Headings 1, 2, 3 and asked Word to generate a ToC. It's been working fine until last night when I went to proofread a hard copy and discovered the ToC page numbers were correct until page 6 - then all the subsequent page numbers were 6. This morning I opened the file and the ToC looked fine. So I went to print that page and ALL the ToC numbers all changed to 3, the page number of the first page. The printed page was the ToC with all 3s. I've had Word do weird stuff like this to me before but usually I could work around it. This I can't work around unless I type in the ToC manually which I could do but doesn't make the document easy to update. I need to deliver this document tomorrow (tonight really but I can drive it in if necessary). I apologize for posting to the list. Please reply privately. Sarah ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:23:12 +0000 Reply-To: connolly@neca.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dan Connolly Subject: MARKETING: Mailing to Publishers I was wondering if I could get some comments on my initial marketing startegy. I am currently half-done with the USDA course, half-done with developing my web page and ready to start marketing. I want to wait to do my marketing until the web page is done; I think it will make a good impression on prospective clients. I have obtained the 1998 Writer's Market and plan to send a mailing (letter and business card) to publishers in the subject areas that I am interested in. Unfortunately, the Writer's Market lists only Acquisiitions Editors and I believe that I should be mailing to Managing Editors (thanks to the discussion on the list a short while back). I was thinking that I would call these publishers to get names of Managing Editors (Chief Managing editor?), then do my mailing. When I was in business, I never liked to receive a mass mailing unless they at least had my name, not just position. Now this seems like a lot of work (and involves some expenses), so before I start calling, I was wondering what some of the veterans (and other newbies who have considered this approach) thought of it. Also, what do you think of posting rate information on web pages and introductory letters? IMHO, when that information is provided, it makes the person look honest and direct. Of course there are many circumstances that could alter rates and that would need to be reflected. Thanks for your time. Dan -- ///////////////////////////////////////////// Dan Connolly mailto:connolly@neca.com WORD FOR WORD Book Indexing You have my word. (Sounds corny, huh? I don't think I'll keep it.) ///////////////////////////////////////////// ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:30:22 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nancy Noyes Subject: Re: Automated ToC in Word 97 (Help!) Sarah, Is your Word 97 brand new? There was a patch released a while back to help correct a lot of 'glitches' like this. I got my Dell PC last July and had all sorts of formatting problems with it. I eventually went out to MSs website and discovered the patch release. I was able to download it and it cleared up virtually all of the problems I was having. I think it is called the SR version (service release for preloaded Office 97 as opposed to versions you purchase and load yourself). If you already have the patch corrections, email me back and I will see if I can help you through the formatting areas. Nancy Noyes All Write ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:39:24 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nancy Noyes Subject: Re: CHAT: Epson Printers Prolems Consumer Report just arrived at my house last week and it contained a review of PRINTERS! Anyone thinking of buying one should check this issue out ( apologize that I don't have the month, but it says it is dealing with printers on the cover). Also, check out the home page for Home Office Computing magazine -- they have an archive and you'll be able to see their article rating printers that appeared last year (around May-July, I think). That's what I used to rate and purchase an HP LaserJet 6L (B&W) for a client, and it has been great! Nancy Noyes All Write ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:48:23 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nancy Noyes Subject: Re: Cindex for Windows upgrade? Cheryl, Have you tried a track ball? I use a Logitech TrackMan Vista ($80) as I kept finding my mouse getting further and further away :( The TrackMan has 3 buttons allowing you to program them for things like click and drag, and the ball is operated by fingers as opposed to thumb (I had arthritis flare-ups when I used a thumb operated trackball). It is stationary, eliminating shoulder pain, and can be easily opened up to clean the innards with alcohol on a Q-tip to remove the build-up of black grime (looks like rubber that was supposed to be there) which is what makes the ball seem ineffective -- same as what makes people think their mouse has 'gone bad'. Hope this helps. Nancy Noyes All Write ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:09:09 U Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Martha Scott Subject: Re: Data projector rental Reply to: RE>>Data projector rental Here is another option to consider. Several of our faculty have used TV/Video adapters and have been pleased with the results. The unit connects the computer to a television, in effect making the television a monitor. It is great for traveling since conference locations usually have televisions readily available. Cheers Martha Scott marthas@ksu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:09:33 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: MARKETING: Mailing to Publishers At 08:23 AM 2/26/1998 +0000, Dan Connolly wrote: >I have obtained the 1998 Writer's Market and plan to send a mailing (letter >and business card) to publishers in the subject areas that I am interested in. >Unfortunately, the Writer's Market lists only Acquisiitions Editors and I >believe that I should be mailing to Managing Editors (thanks to the discussion >on the list a short while back). I was thinking that I would call these >publishers to get names of Managing Editors (Chief Managing editor?), then do >my mailing. When I was in business, I never liked to receive a mass mailing >unless they at least had my name, not just position. I think who you really want to contact--at least at larger publishers--is the production manager. The production end of the house is the place where editing, indexing, and so forth is carried out. In a few cases (smaller publishers), the managing editor might be "the" person, but it's not usually that way. Second-line approach is to get the names of one or two (or more) production editors. They are almost universally the people who directly hire and supervise indexers (and editors). To get these names, unfortunately, you'll probably have to make telephone calls...but as you point out, a real name beats a position name any day when trying to get attention. And finally, you're probably going to have to make follow-up calls to the people you sent marketing information to, to keep your name and persona fresh in their memories. Good luck! =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:32:54 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "S. Greenhouse" Subject: NAG: Long-range planning survey The chairwoman of the long-range planning committee has asked that a nag a day be posted to Index-L reminding everyone to complete and submit the long-range planning survey posted both on the ASI web site http://www.well.com/user/asi/long.htm and to Index-L yesterday. PLEASE, fill it out and get your fellow ASI members to complete theirs as well (the trickle-down theory of nagging). Consider yourselves nagged. Shelley Greenhouse greenhou@erols.