From LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu Thu Dec 24 18:10:58 1998 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:46:08 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB To: Ilana Kingsley Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9811D" ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 09:47:56 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Shuttleworth Subject: amusing quotations about indexes Pam Rider wrote: Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nell Benton Subject: Re: More Ergonomic Junk I found the best cure was frequent stretching. A ballerina taught me how to get up and stretch every muscle several times a day. (She even emails me to remind me to do it.) It takes away morning stiffness and works like a charm when you start looking like the contours of your chair! Nell ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 07:02:18 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "W. Nadine Kruger" Subject: Re: More Ergonomic Junk Thanks, Pam.... I have never heard of a chair that slants in that way, but I will certainly look into it! I had a feeling that I would be just "changing aches" if I switched to a kneeling chair! Nadine -----Original Message----- From: Pam Rider To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Date: Saturday, November 21, 1998 5:55 PM Subject: Re: More Ergonomic Junk >Nadine asks about kneeling chairs. Her imagination matches my experience. >Back pain became knee ache with the kneeling chair. Instead I sit on a >portable seat that is higher in the behind than in front and is supposed to >help one's back be properly aligned--works for me. >Pam Rider >Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth >prider@electriciti.com >prider@tsktsk.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 07:04:31 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "W. Nadine Kruger" Subject: Re: More Ergonomic Junk Yes, Nell....I think the sedentary lifestyle does not agree with me!!!! Maybe I need a stretch reminder....or a good masseur. :) All I know is my posture is frightening! Thanks for your idea! Nadine -----Original Message----- From: Nell Benton To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Date: Sunday, November 22, 1998 4:55 AM Subject: Re: More Ergonomic Junk >I found the best cure was frequent stretching. A ballerina taught me how to >get up and stretch every muscle several times a day. (She even emails me to >remind me to do it.) It takes away morning stiffness and works like a charm >when you start looking like the contours of your chair! >Nell > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 06:26:58 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pam Rider Subject: Re: More Ergonomic Junk In-Reply-To: <199811221411.GAA05006@decibel.electriciti.com> At 07:02 AM 11/22/98 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks, Pam.... > >I have never heard of a chair that slants in that way, but I will certainly >look into it! I had a feeling that I would >be just "changing aches" if I switched to a kneeling chair! > >Nadine > My genuine apology for not being clear--I intended to tout a cushion that costs about $30-$40. One brandname is TushCush. Pam Rider Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth prider@electriciti.com prider@tsktsk.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 18:17:38 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Laurence Errington Subject: Re: BACKUPS: A Sad Tale In message , Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> writes> ......SUGGESTED BACKUP MEDIA > >When my first drive failure occurred it was only a small unit and I had >not yet "advanced" to Windows95. My backup was on a set of 85 floppy >disks. My system now stands at 7 GB of drive space and contains four >operating systems. My preferred backup medium is magnetic tape, using >a Colorado T1000 drive and Verbatim TR1 Xtra tapes [1.0 GB each]. >The T1000 will not accept larger tapes, such as the TR2, 3 or 4. Since >my hardware investment is so great -- $350 for drive and tapes so far -- >I cannot afford to switch to a T3000, which accepts larger capacity tapes. > >I understand that the Zip drive system is good for backup usage, but my ,. ......etc Laurence Errington comments... I also back up to a tape drive. My hard disc is just (sic) 2.1gb and the tape (Ditto Easy 3200 that takes TR-3 tapes and others) will back up the whole drive. BUT no-one says even in the backup program with the tape drive, how you should go about restoring everything should you one day have to reinstall W95 (either with your the rest of your system still on there or after reformatting the whole disc or replacing the hard drive). There are apparently backup programs that will restore your whole system INCLUDING w95 using a rescue floppy and your tape. I bought one a couldn't get it run at all. The program with my tape drive requires you to at least install the W95 yourself. If you do that though surely there'll be lots of newly created W95 files on your disc with the dates of the day your doing the reinstallation. When you come to reinstall from your tape, you'll be faced with the conundrum of whether to overwrite them with the older W95 files on your tape. You'd at least need surely to overwrite some of them like the registry (system.dat) and user.dat as they'd have all the information about your installed software and hardware. There must be a whole lot more problems that I could imagine. I've looked in my manuals, spoken to some peope who ought to know, but no-one is clear about it. Anyone know what should be the practice to restore your system using a tape that is a copy of your whole system? -- Dr Laurence Errington 15 Kirkhill Terrace, Edinburgh, Scotland, EH16 5DQ Tel: 0044-(0)131-667-5406 Fax: 0044-(0)131-667-5406 (9-7pm GMT weekdays only) E-Mail: laurence@errington-index.demon.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 08:01:30 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: insurance At 10:40 AM 11/20/1998 -0500, Ellen Brink wrote: >I just met with my insurance agent yesterday and we discussed the >necessity of professional liability insurance. I am still in the very >early stages of the indexing biz and do not think such a policy would be >in my best interest at this point, but he suggested that I might want >this protection down the road. I wonder if a few of you seasoned pros >would be kind enough to give your personal opinions/experiences with >this. Thanks. I've never had this, and doubt that I ever will need it. Unless you are doing some mighty arcane and peculiar indexing work, your liability is probably going to be limited to giving back your fee if you've made major errors. You're not going to be involved in libel suits (you don't create the writing, you just index it), and I don't see how you can otherwise be held responsible for the contents of the book you're indexing. I'm not a lawyer, though I know we have at least one on this list. I'm trying to take a reasonable view of things, not protect myself against any and every possibility. I've been doing this work for about 20 years, and never come close to being involved in a professional liability suit, but I suppose it's possible. My husband, however, is in the kind of business where this sort of insurance is a necessity. His insurance company provides him with some excellent training on how to avoid getting sued (and thus activating the insurance), and I've read a number of their publications. One thing that seems simple enough to incorporate into any agreement an indexer might make is a statement to the effect that our liability is limited to the amount of the fee we have charged. It's probably not completely "suit-proof," but it seems to be a simple form of protection to have if and when that really outside possibility happens. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 11:44:21 -0500 Reply-To: kamm@sky-software.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kamm Y. Schreiner" Subject: Re: BACKUPS: A Sad Tale In-Reply-To: <199811212353.SAA25310@mx05.erols.com> Hi, I have a similar approach to Ann's. I put all of my important "data" files in the "My Documents" directory of my C: drive. I have a second hard drive (not a partition on the same drive) that I back up all of my data to using the Windows 98 task scheduler every day at 6pm. I back up the data with the XTREE command and because of this, the backed up files do not require any "restoring" if I should find that I have lost or accidentally deleted an important file. I simply copy the file back to my C: drive. Once a month I back up to a CD-R disc. Again, only data files. This gives me an extremely reliable history of what I have had on my computer just in case I should want to find an old file some day. It also gives me peace of mind to actually DELETE old files that I don't think I need any more. Since the CD's don't take much room, I don't throw them out and I can comfortably delete these files KNOWING that I can recover them if I really need to. This allows me to stop *accumulating* files. Another thing... I never backup program files. It only takes a few minutes to restore programs from their original disks. Finally, I don't back up the operating system either. In all the years I've used computers I have only had to reinstall the operating system once. It was a royal pain, but not bad enough that I want to spend the extra time and use the extra disk space required to back it up. There may be many people who would lose sleep if they didn't back up program files and the OS. If you are one of those people, by all means - do it. The only disadvantage is that it takes time to do it. This is time that I find better spent on other things, but, we all have our priorities. BTW, since I'm sure that someone will correctly note that backup's can be performed *while* you use your computer, I just want to say ahead of time that although this *can* be done, it has always reduced the performance of my computer to the point where it was not realistically usable. Backup's are extremely important and I'm sure that with all of the info that's been discussed in this thread that everyone will be able to find a method that meets their needs. Happy Indexing! Kamm Schreiner SKY Software 6016 Oxpen Ct, #303 Alexandria, VA 22315 email: kamm@sky-software.com web: http://www.sky-software.com phone: 800-776-0137 or 703-921-9472 fax: 703-921-9472 << Another thing I recently began doing is putting all my data on one partition of my hard drive. Then I only need to back up that partition on a frequent basis - the whole disc gets done every time I make a major change in setup and monthly. (This means I need to backup or copy files to the data partition from some apps. but most of the time my data goes straight there.) >> ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 12:00:45 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: ROBJRICH@AOL.COM Subject: The Sedentary Lifestyle Nadine Kruger wrote: Yup! But I believe the correct description for full-time indexing is "Sedimentary Lifestyle". Like all geological processes it doesn't happen overnight, but sooner or later we notice thickening deposits on the bedrock of our paleozoic bottoms! Hmmnnn... Is this what is meant by "trickle-down economics"? Bob ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 13:24:15 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: Re: BACKUPS: A Sad Tale Laurence@ERRINGTON-INDEX.DEMON.CO.UK writes: > > I've looked in my manuals, spoken to some peope who ought to know, but > no-one is clear about it. Anyone know what should be the practice to > restore your system using a tape that is a copy of your whole system? > These were the steps I was told to follow by Dell when my hard drive was replaced: 1) Start your computer with your *emergency boot disk* in the A: drive. This will give you basic DOS commands, and hopefully also the drivers to allow you access your CD drive. (I have had problems there, but muddled my way thru by a circuitous route that I could not recreate here!) If you have not made a boot disk, I think you are in "deep doodoo". 2) Put your Win 95 disk in and type X:\win95\setup (where X is the letter of your CD drive). Install Win95; I used "minimal" installation option. 3) Install your backup program. 4) Now you are ready to install your whole system backup. But you may not be completely out of the woods yet! I did this, but did not get back all my stuff. After a lot of hair pulling & cussing, I called the software company & they very quickly told me how to change the default settings so that *all* files were copied back onto the hard drive. (I think they get this Q pretty often, since I probably spent an hour trying to figure out how to select those files and could find nothing helpful in the on-line help.) My backup software lets me choose to overwrite all old files or no old files, or select them individually. In this case I'd think you would want to overwrite them all, since your backup files will be the most current & contain the settings which were in use prior to the crash. Any refinements on the above procedure from someone more knowledgeable is welcome! My computer seems to be in frequent need of major surgery (lobotomy??). And Kamm Schreiner writes: >Another thing... I never backup program files. It only takes a few minutes >to restore programs from their original disks. Finally, I don't back up the >operating system either. In all the years I've used computers I have only >had to reinstall the operating system once. It was a royal pain, but not bad >enough that I want to spend the extra time and use the extra disk space >required to back it up. Yes, in theory this is true. But in my experience it is a nightmare. You load Office95, but then what about that patch? Back to the MS website. And all those settings you got tweaked just right? Let me see - *how* did I get rid of that pesky smirking paperclip? Then there is WinZip which was downloaded from the 'net - did I put that onto floppies? If so, what about the upgrade version? And where oh where did I write down my regis. info? And then Quicken: I have customer & regis. nos. written down, but they won't work - and the program is saying it will self destruct after 3 more uses. Call Quicken - yes, you have to get a *new* number every time you reload the program. Honest! Well, you get the idea. I back up the whoooole deal every so often now! Ann Ann Truesdale (anntrue@aol.com) TrueWords Freelance Services Yonges Island, SC ************************************************************** If quitters never win, and winners never quit, what fool came up with, "Quit while you're ahead"? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 13:24:16 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: Re: BACKUPS: XTREE command? Kamm, Why do you use the XTREE command rather than just drag & drop? I am not familiar with that command. Ann Ann Truesdale (anntrue@aol.com) TrueWords Freelance Services Yonges Island, SC ************************************************************** If quitters never win, and winners never quit, what fool came up with, "Quit while you're ahead"? In a message dated 11/22/98 11:44:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, skysoft@EROLS.COM writes: > I have a second hard drive > (not a partition on the same drive) that I back up all of my data to using > the Windows 98 task scheduler every day at 6pm. I back up the data with the > XTREE command and because of this, the backed up files do not require any > "restoring" if I should find that I have lost or accidentally deleted an > important file. I simply copy the file back to my C: drive. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 12:56:22 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Robert A. " <> Subject: Re: insurance To Everyone: Speaking of insurance, has anyone taken a good, hard look at the health insurance policy offered by Mutual of Omaha. I have looked at the policy with a friend of mine (who has a degree in economics and knows how to analyze numbers), and -- to be blunt -- you can get a better insurance plan elsewhere. Maybe I am wrong. Read what you get carefully. Part of the catch is that you are putting money in that they get to invest along with pocketing any interest they might make. Is that worth having tax-free invested money in their policy? Any ideas. Anyone else with suggestions of where to shop for better health insurance for me and my future family? You are welcome to e-mail me off-line if you wish. Rob ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 13:04:47 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Karen Kolavalli Subject: Re: insurance In-Reply-To: <199811221858.MAA08240@onyx.southwind.net> I'm interested in hearing about the Mutual of Omaho insurance as well, so I hope everyone will reply to the List and not just to Rob. Thanks. Karen Kolavalli heytoto@southwind.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 12:25:38 -0800 Reply-To: nkoenig@sprynet.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Nicholas W. Koenig" Subject: Re: The Sedentary Lifestyle ROBJRICH@AOL.COM wrote: > > Nadine Kruger wrote: > > > > Yup! But I believe the correct description for full-time indexing is > "Sedimentary Lifestyle". Like all geological processes it doesn't happen > overnight, but sooner or later we notice thickening deposits on the bedrock > of our paleozoic bottoms! > > Hmmnnn... Is this what is meant by "trickle-down economics"? > > Bob I think with trickle-down economics most of the fat remains in the higher strata, where true sedentary lifestyles are often observed. Nick Koenig ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 15:28:00 -0500 Reply-To: kamm@sky-software.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kamm Y. Schreiner" Subject: Re: BACKUPS: XTREE command? In-Reply-To: <199811221826.NAA18206@mx01.erols.com> Hi Ann, You asked: Why do you use the XTREE command rather than just drag & drop? I am not familiar with that command. I use it because it can be used in a DOS batch file and therefore executed automatically by the Windows 98 Scheduler. It also allows for backing up only those files that have been modified etc. which reduces the backup time. My daily backup takes less than 30 seconds per day and about one hour when I do the monthly backup to CD-R. To learn more about XTREE and what it can do: 1. Get a DOS prompt. 2. type XTREE /? Happy Indexing, Kamm SKY Software 6016 Oxpen Ct, #303 Alexandria, VA 22315 email: kamm@sky-software.com web: http://www.sky-software.com phone: 800-776-0137 or 703-921-9472 fax: 703-921-9472 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 15:28:01 -0500 Reply-To: kamm@sky-software.