From: SMTP%"LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu" 6-APR-1998 14:33:38.06 To: CIRJA02 CC: Subj: File: "INDEX-L LOG9803A" Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:35:05 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB (1.8a) Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9803A" To: CIRJA02@GSVMS1.CC.GASOU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:02:16 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nancy Zibman Subject: Re: ? about Usda course In-Reply-To: <01IU1YE4JEAAHVDWW3@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU> Hi there - I never filled out the form and no one ever asked about it. - nancy Zibman At 11:49 PM 2/26/98 -0500, you wrote: >I just received my course materials from usda. I'm looking at the form >where they ask you to indicate the dates you plan to complete each lesson. >Now this may seem like a stupid ? (but since we all know there are no >stupid questions ;-D) >What good is my target date to complete a lesson if I don't know how long >it will take to get each assignment back? >Do I just try and keep to my schedule regardless? > >Martha > Nancy Zibman Judaica/Special Collections Dept. Brandeis University Libraries - MS 045 PO Box 9110 Waltham, MA 02254-9110 (781) 736-4685 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:10:11 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LAmil86883 Subject: Remove Please remove me from this list. Thanks ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:15:31 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "S. Greenhouse" Subject: Forward:DC ASI Chapter Directory Maria Coughlin wrote: > Dear Helen Ochej: > > I guess I have to repeat myself. You're right: > > >I may have gotten the impression that I didn't need to > >fill out this form because I had already filled one out for the national > >directory. As you pointed out, the local chapters get the information >from > the national group. > That must be what happened. Although the application form makes it clear that > local chapter members must fill it out in order to be included! > > There are lots of behind-the-scenes considerations that go into making up a > directory: Some members don't want their home phone number listed; some > members have recently moved, and want their latest address confirmed and > listed; some members have recently joined, and thus "missed out" on the > national directory for that year, but want to be listed in the local > directory; and ALL members want the opportunity to be able to specify their > specialty areas and formats supplied. The volunteers who did the Capital > Indexers directory extended their deadline 6 weeks beyond national's > deadlines for the membership roster and the "Indexer Services," which > accepted only paid listings, anyway. The Capital Indexers directory was > designed to give the most up-to-date info on anyone who filled out an > application! I repeat, this was not a secretive process. I'm sorry if > somehow anyone who was not paying attention missed out on last year's > opportunity, but certainly this discussion makes it abundantly clear to this > year's membership that the opportunity is there. > > >most people seem to agree that usually everyone is included and the >usual > way is to ask people to fill out a form requesting to be excluded. > > If we can't get people to fill out a form to be included for free, how are > we going to get them to fill out a form to be excluded?? That is, frankly, > ridiculous. Even national ASI doesn't do that! > > I must defend, again, the volunteers who work so hard for our local > chapter! The people who conceived of the Capital Indexers directory, and all > who continue to work so hard for our local chapter, make me very proud. It > makes me sad to see them criticised publicly on an ill-founded basis. I must > ask anyone who is disgruntled about the Capital Indexers directory: When was > the last time you gave 40 to 100 hours of your personal time to help out the > members of your chapter? > The volunteers who did the Capital Indexers directory all are full-time > professional indexers (most are self-employed), and they gave unstintingly to > this effort. Many of our local chapter members' names also appear in lists of > volunteers who serve national ASI, too. In fact, our chapter is outstanding > among all chapters nationally for the highest percentage of members who are > serving on the national board, national committees, and the Key Words > editorial board. The numerous hours of hard work that they have contributed > are invaluable, and I hope none of them is discouraged by an occasional > misunderstanding of their efforts and motivations. > > Maria Coughlin > DC ASI Chair ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:04:55 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Bill Waymer Organization: South Carolina State University Subject: Assistance for New Indexer Brand new to the list am I and need all of the assistance that I can get. I really feel that I can be a freelance indexer but do not have the faintest idea how to do that as a business. I have been involved in not-for-profit work all of my life. Most of that has been in higher education. I feel the need to branch out and hang my own shingle. I have done indexing with Microsoft Word 97 and WordPerfect 8.0. Have used that software for indexing and tables of contents for reports, proposals, and alumni directory (that was fun). I have done some typesetting using the aforementioned software and saving the copy in a format required by the printer. I have done content-analysis, ethnographics, coding, and mark-ups. Have done some abstracting. I have not done the kind of work in which the members of the list are involved, though I live in South Carolina about 40 miles from Columbia; 75 miles from Charleston; 120 miles from Charlotte, NC; 70 miles from Augusta, GA; and 110 miles from Savannah, GA. I would appreciate any assistance that you can give a newcomer. -- __\/__ . / ^ _ \ . |\| (o)(o) |/| #--------.OOOo--oo--oOOO.-----------------# # Bill Waymer # # South Carolina State University # # bwaymer@royal.net # # http://www.bisnet.scsu.edu # # bwaymer@royal.net # #___________Oooo..oooO____________________# ( )( ) \ ( \ / \_)(_/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:29:01 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jan C. Wright" Subject: WinHelp Indexers I would like to create a list of people who do contract indexing for WinHelp and HTMLHelp systems, just so I can refer clients when I am booked. If you do this kind of work, could you please respond to me OFFLIST so I can compile a list of names, phone numbers, and email? Thanks! Jan +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Jan C. Wright Wright Information Indexing Services Jancw@mindspring.com www.mindspring. com/~jancw +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:31:39 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marie & Steve Rizzo Subject: Re: Assistance for New Indexer Bill, I suggest that you check out ASI (American Society of Indexers) web site at http://www.well.com/user/asi You will find a lot of useful information about courses, literature, and local chapters. Welcome to the list. Marie Rizzo Bill Waymer wrote: > Brand new to the list am I and need all of the assistance that I can > get. I really feel that I can be a freelance indexer but do not have > the faintest idea how to do that as a business. > > I have been involved in not-for-profit work all of my life. Most of > that has been in higher education. I feel the need to branch out and > hang my own shingle. > > I have done indexing with Microsoft Word 97 and WordPerfect 8.0. Have > used that software for indexing and tables of contents for reports, > proposals, and alumni directory (that was fun). I have done some > typesetting using the aforementioned software and saving the copy in a > format required by the printer. > > I have done content-analysis, ethnographics, coding, and mark-ups. Have > done some abstracting. I have not done the kind of work in which the > members of the list are involved, though > > I live in South Carolina about 40 miles from Columbia; 75 miles from > Charleston; 120 miles from Charlotte, NC; 70 miles from Augusta, GA; and > 110 miles from Savannah, GA. > > I would appreciate any assistance that you can give a newcomer. > > -- > > __\/__ > . / ^ _ \ . > |\| (o)(o) |/| > #--------.OOOo--oo--oOOO.-----------------# > # Bill Waymer # > # South Carolina State University # > # bwaymer@royal.net # > # http://www.bisnet.scsu.edu # > # bwaymer@royal.net > # > #___________Oooo..oooO____________________# > ( )( ) > \ ( \ / > \_)(_/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 22:35:55 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Helen W Ochej Subject: Re: Forward:DC ASI Chapter Directory As far as I know, the national chapter does have a form for people who want to be excluded from the directory. I'm all for volunteers and I volunteer and have volunteered myself many times for all kinds of things. I'm not criticizing the volunteers. I've approached PIlar about this personally and she gave me a very cold shoulder and made lots of excuses....it seemed kind of suspicious. The second time I brought it up she got mad at me. Of course then I really wondered what was going on! I asked another member about it and she didn't even know the directory existed and her name wasn't in it either (of course!). It seems like the only way to get any information about it was to complain. It was very unpleasant for me for everyone to get so defensive. Of course that made me think that something was really fishy. Like I told Pilar, maybe I'll wake up some morning and remember it as a bad dream. I always had a good opinion about our local chapter until now. I'm even losing my enthusiasm for ASI. Anyway, I'm finished with this issue; I don't get into harping about dead issues. Thanks for the information and I'm glad we at least got the issue aired. I was really hoping that the local chapter at least has a complete membership list somewhere. Even if the members want to call each other or carpool it would be nice to know who the members are. I really don't think it needs to be a commercial venture. The ambitious commercial enterpreneurs can make up their own fancy brochure! At 14:15 2-03-98 -0500, you wrote: >Maria Coughlin wrote: > >> Dear Helen Ochej: >> >> I guess I have to repeat myself. You're right: >> >> >I may have