Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9912D" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 23:37:01 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kathleen Spaltro and John Daab Subject: Re: INDEX-L Digest - 20 Dec 1999 to 21 Dec 1999 (#1999-144) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm a novice indexer (also taking the USDA class) completing a 34-year periodical index. I have a question about letter by letter alphabetizing when sorting monarchs' names. In the Title Index, CINDEX sorts "Richard III" and "Richard III's" after "Richard and the Stanleys" but before "Richard Neville" and "Richard of England." Could someone explain how letter by letter alphabetizing deals with the Roman numerals after the monarch's name? It doesn't seem to be by spelling out "the Third" or even just "Third." Obviously, that sort would put "Richard III" after "Richard of England." I'd be grateful. I want to get it clear in my head. Thank you. Kathy Spaltro winfrank@mc.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 01:35:46 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Meaning of versus In-Reply-To: <199912220503.AAA11573@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I use this all the time. I set Cindex to put "vs." in italics, as it is >Latin. I set it roman, because the Chicago Manual recommends roman for common foreign words and phrases (don't know the exact reference offhand). >I once used versus in an index. I would have chosen vs. but the style manual >i used had v. The editor requested versus in full as she didn't think people >would know what v. (or vs.) stood for. I think v. is used strictly for legal cases, e.g., _Brown v. Board of Education_. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My indexer@execpc.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer new Web address to come ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 01:44:16 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Rewriting an Index In-Reply-To: <199912220503.AAA11573@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >If you were using Cindex and the only change was to add 71 to every page >reference (that is, the actual placement of terms on pages hasn't changed, >just the page number) then you could just use Cindex's "Alter Reference" >command. I would have thought other indexing software like Macrex or Sky >Index (whatever you're using) had the same capability. Or maybe I'm missing >something. That works if the pages have shifted cleanly. But if the page breaks have changed (e.g., what was entirely on p. 71 is now on pp. 72-73), then you have to do it manually. I'd charge an hourly rate for that job. > I'm currently working on the same sort of job. Unfortunately, I'm not >getting any more money for my work. When I am done I will have to >restrain myself from strangling the client. This is what I am >doing right now >and the client simply doesn't understand what a job it is. Elliot, mind if I ask why you're not getting any more money? This is not a criticism, just wondering whether you had tried renegotiating when the additional work got dumped on you. I typically renegotiate for anything major that wasn't part of the original deal. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My indexer@execpc.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer new Web address to come ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 01:15:32 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Victoria Baker Subject: Re: Meaning of versus In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Carol Roberts wrote: >I set it roman, because the Chicago Manual recommends roman for common >foreign words and phrases (don't know the exact reference offhand). 15.313 is one place this is established but there are others. >I think v. is used strictly for legal cases, e.g., _Brown v. Board of >Education_. This is my understanding. Btw, the period is not part of citations in legal works but usually (though not always) is part of citations in more general works (and of course all treatment must be consistent within a given text). This was a big surprise to me when I was calling an editor's attention to what I thought were errors of including the period and italicizing the v in a history text. --Victoria vbaker@asis.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:34:35 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F. (LNG-LLP)" Subject: Re: Meaning of versus > >I once used versus in an index. I would have chosen vs. but the style > manual > >i used had v. The editor requested versus in full as she didn't think > people > >would know what v. (or vs.) stood for. > > I think v. is used strictly for legal cases, e.g., _Brown v. Board of > Education_. > The "v." is also used in sports, as in Washington v. Dallas. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:37:38 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elliot Linzer Subject: Re: Rewriting an Index MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Carol, Well, it's a long story. Essentially, I worked on this encyclopedia of science and technology last summer for a packager. The pages I worked from were not final page proofs and I kept complaining to the packager about them. Entire articles were missing. The captions had not been written yet. There was a two page gap in my set of pages, etc. Well, everyone was behind schedule on this. It turned out that the packager was so late delivering the book that the publication date was postponed from fall to spring. When I had finished my work, I told the packager that I could easily repaginate the index once he had final pages. I had expected the final pages to be pretty much the same as the pages I had worked from, but with different page