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kamm Y. Schreiner" Subject: Re: BACKUPS: A Sad Tale In-Reply-To: <199811221826.NAA18150@mx01.erols.com> Ann wrote: << And Kamm Schreiner writes: >Another thing... I never backup program files. It only takes a few minutes >to restore programs from their original disks. Finally, I don't back up the >operating system either. In all the years I've used computers I have only >had to reinstall the operating system once. It was a royal pain, but not bad >enough that I want to spend the extra time and use the extra disk space >required to back it up. Yes, in theory this is true. But in my experience it is a nightmare. You load Office95, but then what about that patch? Back to the MS website. And all those settings you got tweaked just right? Let me see - *how* did I get rid of that pesky smirking paperclip? Then there is WinZip which was downloaded from the 'net - did I put that onto floppies? If so, what about the upgrade version? And where oh where did I write down my regis. info? And then Quicken: I have customer & regis. nos. written down, but they won't work - and the program is saying it will self destruct after 3 more uses. Call Quicken - yes, you have to get a *new* number every time you reload the program. Honest! Well, you get the idea. I back up the whoooole deal every so often now! >> This is one of those things that no two people are going to have the same opinion on. You should definitely do what you feel comfortable with. For me, the extra time and and disk space required to backup all of my very large collection of programs, over and over and over again, is far worse than any extra time I might need to spend getting a program back in working order after reinstalling from distribution disks because it happens so very infrequently (for me at least). BTW, because of my monthly backups, I always have those *patch* files handy if I need them. I just pop the CD into the CD-ROM drive and execute the proper file - no restoring needed. Again, everyone else, should do what works for them and what lets them sleep well. I'm just offering another point of view and another backup technique for consideration - as I believe you are. :) Happy Indexing! Kamm SKY Software 6016 Oxpen Ct, #303 Alexandria, VA 22315 email: kamm@sky-software.com web: http://www.sky-software.com phone: 800-776-0137 or 703-921-9472 fax: 703-921-9472 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 12:54:30 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Robin Hilp Subject: Re: Indexing--Is It The Right Choice? Kara Pekar wrote: >I agree with Robin that networking is vital to >starting and maintaining a business...but "3 or 4 >nights and lunches a week"? [...] for many of us, >networking that often (face to face) is impossible >due to distance. [...] this degree of networking is >simply not necessary to "make it" in indexing. >[...] my mentor. She has been a source of support and >encouragement [...] all my contact with her is over >the phone or by email Kara has a point. You can be just as "well networked" with more phone and email and less face-to-face contact. It's a question of what's more convenient and comfortable for you. I'm currently mentoring 2 people in tech writing. Our contact has been mostly face-to-face. OTOH the person who has just agreed (bless her) to mentor me in business management is happiest doing everything in email. It'll be a new experience for me! == RolyBear ICQ 1863181 (Robin Hilp) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 13:01:24 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jan C. Wright" Subject: Re: insurance In-Reply-To: <199811221856.NAA00636@camel26.mindspring.com> The best deal I have seen thus far on insurance is through a local Chamber of Commerce. You would have to join your Chamber of Commerce, and hopefully they _have_ insurance plans in your city, but the ones I have looked at are far cheaper than even COBRA coverage. Just an alternative to check out, and who knows, you might get some good contacts? I also looked at the National Writer's Union coverage, but it was 200-300 dollars more per month. It is an option, but an expensive one. The Society for Technical Communication offers insurance, but it is Mutual of Omaha again. Some states now have mandated insurance, so that everyone can get a form of insurance if you reside in the state -- that's another place to check. Jan Wright At 12:56 PM 11/23/98 -0600, you wrote: >To Everyone: > > Speaking of insurance, has anyone taken a good, hard look at the >health insurance policy offered by Mutual of Omaha. I have looked at >the policy with a friend of mine (who has a degree in economics and >knows how to analyze numbers), and -- to be blunt -- you can get a >better insurance plan elsewhere. Maybe I am wrong. Read what you get >carefully. > > Part of the catch is that you are putting money in that they get to >invest along with pocketing any interest they might make. Is that worth >having tax-free invested money in their policy? > > Any ideas. Anyone else with suggestions of where to shop for better >health insurance for me and my future family? You are welcome to e-mail >me off-line if you wish. > > Rob > > +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Wright Information Indexing Services http://www.wrightinformation.com +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 13:24:07 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: christy graunke Subject: Re: insurance To anyone interested in health insurance. . .check out http://www.hiaa.org (the Health Insurance Association of America) for lots of information from an organization that's not selling anything. Good luck! :) christy christyworks@mindspring.com Robert A. wrote: > To Everyone: > > Speaking of insurance, has anyone taken a good, hard look at the > health insurance policy offered by Mutual of Omaha. I have looked at > the policy with a friend of mine (who has a degree in economics and > knows how to analyze numbers), and -- to be blunt -- you can get a > better insurance plan elsewhere. Maybe I am wrong. Read what you get > carefully. > > Part of the catch is that you are putting money in that they get to > invest along with pocketing any interest they might make. Is that worth > having tax-free invested money in their policy? > > Any ideas. Anyone else with suggestions of where to shop for better > health insurance for me and my future family? You are welcome to e-mail > me off-line if you wish. > > Rob > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:29:18 -0000 Reply-To: jsampson@indexes.u-net.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "J.R. Sampson" Subject: Re: OS serviceability In-Reply-To: > You should really try Linux. The operating system is really getting user > friendly. How well does it run Macrex or Cindex? Regards _John Sampson_ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:42:52 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: David Amundson Subject: Re: insurance In-Reply-To: <199811221858.NAA16295@jane.penn.com> At 12:56 PM 11/23/98 -0600, Rob wrote: >To Everyone: > > Speaking of insurance, has anyone taken a good, hard look at the >health insurance policy offered by Mutual of Omaha. . . you can get a >better insurance plan elsewhere. . . Any ideas. Anyone else with suggestions of where to shop for better >health insurance for me and my future family? ____________________ So far, the best deal I've found is the insurance offered by many local chambers of commerce to small businesses. You qualify as a small business even if you are the sole proprietor of that business. I first learned of it when I was living in Philadelphia--they had a really good Blue Cross plan there--and when I moved to central Pennsylvania I joined a nearby chamber of commerce to be able to subscribe to their insurance. It's worth it--coverag is through Blue Cross, and rates are comparable to those offered by Aetna (National Writers Union uses them). The NWU plan offers more, but the physicians in my area have decided not to sign up with Aetna because the company doesn't reimburse them well enough for the population they're caring for here (poor, unemployed, old, etc.). I have no idea about Mutual of Omaha's actual offerings through ASI--a representative called me once but then never got back to me with any particulars. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 15:08:46 -0800 Reply-To: ljm2001@mindspring.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LJM Subject: Re: insurance Many of the insurance plans mentioned so far won't take individuals with pre-existing conditions, or if you exceed their weight limits. Information about state insurance for the hard-to-insure can be found at: http://cancernet.nci.nih.gov/facing_forward/facmanag.html#anchor1088122 In CA the premiums run around $250/mo, depending where you live. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:02:43 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jan Mucciarone Subject: Journal/Diaries Have any of you had experience with indexing journals/diaries? I have noticed that many of these books do not have indexes - such as, "Journal of a Solitude," by May Sarton. I was thinking of volunteering for a project on a book about a man who spends years tracking an animal but now that I have read the 400 pages, there seems to be very little to index as he is very often alone throughout this book. I would still like to try it and would welcome any comments or suggestions. Thanks, Jan Mucciarone janmucc@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:37:26 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Roberta Horowitz Subject: Re: insurance Rob You might want to check out the Working Today organization at http://www.workingtoday.org/ There policy also includes dental and vision coverage. It will cost you 10.00 to join before Dec 31st, 25.00 starting January 1. In addition to health insurance they have some other benefits. Roberta At 12:56 PM 11/23/98 -0600, you wrote: >To Everyone: > > Speaking of insurance, has anyone taken a good, hard look at the >health insurance policy offered by Mutual of Omaha. I have looked at >the policy with a friend of mine (who has a degree in economics and >knows how to analyze numbers), and -- to be blunt -- you can get a >better insurance plan elsewhere. Maybe I am wrong. Read what you get >carefully. > > Part of the catch is that you are putting money in that they get to >invest along with pocketing any interest they might make. Is that worth >having tax-free invested money in their policy? > > Any ideas. Anyone else with suggestions of where to shop for better >health insurance for me and my future family? You are welcome to e-mail >me off-line if you wish. > > Rob > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 17:07:57 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charles Anderson Subject: Re: BACKUPS: A Sad Tale One thing that no one has mentioned that people might want to think about is the strange things that can happen to the Windows Registry when you copy files back to a hard disk, reinstall programs, etc. The Registry seems be blessed or cursed with perfect memory, i.e., never forgetting anything that may have been on your computer,even though the memories may do more harm than good. Although there are commercial registry cleaning programs as part of things like CleanSweep and I believe Norton Utilities (although I wouldn't put that on my PC again), you can get a perfectly serviceable one free from the Microsoft download site - just search for a program called REGCLEAN.EXE. Charles Anderson ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:40:59 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Robert A. " <> Subject: Re: insurance Roberta: Thanks for the insurance information. In fact, thank you everyone for your information. The problem with the Mutual of Omaha (besides that their rates are not truly much better than the others -- even with the five percent discount) is that their MSA means you give them as much money as you want to invest that year. Then, as you need it, you can withdraw from it tax-free. I can invest my own money thank you and make more, pocket the change (minus the taxes), and still have more than if I had given it to them. Perhaps the ASI should look into finding us a better insurer with better options? Rob ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:09:29 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Wyatt Subject: Ergonomic chairs Nadine Kruger asks about "fancy chairs that you kneel in". If they are well-made, they are great. But make sure that you can adjust not only the height of the seat, but also both the distance between where your knees go and your behind goes (otherwise if your body does not confirm to the regulation size and shape you could end up with worse (or at least different) aches and pains), and the angle of the seat (or you may find yourself sliding gracefully off the seat onto the floor). Unfortunately, such chairs are quite expensive. Also, ensure that the welding that attaches the seat to the upright stem is of high quality. On one that I was using, the seat snapped off as I was sitting down, and I was very nearly impaled by the stem! Beware: whatever sort you buy, the clothes your wear while sitting on it will probably end up with droopy, baggy knees. Michael Wyatt Keyword Editorial Services 22 Kendall Street, Surry Hills 2010 Phone 0500 539 973 Fax (02) 9331 7785 keyword@ozemail.com.au ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 13:30:54 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Back Words Indexing Subject: Re: Dealing with clients: a happy ending You wrote >The final round of tizzies came when I finished the estimate and came up >with a figure of $7 per page. The editor thought I should charge less for >pages with illustrations. So I had to explain that my calculations averaged >in the pages with illustrations, and then I sat around chewing my nails and >thinking I would lose the assignment. But the editor agreed! And I am now >indexing this book, for $7 a page. Times 800 pages--yum. > >I heartily agree with Do Mi about setting limits and becoming empowered. I >think if you are able to figure out what your limits are, willing to talk >to clients about them, and able to back them up with reasons, almost >everything is negotiable. Scary but worth it, yes? YAY, CAROL!!!! I LOVE reading these "befriending the dragon" tales! Martha BWI ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 22:45:18 +1100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dwight Walker Organization: W W Walker Web Development Subject: The Human Services Thesaurus 1995 - medical Web thesaurus The Human Services Thesaurus 3RD EDITION - APRIL 1995 SUBJECT TERMS FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES AND HEALTH http://partners.health.gov.au/pubs/thesauru/thesaur.htm -------------------------------------------------------- Dwight Walker WWWalker Web Development, PO Box 288, Wentworthville, Sydney, 2145, Australia http://www.wwwalker.com.au, http://www.speakeasy.org/~dwight (US mirror) tel +61-2-98960286, mob +61-412-405727, fax +61-2-97772058 ICQ No. 4631678, handle: wwwalker (www.mirabilis.com) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 07:59:16 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Margie Towery Subject: Re: insurance All: I have checked out the Mutual of Omaha coverage for disability insurance and thought it was okay. One of the catches to watch for in this type of insurance is that you are covered when you can't index (not when you can't do any type of work). And MO's is set up so that if I can't index, I get the income replacement. I've decided to get disability insurance (with two kids with college tuition bills along with everything else, it's important to me). So as soon as I get a comparable quote from our home and car insurer, I'll make a decision and do it. Margie Towery Towery Indexing Service ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 08:57:45 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barczak, Jessie" Subject: Re: insurance What a fantastic site! Many of my questions were answered immediately upon my "arrival" ... M. Jessie Barczak Research Analyst Powell Tate Washington 202-434-8533 jbarczak@washington.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Roberta Horowitz [SMTP:RHorowitz@ACM.ORG] > Sent: Sunday, November 22, 1998 7:37 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: insurance > > Rob > > You might want to check out the Working Today organization at > http://www.workingtoday.org/ > > There policy also includes dental and vision coverage. It will cost you > 10.00 to join before Dec 31st, 25.00 starting January 1. In addition to > health insurance they have some other benefits. > > Roberta > > > At 12:56 PM 11/23/98 -0600, you wrote: > >To Everyone: > > > > Speaking of insurance, has anyone taken a good, hard look at the > >health insurance policy offered by Mutual of Omaha. I have looked at > >the policy with a friend of mine (who has a degree in economics and > >knows how to analyze numbers), and -- to be blunt -- you can get a > >better insurance plan elsewhere. Maybe I am wrong. Read what you get > >carefully. > > > > Part of the catch is that you are putting money in that they get to > >invest along with pocketing any interest they might make. Is that worth > >having tax-free invested money in their policy? > > > > Any ideas. Anyone else with suggestions of where to shop for better > >health insurance for me and my future family? You are welcome to e-mail > >me off-line if you wish. > > > > Rob > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:03:11 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barczak, Jessie" Subject: Re: More Ergonomic Junk Hi Nell, Maybe that's why I missed you last Thursday at the office ... you resembled your chair? I didn't recognize you ... M. Jessie Barczak Research Analyst Powell Tate Washington 202-434-8533 jbarczak@washington.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Nell Benton [SMTP:Nmbenton@AOL.COM] > Sent: Sunday, November 22, 1998 6:54 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: More Ergonomic Junk > > I found the best cure was frequent stretching. A ballerina taught me how > to > get up and stretch every muscle several times a day. (She even emails me > to > remind me to do it.) It takes away morning stiffness and works like a > charm > when you start looking like the contours of your chair! > Nell ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:07:09 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barczak, Jessie" Subject: Re: Indexing--Is It The Right Choice? Isn't it the same as proofreading, but you must know certain styles, and standard proofing symbols for markup? M. Jessie Barczak Research Analyst Powell Tate Washington 202-434-8533 jbarczak@washington.com > -----Original Message----- > From: PDepri5514@AOL.COM [SMTP:PDepri5514@AOL.COM] > Sent: Thursday, November 19, 1998 11:24 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: Indexing--Is It The Right Choice? > > In a message dated 98-11-19 18:44:32 EST, you write: > > << . I think the USDA might > actually offer a copyediting course, but I'm not sure. The good news is > that copyediting is less stressful, because the deadlines aren't usually > as > tight or as firm. The other good news is that, as with indexing, there's > plenty of work out there. >> > Carol > > What exactly is copy editing? > > Patrick. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:30:31 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: amusing quotations about indexes In the US, the "bonnet" is the hood of a car. And that is a great indexing entry! For those with a darker sense of humor, we once had to index a book on the Physics of Automobile Accidents. I never, ever thought I'd end up with an entry entitled "Pedestrian throw," but there it was, with more than one entry (it had to do with calculating the speed of an automobile from how far the pedestrian was thrown). Sick, but kind of funny, you must admit... probably says more about me than I care to think about! :-) -- Sharon W. x7255 Rm. 223 Sharon.Wright@Lexis-Nexis.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Christine Shuttleworth [SMTP:cshuttle@DIRCON.CO.UK] > Sent: Friday, November 20, 1998 2:45 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: amusing quotations about indexes > > I was proud and delighted to see among Helen Schinske's friend's amusing > quotes about indexes the following entry: > > Henry Porter Lies, damned lies > > It's from an early index of mine and is still my favourite entry of all > time. The book, by a UK journalist, was on the theme of "how much can you > believe of what you read in the papers?" and includes a lot of funny > stories > about how journalists have twisted, mangled or even invented facts to make > a > good story. The item in question was about the type of heatwave > traditionally described in the UK by the cliche "Phew, what a scorcher!" A > staff photographer was instructed to demonstrate that it was so hot you > could fry an egg on the bonnet of a car (I think the bonnet is called > something else in the US, sorry, can't remember). The photographer was > unable to get a real egg to fry in the heat, and eventually resorted to > buying a plastic "fried egg" from a joke shop, placed it on the car bonnet > and photographed it. Well, how would you have indexed the incident? > > By the way, more quotes, both amusing and serious, about indexing are to > be > found on the Society of Indexers' Web site: > > http://www.socind.demon.co.uk > > Christine > > ************************************************************ > Christine Shuttleworth, Indexing & Editorial Services > Flat 1, 25 St Stephen's Avenue > London W12 8JB, UK > e-mail: cshuttle@dircon.co.uk > **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 09:17:17 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: New York State Sales Tax? ... I just called my CPA to check. His office wasn't sure (!) so they referred me to the NY State (800-462-8100) where I talked to a Sales Tax Law specialist. > Peg Mauer > > > OOPS!!! > -Kevin A. Broccoli > Just FYI, both of you were sort of right. In most states, the sales tax is actually called a Sales and Use tax, and covers goods as well as services. Which goods and services are covered or exempt varies wildly from state to state and changes at least annually! For the most part, what you do (freelancing editorial services from a sole proprietership) would probably be exempt, but Peg did the absolutely correct thing: Call your state revenue office and find out! Better safe than sorry. Just my two cents... -- Sharon W. x7255 Rm. 223 Sharon.Wright@Lexis-Nexis.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 15:06:03 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Shuttleworth Subject: Re: Indexing--Is It The Right Choice? Jessie Barczak wrote: Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kim Harris Subject: Re: amusing quotations about indexes It may be apocryphal but supposedly there was a book on Licensing Law with the following index entry: kill, licence to, 007. The editor didn't notice it! Kim ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:27:38 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: David Amundson Subject: insurance In-Reply-To: <199811222118.QAA04496@jane.penn.com> At 01:24 PM 11/22/98 -0800, Christy Graunke wrote: >To anyone interested in health insurance. . .check out http://www.hiaa.org >(the Health Insurance Association of America) for lots of information from >an organization that's not selling anything. __________________ They're not selling insurance POLICIES, but they sure are selling insurance COMPANIES. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 12:05:47 -0500 Reply-To: kamm@sky-software.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kamm Y. Schreiner" Subject: SKY Index Professional (A false virus detection) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE16D9.9B2414E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have received email from several people trying the SKY Index Professional demo recently that have complained that McAfee VirusScan found a "Known Trojan" virus in the setup file. This is a false detection. The demo does not contain a virus. Below is text found on the McAfee web site describing this problem. Q: Why do I keep getting a known Trojan report? A: This is most likely a false detection. Trojan.dat in 3.20 and 4.0 is not functioning correctly. Please delete Trojan.dat from the VirusScan directory until further notice. Trojan.dat will say it detects a 'known trojan' in setup.exe files far too often. If you have any questions, you can contact me at email address or phone number below. Sincerely, Kamm Schreiner SKY Software 6016 Oxpen Ct, #303 Alexandria, VA 22315 email: kamm@sky-software.com web: http://www.sky-software.com phone: 800-776-0137 or 703-921-9472 fax: 703-921-9472 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE16D9.9B2414E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BE16D9.9B2414E0-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 10:27:19 -0800 Reply-To: Elinor Lindheimer Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elinor Lindheimer Subject: Re: insurance Health insurance policies written by regular insurance companies have never, in my experience, been as good as policies written by nonprofit health-only insurance companies. In California, Blue Shield has an excellent individual or family policy with reasonable rates. They also have a special child's policy that you keep separate from the parents'--at a truly affordable price. I've also known individuals to be happy with Kaiser--but their nearest facility was too far away for us to consider. We used to carry $2000 deductible insurance--disaster insurance is what it was. Elinor Lindheimer elinorl@mcn.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:53:23 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: Re: USDA editing courses (was Indexing--Is It The Right Choice?) Having finally pulled out my USDA course catalog, I can report that they offer *five* courses in editing, one in proofreading, one on "publishing management" and, of course two indexing courses. They also award editoring "Certificates of Accomplishment" on four levels for individuals completing groupings of these courses. > > << . I think the USDA might > > actually offer a copyediting course, but I'm not sure. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 13:53:25 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: Re: More Ergonomic Junk Hi all, Here are two programs which you can use to schedule breaks: Corkboard - http://www.mycorkboard.com Freeware, unless you want to buy more of the "junk" stuff, ie., images to post on the corkboard and "pranks" to play on your cyber friends. The corkboard comes up as a screensaver. You can put calender, clock, "post-its" and lists plus images of your choice. Your can set times for a "pop-up" box to alert you of breaks or appointments on a recurring or one-time basis. It also had a "stress monitor" which will alert you to take a break based on how much typing/mousing you are doing. I have been using this for a couple of weeks, and like the lists and the fact that you can write yourself a memo to remind you what the alert is for, ie., "Feed the horses" at 5:30 pm ensures that I get out there before it is pitch dark, and "Go to bed" reminds me to quit on time. There is a lot of "fun" stuff, which I personally doubt any sane person would want to use, but that is easily eliminated. ExerciseBreak - http://www.hoptechno.com/eb.htm Review in January _Smart Computing_ (check out their other products - eclectic selection of books!) This one lets you set up breaks at times you wish and also monitors your typing/mousing for breaks. It has specific exercises which it suggests for you to do at each break (apparently you can choose the exercises you want). It also contains basic info on ergonomics - posture, chair, office setup. I just downloaded the demo, and apparently there is no option to "write yourself notes". This one is $29.95 DOS/WIN or $39.95 MAC. I like the exercise instruction idea in the second, but will probably stick with Corkboard myself being an incurable list maker and figuring that I need something to say *what* I am supposed to do when the alert appears. :-} Ann Ann Truesdale (anntrue@aol.com) TrueWords Freelance Services Yonges Island, SC ************************************************************** If quitters never win, and winners never quit, what fool came up with, "Quit while you're ahead"? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:30:58 -0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Headley Subject: ISO 999 From Christine Headley I want to get hold of a copy of ISO 999 - the International Standard document which deals with indexes - but I am reluctant to pay GBP 55 for it just-like-that. Would the Combined Wisdom (particularly the UK end) expect to get hold of it through the public library system, or might I as well not waste time and bite the bullet? Christine H Stroud, Glos ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:38:29 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Debra Lindblom Subject: Re: New client test Hi everyone: I have been marketing my indexing services for a few months and am getting a better response, more quickly, than I had anticipated. I recently contacted a publisher that requires prospective indexers to take an indexing test. The test is to index a chapter from one of their already published books. The test they sent me is a 37-page chapter, about 400 words/page. They want it returned in a week. Have any of you taken this kind of a test to get a client? Do you recommend it? Thank you, Debbie Lindblom alindblom@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:49:13 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Robert A. " <> Subject: Re: New client test Debbie: I have never taken an indexing test. Usually, the client has sent guidelines if any exist. I have, however, taken proofreading tests. Never an indexing test. Let me know how it turns out. Rob P.S.: You might want to find out what they pay before taking the test. After all, if their rates are too low, why bother? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 14:45:51 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jan C. Wright" Subject: Re: New client test In-Reply-To: <199811232242.RAA12746@camel10.mindspring.com> I just finished one for a potential client - you are lucky, I had 24 hours to do 13 pages. No problem, but what if I had been really pushing a deadline when it arrived? As I recall, over the last 8 years, I have had to take two other tests to establish myself with a client. Both worked out just fine, but it is a rare process. Usually samples are all that are asked for. Jan Wright At 05:38 PM 11/23/98 EST, you wrote: >Hi everyone: > >I have been marketing my indexing services for a few months and am getting a >better response, more quickly, than I had anticipated. I recently contacted a >publisher that requires prospective indexers to take an indexing test. The >test is to index a chapter from one of their already published books. The test >they sent me is a 37-page chapter, about 400 words/page. They want it returned >in a week. > >Have any of you taken this kind of a test to get a client? Do you recommend >it? > >Thank you, >Debbie Lindblom >alindblom@aol.com > +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Wright Information Indexing Services http://www.wrightinformation.com +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:55:29 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dawn Spencer Subject: Re: New client test In a message dated 11/23/98 2:51:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, ALINDBLOM@AOL.COM writes: << Have any of you taken this kind of a test to get a client? >> There is at least one publisher of computer books that requires a test in order to be added to their pool of indexers. Dawn Spencer CHOICE INDEXING indexlady@aol.com http://members.aol.com/indexlady/ --------------- Coordinator of the Tennessee Regional Group of the American Society of Indexers tennwords@aol.com http://members.aol.com/tennwords/home.html --------------- author of the Indexing topic at Suite 101 http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/indexing (NEW URL) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:00:15 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Seth A. Maislin" Subject: Re: New client test In-Reply-To: "Jan C. Wright" "Re: New client test" (Nov 23, 2:45pm) I will not complete an indexing test unless I am compensated for my time. (That sounds kind of harsh written like that, doesn't it? :) I will provide samples of past work, I'll give references, and I will talk on the phone, but I do not have the time to perform tests without compensation. Usually the test is just a trial period anyway, so that I can index one chapter and they can gauge my progress and skill before committing themselves to having me index the entire work. Harsh though it may sound, this policy has always worked well with my clients, and I've no complaints. I always ask myself this: If I wanted to hire a plumber, what could I expect? I suppose I feel that I should be treated just as professionally as I would treat a plumber. I expect the plumber to have the right tools, to demonstrate proficiency, to provide references as needed, and to give me an accurate estimate of how much the project will cost. Notice there is no negotiation process or test! Now, granted, indexing is not plumbing. But I always found the bargaining process of bidding for a project to be tiresome. I know what I'm worth, and that's what I charge. There is still a lot of room for negotiation when it comes to identifying the needs of the client, estimating my ability to meet a deadline, reprioritizing my time, and developing a set of benchmarks and guidelines for the entire project. As I remember hearing once years ago: "Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two." :-) There's always room to negotiate. - Seth -- Seth A. Maislin (seth@oreilly.com) O'Reilly & Associates Focus Information Services 90 Sherman Street 89 Grove Street Cambridge MA 02140 Watertown MA 02472-2826 <--new zip (617) 499-7439 phone (617) 818-1885 (617) 661-1116 facsimile smaislin@world.std.com URL: http://www.oreilly.com/~seth ICQ# 16652316 co-webmaster, Amer Soc of Indexers: http://www.asindexing.org webmaster, STC Indexing SIG: http://www.stc.org/pics/indexing ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:01:43 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "William G. Meisheid" Subject: Touching base Jan, Since we are both going to be in Seattle for WinWriters I was wondering if we could get together for dinner one night (on me). I am currently coming in Friday evening, have a RoboHELP commitment for Saturday and Sunday daytime and the the conference Mon-Wed. I will be leaving on Thursday morning. ________________________________________________ William Meisheid "Thoughts still and always in progress" WUGNET/Help Authoring Forum Sysop & Microsoft MVP Certified Baltimore/Washington area RoboHELP Training Sageline Publishing 410.465.2040 Fax: 410.465.1812 http://www.sageline.com wgm@sageline.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:06:06 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: New client test We don't have indexing tests specifically here, but we do have legal analyst tests. Of course, we have an in-house training program for indexers, so we don't necessarily expect to hire people with that kind of experience. I don't think it's such an unusual idea. -- Sharon W. x7255 Rm. 223 Sharon.Wright@Lexis-Nexis.com >-----Original Message----- >From: Debra Lindblom [SMTP:ALINDBLOM@AOL.COM] >Sent: Monday, November 23, 1998 5:38 PM >To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L >Subject: Re: New client test > >Hi everyone: > >I have been marketing my indexing services for a few months and am getting a >better response, more quickly, than I had anticipated. I recently contacted a >publisher that requires prospective indexers to take an indexing test. The >test is to index a chapter from one of their already published books. The >test >they sent me is a 37-page chapter, about 400 words/page. They want it >returned >in a week. > >Have any of you taken this kind of a test to get a client? Do you recommend >it? > >Thank you, >Debbie Lindblom >alindblom@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:32:20 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "William G. Meisheid" Subject: Re: Touching base Accept my apologies for accidentally sending a private email to the list. It even happens to us old line technicians. ________________________________________________ William Meisheid "Thoughts still and always in progress" WUGNET/Help Authoring Forum Sysop & Microsoft MVP Certified Baltimore/Washington area RoboHELP Training Sageline Publishing 410.465.2040 Fax: 410.465.1812 http://www.sageline.com wgm@sageline.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:30:19 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: New client test In-Reply-To: <199811232242.RAA12344@camel10.mindspring.com> At 05:38 PM 11/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >Have any of you taken this kind of a test to get a client? Such tests are not uncommon. >Do you recommend it? If the client insists, yes. Dick Evans ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 20:23:44 -0500 Reply-To: "Maxine M. Okazaki" Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Maxine M. Okazaki" Subject: Re: New client test One publisher I contacted told me that indexers who don't have very much experience in the subject matter of their books, are asked to index a sample chapter using their index style guide. It was 20 pages with approximately 800 words/page. I completed the sample index and received positive feedback from the publisher. Within one month, I was offered a book to index. So, by all means, especially if you are starting out, show them what you can do! I understand why experienced indexers would balk at such a request. Maxine M. Okazaki mokazaki@acpub.duke.edu >Have any of you taken this kind of a test to get a client? Do you recommend >it? > >Thank you, >Debbie Lindblom >alindblom@aol.com > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:07:24 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rick Hurd Subject: Re: How Dragon's "Naturally Speaking" Software Can Help Your Marr... A website that can be beneficial to those who use Dragon's Naturally Speaking software can be found at http://idt.net/~edrose19/page7.html. Rick Hurd, Rick's Indexing, 2125 Birmingham Rd. Liberty Mo. 64068 USA URL: http://members.aol.com/Find884344/Page2.index.html Phone/Fax: 816-781-9042 ICQ NO: 10752175 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 22:37:03 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: PDepri5514@AOL.COM Subject: Re: New client test Debbie With this test on indexing---is the publisher saying that you will definetly get the job of you perform satisfactorily on the exam? Patrick. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 22:47:36 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Debra Lindblom Subject: Re: New client test In a message dated 11/23/98 10:46:07 PM EST, PDepri5514@AOL.COM writes: << Debbie With this test on indexing---is the publisher saying that you will definetly get the job of you perform satisfactorily on the exam? Patrick. >> I don't get that impression. Debbie ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:17:04 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Indexing--Is It The Right Choice? In-Reply-To: <199811220503.XAA02826@mixcom.mixcom.com> >What exactly is copy editing? It is line-by-line editing of someone's writing for grammar, typos, spelling, style, consistency, tone, and so on. It requires a very good eye, good language skills, diplomacy, and knowledge of style guidelines and copy editors' marks. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer http://www.mixweb.com/Roberts.Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:14:14 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Indexing--Is It The Right Choice? In-Reply-To: <199811220503.XAA02826@mixcom.mixcom.com> >Carol, I'm very interested in working with university presses on a >part-time basis. Could you give me any marketing tips? I'm just >beginning my indexing education but hope to be up and running in 6 >months. Thanks. > >Rebecca R. Oops, I just replied to Rebecca off-list, but the gist of my reply was for her to wait until she was sufficiently trained to produce a quality index (on time) and then to send letters to editors (or call). I'm afraid I don't think it would accomplish much to write to editors and tell them that you will be an indexer in 6 months. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer http://www.mixweb.com/Roberts.Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:19:40 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: "sharing" commercial software (was: How Dragon's "Naturally Speaking"...) In-Reply-To: <199811220503.XAA02826@mixcom.mixcom.com> >Very true, although a crime that's seldom punished ; BUT many software >publishers, if you ask them nicely, will give you permission to give your >old software to charities or schools. WordPerfect had and perhaps still has >this program. The one time I looked for someone to give my old version to, >though, I was completely unable to find anyone who wanted it! > >Kate Welsh Absolutely! Kate, thanks for reminding me about that. Grolier graciously allowed me to donate my old version of the CD-ROM encyclopedia to the local elementary school. It's always worth asking. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer http://www.mixweb.com/Roberts.Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:29:21 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Indexing--Is It The Right Choice? In-Reply-To: <199811240505.XAA27563@mixcom.mixcom.com> >Isn't it the same as proofreading, but you must know certain styles, and >standard proofing symbols for >markup? No, copyediting isn't the same as proofing. When you proofread, you are checking to see whether a later version of the text has incorporated changes marked on an earlier version; or sometimes it means looking for simple errors, such as typos, capitalization, etc. So a proofreader isn't really supposed to be tinkering with the text. The copy editor, OTOH, is. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer http://www.mixweb.com/Roberts.Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 01:41:36 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: New client test In-Reply-To: <199811240505.XAA27563@mixcom.mixcom.com> In principle, I don't see anything wrong with the publisher's asking you to take a test or in your taking it. Different "employers" have different methods of judging whether a candidate is likely to be able to complete the work. When you're new, it's not always so easy to establish your credentials, so passing a test is a way of getting your foot in the door. I myself have never been asked to take an indexing test (copyediting yes, indexing no), but I wouldn't have objected to it. Once you have a good list of books you've indexed, sending that and a sample or two should be enough. In other words, you shouldn't have to take a test for every new client, thank goodness. Nowadays, I wouldn't take a test, simply because it isn't worth my time (i.e., I don't need new clients quite the way I did when I was starting out). Good luck with the test. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer http://www.mixweb.com/Roberts.Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:56:06 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Laurence Errington Subject: Backups And Kamm Schreiner writes: >Another thing... I never backup program files. It only takes a few minutes >to restore programs from their original disks. Finally, I don't back up the >operating system either. In all the years I've used computers I have only >had to reinstall the operating system once. It was a royal pain, but not bad >enough that I want to spend the extra time and use the extra disk space >required to back it up. And Ann Truesdale replied.......... Yes, in theory this is true. But in my experience it is a nightmare. You load Office95, but then what about that patch? Back to the MS website. And all those settings you got tweaked just right? Let me see - *how* did I get rid of that pesky smirking paperclip? Then there is WinZip which was downloaded from the 'net - did I put that onto floppies? If so, what about the upgrade version? And where oh where did I write down my regis. info? And then Quicken: I have customer & regis. nos. written down, but they won't work - and the program is saying it will self destruct after 3 more uses. Call Quicken - yes, you have to get a *new* number every time you reload the program. Honest! Well, you get the idea. I back up the whoooole deal every so often now! Laurence Errington (who backs up on to tape and asked how to restore if your whole system crashes and needs a complete installation)......... I couldn't agree more with Ann Truesdale. Everyone talks about data files as if they are just your documents, indexes etc. but in reality there all these data files (among them, some of them called *.dat for God's sake) which contain all the information from the time you spent configuring your individual programs so they behave just as you like. Like my internet service provider, who asked me to put loads of meaningless numbers into various parts of my program so I could use dial up networking, tweaking my fax modem software, all those macros in your various wordprocessors and so on. Whilst your talking about data, I hope you all have your default.* from Macrex (and whatever equivalent files you have in Cindex), for each of your publishers (naturally all their own individual subdirectories so you don't have to keep reconstructing them), backed up. That's why I like the idea of tape, but I want to know how to use it the day I need it. Lastly, the complaint about the time backups take. I don't understand this. I backup the whole of my disc once a fortnight (in between I'm always regularly backing up data files like indexes to floppy), and then it's done at the end of the day anyway. You press a few buttons and come back a few hours later. Whilst it's running you can't use a floppy drive, and I prefer not to use the PC at all then as I want to get a perfect COMPARE when it checks the backup tape against the disc, but hey, it's Friday night. If you really want to work on your PC, run it overnight. -- Dr Laurence Errington 15 Kirkhill Terrace, Edinburgh, Scotland, EH16 5DQ Tel: 0044-(0)131-667-5406 Fax: 0044-(0)131-667-5406 (9-7pm GMT weekdays only) E-Mail: laurence@errington-index.demon.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:02:34 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barczak, Jessie" Subject: Re: Indexing--Is It The Right Choice? Great! that clears it for me. Now I know what the definitions are. It's interesting how some meanings of words get mixed up with usage. MJB > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Roberts [SMTP:Carol.Roberts@MIXCOM.COM] > Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 1:29 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: Indexing--Is It The Right Choice? > > >Isn't it the same as proofreading, but you must know certain styles, and > >standard proofing symbols for > >markup? > > No, copyediting isn't the same as proofing. When you proofread, you are > checking to see whether a later version of the text has incorporated > changes marked on an earlier version; or sometimes it means looking for > simple errors, such as typos, capitalization, etc. So a proofreader isn't > really supposed to be tinkering with the text. The copy editor, OTOH, is. > > Cheers, > > > Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My > Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. > Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer > http://www.mixweb.com/Roberts.Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 06:20:09 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pam Rider Subject: index to come? This weekend's "Booknotes" on C-Span had Brian Lamb interviewing the author of a book on the Ruandan genocide _I regret To Inform You. . . . _. Lamb noted that there is no Contents or Index in the book. As there are no chapter titles, the author does not believe Contents is needed. He said there is currently no index because he had intended the nonfiction work for general readership and not necessarily as a scholarly work. Because of feedback (unspecified) the author intends that future versions will have an index. Good call. But, long before I ever did an index, I used them extensively as a general reader. I was nonplussed to hear that it was assumed an index is only needed for academic research. Pam Rider Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth prider@electriciti.com prider@tsktsk.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:57:47 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barbara Cohen Subject: Message for C. Sherayko Carolyn, I tried sending a response back to you, but your ISP bounced it back to me as undeliverable. Send me you mailing address and I will mail it. Or give me a fax number and I will fax it to you. I'm not sure why the message wasn't accepted, since I didn't even retype your name (just auto-responded)--so it isn't a typo. Must be some other problem. Sorry. Barbara ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:15:27 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sandi Schroeder Subject: Mutual of Omaha reply regarding insurance This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BE178A.F970D680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brian Stedl, the agent who helped set up the ASI insurance plan has = asked me to post the following: Point #1 Rob states that Mutual of Omaha takes your money and invests it to make = interest while you just get the write-off. He is absolutely correct on = part of this, MoO does invest the money and earn interest. That is how = they are able to pay the claims. Which by the way, they pay out over $60 = billion a week in claims. The part about getting only a write-off is so grossly incorrect that I = fear some families will think that they should go without health = insurance. It is true that as a self-employed individual you are allowed = to write off part of your premium, but there is so much more to this. = Let's say after paying your premium for 18 months at the rate of $150.00 = per month, you are involved in a car accident. You have a broken leg, = some busted ribs, and a concussion. After staying in the hospital for = three days and undergoing some rehab for a couple of weeks, you find a = bill for $12,789 from the hospital. Bottom line is this. You pay $2700 = in premiums, $1000 deductible, and $1500 in co-pay. The total paid by = you is $5200 and MoO paid $10m289. For our economist friend, that is a = return of just under 200% in 18 months. If you can supply the name of an = investment that is doing that well, please do so. Insurance is protection against a major disaster in your life that = could wipe you out. It is not an investment. If you looked at insurance = as an investment, you would never insure your house. You only do it = because the bank makes you. In the planning I do with my clients in WI, = we work toward self-insurance. you start out the first year with a = $1500 deductible and also contribute the maximum to a Medical Savings = Account (MSA). The contribution to the MSA is fully deductible. Get the = details from your MoO representative. Then in the second year, we may = increase the deductible because the MSA has accumulated enough money to = cover the deductible. Every year we examine the numbers and decide on a = new deductible. There is one client with MoO that now carries a $10,000 = deductible and pays next to nothing for the policy. Point #2 Rob states there are other plans out there that will do better. Again, = he is correct on part of this. Every insurance company in America has = good years and bad years on health insurance. As a self-employed = individual, you should get quotes every year. Be cautious for the = companies that seem like a great deal. Check their ratings, find out how = long they have been in business, and ask for references from the = representative that visits you. Your rep is the best link you have to = the company. For some members of ASI, health insurance will not be = available to you because you live in a state that MoO is not = participating in. The MoO major medical plan is very comprehensive and = will protect you in time of need. It is extremely important to find a representative that you can trust = and one that you feel is working in your best interest. In working with = Sandi on setting this up, it was the goal to offer the same insurance = and investment products available to members of STC to the members of = ASI. Some of you joined STC just to get these benefits. The group = benefits became available because I did some planning with a member of = STC that was a member of ASI and she put me in contact with Sandi. As far as profits go, I want to share this with you. I am a district = sales manager in WI and have not received any income from setting up = this group. The company has invested thousands of dollars in mailings, = brochures, and the web to make this coverage available to you. I checked = a couple of weeks ago to see what the sales numbers were, and I can = assure you that we have not made a profit on this year. I certainly hope = that the future will be different. I want to thank all of you for your comments and questions, and I = encourage all of you to e-mail me at Brianstedl@aol.com if I can be of = further assistance. If there are enough questions on similar subjects, I = will write a response to Sandi and she can post it for me. Have a great day!!! Brian ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BE178A.F970D680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Brian Stedl, the agent who helped = set up the ASI=20 insurance plan has asked me to post the following:
 
Point #1
Rob states that Mutual of Omaha = takes your money=20 and invests it to make interest while you just get the write-off. He is=20 absolutely correct on part of this, MoO does invest the money and earn = interest.=20 That is how they are able to pay the claims. Which by the way, they pay = out over=20 $60 billion a week in claims.
 
The part about getting only a = write-off is so=20 grossly incorrect that I fear some families will think that they should = go=20 without health insurance. It is true that as a self-employed individual = you are=20 allowed to write off part of your premium, but there is so much more to = this.=20 Let's say after paying your premium for 18 months at the rate of $150.00 = per=20 month, you are involved in a car accident. You have a broken leg, some = busted=20 ribs, and a concussion. After staying in the hospital for three days and = undergoing some rehab for a couple of weeks, you find a bill for $12,789 = from=20 the hospital. Bottom line is this. You pay $2700 in premiums, $1000 = deductible,=20 and $1500 in co-pay. The total paid by you is $5200 and MoO paid = $10m289. For=20 our economist friend, that is a return of just under 200% in 18 months. = If you=20 can supply the name of an investment that is doing that well, please do=20 so.
 
Insurance is protection against a = major=20 disaster  in your life that could  wipe you out. It is not an=20 investment. If you looked at insurance as an investment, you would never = insure=20 your house. You only do it because the bank makes you. In the planning I = do with=20 my clients in WI, we work toward self-insurance.  you start out the = first=20 year with a $1500 deductible and also contribute the maximum to a = Medical=20 Savings Account (MSA). The contribution to the MSA is fully deductible. = Get the=20 details from your MoO representative. Then in the second year, we may = increase=20 the deductible because the MSA has accumulated enough money to cover the = deductible.  Every year we examine the numbers and decide on a new=20 deductible. There is one client with MoO that now carries a $10,000 = deductible=20 and pays next to nothing for the policy.
 
Point #2
Rob states there are other plans out = there that=20 will do better. Again, he is correct on part of this. Every insurance = company in=20 America has good years and bad years on health insurance. As a = self-employed=20 individual, you should get quotes every year. Be cautious for the = companies that=20 seem like a great deal. Check their ratings, find out how long they have = been in=20 business, and ask for references from the representative that visits = you. Your=20 rep is the best link you have to the company. For some members of ASI, = health=20 insurance will not be available to you because you live in a state that = MoO is=20 not participating in. The MoO major medical plan is very comprehensive = and will=20 protect you in time of need.
 
It is extremely important to find a=20 representative that you can trust and one that you feel is working in = your best=20 interest. In working with Sandi on setting this up, it was the goal to = offer the=20 same insurance and investment products available to members of STC to = the=20 members of ASI. Some of you joined STC just to get these benefits. The = group=20 benefits became available because I did some planning with a member of = STC that=20 was a member of ASI and she put me in contact with Sandi.