gotten the impression that I didn't need to >> >fill out this form because I had already filled one out for the national >> >directory. As you pointed out, the local chapters get the information >from >> the national group. > >> That must be what happened. Although the application form makes it clear that >> local chapter members must fill it out in order to be included! >> >> There are lots of behind-the-scenes considerations that go into making up a >> directory: Some members don't want their home phone number listed; some >> members have recently moved, and want their latest address confirmed and >> listed; some members have recently joined, and thus "missed out" on the >> national directory for that year, but want to be listed in the local >> directory; and ALL members want the opportunity to be able to specify their >> specialty areas and formats supplied. The volunteers who did the Capital >> Indexers directory extended their deadline 6 weeks beyond national's >> deadlines for the membership roster and the "Indexer Services," which >> accepted only paid listings, anyway. The Capital Indexers directory was >> designed to give the most up-to-date info on anyone who filled out an >> application! I repeat, this was not a secretive process. I'm sorry if >> somehow anyone who was not paying attention missed out on last year's >> opportunity, but certainly this discussion makes it abundantly clear to this >> year's membership that the opportunity is there. >> >> >most people seem to agree that usually everyone is included and the >usual >> way is to ask people to fill out a form requesting to be excluded. >> >> If we can't get people to fill out a form to be included for free, how are >> we going to get them to fill out a form to be excluded?? That is, frankly, >> ridiculous. Even national ASI doesn't do that! >> >> I must defend, again, the volunteers who work so hard for our local >> chapter! The people who conceived of the Capital Indexers directory, and all >> who continue to work so hard for our local chapter, make me very proud. It >> makes me sad to see them criticised publicly on an ill-founded basis. I must >> ask anyone who is disgruntled about the Capital Indexers directory: When was >> the last time you gave 40 to 100 hours of your personal time to help out the >> members of your chapter? >> The volunteers who did the Capital Indexers directory all are full-time >> professional indexers (most are self-employed), and they gave unstintingly to >> this effort. Many of our local chapter members' names also appear in lists of >> volunteers who serve national ASI, too. In fact, our chapter is outstanding >> among all chapters nationally for the highest percentage of members who are >> serving on the national board, national committees, and the Key Words >> editorial board. The numerous hours of hard work that they have contributed >> are invaluable, and I hope none of them is discouraged by an occasional >> misunderstanding of their efforts and motivations. >> >> Maria Coughlin >> DC ASI Chair > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:11:19 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: ASI pamphlets Does anyone know where I can get some ASI pamphlets to hand out at an upcoming career day at a local university? I sent a query to the publications people (custserv@infotoday.com) over a week ago and have had no reply. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 11:19:10 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Elaine R. Firestone" Subject: Another virus hoax is circulating Hi all. Another virus hoax is circulating on the Internet called "WIN A HOLIDAY". It is similar to the infamous "Good Times" virus hoax in that the so-called "warning" says that if you open it it'll erase your hard drive, or some such rubbish. Again, THIS IS A HOAX! I'll be happy to forward the original text from the NASA Security folks if anyone would like it. elaine Elaine R. Firestone, ELS elaine@calval.gsfc.nasa.gov elaine@seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:08:40 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: CccJlc Subject: Time Management Does anyone have a favorite book on the subject of time management? Or any general tips? Thanks, Chris cccjlc@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:31:32 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lindsay Gower Subject: Re: Time Management In-Reply-To: <199803031815.KAA03530@firewall.persistence.com> At 01:08 PM 3/3/98 EST, Christ wrote: >Does anyone have a favorite book on the subject of time management? Or any >general tips? I got a lot out of the "Idiots Guide to Time Management". I read it a few years ago but still remember (and even occasionally practice!) some of the tips and techniques. The main thrust of the book is: There are so many opportunities and options in today's world -- you cannot do them all -- decide what you will do and don't sweat the rest. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Lindsay Gower Technical Writer Persistence Software, Inc. lindsay@persistence.com 1720 So. Amphlett Blvd #300 San Mateo, CA (650) 372-3606 http://www.persistence.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:58:08 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Psvenndex Subject: Re: ASI pamphlets I wrote the office about a month ago for the same information and received no reply. Pamela Venneman Lighthouse Indexing Services ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:13:19 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Indexserv Subject: Re: Time Management <> "The 10 Natural Laws of Successful Time and Life Management", by Hyrum W. Smith (Warner Books, $21.95) is another good title. You can find it at Frankline Quest or anywhere they sell Franklin Day Planners and accessories. The text kind of trips off on this "spirituality through better planning" theme, but the advice it gives for time management is excellent. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:07:47 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Indexlady Subject: Re: Time Management Hi Chris! Anything from Franklin Covey (formerly Franklin Quest), speaking of which, I just received a new copy of their catalog today in the mail. I use some of their products. Hubby calls the day planner my "brain". The web site is: http://www.franklinquest.com/ Also, Crazy Lady has some interesting stuff at: http://www.qi3.com/crazylady/crzymain.htm And on a related topic, "Time Management for Writers", by Ted Schwarz is good. I found my copy at a used book store. It was put out by Writer's Digest Books. For effective use of a day planner, "The Advanced Day Planner User's Guide" by Hyrum W. Smith is top notch...filled with many usable ideas for converting a one-size-fits-nobody generalized day planner into an indispensable- personalized-brain. I also liked the "Time Management" chapter in "Project Management: A Systems Approach to Planning, Scheduling, and Controlling" by Harold Kerzner. This might be a specialized book. I had a copy checked out of the company library for 4 years, then was able to purchase my own at a used book store. Other project management books might have chapters on time management. Finally, if you're into audio-learning, Hyrum W. Smith has the most inspirational set of time management tapes I've ever heard. They should be available at Franklin Covey. I got mine when I ordered Ascend...the tapes were included in the package. Looking forward to seeing what others have found useful. Dawn indexlady@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:10:39 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Cats and computers I recently bought a new PC that has a Reset button on the tower case. Whenever my cat scrubs against the tower in the vicinity of the button, my PC reboots. The button is recessed, so I can't believe he is actually pressing it. Is it possible he's generating enough static to trigger the switch? Dick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:35:07 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: James W Jordan Subject: Re: Time Management Though more general in scope, I have found "Organizing for the Creative Person" by Dorothy Lehmkuhl & Dolores Cotter Lamping extremely helpful with time management issues. James Jordan jordex@juno.com ============================================ _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:49:39 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jan C. Wright" Subject: Re: Cats and computers In-Reply-To: <199803032011.PAA11894@camel26.mindspring.com> Re static cats....Probably not - I have seen a pc with a hair-trigger reset button before, and accidently pressed it when I shouldn't have. I couldn't believe at the time it was so easy to reset - I had just brushed it lightly. Duct tape? Perhaps duct tape covering one of those little plastic tables they put in delivered pizzas to keep the tops from sticking? At 03:10 PM 3/3/98 -0500, you wrote: >I recently bought a new PC that has a Reset button on the tower case. >Whenever my cat scrubs against the tower in the vicinity of the button, my >PC reboots. The button is recessed, so I can't believe he is actually >pressing it. Is it possible he's generating enough static to trigger the >switch? > >Dick > Jan +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Jan C. Wright Wright Information Indexing Services Jancw@mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~jancw +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:07:20 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Martha Osgood Subject: Re: Cats and computers In-Reply-To: <199803032059.MAA07706@darkwing.uoregon.edu> >Re static cats....Probably not - I have seen a pc with a hair-trigger reset >button before, and accidently pressed it when I shouldn't have. I couldn't >believe at the time it was so easy to reset - I had just brushed it lightly. > >Duct tape? Perhaps duct tape covering one of those little plastic tables >they put in delivered pizzas to keep the tops from sticking? I keep a lid from a spice jar over my reboot button for the same reason - my cat rolls on the button and reboots my Mac too. I set the lid on two/three little rolls of "poster putty" - the stuff used for haning posters etc on walls so nails are not needed - so it doesn't slide off. But I've been thinking more about cat stew lately... Martha Back Words Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 19:05:51 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: