From: SMTP%"LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu" 1-JUL-1998 14:47:20.91 To: CIRJA02 CC: Subj: File: "INDEX-L LOG9805B" Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:44:25 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB (1.8a) Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9805B" To: CIRJA02@GSVMS1.CC.GASOU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 03:33:19 -0700 Reply-To: ljm2001@mindspring.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LJM Subject: Re: Indexing Software Demos Web Sites To everyone who expressed an interest in the urls of the indexing software web sites, I refer you to the American Society of Indexers web site, where these questions and many more can be answered: http://www.asindexing.org/ Thank you. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 03:57:51 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Victoria Baker Subject: Re: Pet peeve airing In-Reply-To: <199805071407.HAA10629@pacific.net> I don't have this problem about the margins--if I need a short line Macrex will give it to me. I'm talking about the fact that I have found DTP to routinely vary in accuracy by a couple of points. That used to drive me crazy. Now I just accept it. Except when airing my pet peeve. At 10:00 AM 5/7/98 EDT, you wrote: >Victoria: > >I don't know what program you are using, but if you will change your >measurement from inches to picas, the same measurement system your publisher >will use to typeset, you should be able to get the precision you need. > >DCS >The Perfect Page > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 10:55:30 -0400 Reply-To: gpc@midmaine.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Goddard Davidson Subject: Re: Cindex/Macrex I second Nancy's praise of Sky - it has some wonderful tiem saving features and great tech support. Cathy Goddard Nancy A. Guenther wrote: > > In this ongoing discussion of CINDEX vs. Macrex, indexers looking at > software for Windows, especially new indexers need to be aware of a 3rd > option -- Sky Index Professional. I've been indexing since 1983 & used > Macrex for much of that time but moved to Sky last fall. I'm very glad I > did! It provides simultaneous display of entries in index format as well as > a grid display "as entered" or "by page number" as well as other grid > display options. The typeahead feature saves **many** keystrokes. The field > arrangement of entries allows for manipulation of previously entered text > (adding prefixes or suffixes to entries; changing page numbers for a group > of entries, etc.) Macros & acronyms are other time savers. > > Kamm Schreiner the developer has been very responsive to questions & > suggestions as he continues to improve the software. > > Macrex & Cindex have been valuable to our work, just don't forget Sky is > another possibility. > > Nancy Guenther > nanguent@chesco.com > > >> > >> How many people have had equal experience of Macrex and Cindex, and which > >> do they prefer? > >> > >> Margaret Binns > > > >I use both! I know exactly when I am going to use one or the other. In the DOS > >versions, I would use CINDEX when I had complicated page references (which I do > > have > >frequently), ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:42:19 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jeri Lee Subject: WP indexing Several people have mentioned using WordPerfect for indexing. I'm curious as to how they do this. WordPerfect (5.1) is the program I use for medical transcription and it would be nice if I could begin indexing without committing to a specialized program until I know more about what I want. I know WP is a very versatile program, but I've never bothered to learn more than I needed to do MT. Could someone clue me in? Your reply on or off list would be welcome. Thanx, Jeri Lee ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:43:17 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John and Kara Pekar I'm still considering names for my indexing business. Does anyone recognize "Noteworthy Indexing" as already being in use? Private replies are fine! Incidentally, I'm also a singer, so "noteworthy" is a sort of play on words for me. Thanks, Kara Pekar jkpekar@crosslink.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:11:42 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ellen Wright Subject: Keywords Mar/Apr 1998 I never received my Mar/Apr Keywords. Has anybody else had this problem? has it been discussed on the list? If so I apologize. Who handles circulation -- the ASI office in Seattle ? You can reply offlist. Thanks. Ellen Wright, MLS Research Librarian/Indexer Cinahl Information Systems 1509 Wilson Terrace Glendale, CA 91206 USA 818-409-8005 *4583 http://www.cinahl.com/ ewright@cinahl.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 12:27:48 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: ROBJRICH Subject: Re: "Endnote Indexing" Hi - Kara Pekar wrote: "Noteworthy" is good, but we hope that she is not quitting indexing - - that would be an endnote. Anybody want to fuss with "footnote"? . How about "Bel Canto Indexing"? My Oxford dictionary says: . "bel canto. n. A lyrical style of operatic singing using a full rich broad tone and smooth phrasing." . "Smooth phrasing" eh? Sounds like good indexing to me.... . Of course, Kara also could use "A Cappella Indexing". After all, indexing typically is a solitary enterprise, done without accompaniment... Bob Richardson ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:50:52 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Robert A. Saigh" Subject: Re: WP indexing To those concerned: I used to use WP 5.1 DOS to do my indexing until I switched to CINDEX. It can be done as long as you are organized and methodical. CINDEX (or the two other competitors) makes the job easier. Take my advice about WP 5.1 DOS for indexing: don't. rob fugleman@mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:52:01 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "McMillen, Paula" Kara, One quick and dirty search is to look in various white and yellow pages for the relevant states to see if someone is using the names you're interested in. I think there is even a national business directory you can search. Lycos is a good place to start. Paula McMillen McMillen Indexing Services > ---------- > From: John and Kara Pekar[SMTP:jkpekar@CROSSLINK.NET] > Reply To: Indexer's Discussion Group > Sent: Friday, May 08, 1998 8:43 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > > I'm still considering names for my indexing business. Does anyone > recognize "Noteworthy Indexing" as already being in use? Private > replies > are fine! Incidentally, I'm also a singer, so "noteworthy" is a sort > of > play on words for me. > > Thanks, > Kara Pekar > jkpekar@crosslink.net > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 17:15:34 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Osp Viggosdottir Subject: Business names In-Reply-To: <199805081549.PAA20264@syrpa.khi.is> Hi. Kara Pekar wrote: >I'm still considering names for my indexing business. Does anyone >recognize "Noteworthy Indexing" as already being in use? Private replies >are fine! Incidentally, I'm also a singer, so "noteworthy" is a sort of >play on words for me. I feel people sometimes get too hung up on names or words that tie directly to the line of business they're in. I recall dozens, maybe even hundreds, of Micro-, Soft- Compu[ter]- something. I think the same goes for other kind of businesses (although I really like that "note" connection in noteworthy!). I'm going to call my own business "Harold the squirrel" ['Haraldur ikorni' in Icelandic]. I didn't realize until after my decision that a squirrel fits well with the Internet with all the trees and roots!! (Every December we have in Iceland a sort of a "Chrismas calendar" on TV, a 10 minute episode per day, running Dec. 1st-24th. Last year's was about "clever Klaengur" [Klaengur snidugi] and Harold the squirrel. They experienced some incredible adventures before they managed to get home on Christmas Eve.) I feel it is easier to remember names that are unusual and NOT connected to the field - especially if the competition if fierce, like in computers and, say, bars and restaurants. Wouldn't you remember weird things like: Two friends - one on vacation The fat dwarf Grandma Lou They are all real names of businesses! Actually, I think the only field where original names don't help you at all: showbiz; they have tried everything... Cheers, Osp +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Osp Viggosdottir osp@khi.is + + Educational College of Iceland + + + + - Ho-ho-ho! The Finnish Santa-Claus, 1997 + + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:24:35 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Norcross Subject: Re: "Endnote Indexing" Kara Pekar wrote: > recognize "Noteworthy Indexing" as already being in use? Private replies > are fine! Incidentally, I'm also a singer, so "noteworthy" is a sort of > play on words for me..> Another usefull check to make is to type in the names of Web sites to see if they already exist (wish I had done this before naming my business, by the way). Most recognizable words and phrases are already taken. For example, the followiong Web sites already exist: http://www.belcanto.com http://www.endnote.com http://www.acapella.com http://www.noteworthy.com http://www.crossover.com (this is not me) http://www.indexing.com (Hi, Maria!) Ann Norcross Crossover Information Service (no Web site yet... ) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 10:36:35 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Roberta Horowitz Subject: Re: Business names You might want to check out the trademark database. Here is the URL for the US Patent and Trademark office as well as a couple of commerical trademark services. US Patent and Trademark Office http://www.uspto.gov Commerical http://www.trademarkregister.com http://www.idresearch.com Roberta Horowitz At 05:15 PM 5/8/98 -0700, you wrote: >Hi. > >Kara Pekar wrote: >>I'm still considering names for my indexing business. Does anyone >>recognize "Noteworthy Indexing" as already being in use? Private replies >>are fine! Incidentally, I'm also a singer, so "noteworthy" is a sort of >>play on words for me. > >I feel people sometimes get too hung up on names or words that tie directly >to the line of business they're in. I recall dozens, maybe even hundreds, >of Micro-, Soft- Compu[ter]- something. I think the same goes for other >kind of businesses (although I really like that "note" connection in >noteworthy!). > >I'm going to call my own business "Harold the squirrel" ['Haraldur ikorni' >in Icelandic]. I didn't realize until after my decision that a squirrel >fits well with the Internet with all the trees and roots!! > >(Every December we have in Iceland a sort of a "Chrismas calendar" on TV, a >10 minute episode per day, running Dec. 1st-24th. Last year's was about >"clever Klaengur" [Klaengur snidugi] and Harold the squirrel. They >experienced some incredible adventures before they managed to get home on >Christmas Eve.) > >I feel it is easier to remember names that are unusual and NOT connected to >the field - especially if the competition if fierce, like in computers and, >say, bars and restaurants. Wouldn't you remember weird things like: > >Two friends - one on vacation >The fat dwarf >Grandma Lou > >They are all real names of businesses! > >Actually, I think the only field where original names don't help you at >all: showbiz; they have tried everything... > >Cheers, > >Osp > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > + Osp Viggosdottir osp@khi.is + > + Educational College of Iceland + > + + > + - Ho-ho-ho! The Finnish Santa-Claus, 1997 + > + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 10:57:26 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Martha Osgood Subject: Re: "Endnote Indexing" In-Reply-To: <199805081737.KAA20744@smtp1.teleport.com> >For example, the followiong Web sites already exist: > >http://www.belcanto.com >http://www.endnote.com >http://www.acapella.com >http://www.noteworthy.com >http://www.crossover.com (this is not me) >http://www.indexing.com (Hi, Maria!) As does backwords.com Drat. Martha Back Words Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:10:44 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Virginia McHenry This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BD7A8B.16F8F860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SET NOMAIL INDEX-L ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BD7A8B.16F8F860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BD7A8B.16F8F860-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 14:18:57 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Shrout Subject: Re: Cindex/Macrex In-Reply-To: <199805071309.JAA06771@wdcsun1.usdoj.gov> I have also been using SKY Index Pro since the fall. I can second everything in Nancy's message. There are two other features that are extremely important to me: 1) being able to view the index in exactly the order in which it was entered (in order to easily proof what someone else has keyed for me) and 2) just being able to work directly in the Windows environment which means, for instance, that specifying an en dash as a page number separator is now a matter of finding one check box in the settings instead of a major formatting ordeal. For those going to Seattle: there will be at least two opportunities to meet with indexers actually using SKY Index Pro (and for those using it to get together with each other) 1) on Wednesday evening, dinner and/or informal meeting. Look for announcements for details in Seattle. Meet in lobby at 6:00. 2) Thursday at the networking luncheon there will be a SKY Pro table. Kamm will also be at event 1) but not at the luncheon. See you there. Richard Shrout On Thu, 7 May 1998, Nancy A. Guenther wrote: > In this ongoing discussion of CINDEX vs. Macrex, indexers looking at > software for Windows, especially new indexers need to be aware of a 3rd > option -- Sky Index Professional. I've been indexing since 1983 & used > Macrex for much of that time but moved to Sky last fall. I'm very glad I > did! It provides simultaneous display of entries in index format as well as > a grid display "as entered" or "by page number" as well as other grid > display options. The typeahead feature saves **many** keystrokes. The field > arrangement of entries allows for manipulation of previously entered text > (adding prefixes or suffixes to entries; changing page numbers for a group > of entries, etc.) Macros & acronyms are other time savers. > > Kamm Schreiner the developer has been very responsive to questions & > suggestions as he continues to improve the software. > > Macrex & Cindex have been valuable to our work, just don't forget Sky is > another possibility. > > Nancy Guenther > nanguent@chesco.com > > > > >> > >> How many people have had equal experience of Macrex and Cindex, and which > >> do they prefer? > >> > >> Margaret Binns > > > >I use both! I know exactly when I am going to use one or the other. In the DOS > >versions, I would use CINDEX when I had complicated page references (which I do > > have > >frequently), > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:27:02 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: ROBJRICH Subject: Warning Re: Film and Airport X-Rays All - - Thought you might like to know about this (esp. those flying to the ASI Conference in Seattle): The latest issue (June 1998) of Popular Photography has a major story about new airport X-ray machines fogging ALL unexposed and exposed (but unprocessed) film. Note that this applies only to ticketed baggage being checked through, not to hand-carried baggage. The radiation levels for hand-carried and checked-baggage scanning can be quite different (typically 0.25 mR vs. 3 mR). Previously, we were relatively safe with film speeds below ASA 400, but this is no longer true for the new CTX-5000 X-ray machines. Lead-foil-lined film bags will NOT protect film from fogging by the new machines. I urge you all to read this article, and to be certain to hand-carry all film, unexposed and unprocessed exposed, through airport check-in. Hmmnnn. Have a nice trip ...... Bob Richardson ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:28:08 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Suellen Kasoff Subject: Re: Keywords Mar/Apr 1998 Just got mine last week. Suellen On Fri, 8 May 1998 09:11:42 -0700 Ellen Wright writes: >I never received my Mar/Apr Keywords. Has anybody else had this >problem? has >it been discussed on the list? If so I apologize. Who handles >circulation -- >the ASI office in Seattle ? You can reply offlist. Thanks. >Ellen Wright, MLS >Research Librarian/Indexer >Cinahl Information Systems >1509 Wilson Terrace >Glendale, CA 91206 USA >818-409-8005 *4583 >http://www.cinahl.com/ >ewright@cinahl.com > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:29:59 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Suellen Kasoff Subject: Re: "Endnote Indexing" How about smooth phrasing indexing service? Suellen On Fri, 8 May 1998 12:27:48 EDT ROBJRICH writes: >Hi - > >Kara Pekar wrote: > >recognize "Noteworthy Indexing" as already being in use? Private >replies >are fine! Incidentally, I'm also a singer, so "noteworthy" is a sort >of >play on words for me..