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:46:00 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "John R. Sullivan" Subject: Re: chat:Epson Printer problems I'm a little concerned that folks on the list might now stay away from Epson printers in droves after hearing one person's bad experience with a particular model. Most of us have horror stories to tell about software and/or hardware; however, three bad printers from one store doesn't necessarily indicate to me that the Epson printer in question is an outright lemon. I would need more information -- is Epson aware of the problem? If it's widespread, perhaps they could be pressured into a recall. Is there any way to find out whether others have had similar problems? That's not to say I would just tolerate a defective printer -- it's just that we should probably reserve judgment until we can determine that the problem is widespread or that the model in question has a serious design flaw. I had an HP printer that was a dog and had to be returned; on the other hand, I've had an Epson Stylus color for years that has performed flawlessly. We certainly need to hear about such problems; I'd want more information, though, before making or altering a buying decision. YMMV. My opinion only, of course. John Sullivan ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:55:59 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sandra Merz Bott Subject: Re[2]: MARKETING: Mailing to Publishers In the publishing house I work at, the production manager is NOT involved at all in the Editorial aspects of a project. The PM schedules the graphic artist for a given project, contacts printers, and other scheduling matters in the production process. Editorial is responsible for the development of a project once it is passed from an acquisition editor to a developmental editor. The DE finishes with revising the manuscript (a lot goes on here, including author revisions and reordering of material, design development, art MS development). The assistant editor takes over and is responsible for the nitty-gritty details--grammar, style, artwork, etc., of the project. In Editorial, we are responsible for contracting freelance proofreaders, copyeditors, and indexers. The best approach would be to call each individual house and ask for the individual responsible for coordinating freelancers. In some houses you will find that this may be handled by one or two individuals, or more. In my company, two individuals are responsible for FLers: one oversees PRers and CEers, and a second (me) has FL indexers. Best regards, Sandra Merz Bott Human Kinetics ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: MARKETING: Mailing to Publishers Author: Indexer's Discussion Group Date: 2/26/98 7:09 AM At 08:23 AM 2/26/1998 +0000, Dan Connolly wrote: >I have obtained the 1998 Writer's Market and plan to send a mailing (letter >and business card) to publishers in the subject areas that I am interested in. >Unfortunately, the Writer's Market lists only Acquisiitions Editors and I >believe that I should be mailing to Managing Editors (thanks to the discussion >on the list a short while back). I was thinking that I would call these >publishers to get names of Managing Editors (Chief Managing editor?), then do >my mailing. When I was in business, I never liked to receive a mass mailing >unless they at least had my name, not just position. I think who you really want to contact--at least at larger publishers--is the production manager. The production end of the house is the place where editing, indexing, and so forth is carried out. In a few cases (smaller publishers), the managing editor might be "the" person, but it's not usually that way. Second-line approach is to get the names of one or two (or more) production editors. They are almost universally the people who directly hire and supervise indexers (and editors). To get these names, unfortunately, you'll probably have to make telephone calls...but as you point out, a real name beats a position name any day when trying to get attention. And finally, you're probably going to have to make follow-up calls to the people you sent marketing information to, to keep your name and persona fresh in their memories. Good luck! =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:55:38 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Norcross Subject: ASI Carolina Chapter - meeting announcement Announcing the next meeting of the Carolina Chapter of the American Society of Indexers ... Date: March 21st, 1998 Time: 11:00 am to 4:00 pm Place: Wren Memorial Library in Siler City, North Carolina. On the agenda: Schmoozing, lunch at a local restaurant, business meeting, Cindex demo, and the Indexer Scavenger Hunt! Ann Norcross Newsletter Chair, ASI Carolina Chapter ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:00:34 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Norcross Subject: Indexers' addresses needed I have the following four people on the mailing list for the Carolina Chapter newsletter, but I do not have mailing addresses for them. If your name is on this list, please send email to norcross@ix.netcom.com (or just click here: mailto:norcross@ix.netcom.com) with your correct address. Anyone else interested in receiving our newsletter should also send me an address. Thanks. Here are the names: Lori Lathrop (I lost your card!! How embarrassing)) Elizabeth Johnson Ellen Betts Price Charlene Puryear Ann Norcross Newsletter Chair, ASI Carolina Chapter ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:11:45 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Mary S Stephenson Subject: Re: Data projector rental In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980225225147.0073e19c@pop.mindspring.com> Richard, I teach a couple of computer-related courses in which I use a LCD projector almost every class -- plus I use it for powerpoint sessions in other courses. It isn't "sexy", but I always have overheads or slides ready "just in case". By using screen capture software and color overheads/slides, it really isn't that bad. I know it seems very "retro" to use overheads, but it is certainly better than a group clustered around a single screen -- which I remember doing back in the early 80's in some of my courses [and around an old tiny "portable Compaq screen at that!]. One point if you do wind up using a projector. Be sure it is compatible with the computer you plan on using. There are a number of different connector plugs. Also, be sure to find out what resolution your projector uses. We often have the case of visiting speakers coming with very high resolution software presentations [especially powerpoint] which don't work effectively with a lower resolution projector -- which might be the only one available for a given session. Susie Stephenson SLAIS/UBC Vancouver mss@unixg.ubc.ca On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Richard Evans wrote: > Looks like I'm up the creek on this. How do other people give software > demos without one of these things? I really can't imagine 15 people > huddling around my ThinkPad. > > Dick > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:11:06 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lynn Moncrief Subject: Re: Cindex for Windows upgrade? In-Reply-To: <199802261352.FAA10439@mail-gw3.pacbell.net> Cheryl, Along the lines of Nancy's excellent suggestion for using a Logitech Trackman, you may also want to consider Kensington's Expert Mouse. It's a large, stationary trackball (despite the name) with four large, ergonmically-placed programmable buttons and great software that also lets you do neat things to your cursor. (I have my cursor programmed to enlarge itself when I move it. Now I never "lose" the cursor. ;-D) I forget how much it cost, but I think it was less than $100. I have a permanently damaged shoulder joint and tendinitis from using the mouse (at a former employer who refused to buy us proper computer furniture but ended up paying a fortune in increased worker's comp premiums resulting from our injuries). As serious as my injury is, the Kensington Expert Mouse has never, ever caused it to flare up, no matter how much "mousing" I do. (Even drawing pictures in Fauve Matisse using the Kensington Mouse hasn't aggravated my injury and that's extremely mouse-intensive!!!) So, I have no financial interest in Kensington, but I'm an ecstatically satisfied customer. Good luck. Lynn *********************************** Lynn Moncrief (techndex@pacbell.net) TECHindex & Docs Technical and Scientific Indexing *********************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:25:00 +0000 Reply-To: hcalvert@macrex.cix.co.uk Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Drusilla Calvert Subject: Re: Data Projector rental We've hired LCD panels for years from the local university at a reasonable rate. But - a warning - they only really work well in a room with no external light source. If you're planning to use one in a windowed room you will need to go and set it up beforehand and experiment - it's a good idea to take lots of thick cloth and tape to stick the curtains together. A rooflight is death to these panels! We had to move a seminar from a really good room with a rooflight to a noisy underground pit-like room last year - not much fun for anyone! I believe the newer projectors are much better, but I would still take precautionary measures. Drusilla Drusilla Calvert MACREX Indexing Servicesea hcalvert@macrex.cix.co.uk http://www.macrex.cix.co.uk/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:22:25 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Robert Roseth Subject: Possible posting Dear Listserv: A professor in library and information sciences at the University of Washington suggested that this listserv might be a location to post information about a pilot study he and colleagues are doing on information-seeking behavior on the Web. Before doing so, being unfamiliar with this list, I thought I should ask about securing permission to do so. Please let me know if this seems appropriate for your group and, if it is, whether I should post the information myself or send to the listserv owner. ******************************************************* Bob Roseth Director, News and Information University of Washington Phone: (206) 543-2580, Fax: 685-0658 Email: roseth@u.washington.edu Box 351207 Gerberding Hall http://www.washington.edu/newsroom/ ******************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:40:25 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barry Koffler Subject: Re: MARKETING: Mailing to Publishers In-Reply-To: <199802261519.KAA03627@ulster.net> >Second-line approach is to get the names of one or two (or more) production >editors. They are almost universally the people who directly hire and >supervise indexers (and editors). > >To get these names, unfortunately, you'll probably have to make telephone >calls...but as you point out, a real name beats a position name any day when >trying to get attention. > Haven't checked lately, but you used to be able to get production editor names from most of the larger accounts in the LMP. -Barry oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo barkof@ulster.net Barry Koffler mid-Hudson Valley, NY the FeatherSite at http://www.feathersite.com/ lead me not into temptation . . . I can find it myself. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:39:09 +0000 Reply-To: connolly@neca.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dan Connolly Subject: Re: MARKETING: Mailing to Publishers Sandra Merz Bott wrote: > The best approach would be to call each individual house and ask for the > individual responsible for coordinating freelancers. In some houses you will > find that this may be handled by one or two individuals, or more. In my company, > two individuals are responsible for FLers: one oversees PRers and CEers, and a > second (me) has FL indexers. > Didn't someone say a week or so ago that this strategy landed them in Human Resources, who had no control over freelancers (only other "hires")? Dan -- ///////////////////////////////////////////// Dan Connolly mailto:connolly@neca.com WORD FOR WORD Book Indexing ///////////////////////////////////////////// ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 20:37:00 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: E: Mail origin cannot be determined. Comments: E: Original tag data was -> Charles Anderson Subject: Re: Cindex for Windows upgrade? Just to add a third alternative, Cirque's Glidepoint Touchpad is another way to go. I switch about with it and a mouse every couple of months. The advantage to a Touchpad over either a mouse or a trackball, is that you can use any finger to move the cursor plus simply tapping with your finger will serve as a click - so you can either use a thumb to click or tap-tap with any finger. Charles Anderson ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:10:12 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Skuster Subject: Pilot study explores how people seek information on the Web Pilot study explores how people seek information on the Web A pilot study to be conducted by University of Washington faculty could help them learn how individuals seek information on the World Wide Web. The research will be one of the first in-depth studies of how people use the Web. A grant from The Boeing Co. will enable a team from the UW Graduate School of Library and Information Science to gather detailed information, from interviews and observations, about the "information-seeking" behavior of a group of Boeing engineers, using Boeing's intranet, its own storehouse of information on its own segment of the Web. The researchers, three UW faculty and four graduate students, will be gathering information as a baseline for what they hope will be a larger scale study of how Boeing employees use the company's intranet. "Boeing has a great deal of information on its intranet," says Efthimis Efthimiadis, UW associate professor of library and information science. "And, to the company's credit, it has recognized that organizing complex information for diverse audiences can be a challenging problem. This study is a pioneering effort to improve the effectiveness of information retrieval, which can have important implications for worker productivity." The study will consist of first-hand observation and interviews with a group of Boeing engineers, to learn more about how they go about seeking information and using the company intranet to find answers to questions. The researchers hope that the conclusions from this pilot project can be used to frame questions for a future larger study of Boeing employees and their use of the intranet. Boeing solicited proposals from seven universities. The UW response was unusual, according to Efthimiadis, in suggesting a theoretical framework for analyzing Web use that was developed by Annelise Mark Pejtersen and colleagues at Risoe Labs Denmark, specifically for a work environment. The study is led by Associate Professor Raya Fidel and includes, in addition to Efthimiadis, Assistant Professor Sam Oh, and Risoe's Senior Scientist Annelise Mark Pejterson as a consultant. Results are expected later this spring. ### Note: Prof. Efthimiadis can be reached at 206-616-6077 or by email at efthimis@u.washington.edu. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:08:32 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: CHAT: Epson Printer Problems [Part 2] Thanks to everyone who has replied to me privately. Sympathy is always appreciated. The saga continues. Here are a couple of new developments that I would like to share with you. A new problem with the Epson 600 that I certainly found unexpected was "banding". After less than 100 pages the thing began excessive banding on the black printhead only; this was corrected by cleaning the heads under software control. Unfortunately, after only five or six more pages the printing is again deteriorating. Blast. The other item that I omitted from my previous note, because of space, was the bizarre and incomprehensible instructions for selecting the resident font. I only discovered this by accident, since choosing a resident font is NOT mentioned in the setup guide and only mentioned, and poorly indexed, in the User's Guide. One must first PRINT the first page of instructions; this page then instructs you how to print more instructions, which will then reveal how to select the font, using much arcane button pushing. Those of you who read _Dilbert_ will be overjoyed to know that these instructions were written by an "Induhvidual", probably a Manager. They are perhaps the most poorly presented technical information I have seen in 30 years, worse even than Japanese instructions from the '50s. Epson only vaguely mentions, elsewhere, that should the power fail or the printer be unplugged these settings will be lost. [Unlike computers, printers don't have a battery to maintain data stored in memory. Or at least this one doesn't.] I also tried an experiment which surprised even ME. The recent magazine review comparing the Epson 600 against the HP 722C mentioned that even though the HP's resolution was half that of the Epson, the printed results from the HP were to their eye better. Since I happened to have an HP 672C on my bench being repaired I thought that I would try a comparison, just out of curiosity. The 672C is only a 300 DPI machine but the reesults -- except for a small color shift -- I find preferable. Somehow the HP's dithering method to reduce pixillation effects produces a subjectively sharper image. This is sad, since I really LIKE the Epson'e feature of having three or four different dithering schemes from which to choose . I'll shut up for now. Criticisms or witticisms welcomed. Cheers, dllt ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:08:36 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: INFO: Hewlett-Packard Printers For those of you using HP printers or comtemplating a purchase, I highly recommend these two sites I just discovered: Electronic Support Center. Provides data on scanners, printers, plotters, et al. Includes unit specifications, drivers, FAQs, maintenance tips and other goodies. You can also download manual pages -- in PDF format -- for viewing or printing offline. http://hpcc923.external.hp.com/cposupport/cpoindex1.html Hewlett-Packard Telephone Numbers. The address below is for North America, but this page can be used as a launching point to go elsewhere. http://www.hp.com:80/cpso-support/guide/psd/cscus.html The search engine in the Support Center took me a while to master. While seeking an article on correcting printer color rendition through altering video drivers I attempted to find the "HP Best document 9423" or some such. Naturally I got many hits on everything starting with "HP". My second attempt, find "9423", was slightly better and found the original referring document! When I entered a text string, "Changing Video Drivers can Increase Printer Quality", BANG came the paper I was requesting. Cheers, dllt ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:08:40 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Re: Data Projector Rental Nothing is cheap. An alternative to renting an LCD overhead projector for a small group is to rent a big monitor. A friend of mine does occasional presentations and recently used a 32" monitor which plugged into the jack on his laptop; it worked perfectly and was adequate for an audience of about 35 persons. This will not work, of course, if the laptop has no provision for feeding another monitor. Cheers, dllt ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:23:11 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "S. Greenhouse" Subject: Re: Capital indexers Dear Helen Ochej: Thanks for reminding DC ASI members to send in their info for the Capital Indexers directory. The forthcoming issue of the chapter newsletter includes an application form and the address of the directory's producer, Carol Claudon. I am terribly dismayed, however, that you published a misconception: >I was surprised to see >that many DC/ASI members are not listed (including myself)! It turns out >that first of all you need to know the brochure exists (they were not mailed >to members) You need to request one or get a copy at a local meeting. In the >brochure is an application that you need to fill out if you want to be >included! Every current member (as of Spring 1997) was offered the opportunity to be listed in the directory. The mailing list used was obtained from the national ASI office, which sends us a list of all members in our chapter who are current on their dues. If you were not aware of the opportunity to be listed in the directory, or you were not listed in the directory, I suggest that: 1) your dues weren't paid up, so the national ASI computer dropped you from that mailing (Lesson #1: Pay your national dues promptly, because that's how the local chapter communicates with you -- through the lists furnished by national); 2) you received the mailing but either didn't read it carefully or discarded it without reading it (Lesson #2: Read all mail from ASI carefully); 3) you sent in your application late, and missed the deadline (Lesson 3#: Deadlines are important -- Good grief! Do I have to say that to indexers?). Last year I was the chair-elect of the DC ASI when the directory idea was formed and followed up, yet I had no inkling of it until I received my application! So, another lesson: Nobody was secretive or exclusive about this! It was simply a straightforward process, ably executed by VOLUNTEERS who gave everyone the chance to be included. If the chair-elect knew nothing about it until she received her application, that's evidence of the efficiency and energy of the volunteers who swiftly conceived of the idea and then did the work! And, Helen, I agree with your assessment: The directory is attractive and useful. Dozens have been sent out from my office to publishers and production houses. So, please, everybody: Send in your application before the deadline. If your copy of the newsletter doesn't arrive or arrives mangled by the postal service, you can get another copy of the application from Carol Claudon (Email Claudon@worldnet.att.net). Signed, Maria Coughlin DC ASI Chapter Chair ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:49:05 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Martha Wood Subject: ? about Usda course I just received my course materials from usda. I'm looking at the form where they ask you to indicate the dates you plan to complete each lesson. Now this may seem like a stupid ? (but since we all know there are no stupid questions ;-D) What good is my target date to complete a lesson if I don't know how long it will take to get each assignment back? Do I just try and keep to my schedule regardless? Martha ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 00:37:31 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LAmil86883 Subject: Remove Please Remove me from this list ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 00:38:47 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LAmil86883 Subject: Remove Please remove me from this list ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:28:37 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "McCullough, Elizabeth W" Subject: Re: ? about Usda course I couldn't agree with you more, Martha. I just realized the other day that if I wait to receive each lesson I've completed before I send in the next one, there is no way I can complete all the lessons within a year. And that's another $50 or so to Our Federal Gov't. Funny how that works out! Elizabeth ___________________________________________ > -----Original Message----- > From: Martha Wood [SMTP:martha@EN.COM] > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 1998 11:49 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: ? about Usda course > > What good is my target date to complete a lesson if I don't know how > long > it will take to get each assignment back? > Do I just try and keep to my schedule regardless? > > Martha ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 06:58:40 -0700 Reply-To: aelser@uswest.