SHughes512 Subject: Re: Time Management Every time I feel like I'm loosing control of my time, I write down how I use it. Every hour or so I write down how I spent the last hour. Just keeping track seems to improve things - I get more focused.. It's an old idea but it still works. The DayTimer home page has some good ideas. The web address is http://204.71.178.121/index.html Heaven knows how they expect someone to guess that one. They even have exerpts from the book on Organizing for Creative People that was mentioned earlier - and lots more. Sharon ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 19:13:33 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: CccJlc Subject: Re: Time Management Thanks for all the response. I have about got the money management issues licked, so this is the next area to tackle (and a large project it will be for me!!!) Seems like I used to be better at it... Chris cccjlc@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:52:30 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Callum MacLeod Subject: Re: Cats and computers In-Reply-To: <888963041.1213346.0@listserv.cuny.edu> Just reboot the computer and boot the cat :-) In message <888963041.1213346.0@listserv.cuny.edu>, Martha Osgood writes >But I've been thinking more about cat stew lately... > >Martha >Back Words Indexing -- Callum MacLeod ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:07:51 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: AllWrite N Subject: Re: Cats and computers Dick, There may be a second, smaller reset button below the boot button, which is usually easier to press -- could kitty be rubbing on it? Otherwise, yes, it is possible that static can cause the system to reboot itself. This is definitely NOT a good thing to have happen, so you might want to place a barrier (static proof) in front of your tower, or move it to a place that doesn't have room for a catwalk [couldn't resist!] in front of it. Good luck! Nancy Noyes All Write ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:07:23 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Helen W Ochej Subject: Re: Forward:DC ASI Chapter Directory I read your reply the first time and did not need a repeat. It tell me a lot about you and I've had my last word on this. At 22:35 2-03-98 -0500, you wrote: >As far as I know, the national chapter does have a form for people who want >to be excluded from the directory. I'm all for volunteers and I volunteer >and have volunteered myself many times for all kinds of things. >I'm not criticizing the volunteers. I've approached PIlar about this >personally and she gave me a very cold shoulder and made lots of >excuses....it seemed kind of suspicious. The second time I brought it up >she got mad at me. Of course then I really wondered what was going on! I >asked another member about it and she didn't even know the directory existed >and her name wasn't in it either (of course!). It seems like the only way >to get any information about it was to complain. It was very unpleasant for >me for everyone to get so defensive. Of course that made me think that >something was really fishy. Like I told Pilar, maybe I'll wake up some >morning and remember it as a bad dream. I always had a good opinion about >our local chapter until now. I'm even losing my enthusiasm for ASI. >Anyway, I'm finished with this issue; I don't get into harping about dead >issues. Thanks for the information and I'm glad we at least got the issue >aired. I was really hoping that the local chapter at least has a complete >membership list somewhere. Even if the members want to call each other or >carpool it would be nice to know who the members are. I really don't think >it needs to be a commercial venture. The ambitious commercial enterpreneurs >can make up their own fancy brochure! > >At 14:15 2-03-98 -0500, you wrote: >>Maria Coughlin wrote: >> >>> Dear Helen Ochej: >>> >>> I guess I have to repeat myself. You're right: >>> >>> >I may have gotten the impression that I didn't need to >>> >fill out this form because I had already filled one out for the national >>> >directory. As you pointed out, the local chapters get the information >from >>> the national group. >> >>> That must be what happened. Although the application form makes it clear that >>> local chapter members must fill it out in order to be included! >>> >>> There are lots of behind-the-scenes considerations that go into making up a >>> directory: Some members don't want their home phone number listed; some >>> members have recently moved, and want their latest address confirmed and >>> listed; some members have recently joined, and thus "missed out" on the >>> national directory for that year, but want to be listed in the local >>> directory; and ALL members want the opportunity to be able to specify their >>> specialty areas and formats supplied. The volunteers who did the Capital >>> Indexers directory extended their deadline 6 weeks beyond national's >>> deadlines for the membership roster and the "Indexer Services," which >>> accepted only paid listings, anyway. The Capital Indexers directory was >>> designed to give the most up-to-date info on anyone who filled out an >>> application! I repeat, this was not a secretive process. I'm sorry if >>> somehow anyone who was not paying attention missed out on last year's >>> opportunity, but certainly this discussion makes it abundantly clear to this >>> year's membership that the opportunity is there. >>> >>> >most people seem to agree that usually everyone is included and the >usual >>> way is to ask people to fill out a form requesting to be excluded. >>> >>> If we can't get people to fill out a form to be included for free, how are >>> we going to get them to fill out a form to be excluded?? That is, frankly, >>> ridiculous. Even national ASI doesn't do that! >>> >>> I must defend, again, the volunteers who work so hard for our local >>> chapter! The people who conceived of the Capital Indexers directory, and all >>> who continue to work so hard for our local chapter, make me very proud. It >>> makes me sad to see them criticised publicly on an ill-founded basis. I must >>> ask anyone who is disgruntled about the Capital Indexers directory: When was >>> the last time you gave 40 to 100 hours of your personal time to help out the >>> members of your chapter? >>> The volunteers who did the Capital Indexers directory all are full-time >>> professional indexers (most are self-employed), and they gave unstintingly to >>> this effort. Many of our local chapter members' names also appear in lists of >>> volunteers who serve national ASI, too. In fact, our chapter is outstanding >>> among all chapters nationally for the highest percentage of members who are >>> serving on the national board, national committees, and the Key Words >>> editorial board. The numerous hours of hard work that they have contributed >>> are invaluable, and I hope none of them is discouraged by an occasional >>> misunderstanding of their efforts and motivations. >>> >>> Maria Coughlin >>> DC ASI Chair >> > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:09:11 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: BAwad49763 Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: Looks like a chain letter to me!] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_889031351_boundary Content-ID: <0_889031351@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_889031351_boundary Content-ID: <0_889031351@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from relay07.mail.aol.com (relay07.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.7]) by air12.mail.aol.com (v40.2) with SMTP; Mon, 02 Mar 1998 06:50:09 -0500 Received: from ultra.cyberia.net.lb (ultra.cyberia.net.lb [195.112.195.36]) by relay07.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id GAA03060; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 06:50:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from rania ([195.112.193.7]) by ultra.cyberia.net.lb (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id AAA19212; Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:50:54 +0200 Message-ID: <34FA8E29.600B@cyberia.net.lb> Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 12:47:05 +0200 From: "Rania Helou" Reply-To: rania_h@cyberia.net.lb Organization: Motorola X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; I) To: asayani@imd.cig.mot.com, BAwad49763@aol.com, qa6037@email.mot.com, davids@cyberia.net.lb, evlyn_b@hotmail.com, jeffmi@cc.comm.mot.com, jcygan@imd.cig.mot.com, tedd@cyberia.net.lb, MHelou6357@aol.com, stelb@unesco.org, williams6@hotmail.com Subject: [Fwd: Looks like a chain letter to me!] Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from motgate.mot.com ([129.188.136.100]) by ultra.cyberia.net.lb (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id AAA13018 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:05:26 +0200 Received: from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by motgate.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id KAA01962 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:03:29 -0600 (CST) Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client mothost.mot.com, sender jray@imd.cig.mot.com ) Received: from imd.cig.mot.com (monopoly.imd.cig.mot.com [160.6.1.20]) by mothost.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id KAA06934 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:03:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from connect4.imd.cig.mot.com (jray@connect4 [160.6.1.24]) by imd.cig.mot.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA03785; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:03:18 -0600 (CST) Received: (from jray@localhost) by connect4.imd.cig.mot.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA01602; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:03:17 -0600 (CST) Resent-From: "Joe D. Ray" Resent-Message-Id: <9802091003.ZM1600@connect4> Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:03:17 -0600 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) Resent-To: rania_h@cyberia.net.lb, qa6034@email.mot.com Received: from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by imd.cig.mot.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA12511 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:34:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by pobox.