numbers. Changing the page numbers is not such a hard job. I just cast the old pages off against the new pages or the other way around, I resort the index into page order, print out the records in page order and then just cross off the old page numbers and insert the new page numbers. I can insert them into the computer with a minimum of difficulty. Then I just sort everything out, give it a light edit and print out the hard copy and generate the files for the client to typeset from. Even for a book of 515 pages, it wouldn't be that hard. Also, I've been getting lots of work from this client. What finally happened is that he still owes me money for the index in completed in August! New articles were added to the book, pushing all the articles over by two pages. The new page breaks do not correspond with the old page breaks. The packager thinks that all I have to do is make some corrections on a copy of the old index! I explained to him that I have to do the entire index over again. There are a total of several thousand changes, more than what anyone would want to handle by my scribbling my unreadable handwriting on copies of the original index. We never spoke about money for this work, and the client remembers my offering to do this for free last summer. Well, I've given this job back-burner treatment for most of the past few weeks. One of the packager's employees asked me what was taking me so long, and I told him that I have clients who pay their bills and I have this client, who still owes me money from last August. You can imagine who gets priority treatment! I have more work coming up from this client, but you can be sure that I will be writing a contract (I didn't have one for any of the indexing I did for him) which will insist that I work on final page proofs, nothing else and that the packager pay for corrections which they require. Thanks for asking. | Elliot Linzer | 43-05 Crommelin Street | Flushing, New York 11355 | (718) 353-1261 | elinzer@juno.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:27:57 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: susanhernandez@JUNO.COM Subject: Re: Sorting Roman numerals in names (INDEX-L Digest ) Kathy wrote: >In the Title Index, CINDEX sorts "Richard III" and "Richard III's" >after >"Richard and the Stanleys" but before "Richard Neville" and "Richard >of >England." Could someone explain how letter by letter alphabetizing >deals with the Roman numerals after the monarch's name? It doesn't >seem >to be by spelling out "the Third" or even just "Third." Obviously, >that >sort would put "Richard III" after "Richard of England." > I recently did an index for a book on the papacy with this same problem - Pope IX would sort before Pope V, etc. I used my indexing program to force the sort so it was in numerical order and made sense. I considered this to be the salient point - I wanted it to make sense. I forced all the sorts so the names stayed grouped, even as in your example, when names with Roman numerals ended up interspersed with other words (this was letter-by-letter, also). Anyone who looks at the index and sees the Roman numerals sorted out of order will be unlikely to knowingly attribute it to letter-by-letter sorting. More likely they will berate the indexer! - Susan *************************************** Susan Danzi Hernandez BookEnd Indexing susanhernandez@juno.com (316) 789-0576 (Kansas) > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:25:57 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Beverlee and Doug Subject: Rewriting an index Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about rewriting an index. The pagination only was changed (and not the content) so I think it will be a simple and straightforward project. The editor and I agreed on a $35 per hour payment. Thanks again for all of the replies. It helps to learn about other people's experiences! Beverlee Day Guided by Words Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 20:30:53 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Willa MacAllen Subject: surge protectors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi All: A few months back folks were talking about their experiences with surge protectors. A friend told me tonite that she has a surge protector that also helps to protect against brownouts. She got the surge protector from IBM (where she got her new computer). However, she also told me that the one caveat with her model is that her instructions say that she can't attach (or use) a lazer printer with this model of the surge protector. Does anyone know if this restriction applies to just the IBM model or is it a universal aspect of surge protectors in general? Hoping this question makes sense, since the information is word of mouth and not from any documentation. Willa (putting together my own shopping list........:) ) Willa MacAllen Indexing, Proofreading, Editing, Research MacAllen's Information Services Brighton, MA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:20:45 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: Re: surge protectors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Willa, It is my understanding that this applies to all surge protectors of this type. They contain a battery to cover the brown-out problems and laser printers draw so much power that they could kill the battery. I have an APC power backup unit and the instructions said not to plug a laser printer into it. I have also read a recommendation to run laser printers on a separate electrical circuit from your computer because of their power drain. Unfortunately, in most houses all the floor plugs in one room are on the same circuit. I have not had any problems using mine on the same circuit, but I guess my power backup unit would cover any