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Art Elser Organization: U S WEST Communications Subject: The index from hell? All, I sent this little story to Lori Lathrop, my mentor, and Karen Sherwood, another learner, and Lori suggested I share it with the list. art elser ========= Lori and Karen, You're going to love this. My boss here at U S WEST is working on a doctorate at DU in distance learning and bought a $50 book on a subject he's researching. He went to the index to find a term he needed to read about. Went to the page and didn't see anything there that even resembled what he was looking for. He rooted around and found what he needed. Then a bit later he was looking for another term and got the same result. Since the book is on web-based learning and had an associated web site, he jumped on the web. He noticed a link to "The missing index." He hyperjumped to the topic and found that books in an early production run were printed with the wrong index, the index to some other somewhat related book. Guess you can find appropriate terms, but not the locaters for that book. Wheew!! I guess you can get a new book from the publisher if you got one of the bad ones. Can't you just see somebody at the printing plant rolling the wrong cart across the floor and the wrong index getting sent to the bindry with a different book? Wonder if the early versions of the other book had wrong index too, the one for the book my boss got? :-) ================================================================== Art Elser (303) 965-4825 aelser@uswest.com Information Developer, U S WEST There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts. Illusions, Richard Bach =================================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:35:29 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: mice In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980226081106.00ddd66c@pacbell.net> Just want to plug my ALPS glide pad or whatever it's called. I adore it. Never have to clean it. Can put it anywhere (lap, left side, hold it in my hand, anywhere), any angle. Takes the lightest of touch. Never hurts me. I never have pain now until I go to work and have to use a mouse and then I hurt within seconds. Rachel Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:59:56 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Greystones Subject: Re: ? about Usda course I am just completing the course now. I set up my schedule that I would try to complete one lesson per month, but I have found that even with delays, I will be finishing ahead of schedule..in about 9 months. I usually sent in more than one lesson at a time(when I could). I also had lessons ready to go when I received the results from the prior lesson. My instructor was really quite good about the turn-around times for lessons. I had most lessons back within a couple of weeks. Overall, the course is worth the minor problems of wating for lessons to come back. Gaye ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:14:16 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: PilarW Subject: American Society of Indexers (ASI) long-range planning survey reminder Here's another nag on the long-range planning survey. Please fill it out and send it in promptly! If you don't still have it from INDEX-L 2/25/98, the quesionnaire is available at the ASI web site: http://www.well.com/user/asi/long.htm Please print it out, complete it, and return it in either of two ways: fax it by March 3, 1998, to 410-263-4905 or mail it no later than February 28, 1998, to: ASI Long-Range Planning c/o Maria Coughlin 619 Severn Avenue, Suite 201 Annapolis, MD 21403 ASI needs your feedback, so get it in! happy indexing, Pilar ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------ L. Pilar Wyman * Wyman Indexing * PilarW@aol.com * http://members.aol.com/pilarw/web Great Indexes for Great Books ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:19:48 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barry Koffler Subject: Re: The index from hell? In-Reply-To: <199802271359.IAA27635@ulster.net> >Can't you just see somebody at the printing plant rolling the wrong cart > >across the floor and the wrong index getting sent to the bindry with a >different book? Wonder if the early versions of the other book had wrong > >index too, the one for the book my boss got? :-) > Closer to home, I just got Cindex for Mac about a month ago. The manual was "recalled." They called to let me know that while the front half was Mac, the printer had managed to bind in Windows pages for the second half of the book! -Barry oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo barkof@ulster.net Barry Koffler mid-Hudson Valley, NY the FeatherSite at http://www.feathersite.com/ lead me not into temptation . . . I can find it myself. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:06:03 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marsha Lofthouse Subject: Re: ? about Usda course Martha, I think the target dates are more for your own benefit than anything else -- a tool to get you to do some planning and set some goals. (Instructors please correct me if I'm wrong!) Based upon that assumption, set your target dates to what you can reasonably expect of yourself. My experience is that it takes about a month (sometimes longer) to get lessons back from USDA even though my instructor sends them to the USDA just 2 or 3 days after she gets them from me. However, you don't have to wait until you receive a lesson back before you send the next one in. The feedback is good but if you are fairly confident about your work and want to keep the momentum going, go ahead and do the next lesson. Good luck and have fun! Marsha > -----Original Message----- > From: Martha Wood [SMTP:martha@EN.COM] > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 1998 9:49 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: ? about Usda course > > I just received my course materials from usda. I'm looking at the form > where they ask you to indicate the dates you plan to complete each > lesson. > Now this may seem like a stupid ? (but since we all know there are no > stupid questions ;-D) > What good is my target date to complete a lesson if I don't know how > long > it will take to get each assignment back? > Do I just try and keep to my schedule regardless? > > Martha ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:12:21 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: American Society of Indexers (ASI) long-range planning survey reminder At 09:14 AM 2/27/98 EST, you wrote: >Here's another nag on the long-range planning survey. Please fill it out and >send it in promptly! It wouldn't be necessary to nag so much if this thing had provisions for returning it electronically. Why no e-mail address? Dick ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:22:06 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Maxine M. Okazaki" Subject: Re: ? about Usda course When I took the USDA course, my lessons sat at the USDA office for up to two weeks while they "recorded" the grade that I received from the instructor. (I know this because I emailed my instructor to gently nudge her about whether my lessons had been marked only to be told that she had sent them to the USDA two weeks prior). Who knows how long my lessons sat in their offices when I was sending lessons to my instructor! Our solution was to bypass the USDA office. I sent lessons directly to the instructor and my instructor returned the lessons directly to me. This saved considerable time and money (calling and badgering the USDA to hurry up and send the lesson that the instructor sent to them two weeks earlier). Hope this helps. Maxine ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:28:59 +0000 Reply-To: connolly@neca.