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id KAA12435 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:34:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from m27.boston.juno.com (m27.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.186]) by motgate.mot.com (8.8.5/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id KAA08046 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:34:20 -0600 (CST) Received: (from moore_family@juno.com) by m27.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id LtD08217; Sat, 07 Feb 1998 11:32:45 EST Comments: ( Received on motgate.mot.com from client m27.boston.juno.com, sender moore_family@juno.com ) To: CHIC422@aol.com, JOSEPH.GAUNDER@das.honeywell.com, CHAD@ACCN.ORG, BASSFISHI@aol.com, STRONGDJ@EXCELINC.COM, JRAY@imd.cig.mot.com, kroberts@remc12.k12.mi.us, clvrnsmart@aol.com, jan3065@aol.com, harrisj@hotmail.com Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:52:54 -0500 Subject: Looks like a chain letter to me! Message-ID: <19980207.113235.10598.0.MOORE_FAMILY@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-8,14-18,20-21,23,25-27,30-34,36-48,51-52, 66-68,70-81 From: moore_family@juno.com (ROBERT W MOORE) Content-Type: text --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- Looks like a chain letter to me, but I can use all of the luck I can get even if only for a day! It is a touching story, if you're a romantic at heart. Mari Long Story but very appropriate for Valentine's Day: John Blanchard stood up from the bench, straightened his army uniform, and studied the crowd of people making their way through Grand Central Station. He looked for the girl whose heart he knew, but whose face he didn't, the girl with the rose. His interest in her had begun thirteen months before in a Florida library. Taking a book off the shelf he found himself intrigued, not with the words of the book, but with the notes penciled in the margin. The soft handwriting reflected a thoughtful soul and insightful mind. In the front of the book, he discovered the previous owner's name, Miss Hollis Maynell. With time and effort he located her address. She lived in New York City. He wrote her a letter introducing himself and inviting her to correspond. The next day he was shipped overseas for service in World War II. During the next year and one month the two grew to know each other through the mail. Each letter was a seed falling on a fertile heart. A romance was budding. Blanchard requested a photograph, but she refused. She felt that if he really cared, it wouldn't matter what she looked like. When the day finally came for him to return from Europe, they scheduled their first meeting - 7:00 PM at the Grand Central Station in New York. "You'll recognize me," she wrote, "by the red rose I'll be wearing on my lapel." So at 7:00 he was in the station looking for a girl whose heart he loved, but whose face he'd never seen. I'll let Mr. Blanchard tell you what happened: A young woman was coming toward me, her figure long and slim. Her blonde hair lay back in curls from her delicate ears; her eyes were blue as flowers. Her lips and chin had a gentle firmness, and in her pale green suit she was like springtime come alive. I started toward her, entirely forgetting to notice that she was not wearing a rose. As I moved, a small, provocative smile curved her lips. "Going my way, sailor?" she murmured. Almost uncontrollably I made one step closer to her, and then I saw Hollis Maynell. She was standing almost directly behind the girl. A woman well past 40, she had graying hair tucked under a worn hat. She was more than plump, her thick-ankled feet thrust into low-heeled shoes. The girl in the green suit was walking quickly away. I felt as though I was split in two, so keen was my desire to follow her, and yet so deep was my longing for the woman whose spirit had truly companioned me and upheld my own. And there she stood. Her pale, plump face was gentle and sensible, her gray eyes had a warm and kindly twinkle. I did not hesitate. My fingers gripped the small worn blue leather copy of the book that was to identify me to her. This would not be love, but it would be something precious, something perhaps even better than love, a friendship for which I had been and must ever be grateful. I squared my shoulders and saluted and held out the book to the woman, even though while I spoke I felt choked by the bitterness of my disappointment. "I'm Lieutenant John Blanchard, and you must be Miss Maynell. I am so glad you could meet me; may I take you to dinner?" The woman's face broadened into a tolerant smile. "I don't know what this is about, son,"she answered, "but the young lady in the green suit who just went by, she begged me to wear this rose on my coat. And she said if you were to ask me out to dinner, I should go and tell you that she is waiting for you in the big restaurant across the street. She said it was some kind of test!" It's not difficult to understand and admire Miss Maynell's wisdom. The true nature of a heart is seen in its response to the unattractive. "Tell me whom you love," Houssaye wrote, "And I will tell you who you are." >Send this: to 3 people .... You will have good luck for an entire day. to 8 people .... You will have good luck for all of next week. to 11 or more people .... You will know your true love and be happy for a long, long time. to 20 or more people .... You and your true love are going to be happily married forever after. to nobody .... You will have bad luck for at least 5 years. --------- End forwarded message ---------- _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --part0_889031351_boundary-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:21:42 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kamm Y. Schreiner" Subject: Trouble reaching someone Hi, I received a request for some information from Cathy Goddard a few weeks ago. When I tried to reply, the message was returned as undeliverable. Does anyone know Cathy? If so, could you relay a message to her and ask her to send me her proper email address? Thanks, Kamm Schreiner President SKY Software 4675 York Rd #1 Lineboro, MD 21102 email: kamm@sky-software.com phone: 800-776-0137 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 23:03:57 +0000 Reply-To: connolly@neca.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dan Connolly Subject: Web Site Critiques Wanted Indexers, I am newbie looking for criticism. Please take a look at my new web site and criticize away. Thanks, Dan -- ///////////////////////////////////////////// Dan Connolly mailto:connolly@neca.com WORD FOR WORD Book Indexing and Editing Services http://WFWIndex.necaweb.com/ ////////////////////////////////////////////// ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:38:00 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Connect2-SMTP Gateway Organization: National Geographic Subject: Delivery Error A message To: index-l@bingvmb.cc.binghamton.edu (Indexer's Discussion Group) From: -maiser- @ ngs1 Subject: Web Site Critiques Wanted Was sent because of an MHS/SMF delivery notification: 140: Invalid format in Date field ----------------------------[ returned message ]---------------------------- A message was found with an invalid date specified in its "Date" field: "27-Aug-56 23:03:57 +0000" Please inform the developer of the application that sent the message that this condition was detected. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:02:31 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Deborah_Vanpetten I am preparing a Faculty Research grant proposal for an indexing project. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to justify an indexing project as "Library research"? Thanks. ********************************************************************** Deborah J. VanPetten Assistant Professor/Catalog Librarian Odum Library E-mail: dvanpett@valdosta.edu Valdosta State University Work: (912) 245-3743 Valdosta, Georgia 31698 Fax: (912) 333-5862 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:20:19 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sharon Wright Subject: Re: legislative indexers -Reply 1. Does the organization you work for/contract with utilize multiple indexers working simultaneously on the same publication? If so, what type of subject authority or editorial guidelines are provided at the front end? We are a legal publishing company and produce 35 state and federal codes, plus various legal resource material (law school textbooks, jurisprudences, etc.) and electronic products (Law on Disc and Lexis-Nexis files, among others). We have an indexing department consisting of 10 Legal Analysts and 14 Editors and are responsible for the indexing for all of the products. All of our Legal Analysts (myself included) are lawyers. The editors are not, but have degrees and/or training in writing/editing fields. The analysts do all of the "creating," while the editors do the technical data manipulation and some general review. Given the size of the codes (the code indexes average about 2,000 double column pages, although we do have them that go up to 4,000 triple column pages!), we invariably have a team working on them. (Most of the back-of-the-book indexes are done by one indexer-- whoever is available at the time). Depending on time and budget constraints, the analysts also try to do "enhancement" work whenever we can-- general improvements on the existing indexes-- usually in the off-season. Obviously, we don't create these indexes from scratch each year! We maintain them and try to improve them. When we do occasionally do new "from scratch" code indexes, it is DEFINITELY a big team production, and takes many months! Virtually all of our indexing is done in-house, and the products that are not done in-house do not come through the Indexing department at all-- the individual editor is in charge of handling it. On big products or rush products, we sometimes have all 24 of us working on the same thing! As for editorial guidelines, we have a set that we call our Rules of Indexing, but we allow a lot of leeway for style and quirks of the individual state or legislature. We also incorporate customer suggestions. Needless to say, one of the biggest challenges is consistency, but we've all gotten pretty good at looking for these things. 