 
As far as profits go, I want to = share this with=20 you. I am a district sales manager in WI and have not received any = income from=20 setting up this group. The company has invested thousands of dollars in=20 mailings, brochures, and the web to make this coverage available to you. = I=20 checked a couple of weeks ago to see what the sales numbers were, and I = can=20 assure you that we have not made a profit on this year. I certainly hope = that=20 the future will be different.
 
I want to thank all of you for your = comments and=20 questions, and I encourage all of you to e-mail me at Brianstedl@aol.com if I can be of = further=20 assistance. If there are enough questions on similar subjects, I will = write a=20 response to Sandi and she can post it for me.
 
Have a great day!!!=20 Brian
------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BE178A.F970D680-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:57:20 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Backups In-Reply-To: <199811241103.GAA31537@camel26.mindspring.com> At 08:56 AM 11/24/98 +0000, you wrote: > >I couldn't agree more with Ann Truesdale. Everyone talks about data >files as if they are just your documents, indexes etc. but in reality >there all these data files (among them, some of them called *.dat for >God's sake) which contain all the information from the time you spent >configuring your individual programs so they behave just as you like. Ditto. I would truly like to keep all my "data" files in My Documents, but what about all the application files that are not obviously data files? For instance, Quicken uses several files for data and configuraiton. If I could identify all of them I could conceivably move them to My Documents, but then I would have to reconfigure Quicken to tell it where they are. Same story for any number of other applications: Eudora mail boxes and address lists, ISP configuration info, etc. I use tape backup. It runs automatically every morning at 1:00am. On Sunday morning I begin with a full backup, then for the rest of the week just backup the files that have changed. I use a 3-tape rotation so I always have one in the machine and two weeks worth in reserve. This has been invaluable in restoring the odd file or directory, but I have to admit that it has never served me well in the need for a complete system restoration. There is always some quirk involved that defeats the effort. For instance, I bought a new system last year and wanted to migrate the old system to the new one. Unfortunately, the old system had four partitions and the new system only one. On top of that, the old system used Colorado Backup and the new one used Seagate. In spite of assurances from the dealer, the two were incompatible so I couldn't even pick individual files off the old tape. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:53:42 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lynn Moncrief Subject: Re: New client test In-Reply-To: <199811232242.OAA03245@mail-gw6.pacbell.net> At 17:38 11/23/98 EST, Debbie wrote: >Hi everyone: > >I have been marketing my indexing services for a few months and am getting a >better response, more quickly, than I had anticipated. I recently contacted a >publisher that requires prospective indexers to take an indexing test. The >test is to index a chapter from one of their already published books. The test >they sent me is a 37-page chapter, about 400 words/page. They want it returned >in a week. > >Have any of you taken this kind of a test to get a client? Do you recommend >it? Hi Debbie, Once a publisher asked me to take an indexing test and I refused. I'm not into spending that amount of unpaid time without any guarantee that it would be worth my while. (Plus, this publisher of computer books didn't pay enough for me to bend over backward to try to get them as a client.) However, if you're just starting out and know for sure that the book has been actually published, it may not be a bad idea to take the test. The reason it's important to know that the book has actually been published is to prevent an unscrupulous publisher from asking freelancers to compile indexes from different chapters "as a test", then ripping off their unpaid work as an index to the book. Maybe I'm too cynical. ;-D Lynn *********************************** Lynn Moncrief (techndex@pacbell.net) TECHindex & Docs Technical and Scientific Indexing *********************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:57:28 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lynn Moncrief Subject: Re: Backups In-Reply-To: <199811241104.DAA01425@mail-gw3.pacbell.net> Hi everyone, I put patches, downloaded executables, etc. on a Zip disk. Having had to reinstall all of my software more than once due to Win98 disasters, this comes in handy. Lynn *********************************** Lynn Moncrief (techndex@pacbell.net) TECHindex & Docs Technical and Scientific Indexing *********************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:39:02 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Robert A. " <> Subject: Re: Mutual of Omaha reply regarding insurance Sandi: Thank you for the additional information on insurance. Rob ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:40:48 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Debra Lindblom Subject: Re: New client test In a message dated 11/23/98 5:51:29 PM EST, writes: << Debbie: I have never taken an indexing test. Usually, the client has sent guidelines if any exist. I have, however, taken proofreading tests. Never an indexing test. Let me know how it turns out. Rob P.S.: You might want to find out what they pay before taking the test. After all, if their rates are too low, why bother? >> Thank you Rob, and everyone else for your replies to my question about taking a test for a prospective client. This situation has a surprise ending for me. I took Rob's suggestion and asked them for their page rate. Their answer: $1.30/page. Needless to say, I will pass. It is not that their books are easy, in fact quite the opposite. The subjects are complex, requiring subheads, and often sub-subs. They want very detailed indexes. Once again, all of you on Index-L have been very helpful. With appreciation, Debbie Lindblom alindblom@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 08:43:02 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Robin Hilp Subject: Re: New client test Those of you who have taken an indexing test for a potential client -- are you able to keep the test and publisher's feedback, for your portfolio? == RolyBear ICQ 1863181 (Robin Hilp) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:16:53 -0500 Reply-To: kamm@sky-software.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kamm Y. Schreiner" Subject: Re: Backups In-Reply-To: <199811241554.KAA12779@mx05.erols.com> Dick Evans wrote: << This has been invaluable in restoring the odd file or directory, but I have to admit that it has never served me well in the need for a complete system restoration. There is always some quirk involved that defeats the effort. For instance, I bought a new system last year and wanted to migrate the old system to the new one. Unfortunately, the old system had four partitions and the new system only one. On top of that, the old system used Colorado Backup and the new one used Seagate. In spite of assurances from the dealer, the two were incompatible so I couldn't even pick individual files off the old tape. >> Dick, This has been my experience in the past too. I used to use tape for backups, but usually found restoring impossible or more difficult than simply reinstalling the programs. That's one of the reasons I back up to a hard drive now - without compression and don't bother to back up programs or the operating system. The backups are *extremely* fast and restoration is as easy as it could possibly be. Hard drives are so inexpensive these days that it just simply makes sense to use a second drive for backups. I would, however, recommend that anyone who decides to use a hard drive for backups also use a secondary method periodically such as tape or CD-R. Every month when I back up to CD-R, I completely erase the backups on my secondary hard drive and start fresh. If I didn't do this, my second hard drive would eventually run out of space because files that get deleted on my main hard drive don't automatically get deleted on my secondary hard drive. I just checked the size of my "My Documents" directory and it contains very close to 400 Meg of data. This is data only mind you. Because I backup to CD-R and never throw out the old CD's, I can even safely delete files that I *think* I don't need anymore. I shudder to think about how large my "My Documents" directory would be if I didn't. Whew! If anything should be take from this thread it is that backups are VERY VERY important. Whatever approach you choose - you should do them and do them religiously! Oh yea, several people have mentioned the problem in restoring *program configuration* files if you don't back up everything. This is absolutely true. However, you have to weigh the time required to perform backups *and* restore from them with the inconvenience of having to redo all of your program settings. For me, since I personally very rarely experience computer problems that require me to reinstall software, I choose not to bother. The few times that I've had to do it were admittedly a pain, but not bad enough that I want to backup several Gig of data monthly and several Meg daily. Again, this is all personal preference. Well, back to productive work... Happy Indexing! Sincerely, Kamm Schreiner SKY Software 6016 Oxpen Ct, #303 Alexandria, VA 22315 email: kamm@sky-software.com web: http://www.sky-software.com phone: 800-776-0137 or 703-921-9472 fax: 703-921-9472 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:02:20 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kate Welsh Subject: Re: Backups I've seen lots of good advice on the backups, but I don't think anyone has mentioned the importance of keeping your backups OFF SITE. If you keep them onsite, then you're fine if the only problem is that your hard drive fails or your file(s) become corrupted. But WHAT IF the problem is that someone has stolen all your computer equipment, including any media they saw lying around, or if you've had a fire and your whole office has gone up in smoke? I do a full hard drive backup once a week, and put that tape in the glove box of my husband's car, which is in secured parking garage weekdays, and in our detached garage nights and weekends. If something happens to it, I'll still have my other two tapes. I rotate three tapes, but I realise from the correspondence here that I should also be making sure that I get new tapes once in a while. (Did anyone say how old a tape can be, or how often you can reliably use it?) I also copy all the files relating to each project to a separate diskette. I suppose I should also keep my original program CDs & disks off site... Kate Kate Welsh, BA(English), LLB Indexing - Research - Substantive editing - Stylistic editing - Writing Briefs - Legal materials - Manuals - Plain language materials - Policies ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:43:34 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: Backups At 11:02 AM 11/24/1998 -0700, Kate Welsh wrote: >I've seen lots of good advice on the backups, but I don't think anyone has >mentioned the importance of keeping your backups OFF SITE. I don't keep my main backups offsite, but for years I've made periodic copies (on floppies) of important jobs and given them to a friend or relative to keep at their house...just in case. I work occasionally for a small educational publisher in my town, and she had a breakin at her business several years ago. The thieves stole not only the computers, but all the disks and CDs containing her backups and all the files on the books she publishes. This caused a terrible problem, as you can imagine. I think I should start storing a copy of my main backups offsite...but I think I'll continue to keep my CDs of original software here at home. If I need one at 2 AM, I don't want to have to call my mother! If those are stolen or destroyed, the worst that can happen is that I would have to buy new ones. The data I generate cannot be replaced so easily. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:54:48 -0500 Reply-To: kamm@sky-software.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kamm Y. Schreiner" Subject: Re: Backups In-Reply-To: <199811241837.NAA17271@mx04.erols.com> Kate wrote: << I've seen lots of good advice on the backups, but I don't think anyone has mentioned the importance of keeping your backups OFF SITE. >> Wow! What a good point. I am lucky enough to have my mother only 3 miles away, so I can give her a backup disk once in a while. Unfortunately, I have not made this a faithful practice - and I should! You also wrote: << I do a full hard drive backup once a week, and put that tape in the glove box of my husband's car... >> It's good to keep a backup off site, but I'm not sure a car's glove box is the best place to keep it. Severe heat and humidity are not friends of magnetic tape - or other magnetic media for that matter. You might want to try to find a friend that is willing to keep a tape for you. Finally, you also wrote: << I suppose I should also keep my original program CDs & disks off site... >> Maybe not. The chances are soooo slim that your disks will be stolen or succumb to a disaster, that you may want to simply keep your receipts and registration numbers in a safety deposit box so that you have proof of purchase. That is probably all you'll need to get replacement disks. Your insurance *might* cover the replacement cost too. Happy Indexing, Kamm SKY Software 6016 Oxpen Ct, #303 Alexandria, VA 22315 email: kamm@sky-software.com web: http://www.sky-software.com phone: 800-776-0137 or 703-921-9472 fax: 703-921-9472 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:19:46 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sandra Topping Subject: Re: Backups This may be apocryphal, but... Nearly 15 years ago, I heard of a grad student who kept the disk with the latest version of his thesis in the refrigerator. His apartment burned -- everything was toast. However, when he was allowed in to look for his belongings, he found the disk in perfect condition in the refrigerator. Sandy "No matter where you go, there you are." (Buckaroo Banzai) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:42:57 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: ISO 999 I have no feeling for Academia in the UK; I live in Berkeley. The Berkeley Public Library would not have one, and Oakland more than likely not. The Engineering Library on the UC campus would be my first source to check. You might try calling the ISO itself for sources, or even [gasp] BUY a copy. Cheers, Dave Talcott ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:09:42 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LLFEdServ@AOL.COM Subject: Harrisburg, PA versus Atlanta, GA relocation questions Hi all, it's me again. As much as I try to stay in CA, circumstances beyond my control are trying to push me back east. Anyone living near these two areas, if you would please take a moment to email me privately and let me know what you think of the area, what it's like, schools, house rentals, etc. I would ever so appreciate it. Thanks Leslie Frank Frank Words Indexing and Editing ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:21:01 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barczak, Jessie" Subject: Re: Harrisburg, PA versus Atlanta, GA relocation questions Well, I have not lived in Harrisburg but I have lived in Erie, PA (far to the West) and I have lived in Atlanta. Both places are relatively inexpensive to live but that depends on what you are used to. If you are interested in buying a house, the Atlanta real estate marked is booming and a good sized affordable free standing house is not out of the question ... say from $75 to $100K?? Harrisburg is up there, up north and is not what you would call a metropolitan town. It is blue collar for the most part, but it is the capital of the state so you do have your bureaucrats and state politicos and lawyers, etc. And, of course, the illustrious Governor of Pa Mr. Tom Ridge (a friend of my family). As far as indexing work, with modern telecommunciation the way it is, I would say you can live anywhere and prosper. Atlanta, I must add, is the South, the deep South, even though many poeple who live there are from "somewhere else." It is land-locked, there is no ocean close by but Savannah and other coastal regions are about a day's trip away. It is unbearably hot most of the year; you may or may not enjoy that. There is an abundance of trees. There is also an abundance of foul weather, i.e. tornadoes. That was one factor that scared me away right quick. With all those trees and many people living amongst them, a few hundred homes were demolished just last season. Be forewarned. Oh, the traffic. the bad drivers. If you want a good idea of how Atlanta "buzzes" read Tom Wolfe's new book A Man in Full. That, ritchere, is wot 'sall 'bouwt. Until tom Wolfe writes a book about Harrisburg ... maybe you should check out local newspapers, what they cover, how they cover it, is there an alternative press, get on the web and check out Harrisburg. com or whatever. Good luck! M. Jessie Barczak Research Analyst Powell Tate Washington 202-434-8533 jbarczak@washington.com > -----Original Message----- > From: LLFEdServ@AOL.COM [SMTP:LLFEdServ@AOL.COM] > Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 3:10 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Harrisburg, PA versus Atlanta, GA relocation questions > > Hi all, it's me again. As much as I try to stay in CA, circumstances > beyond my > control are trying to push me back east. Anyone living near these two > areas, > if you would please take a moment to email me privately and let me know > what > you think of the area, what it's like, schools, house rentals, etc. I > would > ever so appreciate it. > Thanks > Leslie Frank > Frank Words Indexing and Editing ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:07:04 -0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Headley Subject: Re: ISO 999 From Christine Headley I probably will buy a copy. However, I very much doubt that anyone would let me have it 'on approval', so I want to check it out via the inter-library lending scheme to make sure that it really is worth the money. But then I have to take the library-wrecking three-year-old along with me while I fill out the form, so if they are going to laugh me into the street I'd rather not do that either. Christine Stroud, Glos -----Original Message----- From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Date: 24 November 1998 19:47 Subject: ISO 999 >I have no feeling for Academia in the UK; I live in Berkeley. > >The Berkeley Public Library would not have one, and Oakland more >than likely not. The Engineering Library on the UC campus would be >my first source to check. > >You