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dan Connolly Subject: ASI Publications Is anyone familiar with the ASI Publications listed on the web site? I was wondering specifically about the ones dealing with running and marketing a business. Starting an Indexing Business US$25 Running Your Indexing Business US$15 Marketing Your Indexing Services US$10 Also, is there value in obtaining past issues of Keywords? They are offered at US$15/yr, 2years for US$25 and 3 years for US$33. Feel free to respond off list regarding honest opinions of publications as the authors are probably INDEX-Lers. I will gladly share positive comments with the group. Thanks, Dan -- ///////////////////////////////////////////// Dan Connolly mailto:connolly@neca.com WORD FOR WORD Book Indexing ///////////////////////////////////////////// ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:37:49 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Healy Subject: Re: Mouse alternatives In-Reply-To: <199802261642.LAA18380@fn4.freenet.tlh.fl.us> Since last summer I have been using a Cirque Wave 2 keyboard with built in glidepointe pad. I love it! The glidepointe pad works best with the very lightest of touches and requires only minimal movement of the tip of a single finger. It is very easy to rest my right forearm on the arm of my chair and use very tiny movements to do everything I used to do with a mouse. Susan Healy ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:53:37 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Healy Subject: Re: legislative indexers In-Reply-To: <199802271529.KAA29293@fn4.freenet.tlh.fl.us> I'd like to address these questions to those of you who index legislative materials: codified statutes or laws, rules, bills, etc. 1. Does the organization you work for/contract with utilize multiple indexers working simultaneously on the same publication? If so, what type of subject authority or editorial guidelines are provided at the front end? 2. What levels of editorial review are indexes subjected to, by whom, and at what stages of production? 3. When indexing statutory or code material do you work from bills or enrolled acts, or do you work from the actual codified material itself? 4. What type of software do you use to prepare your indexes? Do you use different software for cumulative indexes and stand-alone indexes? Looking forward to hearing from you. Susan Healy Div. of Statutory Revision Fla. Legislature ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:50:22 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman Subject: Re: American Society of Indexers (ASI) long-range planning survey Dick ......... and others If electronic submission of the Long-Range Planning survey would be better, you can send your responses to me. No provision was made for electronic submission because the form would be difficult to mark for email return. If you can figure out a way to do that, go ahead and send it to me. Janet Perlman --------------------> jperlman@aol.com ASI Secretary ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:14:56 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was maryann@ITASCA.REVISOR.LEG.STATE.MN.US From: Maryann Corbett Organization: Revisor of Statutes Subject: Re: legislative indexers (long) Susan Healy wrote: > > I'd like to address these questions to those of you who index legislative > materials: codified statutes or laws, rules, bills, etc. > > 1. Does the organization you work for/contract with utilize multiple > indexers working simultaneously on the same publication? Yes, we have two in-house indexers and six contractors. One in-house indexer is an attorney, and one contractor is an attorney; the rest aren't, though some of us have long experience with the legislature. The contractors index the statutes, and we are just beginning to use them for administrative rules also. We also publish court rules, and we have a contractor working on that index. Session law indexing up to now has been done in-house. If so, what type > of subject authority or editorial guidelines are provided at the front > end? We have an indexing manual of 100+ pages, plus a separate software manual. We have an online thesaurus (which can also be printed in alphabetic and rotated form). Following the manuals is made a little easier by the fact that they were produced during the process of completely reindexing Minnesota Statutes. Vocabulary control is a continuing challenge because the legislature is always coming up with new stuff, and always deciding to call it by some name that doesn't exactly match the terminology being used nationwide. (But maybe I only think this is a problem because I have to do thesaurus upkeep.) > > 2. What levels of editorial review are indexes subjected to, by whom, and > at what stages of production? The processes we have used for years are in a state of flux because we are adopting a new indexing database with different capabilities. What we have done up until now is like this for statutes: an indexer indexes, and if the material is complex or if she feels review is needed, she sends the work for review by another indexer. The documents are combined and edited (usually by one in-house and one contract person), merged into the full index and edited again. > > 3. When indexing statutory or code material do you work from bills or > enrolled acts, or do you work from the actual codified material itself? We produce a document we call the "indexsort" which contains the struck-and-underscored text in statutory order, with all amendments shown. We try to be aware that material that passed all in one bill may end up scattered among several indexers because it falls all over the statutes, so we tell people to watch the history notes and stay in touch with each other. Our new system will make this easier because we'll be able to get a snapshot of what we're all doing at any time. > > 4. What type of software do you use to prepare your indexes? Do you use > different software for cumulative indexes and stand-alone indexes? Same software for both. We formerly used an in-house creation. Our new system is a customized version of Basis, produced by Information Dimensions. -- Maryann Corbett Language Specialist Office of the Revisor of Statutes Minnesota Legislature 612-297-2952 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:25:00 +0000 Reply-To: hcalvert@macrex.cix.co.uk Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Drusilla Calvert Subject: Re: Mice >Just want to plug my ALPS glide pad or whatever it's called. I adore it. Never have to clean it. Can put it anywhere (lap, left side, hold it in my hand, anywhere), any angle. Takes the lightest of touch. Never hurts me. I never have pain now until I go to work and have to use a mouse and then I hurt within seconds. I'd second that! I have three different kinds and they're all great! The only problem is trying to use it with wet hands - weird and wonderful things can happen then. Has anyone else tried the (fairly expensive) pen-type mouse. I quite like that too. I also like being able to swap around depending on my mood and aches and pains from touchpad to pen to ordinary mouse. Drusilla Calvert MACREX Indexing Services hcalvert@macrex.cix.co.uk http://www.macrex.cix.co.uk/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:14:15 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ilana Kingsley Subject: Re: Strategic Planning/Am Soc Indexers In-Reply-To: <199802252352.SAA00654@beryl.ils.unc.edu> > ============================================================ > AMERICAN SOCIETY OF INDEXERS > ============================================================ > > ATTENTION ASI MEMBERS: > > As part of the long-range planning process undertaken by the officers and > directors of ASI, we're asking for your opinion about items relevant to the > mission and services of ASI. The board and officers will be meeting in March; > your responses are important! > > Please take a moment to fill out and return the Long-Range Planning > Questionnaire. It is reproduced here for your convenience. If it does not > come across well on Index-L or on your browser, please look for at on the ASI > Website at http://www.well.com/user/asi/long.htm (accessible from the > Announcements page) and print a good copy from there. > > All ASI members are urged to respond. Your input is important and valuable. > Please print out this questionnaire, complete it, and return it in either of > two ways: > > fax it by March 3, 1998, to 410-263-4905 > or > mail it no later than February 28, 1998, to: > ASI Long-Range Planning > c/o Maria Coughlin > 619 Severn Avenue, Suite 201 > Annapolis, MD 21403 > > QUESTIONNAIRE > > 1. Please rank the importance of the items listed below. Circle only one > value per item. If you're not sure, just skip the item. > Importance > Least > Most > > Central administrative office for ASI 2 > ASI's annual national meeting 4 > Key Words (ASI's national newsletter) 5 > The Indexer (Society of Indexers' quarterly) never received