> > >"Noteworthy" is good, but we hope that she is not quitting indexing - >- that >would be an endnote. Anybody want to fuss with "footnote"? >. >How about "Bel Canto Indexing"? My Oxford dictionary says: >. >"bel canto. n. A lyrical style of operatic singing using a full >rich broad >tone and smooth phrasing." >. >"Smooth phrasing" eh? Sounds like good indexing to me.... >. >Of course, Kara also could use "A Cappella Indexing". After all, >indexing >typically is a solitary enterprise, done without accompaniment... > >Bob Richardson > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:38:42 -0400 Reply-To: 345@aiche.org, East@aiche.org, 47@aiche.org, St@aiche.org, New@aiche.org, York@aiche.org, NY@aiche.org, 10017@aiche.org Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John Howe Organization: AIChE Subject: Who Wrote This? I know this query varies somewhat from this usual discussion topics, but I'd be interested to find out if anyone knows who wrote the following: There is no shark like hatred, There is no snare like folly, There is no torrent like greed. Also, does anyone know of a good site for locating obscure quotations? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ John Howe Managing Editor, Chemical Engineering Progress American Institute of Chemical Engineers 345 E. 47th St. New York, NY 10017-2395 Phone: 212-705-7334 - Fax: 212-705-7812 johnh@aiche.org - http://www.aiche.org +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:01:41 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Mary S Stephenson Subject: Re: Who Wrote This? In-Reply-To: <35535F31.60836676@aiche.org> Hi John, If only life [not to mention the WEB] were simple... Famous Quotes http://www.stockprofiles.com/quotes/quotes4.htm There is no fire like passion, there is no shark like hatred, there is no snare like folly, there is no torrent like greed. Ben Jonson On the other hand a couple of other sites say this: Quotes and Proverbs http://webstu.messiah.edu/~lb1164/proverbs.htm There is no fire like passion, there is no shark like hatred, there is no snare like folly, there is no torrent like greed." --Buddha Philosophic sayings http://www.wwd.net/user/sfnorris/sayings.htm There is no fire like passion, there is no shark like hatred, there is no snare like folly, there is not torrent like greed." - Gautama Buddha In any case, all three sites are good sources. Cheers, Susie Stephenson SLAIS/UBC mss@unixg.ubc.ca On Fri, 8 May 1998, John Howe wrote: > I know this query varies somewhat from this usual discussion topics, > but I'd be interested to find out if anyone knows who wrote the > following: > There is no shark like hatred, There is no snare like folly, There is no > torrent like greed. > Also, does anyone know of a good site for locating obscure quotations? > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > John Howe > Managing Editor, Chemical Engineering Progress > American Institute of Chemical Engineers > 345 E. 47th St. > New York, NY 10017-2395 > Phone: 212-705-7334 - Fax: 212-705-7812 > johnh@aiche.org - http://www.aiche.org > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:31:42 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "McCullough, Elizabeth W" Subject: Re: Who Wrote This? Sounds more like the Buddha than Ben Johnson... Elizabeth _______________________________________________ > "Correspondence is the consolation of life." - Voltaire -----Original Message----- From: Mary S Stephenson [mailto:mss@UNIXG.UBC.CA] Sent: Friday, May 08, 1998 3:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Subject: Re: Who Wrote This? Hi John, If only life [not to mention the WEB] were simple... Famous Quotes http://www.stockprofiles.com/quotes/quotes4.htm There is no fire like passion, there is no shark like hatred, there is no snare like folly, there is no torrent like greed. Ben Jonson On the other hand a couple of other sites say this: Quotes and Proverbs http://webstu.messiah.edu/~lb1164/proverbs.htm There is no fire like passion, there is no shark like hatred, there is no snare like folly, there is no torrent like greed." --Buddha Philosophic sayings http://www.wwd.net/user/sfnorris/sayings.htm There is no fire like passion, there is no shark like hatred, there is no snare like folly, there is not torrent like greed." - Gautama Buddha In any case, all three sites are good sources. Cheers, Susie Stephenson SLAIS/UBC mss@unixg.ubc.ca On Fri, 8 May 1998, John Howe wrote: > I know this query varies somewhat from this usual discussion topics, > but I'd be interested to find out if anyone knows who wrote the > following: > There is no shark like hatred, There is no snare like folly, There is no > torrent like greed. > Also, does anyone know of a good site for locating obscure quotations? > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > John Howe > Managing Editor, Chemical Engineering Progress > American Institute of Chemical Engineers > 345 E. 47th St. > New York, NY 10017-2395 > Phone: 212-705-7334 - Fax: 212-705-7812 > johnh@aiche.org - http://www.aiche.org > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 16:37:36 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Norcross Subject: Re: Who Wrote This? John Howe wrote: > > I know this query varies somewhat from this usual discussion topics, > but I'd be interested to find out if anyone knows who wrote the > following: > There is no shark like hatred, There is no snare like folly, There is no > torrent like greed. > Also, does anyone know of a good site for locating obscure quotations? This quote: "There is no fire like passion, there is no shark like hatred, there is no snare like folly, there is no torrent like greed" is attributed to Buddha on this Web page: http://www.hahira.ga.us/ and this Web page: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/6310/magazine.html These seem to be collections of quotes people have heard but not researched (there are LOTS of Web sites like this.) One site even attributes the quote to "Unknown. Seen on Law and Order." :-) Here's a more complete citation: Buddha (Siddartha Gautama) Dhammapada, Verse 18, Impurity (Note: the verse is long; your quote is just a snippet of it) Here is the translation by S. Beck Web site: http://www.edepot.com/dhamma3.html There is no fire like lust, no chain like hate; there is no snare like folly, no torrent like craving. Here is the translation by S. Wannapok Web site: http://www.edepot.com/dhamma4.html No fire is there like lust. No captor like hatred. No snare like delusion. No torrent like craving. Here is the translation by T. Byrom Web site: http://www.edepot.com/dhamma.html There is no fire like passion, There are no chains like hate. Illusion is a net, Desire a rushing river. P.S. John, please check you "Reply-To" address in your email program; you seem to have put in your street address as a Reply-To address. The Reply-To address should be an email address, not a physical address. Your email program is translating each element of your street address to an email address, so we are seeing: 345@aiche.org, East@aiche.org, 47@aiche.org, St@aiche.org, New@aiche.org, York@aiche.org, NY@aiche.org, and 10017@aiche.org, which I am sure is not at all what you intended!! Ann Norcross Crossover Information Services ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:06:02 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Mary S Stephenson Subject: Re: Finding Quotations- Jonson vs. Buddha In-Reply-To: <35537406.992C7FCA@optum.com> On Fri, 8 May 1998, Rose Kennedy wrote: > Hi, Susie. Actually, the page: Famous Quotes > http://www.stockprofiles.com/quotes/quotes4.htm > correctly attributes the quote in question to Buddha. The page layout > makes it appear to be Jonson's quote, but if you look closely, you'll > see that the author's name follows the quote instead of preceding it. > It's just an example of bad graphical design leading to confusion. > You can pass the information on to INDEX-L if you there is interest. > Thanks for pointing the way to some interesting sites! > Rose Kennedy Rose, Thanks for the info and shame on me ;>. Actually I'm glad you pointed this out. I'm teaching a course this month on advanced information retrieval that includes searching the web, and I'll use this [both the bad design and my not-so-careful-reading] as "watch-out" examples. Cheers, Susie Stephenson ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 18:41:11 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barbara Mullinix Subject: A Living Index In-Reply-To: <199805040414.AAA05925@ kis.net> I was catching up on some of my back mail, and the questions on the Washington Treaty/German unification, the Buddha quote, and so many others I have read over the past year, made me realize that a collection of human minds is a living index--the ultimate information retrieval system. Barb Mullinix "Will index for plants." ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:04:40 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dwight Walker Subject: apology from detractors of my efforts at AusSI Hi I found Dave Evans and Glenda Browne's knocking of my efforts in Web indexing offensive. I feel that the 3 years I put into AusSI's Web site and starting the Web indexing prize (from nothing mind you!) should have been recognized in some formal way at AusSI such as a gift or statement in print. We put up a Web site before the Americans I feel it still has the folksy style that makes it interesting and gets a high return rate. So I am sticking up for myself. I pioneered this new form of indexing so ask for some respect even if you do not understand it all. I sense the carping springs from protecting their current position of book indexing so do not feel it is very warranted. Also I don't know if they run a business but such negative feedback based on ignorance can really hit small business badly. Luckily I am getting some publicity through this but I feel there must be some kind of sanity and freedom to start new ventures not knocking and pulling down. 'Love builds up'. Build up for God's sake. Don't be a wimp and throw stones... Dwight ex Webmaster of the Australian Society of Indexers ---------------------------------------------------------- Dwight Walker, Sydney, Australia tel +61-2-98960286, mob 0412-405727, fax +61-2-97772058 ICQ No. 4631678, handle: wwwalker (www.mirabilis.com) WWWalker Web Development: http://www.wwwalker.com.au Australian Society of Indexers: http://www.zeta.org.au/~aussi Sydney Linux Users Group http://www.slug.org.au Waverley Randwick Philharmonic http://www.wwwalker.com.au/wrps.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 19:48:26 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marea & Jim Tumber Subject: Re: apology from detractors of my efforts at AusSI Hi- I have been following this thread, or so I thought. Wasn't this issue peacefully put to rest about one week ago? What was said that was offensive? I learned a lot through reading the posts about it. I guessed I missed something. Marea ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 19:51:45 +0000 Reply-To: connolly@neca.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dan Connolly Organization: WORD FOR WORD Book Indexing Subject: Re: "Endnote Indexing" Martha, Have your tried other variations? Back_Words BackWords_Indexing BackWordsIndexing These would work fine for you. =85Dan --=20 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Dan Connolly mailto:connolly@neca.com WORD FOR WORD Book Indexing and Editing Services http://WFWIndex.necaweb.com/=20 Woodstock, CT, USA -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 20:15:00 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: apology from detractors of my efforts at AusSI At 09:04 AM 5/9/98 +1000, you wrote: >Hi > >I found Dave Evans and Glenda Browne's knocking of my efforts in Web >indexing offensive. I don't recall commenting on your efforts, only your tone. This latest is just more of the same. Dick (not Dave) Evans ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 20:43:26 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barbara Mullinix Subject: Names of Historic Houses In a book that names a number of historic houses some houses are known simply by the family name, such as the Miksch House or the Triebel House. Others show a person's full name--Gottlieb Shober House--Traugott Bagge House (presumably because there may be other Bagge or Shober houses, though I see no sign of that in this book). My question is this: would you index the last two examples--under Shober and Bagge? Or would you index them under "G" for Gottlieb and "T" for Traugott? If you would do the latter, how would you show the whole name? Bagge (Traugott) House? Bagge House (Traugott)? Bagge, Traugott, House? I suppose it would be the same as the Richard Montgomery Theater or Robert F. Kennedy Stadium, but those would give me a long pause too. Thanks a bunch, Barb Mullinix "Will index for plants." ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:58:04 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Alan Walker Subject: Re: Keywords Mar/Apr 1998 At 09:11 AM 8/05/98 -0700, you wrote: >I never received my Mar/Apr Keywords. Has anybody else had this problem? It made it to the post office box of the Australian Society of Indexers in Sydney two weeks ago. (But then, we are many hours ahead of you.) Alan **************************************************************** Alan Walker, Indexer President, Australian Society of Indexers 10 Rockwall Crescent, Potts Point, NSW, Australia 2011 Tel: +61 2 9368 0174 +61 2 9368 0176 Fax: +61 2 9358 5593 Email: alan.walker@s054.aone.net.au **************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:58:08 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Alan Walker Subject: Re: apology from detractors of my efforts at AusSI At 09:04 AM 9/05/98 +1000, Dwight wrote: >I feel that the 3 years I put into AusSI's Web site and >starting the Web indexing prize (from nothing mind you!) should have been >recognized in some formal way at AusSI such as a gift or statement in print. For the record, Dwight's contribution as AusSI's first Webmaster has been recognised in print in my President's report for 1997, published in the AusSI Newsletter for April 1998, as well as in the minutes of the AusSI National Committee, and in speeches I made at gatherings such as the Futureproof Indexer conference in Katoomba in September 1997 and the presentation of the Web Indexing Prize at the Annual General Meeting for 1998. Alan Walker **************************************************************** Alan Walker, Indexer President, Australian Society of Indexers 10 Rockwall Crescent, Potts Point, NSW, Australia 2011 Tel: +61 2 9368 0174 +61 2 9368 0176 Fax: +61 2 9358 5593 Email: alan.walker@s054.aone.net.au **************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:14:12 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Manjit K. Sahai" Subject: Multiple messages from Index-L Hi everyone, Today I got 5 copies of each message of Index-L when I downloaded my mail. My computer showed 33 messages (which included messages from Index-L as well as my private email). But in reality only 7 seven showed up (though they were listed as 35 ....7x5). After the 7th message my computer is not downloading any messages. Basically it is stuck after the 7th message. My husband thinks (who happens to be computer genius in my family) that something is wrong with mail server at Index-L. Can someone help me with this mess so that I can download all of my messages and without getting million copies of each message. I was expecting some email messages from some of my clients and I am really desperate to get these messages. Any help would be appreciated. I am really DESPERATE !!!! Manjit K. Sahai RAM Indexing Services Sahai-Co@msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:49:19 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Karen Lane Subject: SEATTLE: What a shock! Can this be possible? I was just reading the AAA book about Cavanaugh's Inn (the Conference Hotel), and the listing in my book says All rooms: no phones, no TVs I can do without a TV just fine, but no phones? My book is "valid" through 2/98, by the way. Maybe the newer edition mentions some phones? Can someone check? Thanks. Karen Lane klane@digital.