might try calling the ISO itself for sources, or even [gasp] >BUY a copy. > >Cheers, >Dave Talcott > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:23:53 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kate Welsh Subject: Re: Junior "assistants" (was ISO 999) Christine Headly wrote But then I have to take the library-wrecking three-year-old along with me while I fill out the form You have my empathy, Christine... I have one of those, too, only he's 20 months old! Kate Kate Welsh, BA(English), LLB Indexing - Research - Substantive editing - Stylistic editing - Writing Briefs - Legal materials - Manuals - Plain language materials - Policies -----Original Message----- From: Indexer's Discussion Group [mailto:INDEX-L@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU]On Behalf Of Christine Headley Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 1:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Subject: Re: ISO 999 From Christine Headley I probably will buy a copy. However, I very much doubt that anyone would let me have it 'on approval', so I want to check it out via the inter-library lending scheme to make sure that it really is worth the money. But then I have to take the library-wrecking three-year-old along with me while I fill out the form, so if they are going to laugh me into the street I'd rather not do that either. Christine Stroud, Glos -----Original Message----- From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Date: 24 November 1998 19:47 Subject: ISO 999 >I have no feeling for Academia in the UK; I live in Berkeley. > >The Berkeley Public Library would not have one, and Oakland more >than likely not. The Engineering Library on the UC campus would be >my first source to check. > >You might try calling the ISO itself for sources, or even [gasp] >BUY a copy. > >Cheers, >Dave Talcott > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:33:22 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kate Welsh Subject: Re: Backups Thanks, Kamm, that was all good advice. One bit made me laugh, though... you wrote: It's good to keep a backup off site, but I'm not sure a car's glove box is the best place to keep it. Severe heat and humidity are not friends of magnetic tape -- Did I ever mention that I live in Edmonton, Alberta? It's a rather northerly city where humidity is never a problem, and where we're _delighted_ if we get a bit of "severe heat." ...I'm not bitter, just resigned! Kidding aside, though, I probably should make an alternate plan for summer. It would be almost as handy if I just stashed the tapes at a friend's house. Cheers! Kate Kate Welsh, BA(English), LLB Indexing - Research - Substantive editing - Stylistic editing - Writing Briefs - Legal materials - Manuals - Plain language materials - Policies ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:07:40 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Monika Antonelli Subject: CALL FOR PAPERS CALL FOR PAPERS ******************************************************************************** *** The Research and Statistics Committee of the Management and Operation of User Services Section of RUSA is sponsoring its Fifth Annual Reference Research Forum at the 1999 American Library Association Annual Meeting in New Orleans. This is an opportunity to present and discuss your research project covering the broad area of reference services such as user behavior, electronic services, reference effectiveness and organization structure and personnel. Both completed research and research in progress will be considered. All researchers, including reference practitioners from all types of libraries, library school faculty and students, and other interested individuals are encouraged to submit a proposal. The Committee will utilize a "blind" review process to select a maximum of three (3) projects for 25-minute presentations, followed by open discussion. The selected researchers must present their papers in person at the forum. Criteria for selection are: * Significance of the study for improving the quality of reference service * Quality and creativity of the methodology * Potential for the research to fill a gap in reference knowledge or to build on previous studies * Previously published research or research accepted by December 1, 1998 for publication will not be acceptable. Please submit a one-page proposal by DECEMBER 1, 1998. Notification of acceptance will be made by March 15, 1999. Submissions must consist of no more than two pages. On the first page, please list your name(s), title(s), institutional affiliation, and address (including your mail address, fax number, and e-mail address). The second page should NOT show your name or any personal information. Instead it must include: * The title of your project * An explicit statement of the research problem * A description of the research methodology used * An explanation of the significance of the research to reference services Electronic submissions are acceptable and must also be delivered in two parts. Notification of acceptance will be made by March 15, 1999. Please send submissions to: Diana D. Shonrock, Chair RUSA MOUSS Research and Statistics Committee Iowa State University Library 152 Parks Library Ames IA 50011-2140 (515) 294-7866 (work); (515) 294-5525 (fax) shonrock@gwgate.lib.iastate.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:30:00 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: Backups At 02:19 PM 11/24/1998 EST, Sandra Topping wrote: >This may be apocryphal, but... Nearly 15 years ago, I heard of a grad student >who kept the disk with the latest version of his thesis in the refrigerator. >His apartment burned -- everything was toast. However, when he was allowed in >to look for his belongings, he found the disk in perfect condition in the >refrigerator. Whether that particular story is apocryphal or not, the refrigerator/freezer is "the" recommended place to store valuables that you don't want to burn up or be destroyed by heat (papers and money, for example). It's also a great place for inobvious hiding of small treasures so that burglars don't find them. A friend tells me that she keeps a fair amount of paper money in a plastic ziplock bag suitably disguised and labeled, "cookie dough," in her freezer and it's successfully passed the "burglar test" twice now. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:30:01 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: Harrisburg, PA versus Atlanta, GA relocation questions At 03:21 PM 11/24/1998 -0500, Barczak, Jessie wrote: >Both places are relatively inexpensive to live but that depends on what you >are used to. If you are interested in buying a house, the Atlanta real >estate marked is booming and a good sized affordable free standing house is >not out of the question ... say from $75 to $100K?? To a Californian, this sounds unbelievable. You can't even buy a double-seater outhouse in Sacramento for those prices! (Try upwards of $200,000 for a very modest 2- or 3-bedroom house.) >Atlanta, I must add, is the South, the deep South, even though many poeple >who live there are from "somewhere else." It is land-locked, there is no >ocean close by but Savannah and other coastal regions are about a day's trip >away. In its favor, I understand Atlanta is very cosmopolitan (especially for a deep-South city) and very integrated as well. It's got marvelous history and lots of cultural attractions; the weather probably isn't all that much worse than Sacto's except for the tornadoes. Cheap housing means you can afford to have air conditoning and a good storm cellar! If I were moving to that region, Atlanta would be near the top of my list of possibilities. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:10:50 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Harrisburg, PA versus Atlanta, GA relocation questions In-Reply-To: <199811250136.UAA28491@camel23.mindspring.com> On the plus side, Atlanta is booming and should be an easy place to find work. On the minus side, it has some of the worst traffic in the country and summers that will fry your brain. Harrisburg almost certainly has fewer job opportunities. The surrounding countryside is beautiful, if you like hills and rivers (Hburg is on the banks of the Susquehanna) but winters will be much colder than in Atlanta. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:15:11 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: PDepri5514@AOL.COM Subject: Hello/ Test Hello all; Im Patrick. I enjoy all the comments on the list. I have one question though. Are my emails getting through. I respond to postings and have never received an answer! Thanks all Patrick. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:25:50 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: klrsak Subject: Re: Harrisburg, PA versus Atlanta, GA relocation questions Atlanta - oh so sweet in the winter. Yeah, traffic bad. But worse, overall, in descending order: Manhatten, Seattle, Indianapolis, Houston, Dallas, Denver, maybe Portland. Chicago would list but that Interstates and highways are so well designed and drivers move steadily due to low speed limit. LA doesn't list for same engineering reason but also because they know how to drive in LA : fast (gone and done). Larry lacoG indexing 303 838 0274 klrsak@oneimage.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:27:07 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "J. Naomi Linzer" Subject: Re: Harrisburg, PA versus Atlanta, GA relocation questions In-Reply-To: <199811250207.SAA02181@neti.saber.net> Leslie Frank wrote: >> if you would please take a moment to email me privately and let me know I find this a nuisance when one responds to these queries to all of Index-L subscribers. Naomi ******************************************************************************** Ms. J. Naomi Linzer Indexing Services POB 1341 Redway, CA 95560 (707) 923-4361 jnlinzer@saber.net ******************************************************************************** ******* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 00:59:34 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin A. Broccoli" Subject: Re: Hello/ Test -----Original Message----- From: PDepri5514@AOL.COM To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 9:11 PM Subject: Hello/ Test >Hello all; > >Im Patrick. I enjoy all the comments on the list. >I have one question though. Are my emails getting through. I respond to >postings and have never received an answer! > >Thanks all > >Patrick Yes, you're e-mails are coming though ok. Welcome to the list! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:34:19 +1100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey and Glenda Browne Subject: Win 95 backup In-Reply-To: <04571042375878@domain1.bigpond.com> From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> >I understand that the Zip drive system is good for backup usage, but my knowledge of this system is scanty. My only impression is that it costs more than tape: the large-size cartridges are not cheap. >Windows95 Backup program. Accessible through Start-->Accessories--> Disk Tools-->Backup. This program seems to me unworkable and really obsolete. Too many restrictions on media and drive port assignments. Perhaps it will work for you, though it apparently will only work for TAPE media. I've used the Win 95 backup system successfully for two years, replacing a proprietary Colorado system which wouldn't do selective backups or restores unless you shelled out extra for the pro version - very mean-spirited! It has worked fine both with a Colorado tape drive and with a Zip disk. I'm not sure what other media could be involved here - burning a CD-ROM, perhaps? Jonathan =================================== Jonathan Jermey and Glenda Browne Indexing, PC Training, Web Page Authoring http://www.users.bigpond.com/Diagonal Diagonal@bigpond.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:09:40 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Janet Mazefsky Subject: Re: Hello/ Test Patrick - I tried to email you privately and got a message saying "member's mailbox is full." Janet ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:36:48 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barczak, Jessie" Subject: Re: Harrisburg, PA versus Atlanta, GA relocation questions BTW, I have been told that cellars are a rarity in some Atlanta neighborhoods (not all) just for your info ... > -----Original Message----- > From: Sonsie [SMTP:sconroy@SLONET.ORG] > Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 8:30 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: Harrisburg, PA versus Atlanta, GA relocation questions > > At 03:21 PM 11/24/1998 -0500, Barczak, Jessie wrote: > > >Both places are relatively inexpensive to live but that depends on what > you > >are used to. If you are interested in buying a house, the Atlanta real > >estate marked is booming and a good sized affordable free standing house > is > >not out of the question ... say from $75 to $100K?? > > To a Californian, this sounds unbelievable. You can't even buy a > double-seater outhouse in Sacramento for those prices! (Try upwards of > $200,000 for a very modest 2- or 3-bedroom house.) > > >Atlanta, I must add, is the South, the deep South, even though many > poeple > >who live there are from "somewhere else." It is land-locked, there is no > >ocean close by but Savannah and other coastal regions are about a day's > trip > >away. > > In its favor, I understand Atlanta is very cosmopolitan (especially for a > deep-South city) and very integrated as well. It's got marvelous history > and > lots of cultural attractions; the weather probably isn't all that much > worse > than Sacto's except for the tornadoes. Cheap housing means you can afford > to > have air conditoning and a good storm cellar! If I were moving to that > region, Atlanta would be near the top of my list of possibilities. > > =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:43:53 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Skuster Subject: Re: Harrisburg, PA versus Atlanta, GA relocation question In-Reply-To: <199811251336.IAA01455@library.lib.binghamton.edu> Please confine this discussion to private exchanges among interested parties. Thank you Charlotte Skuster Index-l moderator ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:03:00 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Brave, Claudia" Subject: Re: Harrisburg, PA versus Atlanta, GA relocation question I have to disagree with Jessie's statement below. (I'm replying to the group because so many people have already expressed some misconceptions about Atlanta. If you aren't interested just delete!) >If you are interested in buying a house, the Atlanta real >estate marked is booming and a good sized affordable free standing house is >not out of the question ... say from $75 to $100K?? Since the Olympics came to town, real estate prices have skyrocketed within Atlanta proper. Yes, you can get a house for $75-100K, but you have to commute 40-60 miles from outside the perimeter. We just sold my aunt's house, which had been accessed at $90K four years ago, for $200K! (She lived on the edge of the Buckhead district of Atlanta.) House rentals can run around $1000-$1500 for a decent house - you might as well buy. Traffic is horrible - forget the rules of the road, red lights and speed limits don't mean anything around here. But MARTA - our public transportation - is pretty good. Trains run from 5:30am to midnight and bus routes cover the city fairly well. I lived here for twelve years before I got a car and had no problems. I still ride the train to work because Turner pays for it because there's a shortage of parking spaces right now in our parking deck. The schools are good as long as you do a little research to make sure you pick a neighborhood that will go with the school of your choice. There are a few pockets where test scores are not up to speed, but that's pretty much the same story everywhere. Tornadoes are bad outside the perimeter, and flooding if you are near rivers. Only Hurricane Opal has caused trouble in the city limits - and we don't get all that many hurricanes here! Air conditioning is standard here and as long as you don't run it at 70 all the time you're okay. I keep mine at 80 in the summer and am quite comfortable - bills ran about $90 a month. Of course, I LOVE the heat and hate cold weather, and I grew up on the Gulf with no air conditioning. On the other side, my heating bill usually runs around $45 because we wear lots of sweaters and keep it around 68. People are pretty friendly, and there's always something going on. Lots of professional theatre groups, concerts, great symphony, active museum, art house movie theatres, growing zoo, great baseball and now football, and of course, all the shopping malls you'll ever need. Volunteerism is fairly high here - you can get into almost any event for free if you voluteer to usher or help out. Good hospitals and medical community. Very ethnically diverse (my husband says my friends look like a meeting of the UN when we get together), lots of groups presenting events in languages other than English. Large gay/lesbian community. If you like a growing city, this is as good as it gets. Personally, we're in our last year here. My husband and I plan on moving to the Gulf - I love hurricane parties! Our main reason for relocating is to raise our future child with my family nearby. That, and the traffic makes us crazy. Apparently, according to a recent newspaper article, more long time Atlantans are leaving because the city has gotten too big. Hope that answers the question, but if you have others, I'll be glad to answer them! Claudia Brave CNN Library Claudia.Brave@turner.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:06:22 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barczak, Jessie" Subject: Re: Harrisburg, PA versus Atlanta, GA relocation question OFF TOPIC. buckhead is an exclusive, almost all-white enclave of social climbers and ostentatious houses. of course the prices would skyrocket in such an exclusive neighborhood where the governor and even elton john live. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brave, Claudia [SMTP:Claudia.Brave@turner.