Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9901E" ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:08:01 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Conroy Subject: Re: Need advice on first project At 03:06 PM 1/28/1999 -0800, Jean Middleton wrote: >If any of you have the time to give me the benefit of your experience, I >would certainly appreciate it. I know how pressed for time you are, but >I have also had lots of helpful advice from many of you on becoming an >indexer. Thank you for any help you can give me. Oh, yes--how do I treat >the fictional people, put their names in quotation marks with a headnote >in the beginning? Several illustrations are in the middle of the book, >but they are paginated with captions. However (against my advice), my >son did not put a table of contents in his book and there is no list of >illustrations. Should I just list the subject, such as Bergh, Henry (il, >p220) or is there a better way? There are pictures of Mary Ellen before >and after her rescue. >BTW, my son says I have only two pages for the index! I believe I can >get more by having him remove his order blanks in the back! Jean, I'm a little confused. Are you working from a manuscript, or from finished pages? It sounds as if your son is self-publishing his book and has typeset it himself, leaving you with the nearly-impossible task of creating an index in only two pages. For a book of this type, I would say that is virtually un-do-able. If you absolutely must use only two pages, forget including fictional characters at all...and probably you will not have room to index the pictures if they require a separate heading. If Mary Ellen already has a column of entries, it won't take that much space to add a page number for a picture, but if you have to add a whole new line to accommodate JUST a reference to a picture, you'll never manage to stay within that page limitation. I feel as if I am giving advice, though, without knowing all the parameters. I've worked with self-publishers before, but I don't feel I know enough about this project to really be of more help. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:42:47 -0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Headley Subject: E-books E-books seem to be coming closer. http://www.independent.co.uk/ Go to Comment Go to This one's a real page-turner This newspaper doesn't have an on-line archive, so you won't be able to see it after midnight GMT. Nor can you go straight to the page you want... The article has a link to Levenger, who stock them. Christine Headley Stroud, Glos ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 07:53:09 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "John R. Sullivan" Subject: Re: E-books Also check out the Softbook (www.softbook.com); Rocket eBook can be seen at the Levenger site mentioned, as well as at www.rocket-ebook.com/enter.html. Still a very young technology, but certainly worth keeping an eye on. Prices will come down and more titles will become available. I'm not sure what format these things use (I read about another one somewhere that uses PDF), but I would imagine that at some point in the not-to-distant future there will be some demand for people to index new titles being developed for these devices. Get in on the ground floor! John Sullivan Stratus Computer > -----Original Message----- > From: Christine Headley [SMTP:chps@GLOBALNET.CO.UK] > Sent: Friday, January 29, 1999 7:43 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: E-books > > E-books seem to be coming closer. > > http://www.independent.co.uk/ > > Go to Comment > > Go to This one's a real page-turner > > This newspaper doesn't have an on-line archive, so you won't be able to > see > it after midnight GMT. Nor can you go straight to the page you want... > The article has a link to Levenger, who stock them. > > > Christine Headley > Stroud, Glos > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:51:12 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Janet C. Mccall" Subject: Cindex files Hi Can anyone help me understand how to electronically send a Cindex file. I was told that the CDX file is the working file and that I should send an ARC file since it is more compressed. Do I change the CDX to ARC file and if so how do I do that? How do I know which file is the CDX and which is the ARC when I go to send it. I also am suppose to zip this file before sending. Obviously I am a little confused. I used to electronically send Cindex DOS files all the time without any problems but when I switched over to windows I seem to be a bit confused. Thanks for any help that might be out there. JCMCCALL ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:17:15 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Michael K. Smith" Subject: Re: Cindex files In-Reply-To: <199901291356.IAA29368@mail3.bellsouth.net> | Can anyone help me understand how to electronically send a |Cindex file. I |was told that the CDX file is the working file and that I should |send an ARC |file since it is more compressed. Do I change the CDX to ARC file |and if so |how do I do that? How do I know which file is the CDX and which is the ARC |when I go to send it. I also am suppose to zip this file before