Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9911C" ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:53:16 PST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Manjit Sahai Subject: Independent contractor vs. employee status Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi everyone, This morning I have gotten the biggest indexing project since I started my business. At least it is biggest for me. It is a new client and they are *not* a traditional kind of publisher. Basically it is a trade association which publishes books once in a blue moon. The problem (actually it is not a problem, but a little strange situation) I am having is that the accounting dept. of the publisher is going to deduct taxes from my check. I told the editor that I am regarded as an independent contractor by all of my other clients. She said that she will investigate this matter and request their accounting dept. to consider you as an independent contractor. So my question is.... if their accounting dept. is *not willing* to consider me as an independent contractor, then they should *not* send me 1099 form at the end of the year because they are planning to deduct the taxes from my check. So I am not liable to pay the taxes twice. Am I right? I have no knowledge about tax laws. I am not going to turn down this project worth almost $4000.00, but I will hate to pay the taxes twice on that amount. If there are any tax law experts on Index-L, I will like to hear from them. MANJIT K. SAHAI Potomac Falls, VA ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:14:56 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dawn Snyder Subject: Re: Independent contractor vs. employee status MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can treat this as a part time job. I had a client once that would only pay me as an employee. They'll send you a W-2 at the end of the year. Instead of paying taxes based on a 1099, you'll just file as if you held a job. Your tax preparer will know what to do; it's no big deal. If you prepare your own taxes, feel free to e-mail with any further questions. I've been a tax preparer for quite a few years, and I'd be happy to help. Dawn Snyder Jettio@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 10:35:19 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Karen Field Subject: Re: Independent contractor vs. employee status MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, Manjit and all... In California it works this way: You'll have to fill out a w-4 to prove (among other things) that you can legally work in the U.S. and provide social security number info, etc. Because they pull your taxes, they will send you a form at the end of the year (the W-2?) to indicate that, instead of a 1099. For example, I'm a FT salaried employee with a software company, but I do freelance work on a 1099 basis for other companies (who, of course, are not competitors of my company). At the end of the year, I receive one type of form from my employer, and a 1099 from companies for whom I've done the freelance work. Long story short, you will NOT pay taxes twice. Hope this helps... Karen Field Sr. Technical Writer Stellcom, Inc. kfield@stellcom.com -----Original Message----- From: Manjit Sahai [mailto:ramindexing@HOTMAIL.COM] Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 9:53 AM To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU Subject: Independent contractor vs. employee status Hi everyone, This morning I have gotten the biggest indexing project since I started my business. At least it is biggest for me. It is a new client and they are *not* a traditional kind of publisher. Basically it is a trade association which publishes books once in a blue moon. The problem (actually it is not a problem, but a little strange situation) I am having is that the accounting dept. of the publisher is going to deduct taxes from my check. I told the editor that I am regarded as an independent contractor by all of my other clients. She said that she will investigate this matter and request their accounting dept. to consider you as an independent contractor. So my question is.... if their accounting dept. is *not willing* to consider me as an independent contractor, then they should *not* send me 1099 form at the end of the year because they are planning to deduct the taxes from my check. So I am not liable to pay the taxes twice. Am I right? I have no knowledge about tax laws. I am not going to turn down this project worth almost $4000.00, but I will hate to pay the taxes twice on that amount. If there are any tax law experts on Index-L, I will like to hear from them. MANJIT K. SAHAI Potomac Falls, VA ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:22:51 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Willa MacAllen Subject: Re: Independent contractor vs. employee status In-Reply-To: <19991115175317.53882.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >So my question is.... if their accounting dept. is *not willing* to consider >me as an independent contractor, then they should *not* send me 1099 form at >the end of the year because they are planning to deduct the taxes from my >check. So I am not liable to pay the taxes twice. Am I right? I have no >knowledge about tax laws. Hi Manjit: I'm not sure what the tax laws are in Virginia, but I do have one client who is based in Massachusetts who automatically deducts taxes from my pay check when I do work for them. In this case, I sign the W-4 (or is it W-2 forms?) at the beginning of the first project and provide them with my social security number. They take care of all my taxes for any projects that I do for them and send me the usual form at tax time reflecting how much they have deducted for taxes on a total annual basis. I actually prefer to have long-term clients take care of the taxes, whenever possible. It doesn't happen much, because usually indexing projects are a one-time job. But, when I do multiple jobs for one client or a have long-term relationship with a client, I usually prefer to have that client take care of taxes. Willa (who took 7 rolls of pictures between two celebrations this weekend and decided to put together a scrapbook from duplicates...assuming that the photos come out, of course... :) ) Willa MacAllen Indexing, Proofreading, Editing, Research MacAllen's Information Services Brighton, MA ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:07:19 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Raising rates In-Reply-To: <199911140505.AAA21173@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I read the Brenner article with interest, because I am thinking of >charging more per page when I have to index over 9 entries per page. The >reason for this is that when I put in that many entries per page, it takes >much longer to enter the data, plus it of course makes the resulting index >longer which takes longer to index. I was just wondering what people >thought about this idea of if any of you have graduated rates depending