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 00:14:38 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barry Koffler Subject: Re: Multiple messages from Index-L In-Reply-To: <199805090220.WAA16642@ulster.net> >After the 7th message my computer is not downloading any messages. Basically >it is stuck after the 7th message. My husband thinks (who happens to be >computer genius in my family) that something is wrong with mail server at >Index-L. I've had this sort of thing happen when people send me large graphic files. It's my mail server that gets blocked. I have to call my ISP and have them remove the offending message. I just make sure to get the address of the sender so I can tell them it didn't arrive. -Barry oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo barkof@ulster.net Barry Koffler mid-Hudson Valley, NY the FeatherSite at http://www.feathersite.com/ lead me not into temptation . . . I can find it myself. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 00:33:29 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman Subject: Re: SEATTLE: What a shock! Dear Karen, Let me hasten to assure you that the info in the AAA book about Cavanaughs in Seattle, the site of the ASI annual conference coming up next week, is blatantly incorrect. Cavanaughs is a full-service hotel, and the rooms are fully equipped with phones, TVs, dataports, etc. I can't imagine where they got their info at AAA. Don't pay it any mind. None of us in ASI would want to go to a facility with no phones and no TVs! I hope this clarifies things for any of you that are still thinking about attending the conference. As far as I know, the hotel is *not* sold out, although the time to hold the conference rate for rooms is past. Janet Perlman Southwest Indexing and ASI Secretary ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 01:02:48 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Karen Lane Subject: Re: Keywords Mar/Apr 1998 >I never received my Mar/Apr Keywords. Has anybody else had this problem? has >it been discussed on the list? If so I apologize. Who handles circulation -- >the ASI office in Seattle ? You can reply offlist. Thanks. Mine arrived yesterday. Karen Lane klane@digital.net Merritt Island, Florida, USA ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 01:19:00 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman Subject: Re: Keywords Mar/Apr 1998 All, Some of us, me included, have not received our KeyWords yet. Obviously, there was a problem, either with the mailing, or with the Post Office. It will have to be looked into, you can be sure. ASI is aware of the problem. Please let the ASI office know if you did not receive your copy of KW. Janet Perlman ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 15:51:35 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dwight Walker Subject: Re: apology from detractors of my efforts at AusSI OK Smug or not, I did a lot of work in Web indexing a fair while ago. I was approached by someone in Melbourne to encourage indexers to index Web sites. I put together a few pages on our Web site at the time for Web indexing. In the end we managed to kick off a Web indexing prize to encourage would be indexer to get into this field. Just recently Glenda pointed out a weakness in Web indexing - the links keep changing. My answer at the time was to mention meta tagging as an alternative to just creating many links in a database. I guess what was bad was that when I meant in good will to encourage a new revenue stream was basically forgotten and now as I am starting my business and trying to resurrect that area I got quite a few people saying they could not afford it or were not up to the new stuff. I get emotional sometimes - I am a musician and highly strung - so if I sound a bit down that could be it. Yes I brewed over the cold response I received to my answers to Glenda's criticisms. In the end I was going to let it die but I thought it was not good to leave a grudge go on. So I attacked Mr Evans who has gone and got stuck into me yet again... ;) (He had the most angry response to what I had said - I think the rather melancholy note I wrote from Brisbane about despairing of anyone wanting to take it up went down like a lead balloon). And now I get a counterattack so what's the use. Let's leave the embers die off. No use being angry for ever hey ;) When I left the AusSI National Exec there was a general consensus not to pursue electronic publishing in any major form for at least a year or two for the Newsletter. As a result I was out of a job basically. I luckily had started a Web business totally not to do with Web indexing about August 1997. This new area has been basically at the request of Americans I have met on chat sessions. So no I am not some grandiose fool from Australia. I do my job as best as I can. I just get sick of the tall-poppy syndrome in Australia where if anyone tries to do well, you get a brick bat... Hope that puts to rest this idea of me being some kind of numbskull who has a bone to pick. I just find Americans can be very serious and often I mean to be taken less seriously. In Australia we use different sentiments from you guys. We are less serious. I got ropeable because I could see us not being given adequate say. May the best man win. Anyway, have a nice day. Dwight ---------------------------------------------------------- Dwight Walker, Sydney, Australia tel +61-2-98960286, mob 0412-405727, fax +61-2-97772058 ICQ No. 4631678, handle: wwwalker (www.mirabilis.com) WWWalker Web Development: http://www.wwwalker.com.au Australian Society of Indexers: http://www.zeta.org.au/~aussi Sydney Linux Users Group http://www.slug.org.au Waverley Randwick Philharmonic http://www.wwwalker.com.au/wrps.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 17:41:51 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dwight Walker Subject: WWWalker in USA Hi Thanks Alan Walker for your support. I will be in USA very soon now. I am sorry for misunderstandings and hassles Dick Evans but am glad that patch is over. It is never easy setting up a new business in a new industry. Bye Dwight ---------------------------------------------------------- Dwight Walker, Sydney, Australia tel +61-2-98960286, mob 0412-405727, fax +61-2-97772058 ICQ No. 4631678, handle: wwwalker (www.mirabilis.com) WWWalker Web Development: http://www.wwwalker.com.au Australian Society of Indexers: http://www.zeta.org.au/~aussi Sydney Linux Users Group http://www.slug.org.au Waverley Randwick Philharmonic http://www.wwwalker.com.au/wrps.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 06:57:04 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Re: SEATTLE: What a shock! In response to Karen Lane and anyone else who was alarmed to see the misinformation in the AAA listing for Cavanaughs, I want to assure you that AAA's listing is a great example of the fact that you can't believe everything you read! ;-) Please be assured that Cavanaughs is an upscale hotel, and all of the guest rooms *do* have phones and TVs. BTW, all rooms also feature king or queen beds. The hotel's Terrace Garden is a full-service restaurant & lounge with the largest outdoor terrace in downtown Seattle. There's also an aerobic fitness center. Looking forward to seeing you in Seattle! .... Lori *********************************************************************** Lori Lathrop ---------->INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com Vice President/President-Elect, American Society of Indexers Lathrop Media Services, 7308-C East Independence Blvd., #316 Charlotte, NC 28227 / Phone: 704-531-0021 URL - http://idt.net/~lathro19 (note: that's a "nineteen" at the end) *********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:32:11 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: CGWeaver Subject: locator formatting Help! I need suggestions for handling locator formatting for an index to a 500-page book where most of the locators are to chapter and paragraph number (e.g., 2.35 referring to chapter 2, paragraph 35) but which has some references to a straight page number (e.g., 15) or a box or a figure that doesn't fit into the paragraph numbering scheme. I've suggested to the client using boldface for page numbers and italic for the box or figure indicator (with an explanatory headnote); but he doesn't like this. (I do NOT like the chapter/paragraph numbering, btw -- it's what the client wants and he's committed to it.) Following is an example of what I've used thus far (the \b--\B indicates bold; \i---|I indicates italic): Drug abuse, 1.25-1.26 Easy gainers genetics in, 1.19, \b12-13\B prevalence of, \b13\B training and, 2.9 Maintenance training, \b73\B \ibox\I Short of adding the page number to EVERY reference, I can't figure out any way to avoid using style formatting in the locators and avoid confusing the users. I can't see using 13 (unadorned) to refer to a page number and later using 13.xx as a chapter number. My other complication is that this client is in Europe; so all the negotiation for this index is being done by email and fax. Suggestions, please! Carolyn Weaver Bellevue, WA ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:51:20 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Seinfeld? Now that we are sure that Cavanaugh's has TVs, is anyone planning to catch the final episode of Seinfeld Thursday evening? I'm not a Seinfeld fan, but did plan to catch this special event. Maybe we could have a Seinfeld party. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 09:26:08 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cheryl Jackson Subject: Re: locator formatting Carolyn, Is your client insisting that the chapter/paragraph numbering system be what is used in the index? Because if I understand correctly, your book has page numbers throughout in addition to chapter/paragraph numbering, correct? In other words, 2.35 falls on page 46, 2.36 falls on pages 47-48, etc. If that's the case, I would argue for just having page numbers in the index and not even messing with the chapter/paragraph numbering scheme. The client will still have his numbering scheme throughout the chapters, but the index will be clearer and much easier to read. I don't think the reader will lose anything by just having page numbers in the index. They'll see the chapter/paragraph numbers as soon as they turn to the relevant page anyway, right? Hope that helps, or at least gives you some ideas for presenting your case to your client. Cheryl Jackson Macmillan Publishing ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: locator formatting Author: CGWeaver at internet Date: 5/9/98 9:32 AM Help! I need suggestions for handling locator formatting for an index to a 500-page book where most of the locators are to chapter and paragraph number (e.g., 2.35 referring to chapter 2, paragraph 35) but which has some references to a straight page number (e.g., 15) or a box or a figure that doesn't fit into the paragraph numbering scheme. I've suggested to the client using boldface for page numbers and italic for the box or figure indicator (with an explanatory headnote); but he doesn't like this. (I do NOT like the chapter/paragraph numbering, btw -- it's what the client wants and he's committed to it.) Following is an example of what I've used thus far (the \b--\B indicates bold; \i---|I indicates italic): Drug abuse, 1.25-1.26 Easy gainers genetics in, 1.19, \b12-13\B prevalence of, \b13\B training and, 2.9 Maintenance training, \b73\B \ibox\I Short of adding the page number to EVERY reference, I can't figure out any way to avoid using style formatting in the locators and avoid confusing the users. I can't see using 13 (unadorned) to refer to a page number and later using 13.xx as a chapter number. My other complication is that this client is in Europe; so all the negotiation for this index is being done by email and fax. Suggestions, please! Carolyn Weaver Bellevue, WA ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:26:51 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: not index but listserv and pennies Hi all, Can someone remind me of the listserv command that makes it so Reply is to the sender, and not to the list? One of my other lists is having an awful lot of trouble with multiple "Oh sorry, that was supposed to be private" stuff, and I thought maybe I could help, but can't find the command. Have fun in Seattle. If anyone sees one of those penny machines where you put in a penny plus 50 cents and get the squashed penny back, would you get one for me? I'll pay you back for cost and postage. Rachel Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 11:43:45 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: CGWeaver Subject: Re: locator formatting In a message dated 98-05-09 10:29:02 EDT, you write: << If that's the case, I would argue for just having page numbers in the index and not even messing with the chapter/paragraph numbering scheme. The client will still have his numbering scheme throughout the chapters, but the index will be clearer and much easier to read. >> The client (who is the author as well as the publisher) is adamant; the chapter/paragraph number MUST be used in the index; he even refers to it that way in the introduction. And there is a LOT more material that falls outside the chapter/paragraph scheme than I was led to believe before I got the material. So what I've decided to counter that we use the page numbers thruout in addition to the chapter.paragraph [e.g., 48(2.35-2.37). Problem is that there are also size limits on the index; and I agree it's much clearer if you skip the chapter/paragraph entirely. Carolyn ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 11:21:41 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Linda Sloan Subject: Re: apology from detractors of my efforts at AusSI Dwight; I want to go on record to acknowledge that you've been doing a great job to encourage us to consider a new field for our indexing talents. I have appreciated your help when I entered the two Web index contests and the feedback on my entry last year after the judging and announcement of the winners. I understand how difficult a start-up can be and the doubts one faces as we "go where no one else has gone before". This is usually the hardest trip to make because there is no roadmap to where you are going. Just remember this - inoformation is great to help run a business but the decisions are more often made by gut instinct and intuition than by merely mere numbers or data. Walt Disney went bankrupt several times before succeeding beyond his dreams with Disneyland. Keep the dream alive! See you in Seattle. Linda Sloan ************************************************** Linda Kenny Sloan Information Universe Editorial services for the space industry Editing, indexing, proofreading email indexer@ix.netcom.com URL http://informationuniverse.com ************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:10:31 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "J. Naomi Linzer" Subject: Re: Seinfeld? In-Reply-To: <199805091356.GAA19929@neti.saber.net> I was hoping this would develop if it didn't conflict with our conference schedule! >Now that we are sure that Cavanaugh's has TVs, is anyone planning to catch >the final episode of Seinfeld Thursday evening? > >I'm not a Seinfeld fan, but did plan to catch this special event. Maybe we >could have a Seinfeld party. > >Dick ******************************************************************************** J. Naomi Linzer, Humboldt County, CA Please note my new e-mail address: jnlinzer@saber.net * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "And in such indexes, although small pricks to their subsequent volumes, there is seen the baby figure of the giant mass of things to come at large." William Shakespeare: "Troulus and Cressida" ******************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 13:30:56 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: ROBJRICH Subject: Re: Hotel Facilities Hey - Let's set the record straight. All this carping about limited facilities in our conference hotel is inaccurate and grossly unfair. Our Conference Committee would not book us into a fleabag hotel! Shame on all you complainers!. This is no tiny