brown-out due to the printer. Ann Ann Truesdale anntrue@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Willa MacAllen To: Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 8:30 PM Subject: surge protectors > Hi All: > > A few months back folks were talking about their experiences with surge > protectors. A friend told me tonite that she has a surge protector that > also helps to protect against brownouts. She got the surge protector from > IBM (where she got her new computer). However, she also told me that the > one caveat with her model is that her instructions say that she can't > attach (or use) a lazer printer with this model of the surge protector. > > Does anyone know if this restriction applies to just the IBM model or is > it a universal aspect of surge protectors in general? > > Hoping this question makes sense, since the information is word of mouth > and not from any documentation. > > Willa (putting together my own shopping list........:) ) > > > > Willa MacAllen > Indexing, Proofreading, Editing, Research > MacAllen's Information Services > Brighton, MA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:24:36 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Willa MacAllen Subject: Question on indexing half a book rather than a whole book Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi All: I've been contacted by an author to index half a book rather than a whole book. Apparently the book in question is being written by two authors. One author has just decided that each author will index half the book and I've been asked to index the first half. Has anyone on the list come across this situation before? What are the wrinkles that an indexer will be faced with in this type of situation? I can think of a few concerns, such as the fact that terms will be different and that the index will probably change drastically when the publisher merges the two indexes. The topic sounds like it would be wonderful (the history of early childhood education) but the way the production is being handled makes me feel as though I should be a little cautious. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Willa MacAllen Indexing, Proofreading, Editing, Research MacAllen's Information Services Brighton, MA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:58:28 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Question on indexing half a book rather than a whole book In-Reply-To: <199912231334.IAA06766@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Has anyone on the list come across this situation before? What are the > wrinkles that an indexer will be faced with in this type of situation? I > can think of a few concerns, such as the fact that terms will be different > and that the index will probably change drastically when the publisher > merges the two indexes. I once did an embedded index for a computer book that had been farmed out to no less than six indexers. There was no interaction between the six, we didn't even know who each other was (were?). It must have been a mess when the client consolidated the pieces, but that's what they wanted. I'd voice my concerns to the client, then take his money with a smile. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 09:53:33 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Willa MacAllen Subject: Re: Question on indexing half a book rather than a whole book In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Has anyone on the list come across this situation before? What are the > > wrinkles that an indexer will be faced with in this type of situation? I > > can think of a few concerns, such as the fact that terms will be different > > and that the index will probably change drastically when the publisher > > merges the two indexes. > >I once did an embedded index for a computer book that had been farmed out to >no less than six indexers. There was no interaction between the six, we >didn't even know who each other was (were?). It must have been a mess when >the client consolidated the pieces, but that's what they wanted. > >I'd voice my concerns to the client, then take his money with a smile. Hi All: Thanks for the feedback, Dick. I've been thinking about doing that, (i.e., doing the index and not worryng about the outcome once it left my hands). However, my other concern in this issue is my schedule in terms of deadlines to which I've already committed. I spent a fair amount of time on the telephone with this author and feel sorry for the situation in which she has been placed because this wrinkle was not discussed until this week, and the index should be submitted around January 20. I think the author realizes the issues involved (at least a little) because she at least has a copy of Nancy Mulvany's text on indexing. She is aware that the quality of the final index will be jeopardized but her hands are tied. Needless to say, there is not a positive relationship between the two authors. I told the author that if I couldn't handle it because of my prior commitments, I'd try to help her find someone who could. Thanks, again. Willa MacAllen Indexing, Proofreading, Editing, Research MacAllen's Information Services Brighton, MA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:34:51 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elliot Linzer Subject: Re: surge protectors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The device Willa described is not really a surge protector and it is not a UPS (uninterruptable power source; power backup). It is probably what used to be known as a voltage regulator. The term may have gone out of use and I don't know if there is a new name for them. A voltage regulator has a battery attached and is intended to run all the time. Your computer gets its electricity