on >how many entries per page that you have. Thanks in advance. I charge more when the # of entries per page hits 8. My clients are not surprised, because I tell them during the initial phone call that the fee depends on the density of the material. When I am asked a fee, I always give my base rate and tell them that that's my rate for 5-8 entries per page. Then the client can either send me a couple of sample chapters (to determine the density in advance) or have me determine that after I begin indexing. If I determine a fee from sample chapters, I simply go through about 20 pages of each chapter, looking for indexable terms, and just count up the numbers and divide by the number of pages I look at. This is real quick, because I'm not really reading. This gives me a close enough idea of the density to be able to set a fee. For me, this method seems to take care of the problem of what an indexable page is, too, because I include in my sampling pages with illustrations. If you sample enough pages, the density all evens out. >How do others reflect this aspect of defining their rates in their contracts? I would never put something like that in the contract, unless the client specifically asked that certain things *not* be indexed. I'm the professional, and I decide what an indexable term is; that's not the sort of thing I'd want to open up to negotiation. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My indexer@execpc.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer new Web address to come ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:07:27 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Note or Not? In-Reply-To: <199911150509.AAA06854@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Please excuse the simplicity of this question...I don't often work with >footnote material that must be indexed, and I'm wondering about the >standard way of handling this. When a work is quoted in the text, but >actually cited in a footnote on the same page, does the entry for that >work have the locator as the text page (plain ole 93) or the note >(93n2)? >For instance, the text on page 93 says: "And Bob Jones stated, 'Blah >Blah Blah.' And the footnote reads "Bob Jones, _Incredible Stories_ 306" >I want to index Incredible Stories as an entry. What would the locator >be? > The locator would be 93. I would index that only under Bob Jones and the subject he's talking about. I wouldn't index the name of his book, unless the book itself is discussed as a subject, which usually happens only in books on literature or literary criticism. For example, if the text talks about how incredibly influencial _Incredible Stories_ was, etc., then I'd index the book title. Otherwise not. Cheers, Carol ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:45:26 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John and Kara Pekar Subject: Re: Raising rates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carol Roberts wrote: > I charge more when the # of entries per page hits 8. My clients are not > surprised, because I tell them during the initial phone call that the fee > depends on the density of the material. When I am asked a fee, I always > give my base rate and tell them that that's my rate for 5-8 entries per > page. Then the client can either send me a couple of sample chapters (to > determine the density in advance) or have me determine that after I begin > indexing. If I determine a fee from sample chapters, I simply go through > about 20 pages of each chapter, looking for indexable terms, and just count > up the numbers and divide by the number of pages I look at. This is real > quick, because I'm not really reading. This gives me a close enough idea of > the density to be able to set a fee. Carol, how do you count entries? For instance, if an entry is going to flip (be entered under two headings), do you count it as one or two? (example: butterflies, distinguished from moths / moths, distinguished from butterflies.) Thanks, Kara Pekar Wordsmith Indexing Services jkpekar@crosslink.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:41:05 -0500 Reply-To: gpc@midmaine.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Goddard Davidson Subject: Re: Submitting citations to NIH (Was: medical word list needed) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Indexing for MEDLINE is only done by indexers that have participated in NLMs extensive training. The indexer may certainly look at your terms but they will not be what is included in the MEDLINE database. Cathy Jon and Glenda wrote: > I index a periodical. The publisher has applied for it to be included in > Medline. It is early days yet, but I gather that if accepted we will submit > data for each article in the publication in tagged format. There is also a > field for author-supplied keywords, but they are not included in the > database at the moment. I assume that indexing will be done by Medline > staff, but that we have saved work by supplying tagged citations. > > Since there have been a number of replies here to a previous question from > people knowledgable about MeSH etc, I thought I would see if anyone has had > experience with submitting citations for inclusion in Medline, and whether > anyone has also submitted indexing terms. > > Thanks, > > Glenda. > > > > > Speaking of MeSH, isn't there a workshop offered on the east coast that > has > > to do with MeSH? > > > > Dawn > > Jettio@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:31:52 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Melanie Edwards Subject: entries/page MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A question for those of you who charge by the entry: If you have an entry in the index that runs from page 10-13, 25, is that one, two or five entries? I prefer to charge per hour or per page, but this has come up and I'm not sure how it is to be handled. Thanks ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:34:12 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jayne Poplett Subject: Re: contract MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was wondering if you received a sample of a contract. I'm new to indexing also and would like to see a sample too. Would you e-mail me one if you have one if it isn't too much trouble? Thank you!! Jayne Poplett (jgpoplet@sprynet.com) -----Original Message----- From: Monica Smersh To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 6:46 PM Subject: contract >Hello! >Would any of you wonderful indexers out there be willing to help a newcomer >by emailing or faxing me samples of contract that you use? I would be very >grateful, as this aspect of the business is confusing and foreign to me. I >am excited about having two upcoming projects with a small publisher and I >want to be sure to get this right. >Thanks a lot :) >Monica Smersh >msmers@seanet.com > FAX # (208) 248-8423 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:43:54 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Willa MacAllen Subject: Fwd: LJ article on indexing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi All: Noalani asked me to forward the following citation to Index-L, in case anyone is interested in checking it out. I don't remember seeing the citation listed before. She thought other indexers would be interested in trying to get a copy of the article. Willa (taking a nite off from parties.....) >From: "Terry, Noalani" >To: "'macallen@mindspring.com'" >Subject: LJ article on indexing >Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 11:32:56 -0500 >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > >Hi Willa, > >I just got a copy (forwarded by e-mail in-house only with publisher's >permission) of an article in LIBRARY JOURNAL, November 1, 1999, 124:18, p.34 >ff.: "Human or automated, indexing is important" by Carol Tenopir. > >Since I am working from a "foreign" computer and am receiving my listserve >posts through my Colorado e-mail account, I cannot communicate directly with >the list. I'm wondering if you could maybe send on this information if it >hasn't already appeared on Index-L Willa MacAllen Indexing, Proofreading, Editing, Research MacAllen's Information Services Brighton, MA ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:22:57 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Karen Field Subject: Re: contract MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Would you mind posting it to the list? I'd love to see it, too. Karen Field Sr. Technical Writer Stellcom, Inc. kfield@stellcom.com -----Original Message----- From: Jayne Poplett [mailto:jgpoplet@SPRYNET.COM] Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 1:34 PM To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU Subject: Re: contract I was wondering if you received a sample of a contract. I'm new to indexing also and would like to see a sample too. Would you e-mail me one if you have one if it isn't too much trouble? Thank you!! Jayne Poplett (jgpoplet@sprynet.com) -----Original Message----- From: Monica Smersh To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 6:46 PM Subject: contract >Hello! >Would any of you wonderful indexers out there be willing to help a newcomer >by emailing or faxing me samples of contract that you use? I would be very >grateful, as this aspect of the business is confusing and foreign to me. I >am excited about having two upcoming projects with a small publisher and I >want to be sure to get this right. >Thanks a lot :) >Monica Smersh >msmers@seanet.com > FAX # (208) 248-8423 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:09:07 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Judith Gibbs Subject: Re: Request for Indexers of non-English materials MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02DA_01BF2F94.8272F360" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02DA_01BF2F94.8272F360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sharon, I deleted the message with the requestor's name. I am attaching my resume and would appreciate it if you would pass it along. I am interested in indexing the English-language documents. Thank you. Judi Gibbs ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 9:46 AM Subject: Re: Request for Indexers of non-English materials > Hi all, I just got this note.. its an ammendment to the first announcement. > Sharon > _____Note follows____ > Dear Sharon, > I'm getting a number of responses from people who saw your message. All > of the responses appear to relate to indexing from non-English > articles. I realize this was what I emphasized in our last > correspondence; but I wonder if your message indicated I needed ONLY > indexing from non-English articles. 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Project completion subject to resolution of I-200 issues. \par }\pard \s18\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright {\b Web Sites}{ \par {\pntext\pard\plain\s18 \intbl\f3\fs22\cgrid = \loch\af3\dbch\af0\hich\f3 \'b7\tab}}\pard = \s18\fi-360\li360\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl{\*\pn = \pnlvlblt\ilvl0\ls7\pnrnot0\pnf3\pnstart1\pnindent360\pnhang{\pntxtb = \'b7}}\ls7\adjustright { Three Rivers Folklife Society (}{\field{\*\fldinst { HYPERLINK = http://www.3rfs.org }{\fs20 {\*\datafield=20 00d0c9ea79f9bace118c8200aa004ba90b02000000170000000d0000007700770077002e0= 033007200660073002e006f00720067000000e0c9ea79f9bace118c8200aa004ba90b2a00= 000068007400740070003a002f002f007700770077002e0033007200660073002e006f007= 20067002f000000006c65001e006f000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000200000000960= 20000000000000000000040000000000000006b0000000000000064010000010000000000= 000000000000000000000000}}}{\fldrslt {\cs15\ul\cf2 www.3rfs.org}}}{) = }{{\field{\*\fldinst SYMBOL 190 \\f=20 "Symbol" \\s 11}{\fldrslt\f3\fs22}}}{ Have des igned, developed, and maintained the site since December 1995.The site = is easily accessible to viewers with 16-color display cards and low-end = browsers. It maintains the interest of those with high-end equipment = with sound clips (WAV files) created from p erformers' albums. \par {\pntext\pard\plain\s18 \intbl\f3\fs22\cgrid = \loch\af3\dbch\af0\hich\f3 \'b7\tab}}\pard = \s18\fi-360\li360\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\jclisttab\tx90{\*\pn = \pnlvlblt\ilvl0\ls7\pnrnot0\pnf3\pnstart1\pnindent360\pnhang{\pntxtb = \'b7}}\ls7\adjustright { Nicholas Kirsten, Visionary Artist (}{\field\fldedit{\*\fldinst { = HYPERLINK http://www.wolfenet.com/~honshin }{\fs20 {\*\datafield=20 00d0c9ea79f9bace118c8200aa004ba90b02000000170000001a0000007700770077002e0= 077006f006c00660065006e00650074002e0063006f006d002f007e0068006f006e007300= 680069006e000000e0c9ea79f9bace118c8200aa004ba90b4200000068007400740070003= a002f002f007700770077002e0077006f00 6c00660065006e00650074002e0063006f006d002f007e0068006f006e007300680069006= e000000000001fe0000000000006f00040000000000000000000000000000001e00000000= 00000000006f007b000000000000000000000000000000f00000000000007300000000000= 0006f00000201fe00000000000000000000 000000000000}}}{\fldrslt {\cs15\ul\cf2 www.honshin.com}}}{) = }{{\field{\*\fldinst SYMBOL 190 \\f "Symbol" \\s = 11}{\fldrslt\f3\fs22}}}{ Have designed, developed, and maintained the = site since June 1999. \par {\pntext\pard\plain\s18 \intbl\f3\fs22\cgrid = \loch\af3\dbch\af0\hich\f3 \'b7\tab}}\pard = \s18\fi-360\li360\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\jclisttab\tx90{\*\pn = \pnlvlblt\ilvl0\ls8\pnrnot0\pnf3\pnstart1\pnindent360\pnhang{\pntxtb = \'b7}}\ls8\adjustright { Kirsten Galleries (www.kirstengallery.com) }{{\field{\*\fldinst SYMBOL = 190 \\f "Symbol" \\s 11}{\fldrslt\f3\fs22}}}{ Site went online October = 31, 1999. Major expansion planned over the next few weeks. \par }\pard\plain \nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright \fs20\cgrid = {\b\f1\fs22 \cell }\pard \nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright = {\f1\fs22 \row }\pard\plain = \s19\qc\sa60\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright \f1\cgrid = {\b\i\fs28=20 Additional Professional Experience \par }\pard\plain \sa60\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright = \fs20\cgrid {\b\f1\fs22 Engineering Procedure Development}{\f1\fs22 }{ = }{{\field{\*\fldinst SYMBOL 190 \\f "Symbol" \\s = 10}{\fldrslt\f3\fs20}}}{ }{\f1\fs22=20 Wrote equipment setup, installation, and maintenance procedures for = clients in the food processing, electric utility, and nuclear = industries. \par }{\b\f1\fs22 Manual Writing}{ }{{\field{\*\fldinst SYMBOL 190 \\f = "Symbol" \\s 10}{\fldrslt\f3\fs20}}}{ }{\f1\fs22 Wrote computer hardware = documentation. Reorganized and rewro te commercial airplane design documents. Wrote style guides for nuclear = facilities and an electric utility; introduced changes designed to = reduce work time in hazardous areas. \par }{\b\f1\fs22 Medical Writing}{ }{{\field{\*\fldinst SYMBOL 190 \\f = "Symbol" \\s 10}{\fldrslt\f3\fs20}}}{ }{\f1\fs22 Researched and wrote = medical pro cedures (treatment protocols in SOAP format). Including treatment of = hydrofluoric acid burns and internal radionuclide contamination. Also = wrote medical administrative documentation and behavioral health = services documentation. All medical and psychologic al documentation was reviewed and signed off by an M.D. or clinical = psychologist. \par }\pard\plain \s19\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright \f1\cgrid = {\b\fs22 Report Writing}{ }{{\field{\*\fldinst SYMBOL 190 \\f "Symbol" = \\s 12}{\fldrslt\f3\fs24}}}{ }{\fs22=20 Helped write the response to the Technical Safety Appraisal conducted by = the U.S. Department of Energy at N Reactor after the re actor accident at Chernobyl. Performed substantive editing and rewriting = of a reactor fuel design and reload analysis for submittal to the = Nuclear Regulatory Commission. As a result of the report, the Supply = System (WPPSS) was licensed to do its own nucle ar fuel design. \par=20 \par }\pard\plain = \s1\qc\sa60\keepn\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\tqdec\tx-1440\outlinelevel0= \adjustright \b\f1\fs22\cgrid {\i\fs28 Computer Software and Languages \par }\pard\plain \nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright \fs20\cgrid = {\f1\fs22 FrameMaker; HTML; Visio; SkyPro (indexing software); Word for = Windows; Windows 95/98; \par }\pard\plain \s19\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright \f1\cgrid = {\fs22 WordPerfect for Windows; PageMaker.}{\b\fs22 \cell }\pard\plain = \nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright \fs20\cgrid {\f1\fs22 \row = }\pard=20 \qc\sa60\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright {\b\i\f1\fs28 = Publications Since 1995}{\i\f1\fs28=20 \par }\pard \nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright {\f1\fs22 = "Improving Medical Treatment Procedures," }{\i\f1\fs22 Proceedings of = the 43rd International Technical Communication Conference.}{\f1\fs22 = Society for Technical Communication, 1996. \par }\pard \sa120\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright {\f1\fs22 = \cell }\pard \nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright {\f1\fs22 \row = }\pard\plain = \s5\qc\sa60\keepn\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\outlinelevel4\adjustright = \b\i\f1\fs28\cgrid {Education \par }\pard\plain \sa60\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright = \fs20\cgrid {\f1\fs22 Bachelor of Arts; Master of Librarianship. = University of Washington, Seattle, Washington. \par Extension courses: indexing, Winhelp, user interface design. = University of Washington. \par Technical writing and journalism courses. Oregon State University, = Corvallis, Oregon. \par Technical courses: engineering physics, calculus, linear algebra, = differential equations, advanced engineering mathemati cs (1 quarter), statics, digital design, C programming language. = Columbia Basin College, Pasco, Washington, and Tri-Cities University = Center, Richland, Washington. \par }\pard \nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright {\f1\fs22 = In-service courses in occupational health, e.g., overview of = occupational pulmonary and skin diseases; treating internal radionuclide = contamination; and update on blood-borne pathogens. \par }\pard \sa120\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright {\b\f1\fs22 = \cell }\pard \nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright {\f1\fs22 \row = }\pard\plain = \s5\qc\sa60\keepn\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\outlinelevel4\adjustright = \b\i\f1\fs28\cgrid { Professional Affiliations and Recent Conferences \par }\pard\plain \sa60\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright = \fs20\cgrid {\f1\fs22 Society for Technical Communication (STC), Puget = Sound Chapter (Senior Member). \par American Society of Indexers (ASI). \par }\pard\plain \s18\sa60\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright = \f1\fs22\cgrid {Region 7 (STC) Technical Communication Conference, = Society for Technical Communication, 1993, 1994, 1995, and 1999. \par }\pard\plain \sa60\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright = \fs20\cgrid {\f1\fs22 ASI Annual Conference, 1998. \par }\pard \nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright {\f1\fs22 = International (STC) Technical Communication Conference, 1996. \par }\pard \sa120\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright {\b\f1\fs22 = \cell }\pard \nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright {\f1\fs22 \row = }\trowd \trgaph180\trleft-180 \clvertalt\cltxlrtb \cellx9880\pard = \qc\sa60\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright { \b\i\f1\fs28 Work History (Washington State) \par }\pard \nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright {\b\f1\fs22 = Technical Writing As A Contractor}{\f1\fs22=20 \par Employment, 1998- , see page 1. \par Supply System, Richland (1991, 1992) \par Puget Power, Bellevue (1990-1991) \par Boeing Support Services, Seattle (1989) \par Westinghouse Hanford Company, Richland (1987, 1989) \par }\pard \sa60\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright {\f1\fs22 = Westinghouse Transition Team, Richland (1987) \par }\pard \nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright {\b\f1\fs22 = Technical Writing As A Direct Employee \par }{\f1\fs22 The Write Guru (1994-present), Richland and Seattle \par Hanford Environmental Health Foundation, Richland (1993-1994) \par }\pard \sa60\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright {\f1\fs22 UNC = Nuclear Industries, Richland (1983-1986) \par }\pard \nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl \tx-1440\tx-720\tx1\tx360\tx720\tx1440\tx2160\tx2880\tx3600\tx4320\tx5040= \tx5760\tx6480\tx7200\tx7920\tx9000\tx9360\tx10080\tx10800\tx11520\tx1224= 0\tx12960\tx13680\tx14400\tx15120\tx15840\tx16560\tx17280\tx18000\tx18720= \adjustright {\b\f1\fs22=20 Reference Librarian (Evenings) \par }\pard \sa60\nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl \tx-1440\tx-720\tx1\tx360\tx720\tx1440\tx2160\tx2880\tx3600\tx4320\tx5040= \tx5760\tx6480\tx7200\tx7920\tx9000\tx9360\tx10080\tx10800\tx11520\tx1224= 0\tx12960\tx13680\tx14400\tx15120\tx15840\tx16560\tx17280\tx18000\tx18720= \adjustright {\f1\fs22=20 Washington State University at Tri-Cities, Richland (1992-1994) \par }\pard \nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl \tx-1440\tx-720\tx1\tx360\tx720\tx1440\tx2160\tx2880\tx3600\tx4320\tx5040= \tx5760\tx6480\tx7200\tx7920\tx9000\tx9360\tx10080\tx10800\tx11520\tx1224= 0\tx12960\tx13680\tx14400\tx15120\tx15840\tx16560\tx17280\tx18000\tx18720= \adjustright {\b\f1\fs22=20 Part-Time Instructor (Anthropology) \par }{\f1\fs22 Columbia Basin College, Pasco (1988)\cell }\pard = \nowidctlpar\widctlpar\intbl\adjustright {\f1\fs22 \row }\pard = \nowidctlpar\widctlpar\adjustright { \par }} ------=_NextPart_000_02DA_01BF2F94.8272F360-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:43:22 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Karen Spern Subject: History of ASI In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991115163943.00971ea0@mail.mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Indexers: Did someone write the history of ASI last year? I can't place the article . . . Could someone give me a reminder. Thanks. Karen Spern Ahimsa Media New Ideas for Indexing kspern@bestweb.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:43:57 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dan Connolly Subject: QuickBooks 99 Comments: To: freelance@onelist.com, indexstudents@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone is interested in buying this program, please let me know. I have a copy for sale. Please contact me off list (click on my address below). Dan ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Daniel A. Connolly ---> mailto:connolly@neca.com Word For Word Indexing Services ---> http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com Indexstudents List ---> http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com/indexstudents ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:41:27 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Raising rates In-Reply-To: <199911160507.AAA07032@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Carol, how do you count entries? For instance, if an entry is going to >flip (be entered under two headings), do you count it as one or two? >(example: butterflies, distinguished from moths / moths, distinguished >from butterflies.) I would count that twice. I do have to key in both, and I want my estimate to reflect as accurately as possible the time I will to put in. You can really come up with any kind of formula and method of counting that you want. You just make sure that you charge an amount for that that will give you a decent hourly rate (whatever that is for *you*). Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My indexer@execpc.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer new Web address to come ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:48:00 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elliot Linzer Subject: Grade School Mathematics Textbooks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Colleagues, For the first time, I am turning to you for help. I have been asked to bid on doing the indexes for five grade school math books (grades k through 4) and two high school math books. In all my years of indexing, I have never been asked to do any grade school books. Sample chapters are being sent to me. My understanding that most of the text consists of the teacher's guides, but I haven't seen any actual pages yet. If someone has some advice, please write to me off-list at elinzer@juno.com. By the way, if you are one of the other bidders, it would be for the best if you do not contact me. Thanks. | Elliot Linzer | 43-05 Crommelin Street | Flushing, New York 11355 | (718) 353-1261 | elinzer@juno.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:33:01 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John and Kara Pekar Subject: Genealogical indexing -- rate question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could anyone give me some ballpark idea of the going rate(s) for genealogical indexing? Is it generally done on a per-name or per-entry basis, or hourly? (By the page would seem a bit illogical for this type of indexing, but perhaps I'm wrong.) Does one customarily make any adjustments for tons of foreign names? It isn't likely that this will come to anything, but I'd like to be prepared. Thanks, Kara Pekar Wordsmith Indexing Services jkpekar@crosslink.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:22:21 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dan Connolly Subject: IndexStudents Web site and FAQ Comments: To: indexstudents@onelist.com, ASI-L@onelist.com, msitalk@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IndexStudents now has a web site (link below) and FAQ. Please stop by and visit, and give me your comments (and questions). Any and all input is greatly appreciated. I can't promise to get back to you immediately (I'm moving this weekend) but will respond as soon as possible. Dan listowner ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Daniel A. Connolly ---> mailto:connolly@neca.com Word For Word Indexing Services ---> http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com Indexstudents List ---> http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com/indexstudents ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:40:59 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dan Connolly Subject: IndexStudents Comments: To: indexstudents@onelist.com, msitalk@onelist.com, ASI-L@onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oops on the URL, try this one./Dan ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Daniel A. Connolly ---> mailto:connolly@neca.com Word For Word Indexing Services ---> http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com Indexstudents List ---> http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com/indexstudents.htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:21:09 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Harriet Nathanson Subject: Re: IndexStudents Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks you, this one works. I bookmarked it. Harriet >>> Dan Connolly 11/18/99 09:40AM >>> Oops on the URL, try this one./Dan ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Daniel A. Connolly ---> mailto:connolly@neca.com=20 Word For Word Indexing Services ---> http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com=20 Indexstudents List ---> http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com/indexstudents.htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:26:33 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Conference proposals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you submitted a proposal to do any kind of session at the 2000 conference, do not be concerned if you have not