mom-and-pop B&B. Uh-Uh!! No Way!! Nyet!! This is a Class Hostelry! It is an impressive structure, over four storeys high! It has a wide range of advanced facilities (or, as we say, "'cilities"). For example: - A genuine electric elevator for guests' convenience. Complimentary elevator service is available daily during morning and evening rush hours, and on Saturday mornings 'till noon. - A rug in the lobby. - A full-service pay telephone on every floor. This is an advanced, interactive, full-duplex system on which you can both talk and hear at the same time! - For the businessperson, a complimentary small notepad and pencil on the wall next to the pay telephone. - A sauna. Well, not actually a sauna, but a small room in the basement with a leaky steam pipe. - A meeting room at the end of each hall with a 12-inch B&W television that is provided at NO Cost. Several meeting rooms have chairs and a folding card table. - Extensive copy facilities, including a Xerox machine in the lobby (5-cents per copy) and a rotary stencil machine. - A corkboard in the lobby for businesss and personal messages. - For power lunches, there is convenient food service from several nearby pizzerias and Chinese restaurants. - No frustrating waits for Housekeeping. There is a small, fully-functional, broom closet on each floor so guests can freshen up their rooms. - Windows in all guest rooms. - Absolutely no more than two suites per bathroom/toilet. For guests' privacy and safety (always uppermost in management's mind) a door lock is tastefully integrated into each bathroom doorknob. - A genuine porcelain sink in every room, many with both cold AND hot water. Every sink includes a rubber drain stopper on a solid-brass decorator bead chain. - A genuine glass mirror over each sink. - Fringed throw rugs in every room. - Every room has a colorful hanging wall calendar, most from the current year. - Complimentary book matches and ash trays in smoking rooms; complimentary Glade air freshener in non-smoking rooms. - Extensive dining facilities feature a selection of vending machines in the lobby that provide appetizing snacks at any time of the day or night. For guests' convenience, a fully-automated change machine is located nearby. - Complimentary toilet tissue. - A complimentary micro-cake of heavily-scented soap. - A multifunction face cloth and hand towel, changed daily! - A multifunction bath towel (can be thrown on the floor for a bathmat). - BYOK facial tissue (Bring Your Own Kleenex). In keeping with the hotel's policy of thoughtful solicitude, facial tissue left by previous guests is is not removed, but is left as a convenience for the next guest. - A guest refrigerator on each floor, each with at least four ice-cube trays. As an extra convenience, small brown-paper sandwich bags are provided so that guests can mark their leftovers with their names (e.g., "Margie's pizza" or "John's lo mein." - Electric lights in every room, many with shades - An outlet for plugging in your hot plate for home-cooked meals. - A solid metal wastebasket. - A bed, complete with genuine mattress, two sheets, one blanky and TWO pillows! - For the lonely amnesiac, the bellhop can arrange for an unkempt intelllectual in horn-rimmed glasses, Birkenstocks, and a ratty sweater to come to your room and read Proust to you (see: Woody Allen's short story "The Whore of Mensa"). - A Bible, to help answer the question: "Why Me?" Bob ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 13:50:47 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Keith L Barber Subject: Duplicate messages This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD7B51.789C0460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Help! I'm getting duplicate messages, too! I received one set on May = 8th and the next set on May 9th. Has anyone figured this out, yet? Jennifer Barber keithjennifer@prodigy.net ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD7B51.789C0460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BD7B51.789C0460-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 14:23:33 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John and Kara Pekar Subject: Re: Names of Historic Houses Barbara Mullinix asked: > In a book that names a number of historic houses some houses are known > simply by the family name, such as the Miksch House or the Triebel House. > Others show a person's full name--Gottlieb Shober House--Traugott Bagge > House (presumably because there may be other Bagge or Shober houses, though > I see no sign of that in this book). > > My question is this: would you index the last two examples--under Shober > and Bagge? Or would you index them under "G" for Gottlieb and "T" for > Traugott? If you would do the latter, how would you show the whole name? > Bagge (Traugott) House? > Bagge House (Traugott)? > Bagge, Traugott, House? > > I suppose it would be the same as the Richard Montgomery Theater or Robert > F. Kennedy Stadium, but those would give me a long pause too. Barbara, I think I'd put the houses under the full name, "Gottleib Shober House," but cross-reference from "Shober (Gottlieb Shober) House." That way you've covered all your bases, especially if the Shober family is also discussed. I'd handle the theater the same way. The stadium should be listed as "Robert F. Kennedy Stadium," but cross-referenced from "RFK Stadium," since that is what it is generally known as. Kara Pekar (trying to adjust to the new Jack Kent Cooke Stadium...) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 11:31:15 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: Hotel Facilities At 01:30 PM 5/9/1998 EDT, ROBJRICH wrote: >Let's set the record straight. All this carping about limited facilities in >our conference hotel is inaccurate and grossly unfair. Our Conference >Committee would not book us into a fleabag hotel! Shame on all you >complainers!. > >This is no tiny mom-and-pop B&B. Uh-Uh!! No Way!! Nyet!! This is a Class >Hostelry! It is an impressive structure, over four storeys high! It has a >wide range of advanced facilities (or, as we say, "'cilities"). For >example: Bob, this was a welcome hilarity this morning. Thanks so much for lightening our mood! =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 15:02:28 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Bryant Subject: Flexible Time Thank you to everyone who responded to my flexible time question. Take care, Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 16:28:14 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: AllWrite N Subject: Re: Names of Historic Houses As one who lives in a multi-name house (and a student of historic architecture) I will pass on that the use of more than one name is usually because the family had more than one relative with a notable house in the area (so to differentiate which person's house it is), or there was more than one family of note with that name with a notable house in the area (distinguishes which family and member), or more than one family is being associated with the house (as in our case: Lewis Dole Scully -- the builder, and the 2 families who most influenced the house). If the house is named for and known by a specific family member -- not just using the last name -- I would list it by the name it is known with a cross to the last name, first name (or family branch with sub for which member). If it is named for multiple families, I would list it by its name and cross to the separate owners indiviually. I have also seen listings by family name and sub of "houses of" for very prominent and 'dwellingly prolific' families like the Coffins of MA, but most intersted parties would probably appreciate specific family members being listed. That's MHO anyway. Hope it helps. Nancy Noyes All Write ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 17:02:41 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marea & Jim Tumber Subject: conference hotel Thanks for the laugh. I am printing this out so my husband can read it. VERY funny. ->This is no tiny mom-and-pop B&B. Uh-Uh!! No Way!! Nyet!! This is a Class >Hostelry! It is an impressive structure, over four storeys high! It has a >wide range of advanced facilities (or, as we say, "'cilities"). For >example: > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 17:52:43 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "J. Naomi Linzer" Subject: Seinfeld? I was waiting for this to come up! Where shall we meet! >Now that we are sure that Cavanaugh's has TVs, is anyone planning to catch >the final episode of Seinfeld Thursday evening? > >I'm not a Seinfeld fan, but did plan to catch this special event. Maybe we >could have a Seinfeld party. > >Dick ******************************************************************************** J. Naomi Linzer, Humboldt County, CA Please note my new e-mail address: jnlinzer@saber.net * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "And in such indexes, although small pricks to their subsequent volumes, there is seen the baby figure of the giant mass of things to come at large." William Shakespeare: "Troulus and Cressida" ******************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 21:21:42 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11 Subject: Re: Seinfeld? Ellen? << I'm not a Seinfeld fan, but did plan to catch this special event. Maybe we >could have a Seinfeld party. >> Anybody else feeling more strongly about the Ellen finale on Wednesday? Email me privately if you want. Do Mi Stauber DStaub11@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 21:42:50 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Manjit K. Sahai" Subject: Mail Problem Fixed Hi All, My husband fixed the problem a short while ago. Apparently one of the messages on the LIST was corrupt and my Outlook Express would choke while downloading the message. Once my husband blocked the download of that message, all the remaining messages came in properly. The corrupt message was then deleted from MSN's mail server (my ISP) and I am back o track. Manjit ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 00:57:39 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Karen Lane Subject: SEATTLE: Okay for Cavanaugh's Thanks to those who reassured me (and others?) about Cavanaugh's. And a special thanks to Bob for confirming my worst fears. :-) I was thinking that the AAA book had to be wrong. Karen Lane klane@digital.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 13:18:14 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: ROBJRICH Subject: Cancer Clinical Trial Website All - This is not exactly indexing, but it is so very important to so many people that I have taken the liberty of posting it to Index-L. For your information: There is a web site for clinial trials for cancer, giving around 200 ongoing clinical trials and the points of contact. It is the M.D. Anderson Cancer Treatment Research Site. center at the University of Texas. Looks very interesting. The website is: http://www.clinicaltrials.org Bob Richardson ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 10:46:32 -0700 Reply-To: "vbirchfield@kalesis.com" Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Vicki Birchfield Organization: Kalesis Systems Subject: Seinfeld Sein-off and Kramer Hair Contest at Seattle's Paramount Theater For you Seinfeld fans, There's going to be a Seinfeld Sein-off and Kramer Hair Contest at Seattle's Paramount Theater, which is in walking distance of Cavanaugh's. It's a benefit for a children's services organization. The webpage for info is: http://seattle.sidewalk.com/detail/48209 Admission price is "pay what you can". But I expect tickets will go fast, if they are actually going to sell in advance. Paramount's box office is closed today. I won't be attending, but since it's a local call for me, I'll call tomorrow for more info and post what I find out. Vicki Birchfield Kalesis Systems vbirchfield@kalesis.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 14:21:21 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cynthia Bertelsen Subject: Chat: Busy indexers and reading for fun Hi all, As you can see, this topic skates around the edges of indexing; in other words, how do busy indexers (who usually are book lovers) deal with the need to read for fun while basically reading for a living? (The situation is similar to that of a chef who cooks for a living--is cooking in one's free time part of the picture?) I was just thinking the other day about how, in spite of indexing and professional reading all day, I still read for fun in the evenings. This type of reading is an absolute must for me; I never miss my reading "date" with myself. Reading for fun is my way of unwinding after a day with kidney pathology or other such topics. I would be interested if any of you who also do this kind of reading could share book titles (especially novels) with me? My latest "reads" (over the last few months) include: All Over But the Shoutin' (Rick Bragg) All the King's Men (Robert Penn Warren) The Book Shop (Penelope Fitzgerald) Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood (Rebecca Wells) The Love Letter (Cathleen Schine) The Magic Circle (Katherine Neville) Mendel's Dwarf (Simon Mawer) The Pilgrimage (Paulo Coehlo) William Styron: A Life (James L. W. West III) My apologies for posting this to the list. Please answer me personally at: cbertel@usit.net ***************************************** Cynthia D. Bertelsen Freelance Indexer Bertelsen Indexing Services cbertel@usit.net Web page: http://www.vt.edu:10021/B/bertel/ndx.html ***************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 15:07:41 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Norcross Subject: Re: Chat: Busy indexers and reading for fun Although I sent Cynthia a longer note off-list, I wanted to point out two indexes of interest to all you mystery fans: Detecting Women by Willetta L. Heissing Detecting Men By Willetta L. Heissing Talk about indexes! These are sets of subject-title-author-setting-character-plot indexes for mysteries. Fabulous! Both come as large paperback volumes, and you can also get small, pocket-sized checklists for taking to the library or bookstore. Terrific as gifts for yourself or for other mystery loving indexers. See descriptions here: Detecting Women 2: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0964459310/002-3295673-5697831 Detecting Men: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0964459337/002-3295673-5697831 Detecting Women 2 Pocket Guide: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0964459329/002-3295673-5697831 Detecting Men Pocket Guide: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0964459345/002-3295673-5697831 Ann ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:28:00 +0100 Reply-To: hcalvert@macrex.cix.co.uk Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Drusilla Calvert Subject: Re: Cancer Clilnical Trials Website As a cancer specialist who happens also to be involved in indexing I couldn't help noticing Bob Richardson's posting about the MD Anderson Cancer Trials page. Although the MD Anderson is a famous and excellent centre, the site deals specifically with MD Anderson trials. A more general site (for the USA at any rate) is the National Cancer Institute in Bethesda, Maryland which can be found on http://www.nci.nih.gov/ BTW: I'm **really** looking forward to Cavanaugh=92s Inn in Seattle after Bob's recommendation =85 I can hardly wait! All those towels! And soap =85 See you there! Hilary Calvert MD ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 15:50:52 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman Subject: Clinical Trial Website While we're on the subject of clinical trials .... There's a site called CenterWatch (www.centerwatch.com) that is a listing service for clinical trials in all medical disciplines and conditions. It is extensive. One of the nice features about it is that it has a notification service, allowing you to specify the medical discipline(s) or condition(s) you want notification about. Well worth checking out. Janet Perlman ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 15:40:05 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Joanne E. Clendenen" Organization: AfterWords Indexing Services Subject: Re: Business name To Kara, I think Noteworthy Indexing is great! You can only guarantee that your name isn't in use in your local county by registering it. It may still be used somewhere else in the country. If you have a copy of the ASI's indexer locator directory, you can check to see if any registrees to that have the same name. I say, go for it! Joanne -- AfterWords Indexing Services Joanne E. Clendenen email: jbclend@bigfoot.com http://www.flash.net/~jbclend ---------------- "Change: A bend in the road is not the end of the road... Unless you fail to make the turn." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 00:22:38 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Airport to Inn? Anyone know how the distance from the Seattle airport to Cavanaugh's? Dick ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 00:41:12 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: WOODPILE42 Subject: Re: Airport to Inn? The distance from Sea-Tac International to Cavanaugh's Inn is about 15 miles. Except for a few blocks of downtown, it is all freeway. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:23:15 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey and Glenda Browne Subject: Re: locator formatting In-Reply-To: <04080045320961@domain1.bigpond.com> Hi, Just by chance today I was using the AGPS Style Manual, which is organised by paragraphs. In the index they use paragraph ranges where possible and add 'p.' to locators which refer to page numbers. Works pretty well I think. Glenda. > > Help! I need suggestions for handling locator formatting for an > index to a > 500-page book where most of the locators are to chapter and > paragraph number > (e.g., 2.35 referring to chapter 2, paragraph 35) but which has some > references to a straight page number (e.g., 15) or a box or a figure that > doesn't fit into the paragraph numbering scheme. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:00:58 +0000 Reply-To: nacms@flyernet.udayton.edu Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: Authenticated sender is From: North American Center for Marianist Studies Organization: North American Center for Marianist Studies Subject: Re: A Living Index Please remove us from this distribution list. Thank you. Carolyn Perez Dan Jordan NACMS North American Center for Marianist Studies (NACMS) Mount Saint John 4435 East Patterson Road Dayton, Ohio 45430-1083 (937) 429-2521 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:23:05 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Melinda Davis Organization: Univ. of Tennessee College of Law Subject: Re: Seattle Mystery Bookstore & "Detecting" guides I'll second Ann's comments about these titles--they're great--my copies are already packed. Is anyone interested in going to the Seattle Mystery Bookstore on Tuesday afternoon (tomorrow)? Leave me a message at Cavanaugh's or on the message board (if it's up and running). Melinda Davis > Detecting Women > by Willetta L. Heissing > > Detecting Men > By Willetta L. Heissing > > Talk about indexes! These > are sets of subject-title-author-setting-character-plot indexes for > mysteries. Fabulous! Both come as large paperback volumes, and you > can also get small, pocket-sized checklists for taking to the library > or bookstore. Terrific as gifts for yourself or for other mystery > loving indexers. > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 08:35:59 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Weiss Subject: Job opening Description: Multimedia tax publisher in Virginia has an opening for an indexer. This position involves: (a) creation of indexes for printed periodicals, (b) participation on the Thesaurus Oversight Committee, which prepares quarterly or semi-annual updates of the Tax Thesaurus, and (c) compiling, editing, and proofreading new editions of the Tax Thesaurus, incorporating decisions of the Thesaurus Committee. The selected candidate must have the ability to organize tasks and work independently. Requirements:Requirements include BA degree (MLS helpful) and experience with word processing programs, CD-ROM, and Internet. Experience with indexing and thesaurus management software highly desirable. Contact:Please respond with cover letter, resume, and salary requirements to: Tax Analysts, 6830 N. Fairfax Drive, Arlington, VA 22213, or FAX to 703-533-4619. Resumes may be sent by e-mail to HR @ TAX.ORG. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:38:56 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marlene London Subject: Mulri-Author Book The first three chapters of the book I'm indexing are written by each of three different authors. The remaining chapters are all by the same author. But because those remaining chapters were originally published as individual scholarly papers, the name of the author is at the beginning of each and every chapter. Should I assign a locator to just the first page of each chapter where the author's name appears, or make the locators inclusive of the entire chapter? Thanks for a quick response! Marlene London Profindex@worldnet.att.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:32:22 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: locator formatting We do most of our indexing to publications that have locators other than page numbers, so I can sympathize! Why not indicate the stray page references by using a "p." or "pp." abbreviation in the reference? Therefore, the examples you gave would look like this: > Drug abuse, 1.25-1.26 > Easy gainers > genetics in, 1.19; pp. 12-13. > prevalence of, p. 13. > training and, 2.9 > Maintenance training, p.73, illus. (or box or whatever). > This seems pretty straightforward, and shouldn't unduly confuse the reader. It would be nice if the author had been consistent and assigned figure numbers that corresponded with the chapter numbers. For the record, I understand his wanting to do it that way if this is a volume that will be periodically updated or for which a supplement will be printed. References to pages are a real pain to update in a supplement or in a subsequent edition. By using references to paragraph numbers, you can salvage a lot of the previous index. One suggestion, however: If he insists on using the chapter/paragraph citation, he should see to it that the book has running heads that keep the chapter/paragraph number at the tops of the pages. Makes it much easier for the user to locate information. Good luck! -- Sharon W. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:37:03 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: locator formatting I wouldn't do that. If he expects the primary references to be to the paragraph number scheme, I doubt that he will appreciate that scheme appearing as a secondary, not primary reference. Besides, there is no need for the page reference. Admittedly, this type of scheme doesn't allow for quite as precise index entries in that the reference may cover 2 or 4 or 10 pages, but there are good reasons for using it, and besides, obviously the author doesn't mind that level of imprecision. Ignoring the author's instructions could cost you future work with that client and possibly others who feel the same way. I'd be careful. Just my 2 cents... -- Sharon W. > -----Original Message----- > From: CGWeaver [SMTP:CGWeaver@AOL.COM] > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 1998 11:44 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: locator formatting > > In a message dated 98-05-09 10:29:02 EDT, you write: > > << If that's the case, I would argue for just > having page numbers in the index and not even messing with the > chapter/paragraph numbering scheme. The client will still have his > numbering scheme throughout the chapters, but the index will be > clearer and much easier to read. >> > > The client (who is the author as well as the publisher) is adamant; the > chapter/paragraph number MUST be used in the index; he even refers to it > that > way in the introduction. And there is a LOT more material that falls > outside > the chapter/paragraph scheme than I was led to believe before I got the > material. > So what I've decided to counter that we use the page numbers thruout in > addition to the chapter.paragraph [e.g., 48(2.35-2.37). Problem is that > there > are also size limits on the index; and I agree it's much clearer if you > skip > the chapter/paragraph entirely. > > Carolyn ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:16:27 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: CGWeaver Subject: Re: Airport to Inn? In a message dated 98-05-11 00:23:52 EDT, you write: << Anyone know how the distance from the Seattle airport to Cavanaugh's? Dick >> In driving time, it's about 30-40 minutes assuming no major traffic bottlenecks. Carolyn Weaver Bellevue, WA. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 08:20:36 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jan C. Wright" Subject: Re: Airport to Inn? In-Reply-To: <199805110423.AAA02795@camel23.mindspring.com> It's about half an hour on the interstate, when traffic is medium. It could take 20 minutes if you have clear roads, an hour if there's a traffic back up. I'm not sure what the actual distance is. At 12:22 AM 5/11/98 -0400, you wrote: >Anyone know how the distance from the Seattle airport to Cavanaugh's? > >Dick > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:25:56 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Schultz, Darrel" Subject: Re: locator formatting I'm very new to indexing, but I noticed that the Chicago Manual of Style is indexed using the chapter/paragraph scheme that your client wants. Since it also includes several figures and tables, you might look to see how they did it. In short, the regular locators are in the "2.35" format, but table and figure locators also include a page reference in parentheses. > -----Original Message----- > From: CGWeaver [SMTP:CGWeaver@AOL.COM] > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 1998 7:32 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: locator formatting > > Help! I need suggestions for handling locator formatting for an index to > a > 500-page book where most of the locators are to chapter and paragraph > number > (e.g., 2.35 referring to chapter 2, paragraph 35) but which has some > references to a straight page number (e.g., 15) or a box or a figure that > doesn't fit into the paragraph numbering scheme. I've suggested to the > client > using boldface for page numbers and italic for the box or figure indicator > (with an explanatory headnote); but he doesn't like this. (I do NOT like > the > chapter/paragraph numbering, btw -- it's what the client wants and he's > committed to it.) Following is an example of what I've used thus far (the > \b--\B indicates bold; \i---|I indicates italic): > > Drug abuse, 1.25-1.26 > Easy gainers > genetics in, 1.19, \b12-13\B > prevalence of, \b13\B > training and, 2.9 > Maintenance training, \b73\B \ibox\I > > Short of adding the page number to EVERY reference, I can't figure out any > way > to avoid using style formatting in the locators and avoid confusing the > users. > I can't see using 13 (unadorned) to refer to a page number and later using > 13.xx as a chapter number. My other complication is that this client is > in > Europe; so all the negotiation for this index is being done by email and > fax. > > Suggestions, please! > > Carolyn Weaver > Bellevue, WA ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:30:21 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: ABell9086 Subject: Re: Names of Historic Houses Hi I happended upon your email and thought that you might help me ... I've just renovated a home here in Maine in the "craftsman" ... "arts & crafts" style and I am now looking for books on furniture/furnishings of the same style/period. Any ideas? Thanks, Art Bell ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:07:59 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Roberta Horowitz Subject: Re: Cancer Clinical Trial Website If this is an area of interest, you might want to check out the site for the National Cancer Institute which gives you ask to PDQ which is the database of clinical trials run by the National Cancer Institute (which is part of the National Institutes of Health). Other cancer information is also available from here. http://cancernet.nci.nih.gov/ Roberta Horowitz At 01:18 PM 5/10/98 EDT, you wrote: >All - > >This is not exactly indexing, but it is so very important to so many people >that I have taken the liberty of posting it to Index-L. For your >information: > >There is a web site for clinial trials for cancer, giving around 200 ongoing >clinical trials and the points of contact. It is the M.D. Anderson Cancer >Treatment Research Site. center at the University of Texas. Looks very >interesting. > >The website is: http://www.clinicaltrials.org > >Bob Richardson > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:07:41 -0700 Reply-To: "vbirchfield@kalesis.com" Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Vicki Birchfield Organization: Kalesis Systems Subject: Seinfeld Sein-Off at Paramount Theater http://seattle.sidewalk.com/detail/48209 Tickets are available through Ticketmaster. I couldn't get through to the Box Office (voice mail jail), but they are probably also available at the walk-up window, open from 10-6 M-F. (suggested donation: $20 for floor seating, which benefits the Variety Club Children's Charities). The Paramount's a gorgeous, recently remodeled 1920's theater. But at a price tag of $20, a party in somebody's hotel room sounds mighty attractive! Hope you enjoy the show, wherever you see it. Vicki Birchfield Kalesis Systems vbirchfield@kalesis.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:35:21 -0700 Reply-To: jthomas3@csulb.edu Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Joy Thomas Organization: California State University Long Beach, Library Subject: Re: Seinfeld? Ellen? Yes, Do Mi, I feel more strongly about the Ellen finale & feel no need to e-mail you privately to say so. -- Joy Thomas Social Sciences Librarian California State University, Long Beach 562 985-7817 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:39:10 -0700 Reply-To: jthomas3@csulb.edu Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Joy Thomas Organization: California State University Long Beach, Library Subject: Re: SEATTLE: Okay for Cavanaugh's Actually, I believe (without my AAA guide in hand, I'm not swearing to this) that there is more than one Cavanaugh's in Seattle. We have, as Bob pointed out, the more upscale Cavanaugh's. ;-) -- Joy Thomas Social Sciences Librarian California State University, Long Beach 562 985-7817 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 09:47:47 -0700 Reply-To: jthomas3@csulb.edu Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Joy Thomas Organization: California State University Long Beach, Library Subject: Re: Airport to Inn? > Like many airports, SeaTac is also served by Shuttle Express. Tel. > 1-800-487-RIDE (7433); a bit more expensive than the bus. > And they have a web site where there's more info: > http://www.shuttleexpress.com/shuttleexpress/seattle.html > > Gray Line buses also do the SeaTac to downtown service: Phone: (800)426-7532 > > Metro bus info: Phone: (206)553-3000 > > General info for the airport: http://www.quickaid.com/airports/sea/ > > David Billick > Microsoft Start Reviewed Sites Database Program Manager -- Joy Thomas Social Sciences Librarian California State University, Long Beach 562 985-7817 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:47:59 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11 Subject: Re: Mulri-Author Book In a message dated 98-05-11 09:40:51 EDT, you write: << The first three chapters of the book I'm indexing are written by each of three different authors. The remaining chapters are all by the same author. But because those remaining chapters were originally published as individual scholarly papers, the name of the author is at the beginning of each and every chapter. Should I assign a locator to just the first page of each chapter where the author's name appears, or make the locators inclusive of the entire chapter? >> I never index the authors of chapters in a multiauthor book, unless specifically required to do so by the editor. It's not common practice. The logic? It would be like indexing the author of a single-author book for the whole book. Do Mi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:57:51 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was maryann@ITASCA.REVISOR.LEG.STATE.MN.US From: Maryann Corbett Organization: Revisor of Statutes Subject: educational resources for indexers roundtable To those of you who are registered for the roundtable on educational resources for indexers at the ASI annual meeting this weekend: As moderator, I can think of far too many ways to organize this discussion. Would you please send me a private message to let me know what is of most interest to you? My address is maryann.corbett@revisor.leg.state.mn.us -- Maryann Corbett