sending. |Obviously I am a little confused. I used to electronically send |Cindex DOS |files all the time without any problems but when I switched over |to windows I |seem to be a bit confused. Thanks for any help that might be out there. | JCMCCALL First, .arc files and .zip files are just two different types of compression; you don't need to do both. Because of the enormous popularity and prevalence of WinZIP, .zip is by far the easiest to deal with these days. Both ARC-ing and ZIP-ing will result in a new (compressed) file with the appropriate terminal: xxxx.arc or xxxx.zip. You shouldn't have any trouble telling them apart. ZIP-ing is useful not only for compressing a file so it will travel quicker, but also for keeping a number of files together so you can send them all in a single 'package'. Then you can just "attach" the compressed file to an email and send it off. If you're using Eudora, Outlook, or Netscape to do this, it's pretty straightforward; there's a menu item (usually under TOOLS or INSERT) for creating attachments. (I can't say what other programs might require...) Mike Michael K. Smith Smith Editorial Services mksmith1@bellsouth.net ICQ #15741870 http://members.tripod.com/~smith_editorial/ses.html ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ If a man has any connection with Texas, Harvard, or the U.S. Marine Corps, he'll let you know it in the first five minutes of conversation. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:21:56 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Johnna VanHoose Dinse Subject: Re: Cindex files Janet, Because most of my clients will convert the index to Word, I save my .cdx file as a Word file or RTF and then zip it before sending it as an e-mail attachment. Johnna VanHoose Indexing, Editing, Proofreading Indianapolis, IN -----Original Message----- From: Janet C. Mccall To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Date: Friday, January 29, 1999 8:56 AM Subject: Cindex files >Hi > Can anyone help me understand how to electronically send a Cindex file. I >was told that the CDX file is the working file and that I should send an ARC >file since it is more compressed. Do I change the CDX to ARC file and if so >how do I do that? How do I know which file is the CDX and which is the ARC >when I go to send it. I also am suppose to zip this file before sending. >Obviously I am a little confused. I used to electronically send Cindex DOS >files all the time without any problems but when I switched over to windows I >seem to be a bit confused. Thanks for any help that might be out there. > JCMCCALL > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:28:03 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paul Lightfoot Subject: Lurking To all you lurkers out there: = My sister gave me a desk calendar which has a "Forgotten English" word or= phrase for each day. Today's word is "lurkers", with the following extrac= t from Henry Mayhew's _London Labour and the London Poor_, 1861: "These professional writers are in possession of many autographs of charitable persons, and, as they keep a dozen or more bottle of ink, and seldom write two documents on the same sort of paper, it is difficult to detect the imposition. A famous lurker was once taken before a magistrate= at York whose own signature was attached to his fakement. The imitation w= as excellent and the lurker swore hard and fast that he [the justice] did write it. . . . The effrontery and firmness of the prisoner's statement gained him his discharge." Nice to know we are in good company. ;-) Today is also St. Francis de Sales's Eve. He is the patron saint of writers, so maybe we should all light a candle tomorrow. Best wishes, Sue Lightfoot Cornwall, England ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:40:25 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "M. Jessie Barczak" Subject: Re: Cindex files At 08:51 AM 1/29/99 EST, you wrote: >Hi > Can anyone help me understand how to electronically send a Cindex file. I >was told that the CDX file is the working file and that I should send an ARC >file since it is more compressed. Do I change the CDX to ARC file and if so >how do I do that? How do I know which file is the CDX and which is the ARC >when I go to send it. I also am suppose to zip this file before sending. >Obviously I am a little confused. I used to electronically send Cindex DOS >files all the time without any problems but when I switched over to windows I >seem to be a bit confused. Thanks for any help that might be out there. > JCMCCALL > > I would highly recommend that you simply "ZIP" the .cdx file because I have experienced formatting and/or other coding problems when trying to convert an ARC file in the second generation. There are many websites that offer free or shareware zip programs. Zipping works with both DOS and WINDOWS files. M. J. Barczak Washington, D.C. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:32:44 -0500 Reply-To: tombrown@mint.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: tom brown Subject: Re: Cindex files Michael K. Smith wrote: > ZIP-ing is useful not only for compressing a file so it will travel quicker, > but also for keeping a number of files together so you can send them all in > a single 'package'. > I've used only PCs, and would like to know if a MAC can receive and process a file that has been ZIPed on a PC. I would assume so, but would like verification. Thanks, ____ /om tombrown@mint.