this > ASI Web site 2 > ASI publications program what is this? > Membership directory-national 3 > Publicity efforts which are? > Indexer Services which are? > Indexer credentialing/certification 4 > Indexer training 3 > Awards programs (Hines & Wilson awards, etc.) 4 > Ethics policy which are? > Professional development seminars 1 > Local chapters 3 > Chapter membership-selection* n/a > Chapter membership-more than one** n/a > SIGs (special interest groups n/a > *Selection, as opposed to assignment by geographic area. > **Affiliation with more than one chapter, for additional fee. > > > 2. What services, programs, or publications would you like ASI to expand or > add? > > > > > > 3. What issues or trends external to ASI do you see as affecting the future > of ASI and indexers? > > > > > 4. ASI membership dues will be reviewed. What are your thoughts about an > increase? Please be specific. > I really don't think increasing dues are appropriate. I have not really benefited from ASI, but joined again this year as it is the only US professional indexing organization. I understand that ASI is a non-profit organization (?) and the office is not staffed with full time employees (?). This is part of my contention. I have tried contacting ASI by phone or by email and rarely get responses. I have emailed ASI my new mailing address, however, whenever Keywords is mailed it still goes to my old address. I believe I did not appear in the directory. I have yet to see how ASI can help me with my indexing business. I do not mean for this note to be harsh, but ASI just hasn't provided basic services. I am willing to help change this. I would be more than happy to work on the web site to get it functioning up-to-par. Sincerely, Ilana Kingsley inewby@beryl.ils.unc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:19:17 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: ALINDBLOM Subject: Questions re: USDA basic indexing course I am ready to mail my registration for the USDA basic indexing course. On the application they ask if I would prefer the course on a computer disk or on- line, if the course is available that way. Does anyone have experience with this? Do they offer the course on disk or on-line, and is it better than receiving written materials? Also, can someone tell me about how long it takes to receive the initial course materials? Thank you, Debbie Lindblom alindblom@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:24:48 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Skuster Subject: Re: Strategic Planning/Am Soc Indexers In-Reply-To: <199802271816.NAA11086@library.lib.binghamton.edu> Just a reminder: Please do not send the filled-out questionnaire to the listserv! I believe that Janet Perlman offered to receive e-mail forms. Her address is jperlman@aol.com. Charlotte Skuster index-l moderator ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:17:01 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: ? about Usda course In-Reply-To: <199802270500.XAA15253@mixcom.mixcom.com> >I just received my course materials from usda. I'm looking at the form >where they ask you to indicate the dates you plan to complete each lesson. >Now this may seem like a stupid ? (but since we all know there are no >stupid questions ;-D) >What good is my target date to complete a lesson if I don't know how long >it will take to get each assignment back? >Do I just try and keep to my schedule regardless? I had that same question when I took the course, about 5 years ago? And I mentioned that problem to the USDA. I see they haven't changed. The situation is stupid, but your question isn't. Since that schedule is really just for you, the USDA probably doesn't give a RA (can you figure that one out?) what you fill in. But you probably want to make it real generous (about a month for each assignment), so you won't feel like you're letting yourself down. Cheers, Carol ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:02:37 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nrslyn Subject: Re: Questions re: USDA basic indexing course I just received my Basic Indexing course. It only took about a week to receive it. I E-mailed the USDA grad school with the same question about disk or on-line options and I was told that they only offer this course through written materials. Lynne ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:39:31 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Helen W Ochej Subject: Re: Capital indexers Just wanted to add that I read my ASI literature cover to cover. I send in my dues in timely fashion and have no trouble getting into the national membership brochure. I may have gotten the impression that I didn't need to fill out this form because I had already filled one out for the national directory. As you pointed out, the local chapters get the information from the national group. I stimulated a discusssion about directories at work and most people seem to agree that usually everyone is included and the usual way is to ask people to fill out a form requesting to be excluded. Why does this remind me of my childhood at the pool when the lifeguard used to yell: all of you kids with sneakers on, out of the pool! At 05:23 PM 2/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Helen Ochej: >Thanks for reminding DC ASI members to send in their info >for the Capital >Indexers directory. The forthcoming issue of the chapter >newsletter >includes an application form and the address of the >directory's producer, >Carol Claudon. >I am terribly dismayed, however, that you published a >misconception: > >>I was surprised to see >>that many DC/ASI members are not listed (including myself)! >It turns out >>that first of all you need to know the brochure exists >(they were not mailed >>to members) You need to request one or get a copy at a >local meeting. In the >>brochure is an application that you need to fill out if you >want to be >>included! > >Every current member (as of Spring 1997) was offered the >opportunity to be >listed in the directory. The mailing list used was obtained >from the >national ASI office, which sends us a list of all members in >our chapter >who are current on their dues. If you were not aware of the >opportunity to >be listed in the directory, or you were not listed in the >directory, I >suggest that: 1) your dues weren't paid up, so the national >ASI computer >dropped you from that mailing (Lesson #1: Pay your national >dues promptly, >because that's how the local chapter communicates with you >-- through the >lists furnished by national); 2) you received the mailing >but either didn't >read it carefully or discarded it without reading it (Lesson >#2: Read all >mail from ASI carefully); 3) you sent in your application >late, and missed >the deadline (Lesson 3#: Deadlines are important -- Good >grief! Do I have >to say that to indexers?). Last year I was the chair-elect >of the DC ASI >when the directory idea was formed and followed up, yet I >had no inkling of >it until I received my application! So, another lesson: >Nobody was >secretive or exclusive about this! It was simply a >straightforward process, >ably executed by VOLUNTEERS who gave everyone the chance to >be included. If >the chair-elect knew nothing about it until she received her >application, >that's evidence of the efficiency and energy of the >volunteers who swiftly >conceived of the idea and then did the work! > >And, Helen, I agree with your assessment: The directory is >attractive and >useful. Dozens have been sent out from my office to >publishers and >production houses. So, please, everybody: Send in your >application before >the deadline. If your copy of the newsletter doesn't arrive >or arrives >mangled by the postal service, you can get another copy of >the application >from Carol Claudon (Email Claudon@worldnet.att.net). > >Signed, >Maria Coughlin >DC ASI Chapter Chair > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:30:18 LCL Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Monica Luce Subject: Re: Help for newbie, educating a client In-Reply-To: <199802231649.LAA25329@camel26.mindspring.com> Sorry for not replying