Language Specialist Office of the Revisor of Statutes Minnesota Legislature 612-297-2952 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:19:21 -0700 Reply-To: Bonny.McLaughlin@cgu.edu Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Bonny McLaughlin Organization: cgs.edu Subject: Indexing Workshop in Santa Barbara in July ASI-SoCal invites you to attend a professional development seminar. . . Facing the Text Content Analysis and Entry Selection in Social Sciences and Humanities An Indexing Workshop by Do Mi Stauber July 25, 1998 9:00 TO 5:30 Radisson Hotel 1111 East Cabrillo Blvd. Santa Barbara, California 1-800-643-1994 The Southern California chapter is sponsoring this workshop for those interested in honing their indexing skills. The cost of the day, including a substantial continental breakfast, a luncheon buffet, and all workbook materials, will be only $50 to non-ASI members, and a mere $40 to members . . . a very-much-below-cost fee thanks to generous underwriting from ASI and the SoCal Chapter. Do Mi Stauber, who is traveling from Oregon to Santa Barbara for the occasion, has been a full-time back-of-book indexer for the past eleven years. She managed Twin Oaks Indexing Collective for two years, supervising and training a group of indexers. She indexes scholarly books, textbooks, and government documents in all of the social sciences and humanities. She is the chair of the Wilson Award judges panel, and is the author of "Jewels in the Cavern: The Special Challenge of Scholarly Indexing." This participatory workshop, focusing on the practical processes of indexing, will be a repeat of her very popular one to be given at the May annual meeting in Seattle --- perfect as a "make-up" session for those who are not planning to go to Seattle, or who are unable to squeeze Do Mi's workshop into their schedules while there. Do Mi will survey the steps that indexers follow as we interpret texts and create index structures, using examples and hands-on exercises from a range of real texts and indexes. This workshop covers back-of-book indexing of both scholarly books and textbooks in the social sciences and humanities. It is not a basic introduction to indexing, but novices as well as experienced indexers should benefit. Among subjects to be discussed are: main topics, indexable topics, index structure, subheads, cross references, and wording. The schedule for the day is as follows: 9:00 to 9:30 for registration, a substantial continental breakfast that will include fruit, baked goods, juices, yogurt, and granola, and get-acquainted time. (We chose a late starting time to allow extra time for those of you who will be driving in that morning.) 9:30 to 1:00 (or so) class (with one break at a convenient stopping place, when coffee and tea will be available) 1:00 to 2:00 buffet luncheon (included in registration fee) 2:00 to 5:30 (or so) class (with one break at a convenient stopping place, when cold beverages will be available) If you are interested in attending, please print out this message, cut off the registration form that follows, and mail it, with your check for $50 for non- ASI members, or $40 for members, payable to ASI-SoCal, to: Anne Leach 78240 Bonanza Drive Palm Desert, CA 92211 760-360-1432 Fax: 760-360-2109 anneleach@aol.com If you will want to stay overnight in Santa Barbara, there are (rather pricey) rooms available at the Radisson; call 1-800-643-1994 for reservations and price information. The Radisson also operates an adjunct hotel only a block awar from the meeting room, that is less luxurious and less expensive. Call the same 800 number given above, and ask for the Parkside Inn. If you would like to receive information on other hotels in the area, please so indicate on your conference sign-up form below. We will try to accommodate those of you who would like to share room expenses with another registrant. We'll act as a sort of "Roomie Wanted" bulletin board, so if you're in the market to share a room, so indicate on your sign-up form and we'll try to create an e-mail roundabout. Thanks very much. We hope to see you in Santa Barbara. ****************************************************************************** * SANTA BARBARA INDEXING WORKSHOP REGISTRATION FORM (Please print out this form, fill it in, write your check, and snail mail it all to Anne Leach, 78240 Bonanza Drive, Palm Desert, CA 92211.) Please register ___ persons to attend the Indexing Workshop in Santa Barbara on July 25, 1998. I enclose my check for $40 for each ASI member ($50 each for non-members), payable to ASI-SoCal. Name(s) ________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________ Address: ________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________ Phone ________________________E-mail_____________________ Yes / No: I wish my name and e-mail address to appear in the list of conference registrants. Yes / No: I would like to receive information on hotels in the area. Yes / No: I would like to hear via e-mail from other conferees who might like to share room expenses. In order to help Do Mi Stauber focus her presentation to the audience, please answer the following questions: How long have you been indexing? _________________________ What type of materials do you index? _______________________ ______________________________________________________ What are your main areas/subjects of expertise? _____________ ______________________________________________________ ****************************************************************************** ** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:51:12 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Suellen Kasoff Subject: Re: Job opening Once again, is this something you could do at home? Suellen On Mon, 11 May 1998 08:35:59 -0400 Susan Weiss writes: >Description: Multimedia tax publisher in Virginia has an opening for >an >indexer. This position involves: (a) creation of indexes for printed >periodicals, (b) participation on the Thesaurus Oversight Committee, >which >prepares quarterly or semi-annual updates of the Tax Thesaurus, and >(c) >compiling, editing, and proofreading new editions of the Tax >Thesaurus, >incorporating decisions of the Thesaurus Committee. The selected >candidate >must have the ability to organize tasks and work independently. > >Requirements:Requirements include BA degree (MLS helpful) and >experience >with word >processing programs, CD-ROM, and Internet. Experience with indexing >and >thesaurus >management software highly desirable. > >Contact:Please respond with cover letter, resume, and salary >requirements >to: Tax >Analysts, 6830 N. Fairfax Drive, Arlington, VA 22213, or FAX to >703-533-4619. >Resumes may be sent by e-mail to HR @ TAX.ORG. > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:54:29 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Re: Chat: Busy indexers and reading for fun I may be the incorrect gender, but I've been locating women detective writers as well. My source has been a paperback entitled, possibly, "By a Woman's Hand" or "In Her Own Write". [Us men have poor memories.] This book also has cross-references by detective type, name, etc. Cheers, Dave Talcott ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 04:27:58 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cynthia Bertelsen Subject: Proofreaders needed Hello all, Astrid Virding of Sage Publications has asked me to post the following message. Please reply to her at: "ASTRID_VIRDING" Cynthia, We need proofreaders who know APA (Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association). We are particularly interested in adding to our list proofreaders who know linguistics, math, and medical terminology. Thanks, Astrid ***************************************** Cynthia D. Bertelsen Freelance Indexer Bertelsen Indexing Services cbertel@usit.net Web page: http://www.vt.edu:10021/B/bertel/ndx.html ***************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:00:59 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Weiss Subject: Job opening Please send any inquiries about the job described below to HR @ TAX.ORG or to SWEISS @ TAX.ORG. Do not send inquiries to the listserv. ---------------------- Forwarded by Susan Weiss/TA Staff/Internal/Tax Analysts/US on 05/12/98 07:58 AM --------------------------- Susan Weiss 05/11/98 08:35 AM To: index-l@bingvmb.cc.binghamton.edu cc: Subject: Job opening Description: Multimedia tax publisher in Virginia has an opening for an indexer. This position involves: (a) creation of indexes for printed periodicals, (b) participation on the Thesaurus Oversight Committee, which prepares quarterly or semi-annual updates of the Tax Thesaurus, and (c) compiling, editing, and proofreading new editions of the Tax Thesaurus, incorporating decisions of the Thesaurus Committee. The selected candidate must have the ability to organize tasks and work independently. Requirements:Requirements include BA degree (MLS helpful) and experience with word processing programs, CD-ROM, and Internet. Experience with indexing and thesaurus management software highly desirable. Contact:Please respond with cover letter, resume, and salary requirements to: Tax Analysts, 6830 N. Fairfax Drive, Arlington, VA 22213, or FAX to 703-533-4619. Resumes may be sent by e-mail to HR @ TAX.ORG. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:33:21 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barbara Mullinix Subject: Computer Haiku Those of us who are left behind may need a little amusement right now. I know I do. A friend sent this to me a few days ago; only a few words have been changed: Imagine if, instead of incomprehensible geeky text strings, your computer produced error messages in Haiku : A file that big? It might be very useful. But now it is gone. * * * * * The Web site you seek cannot be located. But endless others exist. * * * * * Chaos reigns within. Reflect, repent, and reboot. Order shall return. * * * * * Aborted effort. Close all that you have. You ask far too much. * * * * * First snow, then silence. This thousand dollar screen dies so beautifully. * * * * * With searching comes loss and the presence of absence: "My Index" not found. * * * * * The Tao that is seen Is not the true Tao, until You bring fresh toner. * * * * * Windows NT crashed. I am the Blue Screen of Death. No one hears your screams. * * * * * Stay the patient course. Of little worth is your ire: The network is down. * * * * * A crash reduces your expensive computer to a simple stone. * * * * * Yesterday it worked. Today it is not working. Windows is like that. * * * * * Three things are certain: Death, taxes, and lost data. Guess which has occurred. * * * * * You step in the stream, but the water has moved on. This index is not here. * * * * * Out of memory. We wish to hold the whole sky, But we never will. * * * * * Having been erased, The index you're seeking Must now be re-entered. * * * * * Rather than a beep Or a rude error message, These words: "File not found." * * * * * Serious error. All shortcuts have disappeared. Screen. Mind. Both are blank. Barbara Mullinix Beeline Index Writing Service Emmitsburg, MD ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:02:40 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Brackney Subject: Re: locator formatting At 10:32 AM 5/11/98 -0400, Wright, Sharon F. wrote: >. . . Why not indicate the stray page references by using a "p." or "pp." abbreviation >in the reference? . . . the examples you gave would look like this: > >> Drug abuse, 1.25-1.26 >> Easy gainers >> genetics in, 1.19; pp. 12-13. >> prevalence of, p. 13. >> training and, 2.9 >> Maintenance training, p.73, illus. (or box or whatever). If there are only a few "straight page numbers" in the index, this sounds like a workable solution, though I don't see why these locators should be listed separately after chapter number--paragraph number locators (after the semicolon, above), and though "illus." (or "fig" or "box") should be placed directly after such numbers as an annotation. If there are lots of such locators, and if space is a limitation, as in the book Carolyn is working on, I'm thinking that a simpler annotated format like "73fig" might be enough and might even be better. It would work well too, presumably, for the other "straight page number" entries if there were some other annotation that fit _them_. Even if the other "straight page numbers" have to be plain and unannotated, however, I think they'd probably fit in fine with the annotated and the chapter number--paragraph number locators if they all were arranged together in the order of their appearance, as in, say, "3.29, 17, 18fig, 3.33". This could be accomplished by force-sorting the "straight page numbers" in locator strings (such as "~3.31~{18fig}" in Macrex) that you could enter with the help of a macro or two. The method of indexing figures used in CMS14 -- "fig. 3.1" (meaning "the first figure in Chapter 3") placed at the end of the locator string in which it occurs -- seems to me like a very poor method since it puts the locators at the ends of locator strings no matter where the figures occur in the book, and because it forces readers to thumb through numbers of pages sometimes in order to find the figures. I'd like to hear more from anyone with experience or other ideas on this topic. Michael P.S. Sharon also added: >. . . Admittedly, this type of scheme doesn't allow for quite as precise index entries >in that the reference may cover 2 or 4 or 10 pages. . . . Yes -- not as precise in a way, in that the reader cannot readily judge the length of the range in pages, but also No -- much more precise in that the start and end points on the first and last pages are specified. Brackney Indexing Service 134 Kathleen Way Grass Valley, CA 95945 530-272-7088 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:02:53 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Brackney Subject: Re: Multi-Author Book At 12:47 PM 5/11/98 EDT, DStaub11 wrote: >In a message dated 98-05-11 09:40:51 EDT, Marlene London wrote: > ><< The first three chapters of the book I'm indexing are written by each of > three different authors. The remaining chapters are all by the same > author. But because those remaining chapters were originally published as > individual scholarly papers, the name of the author is at the beginning of > each and every chapter. > > Should I assign a locator to just the first page of each chapter where the > author's name appears, or make the locators inclusive of the entire > chapter? >> > > >I never index the authors of chapters in a multiauthor book, unless >specifically required to do so by the editor. It's not common practice. The >logic? It would be like indexing the author of a single-author book for the >whole book. I prefer to index the authors of chapters in a multiauthor book: as soon as there's more than one author there's a question of whose work is where, and although this is set out clearly in the TOC it can be useful in the index too. When indexing the authors of passages of any length I include a subheading that reads "on such and such", followed by the complete page range so that there's no suggestion that the entry may refer to the author herself/himself, and so that the reader can tell what the entry _is_ about. Michael Brackney Brackney Indexing Service 134 Kathleen Way Grass Valley, CA 95945 530-272-7088 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:19:06 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: locator formatting Michael's solution is a good one, but I think that force-sorting the references so that they appear in order of occurrence is going to be a time-consuming hassle, since there is no built-in indication of which page ranges that each chapter/paragraph number cite covers (again, I would definitely NOT include the page numbers with the chapter/paragraph number cites). Also, if the purpose of using the chap/para# references is to facilitate future supplements or updates, that utility may be lost since adding or extending numbered paragraphs may change the sort order. We do a lot of mixed references in the course of our production since our code indexes cover statute, court rule and constitutional references. We handle these mixed references by separating each reference type with a semicolon, but that's just a stylistic choice that we made long ago and stuck with. It is certainly only one of many possible solutions! :-) -- Sharon W. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Brackney [SMTP:brackney@NCCN.NET] > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 1998 2:03 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: locator formatting > > At 10:32 AM 5/11/98 -0400, Wright, Sharon F. wrote: > >. . . Why not indicate the stray page references by using a "p." or "pp." > abbreviation >in the reference? . . . the examples you gave would look > like > this: > > > >> Drug abuse, 1.25-1.26 > >> Easy gainers > >> genetics in, 1.19; pp. 12-13. > >> prevalence of, p. 13. > >> training and, 2.9 > >> Maintenance training, p.73, illus. (or box or whatever). > > If there are only a few "straight page numbers" in the index, this sounds > like a workable solution, though I don't see why these locators should be > listed separately after chapter number--paragraph number locators (after > the > semicolon, above), and though "illus." (or "fig" or "box") should be > placed > directly after such numbers as an annotation. > > If there are lots of such locators, and if space is a limitation, as in > the > book Carolyn is working on, I'm thinking that a simpler annotated format > like "73fig" might be enough and might even be better. It would work well > too, presumably, for the other "straight page number" entries if there > were > some other annotation that fit _them_. > > Even if the other "straight page numbers" have to be plain and > unannotated, > however, I think they'd probably fit in fine with the annotated and the > chapter number--paragraph number locators if they all were arranged > together > in the order of their appearance, as in, say, "3.29, 17, 18fig, 3.33". > This > could be accomplished by force-sorting the "straight page numbers" in > locator strings (such as "~3.31~{18fig}" in Macrex) that you could enter > with the help of a macro or two. > > The method of indexing figures used in CMS14 -- "fig. 3.1" (meaning "the > first figure in Chapter 3") placed at the end of the locator string in > which > it occurs -- seems to me like a very poor method since it puts the > locators > at the ends of locator strings no matter where the figures occur in the > book, and because it forces readers to thumb through numbers of pages > sometimes in order to find the figures. > > I'd like to hear more from anyone with experience or other ideas on this > topic. > > Michael > > P.S. Sharon also added: > >. . . Admittedly, this type of scheme doesn't allow for quite as precise > index entries >in that the reference may cover 2 or 4 or 10 pages. . . . > > Yes -- not as precise in a way, in that the reader cannot readily judge > the > length of the range in pages, but also No -- much more precise in that the > start and end points on the first and last pages are specified. > > > Brackney Indexing Service > 134 Kathleen Way > Grass Valley, CA 95945 > 530-272-7088 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:18:20 -0700 Reply-To: Bonny.McLaughlin@cgu.edu Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Bonny McLaughlin Organization: cgs.edu Subject: Re: Computer Haiku This is wonderful--so much more soothing than FATAL ERROR!! ABORT! RETRY! IGNORE! Thanks, Barbara. We who are left behind do need some cheer. It's going to be a quiet five days. Bonny ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:52:28 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Linda Sutherland Subject: Re: Computer Haiku That's a brilliant diversion, Barbara! Did your friend write them? If so, I think she should offer to sell them to Bill Gates! -- Linda Sutherland linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:46:19 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: SMWilkersn Subject: Re: apology from detractors of my efforts at AusSI How new is web indexing...? I was under the impression that it had been around as long time. How I got that I don't know. Susan ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:41:36 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Linda Sloan Subject: Re: apology from detractors of my efforts at AusSI I would hazard a guess as perhaps 2 to 3 years that practical web indexing has been discussed and implemented. Two years ago was the first Web indexing contest sponsored by the Ausi group. You wrote: > >How new is web indexing...? I was under the impression that it had been >around as long time. How I got that I don't know. > >Susan > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:19:57 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: BethJT Subject: Re: Computer Haiku Wonderful!!!!! Beth ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 07:24:44 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jnich851 Subject: Computer haiku These were submitted by various people to Salon magazine as part of a contest. You can find the complete list, with attributions, at www.salon1999.com, along with results of other contests (and lots of other stuff). ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:28:29 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Eileen Allen Subject: need help - editing In-Reply-To: <199805131121.HAA02627@snapdragon.textwise.com> Hi all, This is addressed to those of you who also work as editors/proofreaders. I have just been asked to edit a co-worker's dissertation. While I have done a fair amount of editing on the job, I have never before been hired to edit. I have always charged by the page for my indexing work, but I do not know how this would translate to editing work. Can someone tell me how fees are typically charged for editing, and what those fees would generally be? I don't want to undersell myself, nor do I want to overcharge. Is there a site that would be useful for me as I dive into this project? Thanks in advance, Eileen E. Allen ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:56:51 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cynthia Bertelsen Subject: Chat: Summary of Indexers' Off-Hours Reading (long) Hello all, First of all, "thank you" to everyone who sent in their current and/or favorite "reads" and/or author names. Forgive me for not answering everyone personally; I REALLY appreciated the sharing! To answer a couple of questions about the books on my list (The Love Letter and The Magic Circle): The Love Letter is about a 40ish very unconventional bookstore owner who has an interesting affair. The Magic Circle is by the author of The Eight, but the novel is not as well done as The Eight, to put it mildly. The trend in indexers' reading seems to lean primarily toward mystery fiction (the puzzle-solving syndrome, like puzzling out an index?). Many indexers said they don't have the time to read for pleasure at all, but other die-hard reading addicts said they would miss sleep just to be able to read for fun. In the list below, I have arranged the suggested books/authors alphabetically by author, within genres. Titles are given before an author's name where a title was suggested for a particular author. At the end of the following list is a section on Reading Lists (indexes!) for some different genres; here you will find long annotated lists of books, often arranged by some special criteria like time period or whatever. If you did not share your current or favorite "reads", I still would like to hear from you. Thanks again to everyone who shared their favorites! FANTASY: Darkover novels (author: Marion Zimmer Bradley) David Eddings Madeleine L'Engle Raymond Feist Valdemar/Velgarth novels (author: Mercedes Lackey) Pern series (author: Anne McCaffery) GENERAL POPULAR FICTION: Underworld (author: Don Dellilo) Cold Mountain (author: Charles Frazier) Mazal (author: Rebecca Goldstein) Rumer Godden Elizabeth Goudge (especially Green Dolphin Street) A Confederate in the Attic (author: Tony Horowitz) Penelope Lively Rosamund Pilcher (especially Coming Home) Chaim Potok Mary Renault Mrs. Dalloway (author: Virginia Woolf) HISTORICAL FICTION: The Lymond Chronicles (author: Dorothy Dunnet) Aubrey-Maturin series (author: Patrick O'Brian) Mason & Dixon (author: Thomas Pynchon) HORROR: The Dead School (author: Frank McCabe) HUMOR: P.G. Wodehouse (Jeeves and Bertie Wooster stories) "The Cat Who..." series (author: Lilian Jackson Braun) MYSTERIES: Catherine Aird Lawrence Block Amanda Cross Deadline (author: John Dunning; also Bookman's Wake and Booked to Die) Aaron Elkins Dick Francis (mentioned more than once) Roy Hart Ellis Peters (Brother Cadfael series and contemporary works, too) Dorothy Sayers (especially Lord Peter Wimsey series) (mentioned more than once) Nero Wolfe series (author: Rex Stout) Dorothy Simpson NON-FICTION: Undaunted Courage (author: Stephen Ambrose) Wallace Stegner (author: Jackson Benton) The IRA (author: Tim Pat Coogan) In the Palm of Your Hand (author: Steve Kowit, about writing) Angela's Ashes (author: Frank McCourt) Tidewater Morning (author: William Styron) SCIENCE FICTION: Foundation series (author: Asimov) Eon (author: Greg Bear) Ender's Game (author: Orson Scott Card) Stardance novels (author: Spider Robinson) READING LISTS (indexes, actually!): 500 Great Books by Women: A Reader's Guide (author: Erica Bauermeister et al.) Deadly Women: The Woman Mystery Reader's Indispensable Companion (editor: Jan Grape) Detecting Women (author: Willetta L. Heising) Detecting Men (author: Willetta L. Heising) The Traveler's Reading Guide (author: Maggy Simon) The Armchair Detective Book of Lists (author: Kate Stine) By a Woman's Hand (author: Jean Swanson and Dean James) (mysteries) ***************************************** Cynthia D. Bertelsen Freelance Indexer Bertelsen Indexing Services cbertel@usit.net Web page: http://www.vt.edu:10021/B/bertel/ndx.html ***************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:12:44 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Linda Sutherland Subject: Re: apology from detractors of my efforts at AusSI The message <199805130056.BAA20441@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> from SMWilkersn contains these words: > How new is web indexing...? I was under the impression that it had been > around as long time. How I got that I don't know. Depends what you mean by a "long time". Librarians have been discussing organisation of/access to information on the Web ever since the Internet became a widely-available resource, which I'd guess implies something like ten years or more (though doing, as opposed to discussing, may have started later). Since many indexers, like myself, also have a foot in the librarians' camp, I imagine that indexers would have been aware of this discussion. But my impression (open to correction!) is that active involvement by back-of-the-book indexers is fairly recent. Many libraries' sites - and indeed all sites which consist of links to other sites - could be described as indexes, in the sense of organised lists of pointers to other resources on the Net. But, as I discovered by reading earlier threads here, there seems to be no clear consensus about what Web indexing is - whether it means indexing the content of one site, providing URLs to a number of sites, indexing online texts, or some combination of all of these. That uncertainty in itself suggests to me that we're still in the early stages! -- Linda Sutherland linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:12:55 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cynthia Bertelsen Subject: Chat: Addendum to Indexers' Reading The following GENERAL FICTION titles were omitted in my previous message: Strange Angels (author: Joni Agee) A Long Fatal Love Chase (author: Louisa May Alcott, posthumously published) Debt to Pleasure (author: John Lanchester) Barbara Kingsolver ***************************************** Cynthia D. Bertelsen Freelance Indexer Bertelsen Indexing Services cbertel@usit.net Web page: http://www.vt.edu:10021/B/bertel/ndx.html ***************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:36:09 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: TAHUDOBA Subject: Re: need help - editing Hi Eileen I, too, do editing and proofreading as well as indexing. I charge the same for a normal copyedit as I do for indexing. ("Normal" defined as a read-through for sense, spelling, punctuation, and grammer.) If more than that is required--ask for more! I also estimate my time at the same rate as for indexing (e.g. 10 pgs/hr indexing; 10 pgs/hr editing). Good luck-- Terri ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Teresa A. Hudoba Indexers Plus: Indexing, Editing, and Other Useful Services tahudoba@aol.com (612) 936-0317 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Reality is for those who have no imagination. (bumper sticker) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 98-05-13 08:29:57 EDT, Eileen Allen wrote: <> ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:04:09 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: CGWeaver Subject: Re: need help - editing Writer's Market lists average rates for various writing-related tasks. The 1997 edition shows $10-$50/hr or $2-$7/page for "Editing for individual clients" under the category EDUCATIONAL & LITERARY SERVICES. Under BOOK PUBLISHING, Copyediting is $16-$40/hr or $2-$4/pg. Proofreading is $12-$30/hr or $1.50-$3.50 per page. Under the same category, Indexing is listed at $20-$40/hr or $2-$6 per indexable page. So since the indexing rates seem to be in the ballpark, I'm guessing the copyediting rates are also realistic. There are extensive caveats for each rate quoted, BTW (type of material, etc.). Carolyn Weaver Bellevue, WA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:40:27 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dawn Hunter Subject: need help - editing -----Original Message----- Date: May 13, 1998 9:58 AM Subject: Re: need help - editing > < done a fair amount of editing on the job, I have never before been hired > to edit. I have always charged by the page for my indexing work, but I do > not know how this would translate to editing work. You need to establish what "editing" it is: substantive? copy editing? proofreading? more? Each is priced and estimated differently. Base your estimate on a page having no more than 250 words (that's standard type, one-inch margins, and double-spaced.), so ask how many words it is, not how many pages it is. For copy editing, a good estimate is 1250 words/hr. For proofreading, it's 1500 words/hour. This will should give you a good estimate, assuming a standard amount of editing needs to be done. A heavier edit will take longer; a lighter edit will be shorter. Prices are up to you. I am in Canada, and the prices might be different where you are, but you can e-mail privately for that, if you want. If you want information on what kinds of editing there are, try the Editors' Association of Canada's Web page at http://www.web.net/eac-acr Hope this helps. Dawn Hunter (who's really an editor that wants to start doing some indexing) markmywords@msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:35:55 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Leonard Will Subject: Re: need help - editing In-Reply-To: <895062582.1220040.0@listserv.cuny.edu> In article <895062582.1220040.0@listserv.cuny.edu>, Eileen Allen writes > >I have just been asked to edit a co-worker's dissertation. Just as a matter of curiosity, does a job like this raise any ethical problems? If the dissertation has been accepted for an academic qualification, and the editing is to produce a version for publication, then there is no difficulty apart from appropriate acknowledgements. On the other hand, if the dissertation is being edited before submission for the qualification, how much should an editor change? I presume that in that case the assessment will be partly based on the author's ability to organise and present material effectively, and if an editor (paid or otherwise) has made significant changes the assessment will not be accurate. Sorry if this is getting slightly off-topic for INDEX-L, but I suppose that the same issue might arise if someone wanted a dissertation to be indexed before submission. Leonard Will -- Willpower Information (Partners: Dr Leonard D Will, Sheena E Will) Information Management Consultants Tel: +44 181 372 0092 27 Calshot Way, Enfield, Middlesex, EN2 7BQ, UK Fax: +44 181 372 0094 L.Will@Willpower.demon.co.uk Sheena.Will@Willpower.demon.co.uk --------------- --------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:00:37 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: CccJlc Subject: Re: indexing process Hi all- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:02:59 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: indexing process Hi. Did you mean to say anything else? Very existential... :-) -- Sharon W. > -----Original Message----- > From: CccJlc [SMTP:CccJlc@AOL.