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:45:13 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Diane Brenner Subject: Resources/References I just discovered this obscurely-titled resource that is a list of "Online Dictionaries, Glossaries and Encylopedias." Though out of date (last updated in 1996!), many of the links still work and the scope is rather impressive. I found that about two-thirds of the sites I clicked on were still active. Anyway, it's out there if you need it. http://www-ocean.tamu.edu/~baum/hyperref.html Diane Brenner Worthington, MA 01098 dbrenner@javanet.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:09:39 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Duhon Subject: Re: Cindex files In-Reply-To: <199901291444.JAA06943@mask.uits.indiana.edu> On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, tom brown wrote: > Michael K. Smith wrote: > > > ZIP-ing is useful not only for compressing a file so it will travel quicker, > > but also for keeping a number of files together so you can send them all in > > a single 'package'. > > > I've used only PCs, and would like to know if a MAC can receive and > process a file that has been ZIPed on a PC. I would assume so, but would > like verification. Yes, there are Mac utilities that can unzip files zipped on a PC. I use one called Zipit. Of course the Mac still needs appropriate softwere to read the file after it is unzipped. Does anyone know if Cindex files are interchangeable between Macs and PCs? Susan ______________________________________________________________ Susan T. Duhon Indiana University Axolotl Colony Phone 812-855-8260 Jordan Hall 407 Fax 812-855-6705 Bloomington, IN 47405 USA email duhon@indiana.edu http://www.indiana.edu/~axolotl/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:26:44 -0500 Reply-To: "Seth A. Maislin" Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Seth A. Maislin" Subject: Re: E-books This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01BE4B71.DE7BDE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable E-books already exist, and are being marketed. O'Reilly & Associates has = been working with one of the e-book technologies (I can't remember = which) to format existing books for those who want to download them. = It's an amazing resale opportunity, especially for computer books (since = the computer "fanatics" are going to be among the first people to buy = e-book readers). I've learned a little bit about formatting, however, and if you thought = HTML had limitations, you should see the code for e-books. For example, = you can't have tables or embedded lists. It should be frightening to see = what happens to e-book indexes. I'm reminded of how the online help systems work for WebTV, for example. = Worse than the early computers, which could hold only 64k, WebTV has = even less memory available for long-term storage. (Most WebTV memory is = wiped when the TV is turned off, or downloaded when the TV is = operating.) So the help system has to be squeezed into a very small = memory space. It is an interesting lesson in economic writing. - Seth Seth Maislin=20 Focus Information Services=20 smaislin@world.std.com=20 -----Original Message----- From: John R. Sullivan To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L = Date: Friday, January 29, 1999 8:00 AM Subject: Re: E-books Also check out the Softbook (www.softbook.com); Rocket eBook can be seen = at the Levenger site mentioned, as well as at = www.rocket-ebook.com/enter.html. Still a very young technology, but certainly worth keeping an eye on. = Prices will come down and more titles will become available. I'm not sure what format these things use (I read about another one somewhere that uses = PDF), but I would imagine that at some point in the not-to-distant future = there will be some demand for people to index new titles being developed for = these devices. Get in on the ground floor! John Sullivan Stratus Computer > -----Original Message----- > From: Christine Headley [SMTP:chps@GLOBALNET.CO.UK] > Sent: Friday, January 29, 1999 7:43 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: E-books > > E-books seem to be coming closer. > > http://www.independent.co.uk/ > > Go to Comment > > Go to This one's a real page-turner > > This newspaper doesn't have an on-line archive, so you won't be able = to > see > it after midnight GMT. Nor can you go straight to the page you = want... > The article has a link to Levenger, who stock them. > > > Christine Headley > Stroud, Glos > ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01BE4B71.DE7BDE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
E-books already exist, and are being = marketed.=20 O'Reilly & Associates has been working with one of the e-book = technologies=20 (I can't remember which) to format existing books for those who want to = download=20 them. It's an amazing resale opportunity, especially for computer books = (since=20 the computer "fanatics" are going to be among the first people = to buy=20 e-book readers).