from the battery and the battery is continuously being recharged from the electricity coming from your local power company. It evens out the brownouts and surges producing a consistent flow of current. Printers, especially laser printers, place a huge demand on such devices. Computers don't use much electricity, printers do. Even with a good UPS, in event of a total blackout, you are expected to quickly exit your programs and neatly turn off your computer. Forget about printing. It can wait until after full power is restored. When I first got a PC, in 1983, I had an electrician rewire my apartment to put in two new circuits, one for the PC and one for the printer. When I moved to a new apartment in 1988, again I had an electrician put several new circuits into my office, one for the PC, one for the printer and one for the air conditioner. Computers may not be as fickle as they were back in the early days of PCs, but it is still a good idea to keep your printer and your computer on separate circuits. | Elliot Linzer | 43-05 Crommelin Street | Flushing, New York 11355 | (718) 353-1261 | elinzer@juno.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:48:32 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Willa MacAllen Subject: Re: surge protectors In-Reply-To: <19991223.115922.-172405.2.elinzer@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > Computers may not be as fickle as they were back in the early days of >PCs, but it is still a good idea to keep your printer and your computer >on separate circuits. Hi All: Thanks Ann and Eliot for your responses to my question. Are there any other solutions available (other than having my apartment rewired) that would do the same thing? I've not had a problem so far when I've lost power. But I do need to replace my surge protector and am trying to decide what the best step would be. Thanks, in advance. Willa MacAllen Indexing, Proofreading, Editing, Research MacAllen's Information Services Brighton, MA ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 07:12:05 +1100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: jon Subject: Re: Meaning of versus In-Reply-To: <4.1.19991222010252.00b95360@mail.asis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to Victoria and Carol (in another post) for this information. >I think v. is used strictly for legal cases, e.g., _Brown v. Board of >Education_. I think versus is now a fully Australian word (therefore not needing italics as a Roman word) as my son (age 9) talks about 'versing' his friends, eg, 'I versed Keith in handball today'. It sounds really strange to me, but I think its entrenched with them. Glenda. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:24:01 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: surge protectors In-Reply-To: <199912231800.NAA15689@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Thanks Ann and Eliot for your responses to my question. > > Are there any other solutions available (other than having my apartment > rewired) that would do the same thing? I've not had a problem so far when > I've lost power. But I do need to replace my surge protector and > am trying > to decide what the best step would be. Is the circuit breaker box for your apartment inside your apartment? If so, I would experiment with selectively turning off breakers to determine which wall outlets are on which circuit. You may very well have two circuits near enough to each other that you can plug the computer into one and the printer into another. If you have nobody to help you with this, there is a way you can do it by yourself. Plug a radio into the outlet you want to test and turn the volume so you can hear it from the breaker box. At the breaker box, turn off breakers until the radio falls silent. You then know which breaker controls that wall outlet. Repeat for all outlets. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:42:12 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: magnetix@IX.NETCOM.COM Subject: Versus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---- It's been noted that "vs." has 2 meanings: 1) comparison 2) opposition. So consider the entry: "France: vs. Germany". Which is it? This argues against the ambiguous use of "vs." Unless space is very tight, I would rephrase this: 1) for the comparison sense, I might say France: compared to Germany or France: and Germany, compared (which I prefer) 2) for the opposition sense, I might say France: rivalry with Germany France: conflict with Germany or just France: and Germany (which I prefer) ----- It might be possible to introduce a shorter term for "compared to", such as: France: cf. Germany Though it might seem odd at first, it might become accepted in some specialist fields. *** Peter Rooney magnetix@ix.netcom.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 09:45:32 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Wanda Harding Subject: Re: surge protectors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since this answer might help others - I'll post it here. I live in a rural area with lots of electrical spikes (power fluctuations) and I settled on a UPS (uninterruptible power supply). It has 6 outlets (2 are ups ptoected so when the power goes out athe battery kicks in so I can shut the system down properly) and the other 4 have surge protection only. Occasionally I hear the alarm beep when there is a big spike, and it has saved me lots of grief several times when someone hit a power pole and the power went out. You can buy them at Sam's Club, Circuit City or any larger computer store in person or on the net. Best regards and happy holidays, Wanda Harding Technical writer and indexing student Willa MacAllen wrote: > Hi All: > > A few months back folks were talking about their