2. What levels of editorial review are indexes subjected to, by whom, and at what stages of production? We as a department review our own indexes. The state code analysts do not get involved unless they notice a particular problem. You understand that I am really glossing over a lot of our processes here, mostly for space, but also for company competitive reasons! However, after the creation phase each index is reviewed for fit and content by the analysts before being sent to Proof. The Editors then review the proof, primarily for technical errors (although they are at liberty to fix whatever they spot). 3. When indexing statutory or code material do you work from bills or enrolled acts, or do you work from the actual codified material itself? Both. Usually, for codes we receive the material in code number sequence, but we have and do index from acts, too. We also produce Advances, which are basically bound volumes of the legislative bills that come out monthly or periodically throughout the year. We index these very scantily! 4. What type of software do you use to prepare your indexes? Do you use different software for cumulative indexes and stand-alone indexes? We have an in-house software program that we use for all of our products. We have periodically tested some of the commercial products, but they have not worked out for one reason or another. Needless to say, the size of our files really tests the limits of these systems! :-) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 00:52:58 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LLF EdServ Subject: proofreading rates Hey all, I'm on my way back from my burn-out hiaitus and am digging up jobs again. Someone has offered me a proofreading job, and as much as I hate to proofread, this might lead to indexing jobs. The problem: it's been so long since I've proofread that I have no idea what the rates are. Does anyone proofread on this list? If you do, could you email me with an idea of what today's going rates are? Thanks a bunch, Leslie FrankWords Indexing and Editing ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:25:38 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "J.A Binns" Subject: business names Is there any form of copyright for the names that indexers call themselves? Having seen that a number of people on the list have given themselves names such as Word for Word, Back Words (which I especially like!) etc., I have been giving some thought to what I could call myself in order to appear more professional and attract more business. However, how can I be sure that the name I choose is not already in use by someone else? And having thought up a truly original and eye-catching name, how can I be sure that someone else will not pinch it? Margaret Binns (Business name pending) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 00:55:05 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Roberta Horowitz Subject: Re: business names Business names can be trademarked. There is a Trademark database and a library can probably run a search for you. Roberta Horowitz At 08:25 PM 3/4/98 +0000, you wrote: >Is there any form of copyright for the names that indexers call themselves? >Having seen that a number of people on the list have given themselves names >such as Word for Word, Back Words (which I especially like!) etc., I have >been giving some thought to what I could call myself in order to appear >more professional and attract more business. > >However, how can I be sure that the name I choose is not already in use by >someone else? And having thought up a truly original and eye-catching name, >how can I be sure that someone else will not pinch it? > >Margaret Binns >(Business name pending) > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 02:08:19 -0800 Reply-To: Elinor Lindheimer Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elinor Lindheimer Subject: Re: business names I wish to point out that a business name is not at all important in getting and keeping clients. What is important is the quality of your work, and how easy it is for the client to work with you. Indexers are referred to other jobs by name, not by business name. You are selling an individual skill--that is, unless you are a company with many indexers, which is another story entirely. This is 26 years experience speaking, with no business name and no printed letterhead. Elinor Lindheimer elinorl@mcn.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 06:17:42 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John Albee Subject: InfoFinder: Needle in a CyberStack, Thursday, March 5,1998 Hi INDEX-L Listmembers, Please let me know what you think of my info/tool pages: Needle in a CyberStack at http://home.revealed.net/albee/ There are currently 74 interlinked pages including 24 alphabetized Business and Career Tools Pages, the Best of Curriculum, 24 alphabetized Research Pages, Reference, Law & Justice, Cybrarians' Favorites, Intelligence & Security, Law Enforcement, Exploring, What's Cool, Fun, News Sources, etc. I've tried to keep it simple, powerful, quick-loading (Table Format), and useful - with links to all the best Search and Info Tools in the world. Comments and suggestions are much appreciated. If you know of a link that should be there please tell me!. My hope is that this will become a frequent and useful tool for your research, study and writing. I also participate in several webrings (at the bottom of my main page) which may be useful to you or your family members: The History Ring, The Research Webring, Homeschoolers and the Homework Ring. I have links under Very Best of the Web to the Medical Education Webring Sites and on Law & Justice to two of the Police Webring Indices. If you like it, please pass it on as you see fit. Thanks! John John Albee mailto:albee@revealed.net Teacher, Davenport Community Schools Website: Needle in a CyberStack - the InfoFinder http://home.revealed.net/albee/ address: 736 Westerfield Road Davenport, Iowa 52806 phone: 319-386-2171 We are all Works In Progress... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:01:12 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: Mac Owners: ASCII characters I found this Mac utility for keying in ASCII characters called Opt-Key-Down at http://search.shareware.com/code/engine/Find?archive=info-mac&cfrom=power&name=o pt-key-down-10.hqx&sort=by+date+-+new+files+first which is the direct download site. I doubt it's a wonderful as PopChar, but I've downloaded and will give it a try and report back what I think. Meanwhile, someone else might like to go give it a try. Rachel Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:43:20 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: SCTopping Subject: Re: business names I was advised by my mentor that using my own name on the business (Sandra Topping Indexing Service) served several purposes: 1) It clearly identified that it was a business on my checking account, credit card, etc., thus distinguishing it from personal accounts and cards. 2) It violated nobody's trademark -- unless there's someone out there pretending to be me. 3) In the client's mind, you are not only a person, but a Professional Person -- name and business are intertwined. So far, it's been working perfectly! Sandy ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:03:18 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Susan D. Hernandez" Subject: Re: business names >Business names can be trademarked. There is a Trademark database and >a >library can probably run a search for you. A trademark Web site is http://www.tmcenter.com I've never tried it, but it was mentioned in Home Office Computing. The article also suggested you register your company name with your state. Registration on a national level will require a lawyer and a fee for the search and paper work. I picked my business name because my full name is kinda long, and I like the way my logo looks on letterhead! But now there is another indexer with a very similar name. If our clients overlap and they get us confused, we have agreed to refer them to the other person. We both registered our names with our town or state (her town doesn't require it, my state doesn't). Susan Danzi Hernandez BookEnd Indexing _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:49:20 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: indexer@INETCOM.NET Subject: Re: business names Elinor wrote: >I wish to point out that a business name is not at all important in getting >and keeping clients. What is important is the quality of your work, and how >easy it is for the client to work with you. Indexers are referred to other >jobs by name, not by business name. You are selling an individual >skill--that is, unless you are a company with many indexers, which is >another story entirely. This is 26 years experience speaking, with no >business name and no printed letterhead. Beautifully put Elinor! Though I do have an official business name, I too have no letterhead and never use it in correspondence with clients. It's just kind of there. I couldn't agree more that most indexers are selling the skills of an individual, not a company. The state process some people referred to is very simple and you don't need any lawyer: you go to the prothonotary and scan the listings of business names to see if yours has already been picked. If not you register it with the same office for a minimal fee, and that's that. Kevin Mulrooney ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dyslexics of the world untie! Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty but only the pig enjoys it. First State Indexing (302) 738-2558 276 East Main Street Indexer@inetcom.net Newark, Delaware 19711 http://www2.inet.net/~indexer/kjm.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 07:45:57 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Martha Osgood Subject: Re: business names In-Reply-To: <199803050637.WAA09040@smtp5.teleport.com> You wrote >Is there any form of copyright for the names that indexers call themselves? >Having seen that a number of people on the list have given themselves names >such as Word for Word, Back Words (which I especially like!) Ah, Margaret, you are obviously a woman of exquisite refinement and discerning good taste! Martha Back Words Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:05:24 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pam Rider Subject: Re: business names In-Reply-To: <199803051553.HAA03450@powergrid.electriciti.com> More cheers for Elinor and Kevin. I find the quality of my work is what matters to customers. In my previous career as a publicist, I was an account executive with a small prestigeous local agency. Our clients ranged from the local engagement of Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey, Combined Shows, Inc. and several ice shows to the county medical society and most major institutions in San Diego's famed Balboa Park (not zoo, which is in-house). More than once editors and reporters noted that we stood out by sending releases on plain paper, with each release localized and actually typed by a human being who knew Associated Press news style and a publications varitions on that theme. One columnist even devoted an entire column to the three-person office submitting the best information on press releases. The writer wondered if a fancy letterhead was in lieu of good information. I know the latter is not necessarily the case, but affirm that no company name or letterhead can generate business. I've only done this for 15 years. Pam Rider Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth prider@electriciti.com prider@tsktsk.