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 9:03 AM > To: "Barczak; Jessie" ; "Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L" > Subject: RE: Harrisburg, PA versus Atlanta, GA relocation question > > I have to disagree with Jessie's statement below. (I'm replying to the > group > because so many people have already expressed some misconceptions about > Atlanta. > If you aren't interested just delete!) > > >If you are interested in buying a house, the Atlanta real > >estate marked is booming and a good sized affordable free standing house > is > >not out of the question ... say from $75 to $100K?? > > Since the Olympics came to town, real estate prices have skyrocketed > within > Atlanta proper. Yes, you can get a house for $75-100K, but you have to > commute > 40-60 miles from outside the perimeter. We just sold my aunt's house, > which > had > been accessed at $90K four years ago, for $200K! (She lived on the edge > of > the > Buckhead district of Atlanta.) House rentals can run around $1000-$1500 > for > a > decent house - you might as well buy. > > Traffic is horrible - forget the rules of the road, red lights and speed > limits > don't mean anything around here. But MARTA - our public transportation - > is > pretty good. Trains run from 5:30am to midnight and bus routes cover the > city > fairly well. I lived here for twelve years before I got a car and had no > problems. I still ride the train to work because Turner pays for it > because > there's a shortage of parking spaces right now in our parking deck. > > The schools are good as long as you do a little research to make sure you > pick a > neighborhood that will go with the school of your choice. There are a few > pockets where test scores are not up to speed, but that's pretty much the > same > story everywhere. > > Tornadoes are bad outside the perimeter, and flooding if you are near > rivers. > Only Hurricane Opal has caused trouble in the city limits - and we don't > get > all > that many hurricanes here! Air conditioning is standard here and as long > as > you > don't run it at 70 all the time you're okay. I keep mine at 80 in the > summer > and am quite comfortable - bills ran about $90 a month. Of course, I LOVE > the > heat and hate cold weather, and I grew up on the Gulf with no air > conditioning. > On the other side, my heating bill usually runs around $45 because we wear > lots > of sweaters and keep it around 68. > > People are pretty friendly, and there's always something going on. Lots > of > professional theatre groups, concerts, great symphony, active museum, art > house > movie theatres, growing zoo, great baseball and now football, and of > course, > all > the shopping malls you'll ever need. Volunteerism is fairly high here - > you > can > get into almost any event for free if you voluteer to usher or help out. > Good > hospitals and medical community. Very ethnically diverse (my husband > says > my > friends look like a meeting of the UN when we get together), lots of > groups > presenting events in languages other than English. Large gay/lesbian > community. > > If you like a growing city, this is as good as it gets. Personally, we're > in > our last year here. My husband and I plan on moving to the Gulf - I love > hurricane parties! Our main reason for relocating is to raise our future > child > with my family nearby. That, and the traffic makes us crazy. Apparently, > according to a recent newspaper article, more long time Atlantans are > leaving > because the city has gotten too big. > > Hope that answers the question, but if you have others, I'll be glad to > answer > them! > > Claudia Brave > CNN Library > Claudia.Brave@turner.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:26:29 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: Harrisburg, PA versus Atlanta, GA relocation questions Atlanta - oh so sweet in the winter. Yeah, traffic bad. But worse, overall, in descending order: Manhatten, Seattle, Indianapolis, Houston, Dallas, Denver, maybe Portland. Chicago would list but that Interstates and highways are so well designed and drivers move steadily due to low speed limit. LA doesn't list for same engineering reason but also because they know how to drive in LA : fast (gone and done). Larry How could you possibly forget Boston and Washington DC? :-) The roads in both places were apparently designed by drunk chimpanzees! As a Southerner, I feel I must put in a word for Atlanta (and what was that "especially for a southern city" remark someone made, anyway? :-) ). It is a beautiful city with excellent public transportation if the traffic really gets to you. Someone mentioned tornadoes, but don't forget hurricanes, too-- keeps things interesting. As for summers, yes, it has been said that the reason that the Baptists have done so well in Georgia is because when the preachers talk about hellfire and brimstone the congregation can identify, but you'd be amazed at what you can get used to. On the plus side, it rarely gets below 60 even in the winter. As a mountian-born lass, I also feel I can speak for Harrisburg. Personally, I love the semi-rural mountain life and small-town America (I'm originally from Lynchburg, Virginia, which is a city of about 85,000 or so in the Blue Ridge Mountains, and currently live in Charlottesville, about an hour north-- Thomas Jefferson country). Yes, winters can be a pain, but the scenery is breathtaking pretty much year round. Someone suggested that you check out websites, chambers of commerce, promotional brochures, etc., which I heartily second. Atlanta is more cosmopolitan, but Harrisburg sounds quite nice, too. I think it will come down to a personal lifestyle choice and the relative merits of the job opportunities. Good luck! I'm not sure you can make a wrong decision here. -- Sharon W. Sharon.Wright@Lexis-Nexis.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:28:24 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: Harrisburg, PA versus Atlanta, GA relocation questions >BTW, I have been told that cellars are a rarity in some Atlanta >neighborhoods (not all) just for your info ... > >That's because most of Atlanta is at or below sea level. Not much room to >dig without hitting the water table. > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:48:28 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Roger Wong Subject: Re: Harrisburg, PA versus Atlanta, GA relocation questions In-Reply-To: <199811251432.IAA18716@austin.metrowerks.com> Hi guys. Is there a moderator about who can come in and ask y'all to take this discussion to private email? Roger "spoil sport" Wong ___________________________________________________________________ Roger Wong CodeWarrior Scribbler rwong@metrowerks.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:44:42 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Karen Kolavalli Subject: Re: Harrisburg, PA versus Atlanta, GA relocation questions In-Reply-To: <199811251442.IAA04992@onyx.southwind.net> Hi, Roger, Charlotte (the moderator) already did. Karen Kolavalli Roger Wong writes: Is there a moderator about who can come in and ask y'all to take this discussion to private email? ___________________________________________________________________ Roger Wong CodeWarrior Scribbler rwong@metrowerks.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:46:26 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: indexer@INETCOM.NET Subject: Re: insurance; Medical Savings Accounts Have there been any changes in the rules concerning Medical Savings Accounts? The last I heard about them was about 3-4 months ago and they were described as being open to a limited number of people on an experimental basis with no assurances about future continuation/expansion of the program. Seems like a good program though. Thanks Kevin Mulrooney ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dyslexics of the world untie! First State Indexing (302) 738-2558 276 East Main Street Indexer@inetcom.net Newark, Delaware 19711 http://www2.inet.net/~indexer/kjm.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:03:55 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: insurance; Medical Savings Accounts Are you talking about private ones or public ones? We have them at our company as an optional benefit. -- Sharon W. x7255 Rm. 223 Sharon.Wright@Lexis-Nexis.com > -----Original Message----- > From: indexer@INETCOM.NET [SMTP:indexer@INETCOM.NET] > Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 10:46 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: insurance; Medical Savings Accounts > > Have there been any changes in the rules concerning Medical Savings > Accounts? The last I heard about them was about 3-4 months ago and they > were described as being open to a limited number of people on an > experimental basis with no assurances about future continuation/expansion > of > the program. Seems like a good program though. > > Thanks > Kevin Mulrooney > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dyslexics of the world untie! > > First State Indexing (302) 738-2558 > 276 East Main Street Indexer@inetcom.net > Newark, Delaware 19711 http://www2.inet.net/~indexer/kjm.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:11:04 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Thomas Dean Subject: Re: insurance; Medical Savings Accounts In-Reply-To: <199811251604.KAA0000009573@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu> The employer accounts as optional benefits are different from the MSA's, aren't they? The things you can get through employers are the pre-tax accounts where you designate a regular amount deducted from each paycheck, but you have to use that money in the designated year, and if you don't use it that year, you lose it. Tom Dean On Wed, 25 Nov 1998, Wright, Sharon F. wrote: > Are you talking about private ones or public ones? We have them at our > company as an optional benefit. > > -- Sharon W. > x7255 > Rm. 223 > Sharon.Wright@Lexis-Nexis.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: indexer@INETCOM.NET [SMTP:indexer@INETCOM.NET] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 10:46 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > > Subject: Re: insurance; Medical Savings Accounts > > > > Have there been any changes in the rules concerning Medical Savings > > Accounts? The last I heard about them was about 3-4 months ago and they > > were described as being open to a limited number of people on an > > experimental basis with no assurances about future continuation/expansion > > of > > the program. Seems like a good program though. > > > > Thanks > > Kevin Mulrooney > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Dyslexics of the world untie! > > > > First State Indexing (302) 738-2558 > > 276 East Main Street Indexer@inetcom.net > > Newark, Delaware 19711 http://www2.inet.net/~indexer/kjm.html > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:35:57 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: insurance; Medical Savings Accounts The employer accounts as optional benefits are different from the MSA's, aren't they? The things you can get through employers are the pre-tax accounts where you designate a regular amount deducted from each paycheck, but you have to use that money in the designated year, and if you don't use it that year, you lose it. Tom Dean Yep. They're called the same thing, though, which is confusing. I just read the IRS regs on medical savings acounts and am no clearer than I was before (hey, tax law is not my thing! 26 USCS ?220, if anyone wants to check it out), but I can tell you that the only amendments made since 1996 were a 1997 amendment which limited the eligibility of participants who were also receiving Medicare benefits. I don't think that there has been any change in 1998. Hope that answers the original question. -- Sharon W. Sharon.Wright@Lexis-Nexis.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:03:58 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Weiss Subject: insurance for young adults Through my employer I am able to get insurance for myself and my husband. However, the plan I have will not cover my 20-year-old daughter because she is not a student. I have heard that there are insurance companies with special policies for young adults (under age 35). Does anybody have any information or experience with such policies. Sue Weiss Tax Analysts sweiss@tax.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:29:20 -0500 Reply-To: christop@pathcom.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christopher Blackburn Subject: Re: Hello/ Test Hi Patrick, I'm Chris Blackburn. I get the digest version, but saw your message. Send me an offline message if you want to correspond further and let me know more about yourself, etc. Chris ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:24:19 -0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Owens Subject: Re: ISO 999 I managed to get a copy at my local university library which holds microfilm copies of all BSI and ISO documents (in the science department!). I understand that some people even take photocopies of these. Regards Richard > > >From Christine Headley > > I want to get hold of a copy of ISO 999 - the International Standard > document which deals with indexes - but I am reluctant to pay GBP 55 for it > just-like-that. > > Would the Combined Wisdom (particularly the UK end) expect to get hold of it > through the public library system, or might I as well not waste time and > bite the bullet? > > Christine H > Stroud, Glos > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:00:17 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "J. Naomi Linzer" Subject: Re: Harrisburg, PA versus Atlanta, GA relocation questions Leslie Frank wrote: >> if you would please take a moment to email me***** privately***** and >>let me know To clarify. . .I don't mind th eQUESTION to the list, I find the off-topic answers being posted to the list a nuisance. Naomi ******************************************************************************** Ms. J. Naomi Linzer Indexing Services POB 1341 Redway, CA 95560 (707) 923-4361 jnlinzer@saber.net ******************************************************************************** ******* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:26:36 -0800 Reply-To: "woodpile@jps.net" Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ed Wood Subject: Re: OS serviceability ---------- I accepted Henry Meyerding's invitation to try Linux, which included http://www.redhat.com as a site to investigate. When I clicked on the address, my Windows-driven computer sent me the following message: "Windows cannot find Program.exe". I am tempted to ask if this is one of Microsoft's ways of stifling competition, but won't because I am afraid Bill subscribes to this list. Ed Wood http://www.redhat.com Happy hunting! Henry W. Meyerding ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:49:23 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: insurance for young adults At 12:03 PM 11/25/1998 -0500, Susan Weiss wrote: >Through my employer I am able to get insurance for myself and my husband. >However, the plan I have will not cover my 20-year-old daughter because she >is not a student. I have heard that there are insurance companies with >special policies for young adults (under age 35). Does anybody have any >information or experience with such policies. When he was about 20, I bought my son his own policy from Blue Shield. It costs me about $86 a month and is a full-fledged medical and hospitalization plan with prescription coverage. This IMO is a better deal than keeping your daughter on your family policy, since it's completely portable and will cover her no matter where she moves or whether or not she's a student...or marries, or gets a job, or any other contingency. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:18:22 -0800 Reply-To: dmbrown@brown-inc.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "David M. Brown" Organization: Brown Inc. Subject: Re: OS serviceability Ed Wood wrote: > > ---------- > > When I clicked on the address, my Windows-driven computer sent me > the following message: > > "Windows cannot find Program.exe". ... > > http://www.redhat.com The URL works for me. --David ============================= David M. Brown - Brown Inc. dmbrown@brown-inc.com ============================= N O W A V A I L A B L E ! (http://www.html-indexer.com/) Try HTML Indexer, the easiest way to create and maintain real back-of-the-book indexes for web sites and other HTML documents. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:05:35 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Bryant Subject: Re: Harrisburg, PA versus Atlanta, GA relocation questions Atlanta is really a neat place! I live about 2 hours away, but I visit three or four times a year. Housing is affordable and I have many family members who work downtown Atlanta and live an hour or so away by car. We go in to Atlanta to shop, and shop, and then do some more shopping! Also, there is lots of history and culture. It CAN BE a dangerous city, but then again, most large cities are. We go to a Braves game at least once a year, and there are many conferences downtown. Tornadoes are a "pest" you learn to live with (just like earthquakes, I suppose). We always take 8th grade students to tour CNN and go to the Coca-Cola Museum every year. Yes, Atlanta is the deep South! And yes, it has some of the hottest summers you will ever see there. But on the other hand, you may only see snow two or three days a year. (There are ice storms, however) As for the traffic, I can't say, because about twenty years ago I was in traffic in Atlanta and now I never travel from 7 - 9 am or from 4 - 6 pm! I know this is long, but I have relatives who work in Atlanta and bought a nice 3br/2ba brick house with a double garage and half basement in Douglasville, GA, about an hour from downtown. The house was only 82K and was on 2 acres. I was just there two weeks ago and all the trees in the yard were turning fall colors. Really pretty! Good luck! Charlotte B. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:09:32 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Bryant Subject: Re: Harrisburg, PA versus Atlanta, GA relocation question At 08:43 AM 11/25/1998 -0500, you wrote: >Please confine this discussion to private exchanges among interested >parties. > >Thank you > >Charlotte Skuster >Index-l moderator > > I agree. Sorry, I did not mean to send my response to the list. Charlotte Bryant Anderson, SC 29625 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:49:50 -0800 Reply-To: penguins@wave.