heard from me. All proposals were accepted. Although the proposal review was the 11th, the board meeting wasn't over until the 14th. I got back to work on the 15th and just today (the 18th) found a volunteer (thank you, Ann Norcross) to write the letters of acceptance, which should be going out in about a week. Thank you all for your patience. Dick Evans ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:14:03 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paula Durbin-Westby Subject: Art galleries I'm indexing a book of art criticism. How do I index galleries named after people? Betty Parsons Gallery E.M. Donahue Gallery Jason McCoy Gallery ...and many others Are they known by the first name of the person and so should be alphabetized that way? Or would it be better to call them Parsons Gallery, Donahue Gallery, and McCoy Gallery ? Some art expert please respond! Paula Durbin-Westby ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 03:28:19 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Brackney Subject: Re: entries/page In-Reply-To: <0.ee96523.2561d5c8@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:31 PM 11/15/99 EST, Melanie Edwards wrote: >A question for those of you who charge by the entry: > >If you have an entry in the index that runs from page 10-13, 25, is that one, >two or five entries? > >I prefer to charge per hour or per page, but this has come up and I'm not >sure how it is to be handled. Two, and don't forget to count your cross-reference target headings as well! Michael Brackney Indexing Service 134 Kathleen Way Grass Valley, CA 95945 530-272-7088 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:18:38 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: BECohen653@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Art galleries MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Paula, Generally sort on the first letter of the full name of the gallery for the entry, not the last name of the person (J. C. Penney Gallery, not Penney Gallery). However, if you think people will look under the last name, you can always cross-reference the galleries in question. But the full company name should be the main entry. With the following proviso: Unless the authors have some major objection or reason for imposing some other system. Barbara E. Cohen Indianapolis, IN ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:36:11 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marilyn Flaig Subject: Re: entries/page MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would be interested to know what those who use an entry rate are charging? What are the pros and cons of entry rate versus the hourly charge or page rate? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:49:42 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: SFrankmail@AOL.COM Subject: Re: entries/page MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would also like to see a comparison of page vs. line vs. entry vs. hourly. Sandi ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 00:49:44 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elliot Linzer Subject: Re: Art galleries MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paula, The names of galleries are proper nouns. They are "things," not "people." My opinion is that they are to be alphabetized by their full names, "Betty Parsons Gallery" is alphabetized under "B." If there are several references, cross-reference them from where the last name would fall. I'm not an art expert. | Elliot Linzer | 43-05 Crommelin Street | Flushing, New York 11355 | (718) 353-1261 | elinzer@juno.com On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:14:03 -0500 Paula Durbin-Westby writes: > I'm indexing a book of art criticism. How do I index galleries named after people? > > Betty Parsons Gallery > E.M. Donahue Gallery > Jason McCoy Gallery > ...and many others > > Are they known by the first name of the person and so should be > alphabetized that way? Or would it be better to call them > > Parsons Gallery, Donahue Gallery, and McCoy Gallery ? Some art > expert > please respond! > > Paula Durbin-Westby ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:13:11 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Craig Brown Subject: Job Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hello, all. This is not about a job, but about the biblical character Job. There is ambiguity in the subject of my message and, I fear, there will be ambiguity in the index I'm creating which I think should list Job. Especially true since all main headings will begin with an initial cap to conform with the publisher's specifications. Has anyone else ever dealt with that? Is it appropriate to clarify the entry? For instance: Job (biblical character) Any thoughts on the subject would be appreciated. TIA, Craig Craig Brown The Last Word Indexing Services (314) 352-9094 lastword@mindspring.com http://lastword.home.mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:11:46 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: BECohen653@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Job MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Craig, This is a good example of why lower-casing common nouns makes sense to me for most indexes. There do seem to be some books in which making a caps/lc distinction between Job and jobs would be helpful. In my opinion, it is never a bad thing to include a modifier if you think the reader will be confused. You (as indexer/ur-reader) can probably tell better than anyone what is going to be ambiguous. My general rule of "if you think it is necessary, it probably is" applies nicely here. Go for it. Barbara ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:45:13 -0500 Reply-To: Julie Grady Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Julie Grady Subject: Seasonal slowdown? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is a question for the more experienced indexers out there. Are there any times of the year that are traditionally slower for you than others? I ask because since I started indexing I have had steady business from my clients until recently. So I am wondering if this holiday season is perhaps traditionally slow in the publishing industry. Or maybe I am slow right now for other reasons. Also, related to this, about how many indexes per year do people average with one regular client (I realize this could vary a great deal, but from a medium/large size publisher can you count on one a month maybe?) I am trying to get an idea of what I can expect from the clients I have and how many more I need so I can have a steady supply of work (has anyone ever asked a new client about how much work you can expect?) I realize that in freelance work you never really know but I am trying to get some idea of what I can plan on financially. Thanks very much, Julie Grady Editorial Services jrussell1@capecod.