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:42:44 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: AllWrite N Subject: Re: business names The way I chose my name was by trying to sum up what I do -- or may do -- for a living. After I settled on a name I did a search of the name using a CD phone listing of businesses (there are 28 other businesses who use All Write as either all or part of their name -- only one of which is in MA, and is at the opposite end of the state). No one listed indexing (which is a future part of my business), and a few listed office services (which is part of my business). No one mentioned data management (my major business) or professional writing services. I feel it is unlikely that I will ever have a conflict with any of the other All Writes out there -- afterall, where we live there are umpteen companies who use things like Coastal, Merrimac, Seacoast, or North East in their names; sooner or later a name may repeat. A former employer did have the problem where their acronym was the same as another company's (names and type of business were entirely different) and the other company 'won' the right to use it as they had been using it for a day or so longer than we had -- or they were much larger with a national client base. That is how I find most of these things get resolved. Just use reasonable care and do diligent research as best you can. Nancy Noyes All Write ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:32:18 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Noeline Bridge Subject: Re: Business names I agree with Elinor, Pam, et al. who assert that it's your own name that counts, not your business name (if any). However, some clients--in my experience, a couple of government and university groups--have wanted my invoice on business letterhead. And an editor friend told me that she was asked to provide a copy of her letterhead and business card before being hired to work on a government contract. This is, apparently, to help prove to whomever that you are working in a consultative/contractual way and not as a part-time employee. Noeline Bridge BRIDGEWORK nbridge@planet.eon.net 10979 123 Street Edmonton, AB T5M 0E1 Canada phone 403-452-8325 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:06:26 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Jacobs Subject: Re: business names I agree that your own name is the part clients should remember. It can be helpful, however, to have an official name that you can use to help keep the business part of your life separate (eg: bank accounts, receipts, salaried vs non-salaried work, etc.). I have also been asked for letterhead occasionally for government requirements. In Quebec it was a simple matter of registering the company name at the Palais de Justice for a nominal fee. They do the search there to ensure there is no conflict (provincially, I guess). To be on the safe side, I started with a version of my own name and added a descriptive qualifier that was broad enough to take in most of the types of things I was prepared to do (editing, indexing, training, cataloguing...). I don't think it is particularly catchy, but it serves fine for the purposes above and cost me at the time about $20 cdn. Christine C.M. Jacobs, Information Management Services ************************************************************************* Christine Jacobs cmjacobs@johnabbott.qc.ca Co-Chair Documentation and Library Systems Dept. John Abbott College P.O. Box 2000 Ste-Anne-de-Bellevue, QC H9X 3L9 of:(514) 457-6610, loc.470; fax: (514) 457-4730 ************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:45:53 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pam Rider Subject: Re: business names In-Reply-To: <199803052010.MAA19198@powergrid.electriciti.com> And I must say, I find my indexing colleagues' business names to be especially intelligent and clever. Pam Rider Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth prider@electriciti.com prider@tsktsk.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:27:58 +1300 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marite Tweeddale Subject: Re: Data Projector Rental -Reply I'm on annual leave this week (2-6 March) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:58:31 +1300 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marite Tweeddale Subject: Re: American Society of Indexers (ASI) long-range planning survey -Reply I'm on annual leave this week (2-6 March) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 18:19:27 +1300 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marite Tweeddale Subject: InfoFinder: Needle in a CyberStack, Thursday, March 5,1998 -Reply I'm on annual leave this week (2-6 March) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:00:04 +1300 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marite Tweeddale Subject: Pilot study explores how people seek information on the Web -Reply I'm on annual leave this week (2-6 March) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:00:45 +1300 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marite Tweeddale Subject: Re: American Society of Indexers (ASI) long-range planning survey reminder -Reply I'm on annual leave this week (2-6 March) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:18:03 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Termurray Subject: Re: InfoFinder: Needle in a CyberStack, Thursday, March 5,1998 Dear Larry, Did you read this message from John Albee to INDEX-L? I don't have time to investigate his site this week, but my cybersense twitched in your behalf at the mention of a history webring. Have you experienced one of these whirlpools of information yet? Waiting for the bockbier, ter << Hi INDEX-L Listmembers, Please let me know what you think of my info/tool pages: Needle in a CyberStack at http://home.revealed.net/albee/ There are currently 74 interlinked pages including 24 alphabetized Business and Career Tools Pages, the Best of Curriculum, 24 alphabetized Research Pages, Reference, Law & Justice, Cybrarians' Favorites, Intelligence & Security, Law Enforcement, Exploring, What's Cool, Fun, News Sources, etc. . . . My hope is that this will become a frequent and useful tool for your research, study and writing. I also participate in several webrings (at the bottom of my main page) which may be useful to you or your family members: The History Ring, The Research Webring, Homeschoolers and the Homework Ring. I have links under Very Best of the Web to the Medical Education Webring Sites and on Law & Justice to two of the Police Webring Indices. . . . John John Albee mailto:albee@revealed.net Teacher, Davenport Community Schools Website: Needle in a CyberStack - the InfoFinder http://home.revealed.net/albee/ address: 736 Westerfield Road Davenport, Iowa 52806 phone: 319-386-2171 We are all Works In Progress... >> ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:39:20 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Termurray Subject: Standard apology for sending personal mail to the list AAAARRRRGGGGGG! Sorry, indexers. Sorry, Larry. Why can't AOL put my mail in a buffer for five minutes so I can retrieve it, because I always realize I forgot to address the reply IMMEDIATELY!!!! Why do they even bother with an unsend button in Check Mail You've Sent? Why are my cheeks burning? Terry Murray ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:58:16 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: indexer@INETCOM.NET Subject: Chat: Great book find! I found the most enchanting book yesterday. I was cranking along at full speed trying to get a project done for today when my client called, asked how things were going, then told me they wouldn't even be looking at it until early next week so they offered me several more days. So just about that time a friend called and wanted me to go to the American Association of University Women book sale. What a great time I had! I found a book called "My Garden of Dreams" by Abram Linwood Urban. It was a signed (#26 of 10,000) first edition for $10. I started picking spots at random and I was completely spellbound. Listen to this social commentary: "But Man has not been wholly faithful to his alliance with nature. In the progress of what we call civilization there has come to be, more or less, a divorce of man from nature. Some one has said "progress is a disease, and eventually society will die of civilization". What truth is there in that statement? This much certainly. We are living an artificially heated life. The modern man is highly specialized, both mentally and physically, and has developed and exists at the expense of a first essential and necessity. His life is unnatural and out of sequence. .... Does health of body and mind lie in the direction of nature? There is a feeling that there is a secret which we have lost, and that it is to be refound in nature.....We need to find again the lost secret." Amazing how certain ideas are timeless. These words were written in 1913. If anything the truth of his statements are even more observable today. Modern man has constructed his own Tower of Babble of technology. Yet the time is coming, sooner rather than later, that we shall be smote down from that Tower as surely as the folks of old. Then perhaps God will see fit to illuminate us with those long-lost secrets of the past that so few now remember... Anyway... Anyone ever hear of this writer? I'm thoroughly enchanted! Kevin Mulrooney ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dyslexics of the world untie! Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty but only the pig enjoys it. First State Indexing (302) 738-2558 276 East Main Street Indexer@inetcom.net Newark, Delaware 19711 http://www2.inet.net/~indexer/kjm.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:27:53 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Robert A. Saigh" Subject: Re: Chat: Great book find! Kevin: No, I have not heard of the writer A.L. Urban. If any secrets of man's connection to nature exist, then they are lost as we become adults and lose our childlike nature. As children, we have dreams and imagination. The adult "mature" world beats that out of us whether it wants to or not. A pessimistic view perhaps. This childlike, yet not childish, outlook on life can be regained, but this takes work and well worth the effort. Some people gain this sideways view by having children of their own. Others turn to Buddhism and what have you. The truly organized religions are not as connected to nature as are the Eastern religions which is not to say that one is better than another. Simply, the Eastern religions or approaches (e.g., Daoism) have a different emphasis. The Urban book sounds intriguing. I will have to check it out after I dig out from under my indexing projects and other readings. Thanks Rob fugleman@mindspring.com indexer@INETCOM.NET wrote: > I found the most enchanting book yesterday. I was cranking along at full > speed trying to get a project done for today when my client called, asked > how things were going, then told me they wouldn't even be looking at it > until early next week so they offered me several more days. > > So just about that time a friend called and wanted me to go to the American > Association of University Women book sale. What a great time I had! > > I found a book called "My Garden of Dreams" by Abram Linwood Urban. It was > a signed (#26 of 10,000) first edition for $10. I started picking spots at > random and I was completely spellbound. Listen to this social commentary: > > "But Man has not been wholly faithful to his alliance with nature. In the > progress of what we call civilization there has come to be, more or less, a > divorce of man from nature. Some one has said "progress is a disease, and > eventually society will die of civilization". > > What truth is there in that statement? This much certainly. We are living > an artificially heated life. The modern man is highly specialized, both > mentally and physically, and has developed and exists at the expense of a > first essential and necessity. His life is unnatural and out of sequence. > > .... > Does health of body and mind lie in the direction of nature? There is a > feeling that there is a secret which we have lost, and that it is to be > refound in nature.....We need to find again the lost secret." > > Amazing how certain ideas are timeless. These words were written in 1913. > If anything the truth of his statements are even more observable today. > Modern man has constructed his own Tower of Babble of technology. Yet the > time is coming, sooner rather than later, that we shall be smote down from > that Tower as surely as the folks of old. Then perhaps God will see fit to > illuminate us with those long-lost secrets of the past that so few now > remember... > > Anyway... Anyone ever hear of this writer? I'm thoroughly enchanted! > > Kevin Mulrooney > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dyslexics of the world untie! > > Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty but only the pig enjoys it. > > First State Indexing (302) 738-2558 > 276 East Main Street Indexer@inetcom.net > Newark, Delaware 19711 http://www2.inet.net/~indexer/kjm.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:19:38 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sharon Wright Subject: Re: Chat: Great book find! -Reply Interesting point, Bob, but there is nothing intrinsically contradictory between Christianity and nature. The distinction has come from some of the worse aspects of the church, but not the teachings upon which it was founded. Jesus, after all, was an itenerant preacher with virtually no worldly possessions who lived and encouraged a simplified life! Perhaps in the most organized of the organized religions, the Catholic church, we have more to learn from the monks and nuns than from the heirarchy! :-) I've never heard of this author, either, but there has always been a thread of the "back-to-nature" element in American literary life. I agree that the prose is enchanting. In a similar vein, I spent last summer at the beach reading Rachel Carson's The Edge of the Sea, which has a similar poetic quality. I highly recommend it for anyone who hasn't had the pleasure! --Sharon W. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:30:16 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Julie Shawvan Subject: REMINDER: Golden Gate ASI Conference The deadline is approaching to register for the Golden Gate Chapter's 15th Annual Conference, to be held March 21 from 9:00 to 4:30 in Berkeley. We will explore the connections between familiar issues of subject analysis and the demands of today's information systems: KEYNOTE SPEAKER: Yahoo! Indexing Specialist WORKSHOP: A rare West Coast appearance by Jessica Milstead, consultant on thesaurus and index design, and author of the book Subject Access Systems, presenting: "THESAURUS DEVELOPMENT AND VOCABULARY MANAGEMENT" This workshop will appeal to back-of-the-book indexers interested in a different perspective on conceptual analysis, to database indexers who work with controlled vocabularies, to librarians and others who do online searching, and to all professionals involved with access to information. PANEL DISCUSSION: "Information Science, Databases, and Internet/Intranets" DATE: Saturday, March 21 8:30-9:00 check-in, coffee & pastries 9:00-4:30 program coffee breaks lunch of salmon filet access to vendor exhibits & information tables LOCATION: Berkeley City Club 2315 Durant Avenue Berkeley (between Dana and Elsworth, adjacent to public parking) REGISTRATION: $75 ASI members $85 non-members To register, please complete the registration form below. For further information (or for vendors wishing to exhibit), please contact Robyn Brode, Conference Chair: rbrode@earthlink.net, or (510)704-8584. -------------------------------------------------------------------- REGISTRATION - ASI GOLDEN GATE CHAPTER CONFERENCE March 21, 1998 Name_________________________________________________________ Address______________________________________________________ Phone__________________________Email_________________________ ASI member($75)______Non-member($85)______ Please make check payable to "ASI Golden Gate Chapter" and send with registration form by March 14 to: Therese Shere GG-ASI Conference Registrar 7566 Eastside Road Healdsburg, CA 95448-9301 Registrations after March 14 will be taken on a space-available basis, with an additional $10 fee. For registration information or to place a commitment, email tshere7566@aol.com or call (707)838-7823. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 17:01:08 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Robert A. Saigh" Subject: Re: Chat: Great book find! -Reply Sharon: Thank you for your reply. By the way, how long have you been an indexer? I have been an indexer about eight years and have indexed countless books. In fact, I may move (geographically) and hope my clients will move with me -- especially since they have never met me as I am only an electronic address and a FedEx/UPS address to them. I have read Rachel Carson's book. One book I read recently was Charms for the Easy Life by Kaye Gibbons. A well-written book with insight and chuckles. Like the movie I just came back from seeing: Twilight. A small yet solid movie that everyone will unfortunately forget in this age of blockbuster insanity. After all, Titanic was a well-made TV movie. Sorry if I offend anyone, but the dialogue was underwhelming and bland even as the images were amazing and breathtaking. Till later Rob fugleman@mindspring.com Sharon Wright wrote: > Interesting point, Bob, but there is nothing intrinsically > contradictory between Christianity and nature. The > distinction has come from some of the worse aspects > of the church, but not the teachings upon which it was > founded. Jesus, after all, was an itenerant preacher > with virtually no worldly possessions who lived and > encouraged a simplified life! Perhaps in the most > organized of the organized religions, the Catholic > church, we have more to learn from the monks and > nuns than from the heirarchy! :-) > > I've never heard of this author, either, but there has > always been a thread of the "back-to-nature" element > in American literary life. I agree that the prose is > enchanting. In a similar vein, I spent last summer at > the beach reading Rachel Carson's The Edge of the > Sea, which has a similar poetic quality. I highly > recommend it for anyone who hasn't had the pleasure! > > --Sharon W. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 19:56:58 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sarah H Lemaire Subject: House Meeting Tomorrow Just a reminder - the Massachusetts chapter of ASI is sponsoring house meetings this month. For those of you west of Boston, there'll be one at my house in Acton tomorrow afternoon (Saturday, March 7) at 2 p.m. We have at least 5 indexers attending so if you have some last minute free time on your hand, feel free to let me know you're attending. Sarah Lemaire shl@world.std.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:05:56 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barbara Stroup Subject: scared readers? In a time when corporate mega-structures have downsized publishers they acquire, Beacon Press has been able to maintain editorial integrity and offer a haven to "mid-list" writers. So writes David Reich in a thoughtful article about Beacon Press in this month's *World* (The Journal of the Unitarian Universalist Association to which Beacon Press is connected.)