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 1998 5:01 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: indexing process > > Hi all- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:18:31 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: CccJlc Subject: Re: indexing process, avoiding overwhelm Hi all- Sorry about that last post, it slipped through before it was done. :-) I am (still) trying to get the process down. I have heard so many times, "overindex at the beginning, it is easier to cut things at the end". When I do this, though, I have pages and pages of index when I get through the book, and then I have to sort it *allllllllll* out, subheadings, main headings, cross- refs, and I can't seem to concentrate very long. I am trying to find a way to ease this confusion. One thing I am considering is, on the first pass, making everything a main heading. Then, putting in some cross-references, then going through the second time to pick up the relationships (double-postings) only where needed, instead of taking a stab in the dark at it on the first pass. If anyone could share how they worked through this, it would be much appreciated. Chris cccjlc@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:26:30 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dawn Hunter Subject: Re: need help - editing -----Original Message----- From: Leonard Will To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Date: May 13, 1998 3:58 PM Subject: Re: need help - editing >Just as a matter of curiosity, does a job like this raise any ethical >problems? If the dissertation has been accepted for an academic >qualification, and the editing is to produce a version for publication, >then there is no difficulty apart from appropriate acknowledgements. It sure can! If the instructor has not suggested that a thesis be edited, it can cause big problems. The person writing it should verify what the professor wants. But more and more professors are allowing copy editing before presentation. Dawn Hunter markmywords@msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:43:30 -0700 Reply-To: "vbirchfield@kalesis.com" Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Vicki Birchfield Organization: Kalesis Systems Subject: Royal web site Hi all, This is an indexed website of "royals" that might be handy for those of you needing biographical/geneological data. It has cross-reference links to spouses/children/parents, short bios, and other stats. Some small photos and ancestor trees (click on the coats of arms), but not heavy on graphics. http://www.seattleboys.com/royalweb/default.htm The index is a little spotty. If you know the last name you're ok, but, for instance, you can find Prince Philip listed at 'Philip, Prince' as well as at Mountbatten. But you have to look for Prince Albert under Saxe-Coburg-Golgotha (though he does also get a link from the Queen Victoria Hanover page). Vicki Birchfield Kalesis Systems vbirchfield@kalesis.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:37:04 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nmbenton Subject: Re: indexing process, avoiding overwhelm In a message dated 98-05-13 17:20:08 EDT, Chris wrote: << I have to sort it *allllllllll* out, subheadings, main headings, cross- refs, and I can't seem to concentrate very long. I am trying to find a way to ease this confusion. >> Sometimes I like to make an outline of the book (a little more detailed than the table of contents) at the beginning. It gives me an intellectual framework and the exercise somehow "tells" me what level of detail would be most appropriate. Also, a draft of the index printed in page number order may help you see which pages have gotten too much attention. Nell Benton ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 19:01:31 +0000 Reply-To: connolly@neca.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dan Connolly Organization: WORD FOR WORD Book Indexing Subject: Re: Web Indexing Age (was: apology from detractors of my efforts at AusSI All, My understanding is that the World Wide Web (as we know and understand it) is only about 5 years old. The Internet (and its predecessor, ARPANET) is something like 30 years old. The Web is not the Internet; they are different, but becoming nearly synonymous terms. Web Indexing is probably not as old as the Web itself, since the absolute need for an organized system for accessing the data on the Web did not occur until the Web really took off (around 1995). Many of us did not go online until after the Web was created (I went on in late 1994), so we assume that the Web was always there and was "the Internet." This is the reason so many are taking a wait and see approach to Web Indexing. The technology is in its infancy (although its rapid growth has outstripped all other media at a comparable age--radio, TV...) I'm cerainly interested in keeping up with developments in Web Indexing, but as a beginner, I'm just trying to get the skills needed to index books (made of paper). Just my thoughts on this sunny evening (the 2nd in a row after 11 days of clouds and rain). Dan -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Daniel A. Connolly mailto:connolly@neca.com WORD FOR WORD Book Indexing and Editing Services http://WFWIndex.necaweb.com/ Woodstock, CT, USA -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 19:21:47 +0000 Reply-To: connolly@neca.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dan Connolly Organization: WORD FOR WORD Book Indexing Subject: Re: need help - editing I have found the Freelance Editorial Association's Web site to be very helpful: http://www.tiac.net/users/freelanc/ Dan -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Daniel A. Connolly mailto:connolly@neca.com WORD FOR WORD Book Indexing and Editing Services http://WFWIndex.necaweb.com/ Woodstock, CT, USA -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:29:18 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: need help - editing At 05:26 PM 5/13/1998 -0400, Dawn Hunter wrote: >It sure can! If the instructor has not suggested that a thesis be edited, it >can cause big problems. The person writing it should verify what the >professor wants. But more and more professors are allowing copy editing >before presentation. I'm presently working on two different theses, one for a doctoral degree and one for a master's. In the latter case, the person had written, directed, and produced a terrific video on the topic. She needed a written thesis to go with it, however, and she's not a "word person." Her advisor told her she needed to get with someone who could help her organize her thoughts into a proper written format so she'd have something to present with the video. Essentially, the video IS the thesis, and the writing of a formal paper on the topic is really pretty secondary. Also, it doesn't have to be more than 15-30 pages...not the usual near-book-length offering. The doctoral candidate has already presented her work to her committee and been told it needs clarification and editing/organizing. I'm doing the usual copyediting stuff directly on disk--just correcting as I read--and making copious suggestions, notes, and comments as "redlining" so she can use them to actually rewrite herself, in her own words. This has been more complex and time-consuming. In both cases, the advisor/committee knows and approves of the fact that these people are getting some help with their work. I'm charging both people $25 an hour. The doctoral candidate's paper is taking me about an hour to get through 5-7 pages...slow going, for me. I haven't gotten far enough into the master's paper to know my rate of work yet, but I suspect it will be a lot faster. Hope this helps... =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:35:25 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: AParrsh Subject: Re: need help - editing I have worked with many dissertations for colleagues. Some it has been a pleasure and an honor to work with; some are real horrors. Since I have begun to charge--yes, for years I did this as a collegial courtesy--I do not offer a flat fee until I have seen a sample of the work. I suggest that he or she show me the manuscript, that I read a couple of pages to see what kind of work is needed and make an estimate. I read a couple of pages from inside the manuscript, proofing as I read if proofing is needed and asking questions if necessary. (Sometimes I have offered a half-hour sample edit). I show the potential client what I have done and learn if this is what is wanted. Then I give my estimate, which is usually (for a colleague, and yes, I am still soft) $25.00 an hour. But if working with the mss. will involve heavy editing (English is a second language for the colleague, for example) or if the subject or the prose style will give me no joy, I quote a higher price per hour. Life is too short for work without pleasure--but a nice fat fee, a promise of potential pleasure, may make a dull job worthwhile. I hope your job is both interesting and profitable! Ann Parrish Parrish Professional Indexing (also The Ethical Ghost Editorial Services and, for c. 35 years, Professor of English) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 03:58:48 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Shuttleworth Subject: Royal Web site Vicki Birchfield wrote: Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Linda Sutherland Subject: Re: Web Indexing Age (was: apology from detractors of my efforts Guilty as charged! I do tend to forget that Web and Internet aren't the same thing. Thanks for drawing attention to this, Dan. You're right about the WWW being 5 years old, not ten or more as I'd suggested. I've just rechecked in one of the books I used when first learning about the Internet/WWW, and it links the Web's take-off to the free availability of Mosaic from early 1993. The same book highlights 1983 as the year in which ARPANET became available for non-military use - but that's an Internet development rather than a Web one. -- Linda Sutherland linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:45:49 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Eileen Allen Subject: Re: need help - editing In-Reply-To: <199805140026.UAA05960@snapdragon.textwise.com> Hi all! I knew I would get lots of help from Index-l when I posted my request! Thanks very much for the help on rates, estimations of work time, resource pages, and some ethical food for thought. Thanks to all! Eileen Allen ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:02:11 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Robert A. Saigh" Subject: how 5-14-98 To Whom It May Concern: How do I get my name off your list temporarily? I will be on vacation for a few weeks, and I do not want to come home to a billion messages. Let me know within the next few days. Thank you. Robert Saigh fugleman@mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:23:24 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: AllWrite N Subject: Re: how The same holds true for me. Any help is appreciated. Nancy Noyes All Write ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:24:37 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: how Send the message SIGNOFF INDEX-L to the server, not the list. -- Sharon W. > -----Original Message----- > From: AllWrite N [SMTP:AllWriteN@AOL.COM] > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 1998 9:23 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: how > > The same holds true for me. Any help is appreciated. > > Nancy Noyes > All Write ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:01:29 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Edgar Subject: Re: how do you sign back on Once you sign off (to go on vacation), how do you sign back on? Is it as simple as SIGNON INDEX-L? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:23:53 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Skuster Subject: setting index-l to nomail (was how) To stop mail while you are on vacation: send the following message to listserv@bingvmb.cc.binghamton.edu set index-l nomail when you return, send this message: set index-l mail put nothing else in the body of the message Charlotte Skuster index-l moderator ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:41:30 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Whitfield, James" Subject: IN-HOUSE JOB OPPORTUNITY AT PsycINFO We have immediate opportunities for qualified individuals to serve as Information Analysts in our PsycINFO online publication service. 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APA is one of the largest association publishers and offers a comprehensive benefits package, a smoke-free building next to Union Station/Metro and salaries beginning in the low to mid 20's. To apply, please send your resume, cover letter, and salary requirements to: American Psychological Association Attn:: Human Resources/TIA 750 First Street, N.E. Washington, DC 20002 EOE/AA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:48:24 -0400 Reply-To: "jvalente@positron.qc.ca" Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jose Valente Organization: Positron Inc. Subject: Index Software Tools Hi: Hi I am interested in what software tools are being used to create a FrameMaker+SGML index. I have hear of IXGEN from Frank Sterns Associates. Are there any other index software tools and how do they compare with IXGEN. Regards, Jose Valente ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:15:29 -0400 Reply-To: brocindx@catskill.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin A. Broccoli" Organization: Broccoli Information Management Subject: thesaurus for environmental issues This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------46B2F8BDECA29B32065A085D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know of a good online thesaurus (for vocabulary control) regarding environmental issues? Kevin A. Broccoli Broccoli Information Management brocindx@catskill.net http://www.bim.net --------------46B2F8BDECA29B32065A085D Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Kevin Broccoli Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Kevin Broccoli n: Broccoli;Kevin org: Broccoli Information Management adr;dom: 181 Sundown Rd.;;;Grahamsville;NY;12740; email;internet: brocindx@catskill.net title: Director note: http://www.bim.net x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------46B2F8BDECA29B32065A085D-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:31:16 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: how do you sign back on Send the message SUBSCRIBE INDEX-L to the server. To get a full list of commands, send the message REFCARD INDEX-L to the server. -- Sharon W. > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan Edgar [SMTP:Susan.Edgar@GALE.COM] > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 1998 10:01 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: how do you sign back on > > Once you sign off (to go on vacation), how do you sign back on? Is it as > simple as SIGNON INDEX-L? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:42:38 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Chris Miller Subject: New to Indexing Hello all! I have just embarked upon my career as an indexer, and I am having some trouble contacting publishers for work. Any suggestions? Thanks! Kari Miller ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:17:59 -0400 Reply-To: mirjana martic Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: mirjana martic Subject: Re: thesaurus for environmental issues Yes, Kevin , have a look at http://ceres.ca.gov they use a thesaurus for environmental issues. Mirjana -----Original Message----- From: Kevin A. Broccoli To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Date: 14 mai, 1998 11:10 Subject: thesaurus for environmental issues >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >--------------46B2F8BDECA29B32065A085D >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Anyone know of a good online thesaurus (for vocabulary control) >regarding environmental issues? > >Kevin A. Broccoli >Broccoli Information Management >brocindx@catskill.net >http://www.bim.net > >--------------46B2F8BDECA29B32065A085D >Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Description: Card for Kevin Broccoli >Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" > >begin: vcard >fn: Kevin Broccoli >n: Broccoli;Kevin >org: Broccoli Information Management >adr;dom: 181 Sundown Rd.;;;Grahamsville;NY;12740; >email;internet: brocindx@catskill.net >title: Director >note: http://www.bim.net >x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 >x-mozilla-html: FALSE >version: 2.1 >end: vcard > > >--------------46B2F8BDECA29B32065A085D-- >