 
I've learned a little bit about formatting, however, = and if=20 you thought HTML had limitations, you should see the code for e-books. = For=20 example, you can't have tables or embedded lists. It should be = frightening to=20 see what happens to e-book indexes.
 
I'm reminded of how the online help = systems work=20 for WebTV, for example. Worse than the early computers, which could hold = only=20 64k, WebTV has even less memory available for long-term storage. (Most = WebTV=20 memory is wiped when the TV is turned off, or downloaded when the TV is=20 operating.) So the help system has to be squeezed into a very small = memory=20 space. It is an interesting lesson in economic writing.
 
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> <chps@globalnet.co.uk><= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01BE4B71.DE7BDE40-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:48:51 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Anita Levy Subject: CINDEX files I transfer CINDEX files between my Mac version and my Windows version by converting to the .arc as an intermediate step. (My Mac is a Power Mac which does allow you to use a DOS-formatted disk.) This works except you have to redo some of the style and sort options. Hope this helps. Anita Levy Space Coast Indexers ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:55:26 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Need advice on first project Jean wrote: << Mary Ellen is mentioned on nearly every page in the sections about her. Most of these would go under a subheading such as "abuse of" but the strings could get very long. Bell says long strings are unavoidable in biographies. >> Jean, I would break Mary Ellen down further. It sounds as if one of the biography methods might be appropriate: Make a main heading for "Wilson, Mary Ellen, abuse of," and then create subheadings for that main heading--you might even come up with smaller sections of the information about her abuse. Maybe there are other main headings you can make for her. Long strings turn up in biographies for minor characters who keep writing letters to the subject, but I wouldn't think they would be acceptable in the heading for the main subject. Hope that's clearly written enough--I just woke up! Congratulations on your first job! Tell you son that a good index for this book will require quite a bit more than two pages! Do Mi ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:45:33 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Robin Hilp Subject: Re: indexing an index entry...! Margie Towery wrote: >There were two mentions of indexes to atlases, >so (he! he!), of course I put them in the index! Remembering the "indexes in fiction" thread ... a Doctor Who episode (_Castrovalva_, I think) has a funny scene about indexes ... they need to find something in the TARDIS computer ... so they try to look it up in the Index File ... but can't find the Index File ... and lament that *if* they had an Index File they could look Index File up in the Index File! == RolyBear ICQ 1863181 (Robin Hilp) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 12:59:07 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rebecca Miller Subject: Re: Cindex files help more, please. Can you tell me the steps you take to zip? Take it from the step after you have it as rtf in Word. thanks. then willit be accessible through My Documents of Word same as the RTF? thanks If I have a zip program I donnt know the name or how to manipulate it. Sorry, it's just that I was absent that day they taught that class... :) rebecca ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:23:10 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin A. Broccoli" Subject: Re: Cindex files Hi Rebecca: Go to this URL: https://secure.safesite.com/cgi-bin/wzb1 You can order WinZip from there. There are different ways to zip a file. What I do is go to Windows Explorer, grab the file I want, and drag and drop it into the WinZap application (which looks like a little vise). It then makes a file with the same name as your rtf file, but with zip as the ending. It will also have a little vise as an icon. You can send it in this form. The receiver can extract the zipped info (if they have WinZip) and use it as it was before zipped. There's also a way to make it self-extracting for those who don't have WinZip, but this increases the file size considerably. Kevin Broccoli -----Original Message----- From: Rebecca Miller To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Date: Friday, January 29, 1999 3:54 PM Subject: Re: Cindex files >help more, please. Can you tell me the steps you take to zip? Take it >from the step after you have it as rtf in Word. thanks. >then willit be accessible through My Documents of Word same as the RTF? >thanks >If I have a zip program I donnt know the name or how to manipulate it. >Sorry, it's just that I was absent that day they taught that class... >:) >rebecca ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:05:56 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Linda Sloan Subject: Re: Cindex files In-Reply-To: <199901291521.HAA15240@ixmail8.ix.netcom.com> At 10:09 AM 1/29/99 -0500, you wrote: >On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, tom brown wrote: > >> Michael K. Smith wrote: >> >> > ZIP-ing is useful not only for compressing a file so it will travel quicker, >> > but also for keeping a number of files together so you can send them all in >> > a single 'package'. >> > >> I've used only PCs, and would like to know if a MAC can receive and >> process a file that has been ZIPed on a PC. I would assume so, but would >> like verification. > >Yes, there are Mac utilities that can unzip files zipped on a PC. I use >one called Zipit. Of course the Mac still needs appropriate softwere to >read the file after it is unzipped. Does anyone know if Cindex files are >interchangeable between Macs and PCs? > >Susan I don't know about reading straight Cindex files on Mac unless you have Cindex for Mac on it. I would convert it to either RTF or a .DAT file then send it. The best advice is to ask the person you're sending it to what format they want it in and work with them from there. Knowing what software they are working with helps a lot Sincerely, Linda Kenny Sloan indexer@ix.netcom.com ******************************************* Information Universe Editorial services for the aerospace and astronomy communities http://informationuniverse.com ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:14:11 -0800 Reply-To: jeanmidd@prodigy.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jean Middleton Subject: Re: Need advice on first project Do Mi, Thanks so much for your suggestion. I believe such a breakdown would be good, I had not thought of that. I am having quite a problem with the women whose husbands die, and they remarry. Bell also gives some suggestions on that one, but it is tricky. Mary Ellen's mother remarries after her father dies, but since she has already abandoned the girl, she only pops up once or twice under her new name. OTOH, ME's stepmother abuses ME under one name, the "daddy" dies, she remarries, and there is a new "daddy" but Mama is now Mary Connolly instead of Mary McCormick. I used the Bell suggestion of putting (later Mrs. Francis Connolly) in the heading and referring reference to Connolly, Mrs. Francis, to that. It seems awkward and I know it is not an uncommon problem for indexers. It is rare these days to be married only once. The epilogue has some wonderful information about what happened to Mary Ellen after rescue and how the ASPCA has progressed. It definitely seems to belong in the index. Should I just insert it into the index as a whole, or should it go under title of Epilogue? I will understand if you are too busy for this. My son just told me today who some of the fictional characters are. One in particular I had thought was a major player! Thanks again, Jean ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:23:45 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nell Benton Subject: Re: Cindex files I have had bad luck sending .arc files via email. The bolds and italics were stripped and bad records turned up. Worst of all a large chunk of the index disappeared. (This was after the final edit so it went to press that way - a huge shame!) I was using AOL and I suspect that might be the problem. I hanker after the days when I could "write" and "read" in DOS Cindex. Nell ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:47:30 +1100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jon & Glenda Subject: Re: indexing an index entry...! I have never indexed an index entry, but I have thought about indexing the index in a periodical I index, as the first issue one year contained a cumulated index for the previous seven years, and the last issue contained the index for the current year. It seemed a bit silly though, and not likely to be consulted, so I didn't. I did, however, index the indexer (i.e. me) in the list of author's names, although I felt somewhat immodest doing so. What would you have done? Glenda. Do Mi wrote: > !! The influence of indexers stretches far....Now, let's see--should I put > that index entry in my index?? (I'll wait and see if the wording > matches the > language my author uses. Probably not, but it would be fun.) Does > it ring a > bell with any of you? Louisiana State University Press. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:18:57 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Shuttleworth Subject: Fw: Re: Need advice on first project Jean, I am just wondering if you have the *second* edition of Hazel Bell's book on Indexing Biographies. It is a more extended version of the first (65 pages) and includes some comments on fictional characters on pages 7 and 41. She suggests that they should be typographically distinguished from real people, for example by putting their names in quotes. It is really worth getting even if you have the first edition. You wrote: Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Janet Russell Subject: Re: indexing an index entry...! I took over the index to a periodical which had indeed indexed the previous year's index. The first year I did index the index, but later decided that it was silly. I didn't index myself, though. The publisher is puts my name in large letters at the head of the index and that is good enough for me. Janet Russell > I have never indexed an index entry, but I have thought about indexing the > index in a periodical I index, as the first issue one year contained a > cumulated index for the previous seven years, and the last issue contained > the index for the current year. It seemed a bit silly though, and not likely > to be consulted, so I didn't. > > I did, however, index the indexer (i.e. me) in the list of author's names, > although I felt somewhat immodest doing so. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:53:52 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Shuttleworth Subject: Re: indexing an index entry...! In Douglas R. Hofstadter's own index to his book Le ton beau de Marot, which I reviewed in The Indexer (vol. 21 no. 1, April 1998), he has an entry for the index, which runs as follows: index: challenges of, 598; as revelatory of book's nature, 598; typo in, 631; as work of art, 598 The index covers pages 609 to 632. On page 631 there is an index entry: typo in index, 633 There is no page 633. But Hofstadter is a law unto himself. Christine ************************************************************ Christine Shuttleworth, Indexing & Editorial Services Flat 1, 25 St Stephen's Avenue London W12 8JB, UK e-mail: cshuttle@dircon.co.uk **************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 09:32:45 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rebecca Miller Subject: Re: Cindex files thanks for the hint on obtaining and using WinZip. Guess it didnt 'come' with my system although I once downloaded a selfunzipping file. thanks so much to all. rebecca ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:42:10 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: indexpup@CERULEAN.PROPAGATION.NET Subject: Index-L Archive's search engine The search engine for the Index-L archives is now working from http://www.indexpup.com/index-list . Improvement/configuration of the engine is in process, but the search engine is up, running, and works great. --Ilana Kingsley ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 14:40:41 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lawrenc846@AOL.COM Subject: re E-books For another example of an E-book I offer one of my own that came out last year ("Motagua Colonial"). The blurb can be found by going to www.cmonline.com/boson/ and looking under nonfiction. The publisher noted (in response to an inquiry): "...And if we were to go out of business, we would be sure first that you or another reputable publisher would have the file online and accessible to readers/scholars." "Tell him, too, that your book will also be distributed in diskette format at Amazon.com. We get orders every week from Amazon, Borders, B&N, B&T, Ingram, etc., for diskette copies of books." "Your book will soon be listed at Amazon's site. As soon as Amazon puts up the first batch of book I sent them, I will send another. Some of the online catalog sellers get their listings direct from Books in Print. Amazon solicits them so we get to send images and more info than BIP gives." And yes, it does have an index (I did it the usual way and placed it in the usual position in the book). I expect to be giving this publisher another book manuscript sometime this year. ******************************************************** Lawrence H. Feldman Post Office Box 2493 Wheaton Maryland 20915-2493 Lawrenc846@aol.com Indexer - Researcher - Writer ******************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:27:57 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: indexing an index entry...! The thing I thought was so neat about finding this quote in a book is that the creative work of an indexer contributed to the pool of scholarly writing about the subject! Do Mi ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:00:55 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Julie Sherman Grayson Subject: Re: indexing an index entry...scholarly writing contribution Slightly off the subject, but interesting ... while I was indexing an American History textbook ... I had just finished the early colonial period which contained the standard "no one knows what happened to the Roanoak settlement". I coincidentally saw a news clip on the internet about the College of William and Mary discovering, through the examination of tree rings, that there had been a horrendous drought during that time period. I noted this on a post-it that I attach to pages which contain composition errors. When I received my copy of the book, I was looking through it and they had inserted a "science connections box" highlighting precisely that detail. I was pleased, to say the least. Julie ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:06:49 -0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sandra Shotter Subject: WP question HELP! I am in the middle of my very first index. I am working in WordPerfect 6 and have hit a problem. I was taught that JUSTIFICATION shouldn't be used because of the effect it has on the spacing in an index. In other words, the line of text should not automatically wrap round to the next line. I don't know how to stop the computer doing this. I can't turn the justification off completely. I have looked up "word wrap" in the help file and a completely different subject comes up. It obviously needs indexing properly! I'm getting desperate because of the time constraints. Does anyone have any ideas? Sandra sandrashotter@whd.