(vol xii, no 2) He says that Mark Crispin Miller's recent *Nation* article "cites the disappearance from serious nonfiction books of indexes and footnotes, which, one editor tells him, "scare off" potential readers. Scares me a bit, too! Barbara Stroup ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:54:02 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Robert A. Saigh" Subject: Re: scared readers? Barbara: I agree. If I see a nonfiction book of any kind without an index, I won't buy it unless I am in desperate need of it. For instance, I ordered the official Chrysler repair manual for my car and get this: Close to a thousand pages in three volumes and not a single index. Hello? Did I miss a meeting? Am I supposed to just know where everything is? Too many people feel that a Table of Contents is all that is needed. Wrong. A Table of Contents may provide the sketch of a book, but the index is the entire painting fleshed out and rendered. later Rob fugleman@mindspring.com Barbara Stroup wrote: > In a time when corporate mega-structures have downsized publishers they > acquire, Beacon Press has been able to maintain editorial integrity and > offer a haven to "mid-list" writers. So writes David Reich in a thoughtful > article about Beacon Press in this month's *World* (The Journal of the > Unitarian Universalist Association to which Beacon Press is connected.)(vol > xii, no 2) > He says that Mark Crispin Miller's recent *Nation* article "cites the > disappearance from serious nonfiction books of indexes and footnotes, which, > one editor tells him, "scare off" potential readers. > Scares me a bit, too! > Barbara Stroup ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 05:49:16 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Martha Wood Subject: Re: Chat: Great book find! -Reply In-Reply-To: <199803062303.SAA04510@en.com> At 05:01 PM 3/6/98 -0600, you wrote: >Sharon: I have read Rachel Carson's book. One book I read recently >was Charms for the Easy Life by Kaye Gibbons. A well-written >book with insight and chuckles. Like the movie I just came back >from seeing: Twilight. A small yet solid movie that everyone >will unfortunately forget in this age of blockbuster insanity. >After all, Titanic was a well-made TV movie. Sorry if I offend >anyone, but the dialogue was underwhelming and bland even as the >images were amazing and breathtaking. > > Till later > > Rob > fugleman@mindspring.com > >Sharon Wright wrote: >>In a similar vein, I spent last summer at >> the beach reading Rachel Carson's The Edge of the >> Sea, which has a similar poetic quality. I highly >> recommend it for anyone who hasn't had the pleasure! > >As an aspiring indexer (usda course lesson 2) and a newbie to the list it is refeshing to see this discussion. I have worked for Borders Books & Music for 6 yrs and any thoughtful and intelligent discussion about books is a breath of fresh air! Martha ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 06:56:06 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pam Rider Subject: Re: scared readers? In-Reply-To: <199803070357.TAA25484@powergrid.electriciti.com> And I LIKE footnotes. Pam Rider Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth prider@electriciti.com prider@tsktsk.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 09:04:44 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Robert A. Saigh" Subject: Re: Chat: Great book find! -Reply Martha: I have been indexing for about eight years, and I have always wondered about the USDA indexing course. Did you find it useful and educational? How much did it cost? How long does it take to complete? Let me know. Rob fugleman@mindspring.com Martha Wood wrote: > At 05:01 PM 3/6/98 -0600, you wrote: > >Sharon: > I have read Rachel Carson's book. One book I read recently > >was Charms for the Easy Life by Kaye Gibbons. A well-written > >book with insight and chuckles. Like the movie I just came back > >from seeing: Twilight. A small yet solid movie that everyone > >will unfortunately forget in this age of blockbuster insanity. > >After all, Titanic was a well-made TV movie. Sorry if I offend > >anyone, but the dialogue was underwhelming and bland even as the > >images were amazing and breathtaking. > > > > Till later > > > > Rob > > fugleman@mindspring.com > > > >Sharon Wright wrote: > >>In a similar vein, I spent last summer at > >> the beach reading Rachel Carson's The Edge of the > >> Sea, which has a similar poetic quality. I highly > >> recommend it for anyone who hasn't had the pleasure! > > > > >As an aspiring indexer (usda course lesson 2) and a newbie to the list it > is refeshing to see this discussion. I have worked for Borders Books & > Music for 6 yrs and any thoughtful and intelligent discussion about books > is a breath of fresh air! > Martha ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:21:47 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Stephen E. Bach" Subject: time management books I also recommend "The 10 Natural Laws of Successful Time and Life Management", by Hyrum W. Smith (Warner Books, $21.95). Smith is head of Franklin-Covey. Plus, if you ever have a chance to hear Hyrum Smith speak, _don't miss it_! He is incredibly powerful, inspiring, and entertaining. Stephen Bach ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 16:22:10 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Stephen E. Bach" Subject: Indexes worth noting In a remarkable book, _Le Ton beau de Marot: In Praise of the Music of Language_, Douglas R. Hofstadter has included an index which he, himself, composed. (The book is about translation, among other things, and uses a poem, Ma Mignonne, by 16th century French poet Clement Marot, as a starting point for discussions of many fascinating subjects. Included are 88 different translations of the poem!) The index is noteworthy: three columns per page of tiny type, perhaps 5pt. A bit wordy, perhaps. His note at the beginning says in part, "Though completeness is an ideal in any index, it is chimerical. Doing an index is a lesson to end all lessons in the vagueness and subjectivity of human categories. I have tried to compensate for inevitable lacunae and subjective mismatches with readers' minds by indexing most major topics in several different ways..." Stephen Bach ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 21:27:29 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Re: scared readers? Bravo, bravissima! You hit the nail, such as it is, on the head. Too few authors and dumbheaded editors and publishers realise that that a Table of Contents is not, not, NOT and Index. They of course share similar functions but are by NO means the same. One of my best reference books, Mueller's "Upgrading and Repairing PCs" has a 19-page Contents and a 49-page Index; the whole thing comes to 1100 pages. [My edition really could use a better index, done in a smaller typeface.] Perhaps having a decent index is one reason the book is now in its seventh edition? To reply to whomever posted the "scared readers" issue, I ain't "scared" about a missing index, I simply move on in disgust and buy a different book. I might be missing your point, tho. Cheers to all, dllt ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 22:30:35 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Robert A. Saigh" Subject: Re: Indexes worth noting Stephen: Thanks for the quote and the recommendation of the book. I think I tried reading Hofstader once. A bit above my head. Maybe I'll try this one. I should read more nonfiction. Everyone should. Along with much history. Along with learning at least three languages, geometry, calculus, etc. The way Milton envisioned school. Of course, I would design a school completely differently -- chronologically, in fact. If that makes any sense. I am working on a work of fiction that addresses such a subject. later Rob fugleman@mindspring.com Stephen E. Bach wrote: > In a remarkable book, _Le Ton beau de Marot: In Praise of the Music of > Language_, Douglas R. Hofstadter has included an index which he, > himself, composed. (The book is about translation, among other > things, and uses a poem, Ma Mignonne, by 16th century French poet Clement > Marot, as a starting point for discussions of many fascinating subjects. > Included are 88 different translations of the poem!) > > The index is noteworthy: three columns per page of tiny type, perhaps 5pt. > A bit wordy, perhaps. His note at the beginning says in part, > > "Though completeness is an ideal in any index, it is chimerical. > Doing an index is a lesson to end all lessons in the vagueness > and subjectivity of human categories. I have tried to compensate > for inevitable lacunae and subjective mismatches with readers' > minds by indexing most major topics in several different ways..." > > Stephen Bach ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 22:32:39 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Robert A. Saigh" Subject: Re: scared readers? Dafydd: Actually, the table of contents and the index do not share similar functions. To use an analogy, the TOC shows you the spider; the index shows you the web. later Rob fugleman@mindspring.com Dafydd Llwyd Talcott wrote: > Bravo, bravissima! You hit the nail, such as it is, on the head. > > Too few authors and dumbheaded editors and publishers realise that > that a Table of Contents is not, not, NOT and Index. They of course > share similar functions but are by NO means the same. > > One of my best reference books, Mueller's "Upgrading and Repairing > PCs" has a 19-page Contents and a 49-page Index; the whole thing comes > to 1100 pages. [My edition really could use a better index, done in > a smaller typeface.] Perhaps having a decent index is one reason the > book is now in its seventh edition? > > To reply to whomever posted the "scared readers" issue, I ain't > "scared" about a missing index, I simply move on in disgust and > buy a different book. I might be missing your point, tho. > > Cheers to all, > dllt ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 22:35:14 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Robert A. Saigh" Subject: Re: time management books Stephen: Thanks for the recommendation. Does Hyrum have his own web page, etc.? I'll have to get the book out of the library. I already own too many books that I have not read. Speaking of books, has anyone noticed that a remake of Moby Dick is coming out in the movies? I hope they don't ruin it. Hollywood, like television, can be an insidious homogenizer. later Rob fugleman@mindspring.com Stephen E. Bach wrote: > I also recommend > > "The 10 Natural Laws of Successful Time and Life Management", by Hyrum W. > Smith (Warner Books, $21.95). Smith is head of Franklin-Covey. Plus, if > you ever have a chance to hear Hyrum Smith speak, _don't miss it_! He > is incredibly powerful, inspiring, and entertaining. > > Stephen Bach