experiences with surge > protectors. A friend told me tonite that she has a surge protector that > also helps to protect against brownouts. She got the surge protector from > IBM (where she got her new computer). However, she also told me that the > one caveat with her model is that her instructions say that she can't > attach (or use) a lazer printer with this model of the surge protector. > > Does anyone know if this restriction applies to just the IBM model or is > it a universal aspect of surge protectors in general? > > Hoping this question makes sense, since the information is word of mouth > and not from any documentation. > > Willa (putting together my own shopping list........:) ) > > Willa MacAllen > Indexing, Proofreading, Editing, Research > MacAllen's Information Services > Brighton, MA ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:58:21 -0500 Reply-To: shecrab@concentric.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christin Keck Organization: All the time. It's my job. Subject: Re: surge protectors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is to add to the surge protectors discussion. This month's Consumer Reports has an article on them, rating the best ones. Before you buy one, it might be a good place to check. -- CK, or as they say in Spain, "Yes, what?" VISIT THE WORLD OF WHISLBABE: http://www.geocities.com/soho/square/4033/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 10:04:39 -0800 Reply-To: anderson@the-indexer.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charles Anderson Subject: Re: surge protectors In-Reply-To: <3863870C.17BEA1FE@epix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Something to keep in mind even with surge protectors is that the spikes the protector is saving you from do wear out the resitors, etc. that provide the protection. Depending on the quality of surge protector, even one spike can kill it. Wanda has good advice, but one thing to look for in a surge protector is a warning light that tells you when the protection has died. I have also seen advice on the Web that surge protectors should be replaced regularly every couple of years. The nice thing about a UPS is that most of them also serve a primitive voltage regulation function. Mine kicks in if the voltage drops (brownout) or peaks (spikes) above a fairly narrow range. It also filters out line interference. If you really want to be safe, you can buy a separate voltage regulator for around $300. Charles R. Anderson the-indexer.com PO Box 15642, Seattle, WA 98115-0642 5028 37th Ave. NE, Seattle, WA 98105 (non-USPS deliveries) Voice: 206-985-8799, 206-524-6624 Cell Phone: 206-841-5209 Fax: 206-985-8796 (fax) Web: http://www.the-indexer.com E-Mail: anderson@the-indexer.com -----Original Message----- From: Indexer's Discussion Group [mailto:INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU]On Behalf Of Wanda Harding Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 6:46 AM To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU Subject: Re: surge protectors Since this answer might help others - I'll post it here. I live in a rural area with lots of electrical spikes (power fluctuations) and I settled on a UPS (uninterruptible power supply). It has 6 outlets (2 are ups ptoected so when the power goes out athe battery kicks in so I can shut the system down properly) and the other 4 have surge protection only. Occasionally I hear the alarm beep when there is a big spike, and it has saved me lots of grief several times when someone hit a power pole and the power went out. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 16:37:21 -0800 Reply-To: tedne@w-link.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: TN Subject: (no subject) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nomail ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 01:46:51 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JAbbott916@AOL.COM Subject: name index question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear everyone, In doing a name index, I have entered several hundred names (from one page of a private school newsletter) where donations were being acknowledged. A great quantity of these names were given as Mr. & Mrs., one or the other being an alumnus. Nearly all, if not all of these same names have shown up individually already without the Mr. or Mrs., so now I have double entries, in a sense, for most names. Having thought about this for a day or two, I suddenly wonder what kind of a stew have I concocted for myself? And worse yet, should it, can I get out of it, and if so, how? The possibility of tending each name individually presents itself, but I'm not even sure what the nature of the attention should be. John ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 07:34:19 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Deborah E. Patton" Subject: Re: name index question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah, donor names. You might be able to omit all these. Does the school have access to these names through another function, and if not, would they be able to use these from the newsletter? I worked in a development office of a small college in the 1980s where all gifts were recorded on index cards. After I was there for about three months, we got a new hot dog development officer who began asking questions about the donors. Who gave more than $500? What did they give it for? Where do they live? Turns out he was asking data base management questions before we had a database. Taught me a lot, but what a pain since it wasn't automated. I'd say it'll be likely that most of the donors will show up in the newsletter in another capacity. And if there's no one with vision at that school who might ask questions about these