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:44:16 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Laurie Medenblik Subject: Carol Publishing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Has anyone recently indexed for Carol Publishing Group (in Secaucus, NJ)? I did a project for them early this summer and they have not reimbursed me. They are also not returning phone calls or letters, including certified mail. No one from the company has complained that my work was late or unsatisfactory, or any other reason that someone might use to not pay for services. I have gotten no communication from them and am extremely annoyed. I filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau of NJ, but have not yet heard anything back from them. My brother is an attorney in California and deals quite a bit with these kinds of issues on a much larger scale. He sent some letters on my behalf and they don't seem to care about his threats either. Based on several different bad signs, it looks like this company might be heading toward bankruptcy or some similar fate. I'm curious if anyone else has done work for Carol Publishing Group, if you were reimbursed, and how long ago it was. My impression is that the problem of not getting paid is fairly uncommon. Have others of you been stiffed by publishers? And if so, have you found any successful way to force them to pay you for your work? Has anyone filed a suit in small claims court? I'm quite new to indexing but believe I delivered a quality product. And I know the book has been published. I would appreciate hearing about the experiences of others. Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:30:02 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elliot Linzer Subject: Re: Job MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Job (biblical character) Exactly! Or just Job (biblical). | Elliot Linzer | 43-05 Crommelin Street | Flushing, New York 11355 | (718) 353-1261 | elinzer@juno.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:34:04 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elliot Linzer Subject: Re: Seasonal slowdown? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My experience has been that summer (June through mid-August) is the busy season for indexers. That is when the fall list is getting finished. Midwinter (January through March) is the slow season. ` However, these patterns may hold true for the publishing industry, but when you throw in computer companies and other non-publishing clients, it becomes impossible to predict when work in plentiful and when it is meager. | Elliot Linzer | 43-05 Crommelin Street | Flushing, New York 11355 | (718) 353-1261 | elinzer@juno.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 03:14:00 -0500 Reply-To: youngll@banet.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lana Young Subject: Re: Carol Publishing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Laurie: some bad news for you, I'm sorry to say. In an earlier post from August 16, Carol Publishing did go bankrupt. Rachael Rice originally posted this news and she may have some information on what to do next at http://homepages.together.net/~racric. Hope this helps. Lana Laurie Medenblik wrote: > Has anyone recently indexed for Carol Publishing Group (in Secaucus, NJ)? > I did a project for them early this summer and they have not reimbursed me. > They are also not returning phone calls or letters, including certified > mail. No one from the company has complained that my work was late or > unsatisfactory, or any other reason that someone might use to not pay for > services. I have gotten no communication from them and am extremely > annoyed. I filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau of NJ, but > have not yet heard anything back from them. My brother is an attorney in > California and deals quite a bit with these kinds of issues on a much > larger scale. He sent some letters on my behalf and they don't seem to > care about his threats either. Based on several different bad signs, it > looks like this company might be heading toward bankruptcy or some similar > fate. > > I'm curious if anyone else has done work for Carol Publishing Group, if you > were reimbursed, and how long ago it was. My impression is that the > problem of not getting paid is fairly uncommon. Have others of you been > stiffed by publishers? And if so, have you found any successful way to > force them to pay you for your work? Has anyone filed a suit in small > claims court? I'm quite new to indexing but believe I delivered a quality > product. And I know the book has been published. I would appreciate > hearing about the experiences of others. > > Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:03:51 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Indexlady@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Job, job MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> Greetings all! Regarding Job, job, etc, wouldn't context come into this? If this is more of a Biblical character book, religious book, or some such, I really wouldn't expect Job/job to mean career (unless, of course, it's a book on the careers of Biblical characters). If I was a reader looking up career information, would I be turning to this book? I can't remember what the subject of the book is, or if it was given. But wouldn't this have some bearing on if this needed further clarification? Dawn ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:35:08 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marilyn Flaig Subject: Re: Carol Publishing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I worked for a Carol Publishing Co., then located in New York when I was just starting out in indexing over 20 years ago. They also did not pay me. I wonder if this could be the same people? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:36:56 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: Re: Carol Publishing In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19991119224416.0068537c@pop.pressenter.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Laurie, I'm sorry to tell you that Carol Publishing declared bankruptcy I think in July. I have a contact still who worked there and will ask if he can give you any suggestions. I know of one indexer who is owed over $8,000. I hope you aren't in that category. I was one of the very fortunate few who got paid, and I think it's because I'd become friendly with several of the staff there. I'll post to the list if I get any suggestions on what to do in case there are others of you out there. Rachel Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric racric ICQ 31476947 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:41:45 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: quaker1 Subject: Re: Carol Publishing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have not had trouble getting paid if the company is solvent, although I certainly have had to beat some over the head to get my money. You can sometimes threaten to impose a 10% surcharge on late payments on things like that. However, I have twice