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Breffni Whelan Subject: Re: insurance; Medical Savings Accounts These are still around, though most companies don't offer them. I think only one does in my state (Oregon) for example. Their plan has a $2000 individual deductable ($4K per family) but covers pretty much everything 100% above that figure without restrictions on which provider you use. Premiums are $43 to $113 monthly for one person depending on age. $123 to $248 monthly for a family. I'm looking at various plans but this one looks pretty good to me. You can pay up to $2000 into an IRA-like MSA and deduct that from your taxes. (The MSA part is to cover the deductable.) Breffni Whelan -----Original Message----- From: indexer@INETCOM.NET To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Date: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 7:52 AM Subject: Re: insurance; Medical Savings Accounts >Have there been any changes in the rules concerning Medical Savings >Accounts? The last I heard about them was about 3-4 months ago and they >were described as being open to a limited number of people on an >experimental basis with no assurances about future continuation/expansion of >the program. Seems like a good program though. > >Thanks >Kevin Mulrooney > >------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dyslexics of the world untie! > >First State Indexing (302) 738-2558 >276 East Main Street Indexer@inetcom.net >Newark, Delaware 19711 http://www2.inet.net/~indexer/kjm.html > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:55:01 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: Re: Backups >Whether that particular story is apocryphal or not, the refrigerator/freezer >is "the" recommended place to store valuables that you don't want to burn up >or be destroyed by heat (papers and money, for example). It's also a great >place for inobvious hiding of small treasures so that burglars don't find >them. A friend tells me that she keeps a fair amount of paper money in a >plastic ziplock bag suitably disguised and labeled, "cookie dough," in her >freezer and it's successfully passed the "burglar test" twice now. > > =Sonsie= And I have a friend who had $6,000 in her freezer and her husband's employee stopped by and got himself a drink with ice, and the money disappeared. It also was well-disguised. Just another side of the story. R Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 18:25:46 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "J. Naomi Linzer" Subject: Re: Harrisburg, PA versus Atlanta, GA relocation questions Leslie Frank wrote: >> if you would please take a moment to email me***** privately***** and >>let me know To clarify. . .I don't mind the QUESTION to the list, I find the off-topic answers being posted to the list a nuisance. Naomi ******************************************************************************** Ms. J. Naomi Linzer Indexing Services POB 1341 Redway, CA 95560 (707) 923-4361 jnlinzer@saber.net ******************************************************************************** ******* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:15:09 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sylvia Coates Subject: Re: insurance for young adults Dear Susan, I am answering on list since this may be of general interest. I have gotten Blue Cross health policies for my children who were no longer covered by my husband's insurance. Major medical policies are quite reasonable for young people in general good health with a deductible (you pick the deductible and the comparable monthly rates). For example, a one thousand dollar deductible resulted in a $35/month policy. It doesn't cover everything that a corporate policy does but you still get the benefit of contract prices with hospitals and doctors and it certainly gives you major medical benefits. I'm in California but I believe that there are comparable policies available in other states. Best of luck! Sylvia Coates Susan Weiss wrote: > Through my employer I am able to get insurance for myself and my husband. > However, the plan I have will not cover my 20-year-old daughter because she > is not a student. I have heard that there are insurance companies with > special policies for young adults (under age 35). Does anybody have any > information or experience with such policies. > > Sue Weiss > Tax Analysts > sweiss@tax.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 13:48:40 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ife Clarke Subject: Beginner- Subject index? Greetings, indexers. I have been 'lurking for several week now and now I have a situation I need some advice on. My first index is of a Religion bk aimed at H.S. students. I am working on it now but the author called me and said the book designer/packager said all I need to do is a 'simple subject index'. Help . What I had in mind was more comprehensive than that. My questions--what is a simple subject index? I have my own ideas but need other insights. Is this the best thing for the book? The author is a friend of mine and trusts me. I don't want to oversell her though I think the cost would be the same because I'm charging by the page. Any assistance is appreciated. Ife ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 15:12:27 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Iris B. Ailin-Pyzik" Subject: Re: Beginner- Subject index? Ife - This sounds kind of weird. If you've already bid this job on a per-page basis, and they have not said "we need the index tomorrow" (or some short time frame that precludes a thorough job) or "you only have 2 pages for the index" - I think you should do the job you were planning on. If that was how you bid it, then do it they way it was bid. Also, there is no real definition of a 'simple subject index'. Do they mean they don't want sub-heads? What did they tell you when you took the job? Iris Ife Clarke wrote: > Greetings, indexers. I have been 'lurking for several week now and now I have > a situation I need some advice on. > My first index is of a Religion bk aimed at H.S. students. I am working on it > now but the author called me and said the book designer/packager said all I > need to do is a 'simple subject index'. Help . What I had in mind was more > comprehensive than that. My questions--what is a simple subject index? I have > my own ideas but need other insights. Is this the best thing for the book? > The author is a friend of mine and trusts me. I don't want to oversell her > though I think the cost would be the same because I'm charging by the page. > Any assistance is appreciated. Ife ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 16:05:14 -0500 Reply-To: christop@pathcom.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christopher Blackburn Subject: Re: Beginner- Subject index? The question isn't what's best for the book -- that is for the publisher. The indexer should go along with what the publisher asks for. Omit detail but make sure important points are covered -- work "from the bottom up -- i.e. eliminate sub-subs, covering the refs in the subs, or eliminate subs, covering in the main entry. Chris Blackburn ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 16:11:18 -0500 Reply-To: christop@pathcom.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christopher Blackburn Subject: Re: Beginner- Subject index? After re-reading your message I notice you state the author is a good friend of yours, and apparently is responsible for publishing the book, employing the services of a packager-designer. In this case I would talk directly with the author, discussing what you think is best for the book, and how the length of the index will affect the number of signatures and the amount of paper that must be paid for. Best wishes and sorry I responded too fast in the last message, Chris Blackburn ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 19:50:00 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Laurence Errington Subject: Backups The beloved `garden shed' in the UK makes a prety good place to store your backup tape. They're usually located a reasonably fire-proof distance from the house..... -- Dr Laurence Errington 15 Kirkhill Terrace, Edinburgh, Scotland, EH16 5DQ Tel: 0044-(0)131-667-5406 Fax: 0044-(0)131-667-5406 (9-7pm GMT weekdays only) E-Mail: laurence@errington-index.demon.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 13:08:14 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sharon Hughes Subject: Re: Backups In a message dated 98-11-27 03:26:23 EST, you write: << The beloved `garden shed' in the UK makes a prety good place to store your backup tape. >> I remember that when I installed my McAfee virus scan software they gave me 6 months free storage on a remote server. The cost to continue was minimal. Has anyone every used a similar service? It seems that you just use it like a distant disk drive. Sharon ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:18:39 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: TennWords@AOL.COM Subject: Directions to TRG Fall Meeting Good Morning! Just a note that directions to the Fall meeting of the Tennessee Regional Group of ASI have been posted at: http://members.aol.com/tennwords/directions.html Hope to see you there! Dawn Spencer CHOICE INDEXING indexlady@aol.com http://members.aol.com/indexlady/ --------------- Coordinator of the Tennessee Regional Group of the American Society of Indexers tennwords@aol.com http://members.aol.com/tennwords/home.html --------------- author of the Indexing topic at Suite 101 http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/indexing (NEW URL) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 17:42:23 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: TBrtrm@AOL.COM Subject: HyperIndex users I am a HyperIndex user and am curious about the success others have found with the program, as well as problems encountered. I particularly have been having problems with exporting the index to an RTF document on my word processor. I use a Mac with Word. I would appreciate any opinions, comments, advice. Thanks. Perhaps it would be best to reply to me personally: TBrtrm@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 11:42:59 +1100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey and Glenda Browne Subject: Re: Backups In-Reply-To: <05025330029935@domain1.bigpond.com> Richard Evans wrote: Subject: Re: Backups >...I would truly like to keep all my "data" files in My Documents, but what about all the application files that are not obviously data files? For instance, Quicken uses several files for data and configuraiton. If I could identify all of them I could conceivably move them to My Documents, but then I would have to reconfigure Quicken to tell it where they are. Same story for any number of other applications: Eudora mail boxes and address lists, ISP configuration info, etc. There are programs available like WinDelete which purport to be able to pack up and move an application to a new directory along with _all_ the files that 'belong' to it - .DATs and .DLLs and suchlike - and change the Registry to indicate the new location. I have had mixed experiences with these but they may be worth a try. Jonathan =================================== Jonathan Jermey and Glenda Browne Indexing, PC Training, Web Page Authoring http://www.users.bigpond.com/Diagonal Diagonal@bigpond.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 11:42:40 +1100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey and Glenda Browne Subject: Re: Indexers' webring Robin, I think an indexer's webring is a great idea. Does this mean that each webpage in the ring is linked to one other page, and has one link to it? Is there any specific order to the links, or are they random? To me database indexing is as central as online help indexing, while cataloguing and other library work is separate (and would possibly swamp the ring). However overlapping rings to areas such as cataloguing would give the best of both worlds. Are webrings run by someone who coordinates links etc? Glenda. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 23:32:36 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Judihays@AOL.COM Subject: Hold on emails Hi-- I am traveling the next few weeks and wanted to put a hold on Index-L emails. Please tell me how to do this. Thanks. JUDI HAYS ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 06:23:50 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Change in ISPs I've finally given in and acquired a new internet service provider for business and client use (tho I'm still hanging onto the AOL account for backup and the benefit of my family who also use the account). Please change your address book listings for me to: cgweaver@mindspring.com Regards, Carolyn Weaver (ASI Treasurer and Index-L lurker) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 10:18:49 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: Re: Hold on emails In a message dated 11/27/98 11:34:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, Judihays@AOL.COM writes: > > I am traveling the next few weeks and wanted to put a hold on Index-L emails. > > Please tell me how to do this. Thanks. > JUDI HAYS > Judy, Here are directions to set NOMAIL. Note that you have to send to a different address than the one for posting to the list. Ann Truesdale (Quote of moderator's message below) To stop mail while you are on vacation: send the following message to listserv@bingvmb.cc.binghamton.edu set index-l nomail when you return, send this message: set index-l mail put nothing else in the body of the message Charlotte Skuster index-l moderator ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 10:26:32 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: "Mail failure" messages I am getting these messages (below) approx 2 weeks after each e-mail message that I post to the list. I am not sure about other e-mails I send - I've just been deleting them figuring the problem would just go away. It hasn't. Are other people on Index-l getting this? Or any of you that are on AOL? Any info to help me trace the problem to the source greatly appreciated. Ann Ann Truesdale (anntrue@aol.com) TrueWords Freelance Services Yonges Island, SC ************************************************************** If quitters never win, and winners never quit, what fool came up with, "Quit while you're ahead"? In a message dated 11/28/98 1:32:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, IMCEAMS- DSAA_MSGATEPO_POSTMASTER@osd.pentagon.mil writes: > > [005] Mail retry count exceeded sending to: > EUCOM /ODCGREECE > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Microsoft Mail v3.0 (MAPI 1.0 Transport) IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note > From: Ann Truesdale > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Off topic: Fw: Warning (phone scam) > Date: 1998-11-14 22:47 > Priority: 3 > Message ID: 2A140D8A127CD211973C0000D1106D4E > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 10:29:53 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Skuster Subject: Re: "Mail failure" messages In-Reply-To: <199811281522.KAA00878@library.lib.binghamton.edu> These messages will eventually stop. I have deleted the address from the list of subscribers. However, there will be a lag because the mail system for this address will continue to try to deliver the message for a certain amount of time before it stops. Charlotte Skuster Index-l moderator On Sat, 28 Nov 1998, Ann Truesdale wrote: > I am getting these messages (below) approx 2 weeks after each e-mail message > that I post to the list. I am not sure about other e-mails I send - I've just > been deleting them figuring the problem would just go away. It hasn't. > > Are other people on Index-l getting this? Or any of you that are on AOL? Any > info to help me trace the problem to the source greatly appreciated. > > Ann > > Ann Truesdale (anntrue@aol.com) > TrueWords Freelance Services > Yonges Island, SC > ************************************************************** > If quitters never win, and winners never quit, what fool > came up with, "Quit while you're ahead"? > > > In a message dated 11/28/98 1:32:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, IMCEAMS- > DSAA_MSGATEPO_POSTMASTER@osd.pentagon.mil writes: > > > > > [005] Mail retry count exceeded sending to: > > EUCOM /ODCGREECE > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > Microsoft Mail v3.0 (MAPI 1.0 Transport) IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note > > From: Ann Truesdale > > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > > Subject: Off topic: Fw: Warning (phone scam) > > Date: 1998-11-14 22:47 > > Priority: 3 > > Message ID: 2A140D8A127CD211973C0000D1106D4E > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 08:41:49 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "W. Nadine Kruger" Subject: Re: "Mail failure" messages Ann, I am getting the same.....AFTER my message has posted, so I just ignored them. Didn't try to figure out why. :) Nadine -----Original Message----- From: Ann Truesdale To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Date: Saturday, November 28, 1998 8:27 AM Subject: "Mail failure" messages >I am getting these messages (below) approx 2 weeks after each e-mail message >that I post to the list. I am not sure about other e-mails I send - I've just >been deleting them figuring the problem would just go away. It hasn't. > >Are other people on Index-l getting this? Or any of you that are on AOL? Any >info to help me trace the problem to the source greatly appreciated. > >Ann > >Ann Truesdale (anntrue@aol.com) >TrueWords Freelance Services >Yonges Island, SC >************************************************************** > If quitters never win, and winners never quit, what fool > came up with, "Quit while you're ahead"? > > >In a message dated 11/28/98 1:32:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, IMCEAMS- >DSAA_MSGATEPO_POSTMASTER@osd.pentagon.mil writes: > >> >> [005] Mail retry count exceeded sending to: >> EUCOM /ODCGREECE >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >> -- >> Microsoft Mail v3.0 (MAPI 1.0 Transport) IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note >> From: Ann Truesdale >> To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L >> Subject: Off topic: Fw: Warning (phone scam) >> Date: 1998-11-14 22:47 >> Priority: 3 >> Message ID: 2A140D8A127CD211973C0000D1106D4E >> > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 08:19:09 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pam Rider Subject: Re: "Mail failure" messages In-Reply-To: <199811281542.HAA24198@decibel.electriciti.com> Just as complaints about phoney virus alerts have been posited by some as the *true* viruses, it is clear that there's more chatter about "mail failure" than actual mail failure messages. Human nature is a variable source of delight and amusement. Pam Rider Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth prider@electriciti.com prider@tsktsk.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:16:16 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Shuttleworth Subject: Re: "Mail failure" messages Ann Truesdale wrote: Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jeri Lee Subject: Re: "Mail failure" messages Hate to contradict you, Pam, but I am also getting these two week old bounced messages. Jeri Pam Rider wrote: > Just as complaints about phoney virus alerts have been posited by some as > the *true* viruses, it is clear that there's more chatter about "mail > failure" than actual mail failure messages. > > Human nature is a variable source of delight and amusement. > Pam Rider > Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth > prider@electriciti.com > prider@tsktsk.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 20:23:04 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: PDepri5514@AOL.COM Subject: Test posting Hello all My name is Patrick. I'm not sure whether anyone is receiving my emails. Please email me back. Patrick. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 22:10:26 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin A. Broccoli" Subject: Re: Test posting -----Original Message----- From: PDepri5514@AOL.COM To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Date: Saturday, November 28, 1998 8:16 PM Subject: Test posting >Hello all > >My name is Patrick. I'm not sure whether anyone is receiving my emails. >Please email me back. > >Patrick. Yes, Patrick, we are all still receiving your e-mails.