donors... well I'd skip them. Those lists can get pretty long and other newsletter information will be more helpful. Deborah ================================ Deborah E. Patton, Indexer deborahpatton@mindspring.com http://pattonindexing.home.mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:54:45 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Willa MacAllen Subject: Index job available (preferably in Boston) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed NOTE: PLEASE DO NOT APPLY EITHER TO THE LIST OR TO ME FOR THIS JOB. Hi All: A project on the history of early childhood education is available for indexing. The deadline is January 20 and the section to be indexed is approximately 300 pages in length. The author lives in Brookline, Mass and would prefer the indexer to be based in Boston or Massachusetts, if at all possible. The name of the author is Celia Lascarides. Telephone is (617) 232-4725. She does not have email, but does have voice mail. Thanks for your help. Willa MacAllen Indexing, Proofreading, Editing, Research MacAllen's Information Services Brighton, MA ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:39:40 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: Re: name index question In-Reply-To: <0.c405a902.2598655b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think I would just index the presence of that list, not the contents. I had a situation like that once, a table spanning 6 pages with about 200 studies with all the scientists who worked on each study listed indidually, a total of about 400 names. I called and asked about it was told to index all the names, and said very nicely, I can index all those names but I'll have to charge substantially extra over the agreed upon page rate for each of those pages and would need an extra day at least. It was very quickly agreed that all I should do was index the table itself. I nearly fainted (and cried) when I first came upon that table. Good luck. R >Dear everyone, >In doing a name index, I have entered several hundred names (from one page of >a private school newsletter) where donations were being acknowledged. A >great quantity of these names were given as Mr. & Mrs., one or the other >being an alumnus. Nearly all, if not all of these same names have shown up >individually already without the Mr. or Mrs., so now I have double entries, >in a sense, for most names. Having thought about this for a day or two, I >suddenly wonder what kind of a stew have I concocted for myself? And worse >yet, should it, can I get out of it, and if so, how? The possibility of >tending each name individually presents itself, but I'm not even sure what >the nature of the attention should be. > >John Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric racric ICQ 31476947 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:28:54 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elliot Linzer Subject: Re: name index question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is my standard answer to almost all indexing questions: Get advice or instructions from the editor (client). What do they want in the index? What is needed and what is not? Something else to keep in mind: Just because two names look similar, or even identical, it doesn't mean that they belong to the same person (or couple). You may not know when several members of the same family attended the school or unrelated people with the same name happened to be there. Again, ask someone who may know better than you know. | Elliot Linzer | 43-05 Crommelin Street | Flushing, New York 11355 | (718) 353-1261 | elinzer@juno.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:09:35 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Willa MacAllen Subject: Re: name index question In-Reply-To: <19991227.133633.-169331.2.elinzer@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:28 PM 12/27/99 -0500, you wrote: > Here is my standard answer to almost all indexing questions: Get > advice >or instructions from the editor (client). What do they want in the >index? What is needed and what is not? > Hi All: Yes, that's what I do, i.e., ask the editor/author what they want done. However, Rachel's point is a good one. If anyone wants a name index, make sure they (the author/editor) knows up front what the cost will be. This is from one who is learning from experience how to set appropriate rates for different materials... :) Willa (who is glad that I'm not the only one working on deadlines today...considering how quiet the list is, I thought maybe everyone was taking the week off....:) ) Willa MacAllen Indexing, Proofreading, Editing, Research MacAllen's Information Services Brighton, MA ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:50:35 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Julia Marshall Subject: Re: INDEX-L Digest - 26 Dec 1999 to 27 Dec 1999 (#1999-149) In-Reply-To: <199912280503.AAA29487@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all, Just my two cents about the donor name index. One good reason to check with the editor is that it makes good political sense to include all of those donor names in the index. Then the fundraisers can whip out the index when they want to call on people and a) acknowledge their contributions and b) ask for more money. Deborah is probably right in that there might be another place that has picked all that up, but do ask. If you do end up putting all those names in I would put in both the Mister and Missus just once under the last name with the titles after. Example: Smith, John, Mr. and Mrs. I would also charge more for all those names as well. It's a lot of work. Hope this helps. Regards, Julia Marshall Marshall Indexing Services 301-585-8757 Regards, Julia Marshall Marshall Indexing Services 301-585-8757