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:21:50 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Deborah Wager Subject: Re: WP question Sandra Shotter wrote: > HELP! > > I am in the middle of my very first index. I am working in WordPerfect 6 > and have hit a problem. I was taught that JUSTIFICATION shouldn't be used > because of the effect it has on the spacing in an index. In other words, the > line of text should not automatically wrap round to the next line. > I don't know how to stop the computer doing this. I think what you need to avoid is "full justification." That spaces the text so the right margin is even. Use "left justification" to keep the spacing consistent and give you a ragged right margin. (Center justification centers text on the line and right justification gives you a ragged left margin and an even right margin.) I don't know of a way to turn off word wrap in WP. It doesn't take kindly to having things go beyond the margins. Just use a hard return when you want a new line. Hope this helps. Debbie Wager ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:06:09 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Michael K. Smith" Subject: Re: Cindex files In-Reply-To: <199901300326.WAA21417@mail4.bellsouth.net> Nell, I can't imagine a way in which the compression algorithm could have done that. ZIP, ARC, or any other method just compresses whatever it finds in the file. That's why it's so useful for sending formatted files; I send and receive heavily formatted WordPerfect and PageMaker files all the time, having squeezed them with WinZIP, and they always come through perfectly... AOL, on the other hand, is capable of anything! Mike Michael K. Smith Smith Editorial Services mksmith1@bellsouth.net ICQ #15741870 http://members.tripod.com/~smith_editorial/ses.html ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ If a man has any connection with Texas, Harvard, or the U.S. Marine Corps, he'll let you know it in the first five minutes of conversation. |-----Original Message----- |From: Indexer's Discussion Group |[mailto:INDEX-L@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU]On Behalf Of Nell Benton |Sent: Friday, January 29, 1999 9:24 PM |To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L |Subject: Re: Cindex files | | |I have had bad luck sending .arc files via email. The bolds and |italics were |stripped and bad records turned up. Worst of all a large chunk of the index |disappeared. (This was after the final edit so it went to press |that way - a |huge shame!) I was using AOL and I suspect that might be the |problem. I hanker |after the days when I could "write" and "read" in DOS Cindex. Nell | ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 20:11:32 -0500 Reply-To: contextcomm@worldnet.att.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Anne Day Subject: Compressing files After reading the discussion about compressing files, I just wanted to ask: When using WinZip or other compression software on a PC, can't you create a self-extracting file? That would alleviate the need for the recipient to have a means to uncompress the file. I use Stuffit Deluxe for the Mac, and when I'm not sure if the recepient of my file has a way to uncompress it, I use the "create self-extracting archive" option so the file will automatically uncompress. It comes in very handy. Anne -- Anne Day, Indexer ConTEXT Communications Holland, Pennsylvania contextcomm@worldnet.att.net "Great minds discuss ideas... Average minds discuss events... Small minds discuss people." ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 20:57:35 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Nancy A. Guenther" Subject: Re: WP question In-Reply-To: <199901302243.RAA10454@carriage.chesco.com> At 09:06 PM 1/30/99 +0000, you wrote: >HELP! > >I am in the middle of my very first index. I am working in WordPerfect 6 >and have hit a problem. I was taught that JUSTIFICATION shouldn't be used >because of the effect it has on the spacing in an index. In other words, the >line of text should not automatically wrap round to the next line. >I don't know how to stop the computer doing this. I can't turn the >justification off completely. I have looked up "word wrap" in the help file >and a completely different subject comes up. It obviously needs indexing >properly! >I'm getting desperate because of the time constraints. Does anyone have any >ideas? You didn't indicate what type of index you are working on. Most standard index entries wouldn't run beyond the standard width of the page. There are a couple possibilities to keep your entries on one line which I assume is what you are needing: reduce the size of your font to get more characters per line set page margins to a smaller number use Page Setup to use landscape pages I'm assuming with these suggestions you are needing to prepare the content of the file but that the publisher will be doing the final formatting. Nancy Guenther nanguent@chesco.