sooner; my husband had his appendix out Wednesday night, it't been a little hectic around here since then. I did continue with the project, and it turned out fine. The client was aware of her inexperience, and welcomed my input, even asking advice about organizing the recipes. At first, she had them in alphabetical order within each chapter. In fact, just a few days ago I got a nice email from her confirming that she got the index, and was delighted with it, as was the director of the organization. I think it was quite different than what she expected; after seeing it, she admitted that it showed she knew nothing about indexes. So the experience was gratifying, because I know I improved the book, made it much more useful to the target audience, people with a particular chronic illness. Since my husband suffers from a similar illness, it was a satisfying project. It was also a relatively short book, only about 300 entries in the index, so it wasn't much of a drain on my time. But, I probably won't offer to do another project for them unless they can offer at least a token payment! Monica Luce mluce@mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 07:18:08 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DP1301 Subject: ASI Publications I've found every publication ever produced by ASI to be helpful. Three or four years ago, I bought the previous two years worth of Key Words issues. (Index-L didn't exist yet.) Reading them gave me additional scope to this profession that I wouldn't have gotten any other way. I could see what the concerns were (had been). I could see forward thinking. I could glean a sense of organizational structure. I think the chat room on AOL was just beginning. Do it. Buy those back issues. You won't be sorry. Deborah ==================== Deborah Patton, Indexer Baltimore, MD dp1301@aol.com 410/243-4688 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 13:34:47 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Susan D. Hernandez" Subject: Accessing Index-L Archives - help needed Hello, My ISP has been off-line for 11 days and I have signed on with Juno to try to catch up to missed Index-L postings. I have been trying to access the archives but the listserv isn't cooperating. I have the instructions and am sending a "GET INDEX-L LOG9802C" command. I receive confirmation, but no archive (no error message, either). Is there a trick I'm missing? Or does Juno have something to do with it? If anyone has a free moment on a weekend, I'd appreciate any advice. Thanks, Susan susanhernandez@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 12:43:28 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Brackney Subject: Re: run-on index with subsubs under main char At 09:57 PM 2/24/98 EST, Fred Leise wrote: >In a message dated 98-02-24 15:53:31 EST, brackney@nccn.net writes: > >> Right now I have a problem: how to create a run-on index for an >> autobiography that has subsubs under the main character only. (I know I >can >> do an indented--run-on combo -- with only the subsubs run-on -- but I need >> to save more space.) I think what I want is actually an indented section >> under the main character only -- hmmm, so I could make two files: one run- >on >> and one combo and patch the main character block from the latter into the >> former! How does this arrangement sound? >> > >You might also try this, which is what I recently did for a short bio. Both >the editor and the author liked the format. > >Smith, Sandy, activism > sub-subheading, locator; sub-subheading, locator; sub-subheading, locator >Smith, Sandy, political life > sub-subheading, locator; sub-subheading, locator; sub-subheading, locator >Smith, Sandy, relationships with family > sub-subheading, locator; sub-subheading, locator; sub-subheading, locator > >Essentially, you are combining the heading with each subheading in turn and >creating a qualified heading. This allows you to run the sub-subheads under >each qualified heading. Obviously the qualifiers will be your choice and will >reflect an appropriate break out of topics for the subject in your text. > Thanks for offering this suggestion, Fred. I've used this method too when the main heading has had only a few subheadings with subsubs, but this time my main character section was too big for it. The repetition of the main head would have taken too much premium space, and I think it would have destroyed the unity of the section, which spanned well over a page in eight point type. At 06:04 PM 2/25/98 +1300, Simon Cauchi wrote: >... I recently devised a(n) ... arrangement for >a literary history, with entries like this: > >Davin, Dan: novels, 153, 166, 167, 168-9, 169-70; short stories, > >DRAMA > bibliography, 742, 760-1, 764, 767 > introduction, 321-2 > periods: drama of colonization (19th cent.), 322-31; > types: critique of institutions, 374-7; > >Duggan, Maurice: short stories, 276-9, 281; writing for children, > >The main headings of those few entries with indented subheadings and run-on >subsubs were set in small caps. Simon, this is what I was imagining doing and what I actually did do, except that my index had only one block of entries with subsubs -- the one for the main character in the biography. Also, I did not use any special formatting like the small caps you used (which Hazel Bell, in _Indexing Biographies_ (p.33), recommends for the subheadings). The structure looked clear to me as it was, so small caps seemed unnecessary and perhaps even distracting. I appreciate your taking the trouble to lay out this idea for everyone. I was glad to hear you'd come up with it too, as a kind of backup for stepping out into unknown territory. It's probably an old idea, but I hadn't seen it anywhere -- not even in Hazel Bell's book, in which she shows no example of anything outside of the main character section. I like the way it turned out: the main character section stood out, but not too much, like a subindex within an index -- and so indeed it was. For the record, I created this structure in Macrex as I imagined doing in my query: making a run-on index and cutting out the main character section; then making an indented-style index with run-on subsubs, cutting out the main character section, and pasting it into the run-on index. Michael Brackney Indexing Service 134 Kathleen Way Grass Valley, CA 95945 530-272-7088 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 16:23:20 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kamm Y. Schreiner" Subject: Re: Accessing Index-L Archives - help needed Susan, Juno does not allow email larger than 64K in size if the archive is larger than 64K (likely I think) it will never get to you. Sincerely, Kamm Schreiner President SKY Software 4675 York Rd #1 Lineboro, MD 21102 email: kamm@sky-software.com phone: 800-776-0137 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 18:24:24 -0500 Reply-To: wolfgang@meganet.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Eric Smith Subject: Looking for a Mentor Is anyone interested in taking on an apprentice? If so, I would love to be that someone. I have taken college courses in English, Literature, Writing, and Public/Interpersonal communications. I strive to be very adaptable and easy to work with. If your work load is heavy, and would like some help, I will try to the best of my ability to make myself useful to you. All I will ask in return is plenty of guidance as I embark on this new and exciting field. I will leave the amount of payment to you, and would understand if it was very little because of my inexperience. Please feel free to call me if you would like to know more about myself or my qualifications. Any other inquiries can be sent to my e-mail address. Thank you for your time. Eric Smith (401)624-7566 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 19:58:50 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sindexer Subject: Re: photo section In two books that I have done like this, the color figures had their own special numbers, i.e. Color Plate I. I simply cited by that, with no page number. But, you really must get a copy of the figures, even if the pub. thinks you don't need one! Sally