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:00:23 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Philip Montgomery Subject: Re: WP question You're dealing with Word Wrap, not justification. Most all WP software Wraps text at the end of a line. There are two ways around this. 1) as previously mentioned just hit the hard return at the end of each line and then space in. 2) set your left margin in to its furthest point. Then use left tab to 'bump' out to the left side. ---Sandra Shotter wrote: > > HELP! > > I am in the middle of my very first index. I am working in WordPerfect 6 > and have hit a problem. I was taught that JUSTIFICATION shouldn't be used > because of the effect it has on the spacing in an index. In other words, the > line of text should not automatically wrap round to the next line. > I don't know how to stop the computer doing this. I can't turn the > justification off completely. I have looked up "word wrap" in the help file > and a completely different subject comes up. It obviously needs indexing > properly! > I'm getting desperate because of the time constraints. Does anyone have any > ideas? > > Sandra > > sandrashotter@whd.net > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:01:04 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: WP question I think Debbie is right that what you want is left justification. << I don't know of a way to turn off word wrap in WP. It doesn't take kindly to having things go beyond the margins. Just use a hard return when you want a new line. >> But don't insert any hard returns in the middle of entries in your index!! Just let the line wrap. Have you asked your publisher in what final format they want the index? These days, thank goodness, most of them don't want turnovers (wraps) indented, because they're just going to insert their own coding anyway. Do Mi ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:05:34 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Philip Montgomery Subject: Re: recording phone calls Legally I believe you must include a 30/50 signal if you are going to record a conversation to avoid State and Federal problems. A 30/50 signal is a 30 decibel tone every 50 seconds. ---Christine Xthona wrote: > > I believe you are legally allowed to record a phone call as long as you are a > participant or if at least > one of the participants is aware that it is being recorded. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 21:41:39 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Keith McQuay Subject: WordPerfect's indexing In-Reply-To: <199901300325.WAA02924@adan.kingston.net> I am about to talk to a prospective client who I suspect is going to ask me to index a 400 page book directly in his WordPerfect 8 files. Looking at WP's indexing capabilities they seem pretty rudimentary. One level of subheading -- which may be enough. You can get into the index style and change things around but I have a feeling it will fail at more complicated things like turnover lines, "Continued"'s at the head of a new column or page and so on. I suspect I will have to do a lot of manual formatting of the index once it is generated. Have you had experience indexing large WP documents? What do you think... Keith McQuay 613-634-2669 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 07:47:06 -0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sandra Shotter Subject: WP question Thanks for all your help on my justification/word wrap problem. To clarify matters for you, the editor wants run on subheadings which means that many of the entries are several lines long (it's a biography). I think that I will just go for the left justification and let the words wrap around at the end of the line. I am probably worrying too much. As it's my first index I want to make a big impression. Thanks again. Sandra sandrashotter@whd.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:34:34 GMT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Linda Sutherland Subject: Re: Compressing files The message <199901310113.BAA31137@irwell.zetnet.co.uk> from Anne Day contains these words: > After reading the discussion about compressing files, I just wanted to > ask: When using WinZip or other compression software on a PC, can't you > create a self-extracting file? WinZip 6.3 can. -- Linda Sutherland linda.sutherland@zetnet.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 23:15:09 -0500 Reply-To: cliffurr@tidalwave.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cliff Urr Subject: Wordnet Just found out one can download a copy of a 37 MB lexical database for free at this site: http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/~wn/ Here is the description: "WordNet=AE is an on-line lexical reference system whose design is inspired by current psycholinguistic theories of human lexical memory. English nouns, verbs, adjectives and adverbs are organized into synonym sets, each representing one underlying lexical concept. Different relations link the synonym sets." You can also play with it online at this site. - Cliff Urr cliffurr@tidalwave.net