been stiffed by companies that went bankrupt or out of business and I basically never got paid. I must say that two or three times in the course of twenty years is not a bad average. You are probably going to have to chalk this one up. It certainly doesn't sound good. Diana Witt Laurie Medenblik wrote: > Has anyone recently indexed for Carol Publishing Group (in Secaucus, NJ)? > I did a project for them early this summer and they have not reimbursed me. > They are also not returning phone calls or letters, including certified > mail. No one from the company has complained that my work was late or > unsatisfactory, or any other reason that someone might use to not pay for > services. I have gotten no communication from them and am extremely > annoyed. I filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau of NJ, but > have not yet heard anything back from them. My brother is an attorney in > California and deals quite a bit with these kinds of issues on a much > larger scale. He sent some letters on my behalf and they don't seem to > care about his threats either. Based on several different bad signs, it > looks like this company might be heading toward bankruptcy or some similar > fate. > > I'm curious if anyone else has done work for Carol Publishing Group, if you > were reimbursed, and how long ago it was. My impression is that the > problem of not getting paid is fairly uncommon. Have others of you been > stiffed by publishers? And if so, have you found any successful way to > force them to pay you for your work? Has anyone filed a suit in small > claims court? I'm quite new to indexing but believe I delivered a quality > product. And I know the book has been published. I would appreciate > hearing about the experiences of others. > > Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 13:44:57 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pmauer@AOL.COM Subject: Genealogical indexing -- rate question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/18/99 12:08:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, jkpekar@CROSSLINK.NET writes: > Could anyone give me some ballpark idea of the going rate(s) for > genealogical indexing? Is it generally done on a per-name or per-entry > basis, or hourly? (By the page would seem a bit illogical for this type of > indexing, but perhaps I'm wrong.) Does one customarily make any > adjustments for tons of foreign names? Hi Kara, Genealogical indexing is a labor of love. I do it because I'm very interested in family history (and US history and NY history), but it certainly isn't a money maker. When I do genealogical indexing, I've charged $3.00/page; it's very difficult to get any more than that because often times it's an author/genealogist/researcher who has worked on the book for 20 years and is retired and can't afford to pay any more than that. They want to know up front what it's going to cost, and I couldn't give them a very accurate estimate if I charged per name or per entry. I create TONS of index entries in genealogical works because the readers want to find every tidbit of info that's in the book; it usually takes a lot of time to check the correct spelling of names and create all the double postings that are necessary. It usually comes down to about minimum wage for those jobs, but I just love to learn about history and I love to help researchers get a good index for their book so readers can find stuff. It holds a soft spot in my heart because that's how I got into indexing...but that's another story. I haven't made any adjustments for foreign names. Hope that helps. Peg Mauer phone: (518) 359-8616 Indexing, Technical Writing fax: (518) 359-8235 www.asindexing.org <-- What's Indexing? www.stc.org/pics/indexing/ <-- Manager of STC Indexing SIG www.communication-link.com <-- See my award-winning web site! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:04:12 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Craig Brown Subject: Re: Job Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" On 11/19/1999 2:40 PM CLandes407@aol.com wrote (in part): >Does the text discuss Job's role as a prophet? Another possibility would be: > >Job (prophet) No, it's his role as one who suffered long. Thanks for trying. On 11/20/1999 7:03 AM Dawn Spencer wrote (in part): >I can't remember what the subject of the book is, or if it was given. But >wouldn't this have some bearing on if this needed further clarification? The book is about anticipatory mourning. The spiritual aspects seem to be limited. Thanks to all who contributed. I believe I'm going to add the (biblical) or (biblical character) clarification. Craig Craig Brown The Last Word Indexing Services (314) 352-9094 lastword@mindspring.com http://lastword.home.mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 18:24:33 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sendx@AOL.COM Subject: Cindex Find question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi: Does anybody know offhand how to create a view of only those records that do have page locators, i.e. page locator NOT empty? (I'm in the midst of moving and have already packed away my Cindex documentation with all my notations for stuff like that.) Thanks in advance. Anita Levy Space Coast Indexers, Inc. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 20:31:13 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Cindex Find question In-Reply-To: <199911202331.SAA03468@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Does anybody know offhand how to create a view of only those > records that do > have page locators, i.e. page locator NOT empty? > FIND/PAT/FIE=P ?* Dick ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 09:15:09 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: SHughes512@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Cindex Find question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/20/99 7:52:04 PM Central Standard Time, infodex@MINDSPRING.COM writes: << FIND/PAT/FIE=P ?* >> I'm pretty lazy, I'd probably sort moving the page locator to the first place. Then those with loctators would be at the end. Sharon ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 10:02:55 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: MaryMort@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Seasonal slowdown? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been indexing since 1995, and the Jan-Feb. period has seemed to be slower than the rest of the year. However, this coming January I already have 3 projects lined up, so I can't say it's a general rule. > Also, related to this, about how many indexes per year > do people average with one regular client (I realize this could vary a great > deal, but from a medium/large size publisher can you count on one a month > maybe?) I am trying to get an idea of what I can expect from the clients I > have and how many more I need so I can have a steady supply of work (has > anyone ever asked a new client about how much work you can expect?) I > realize that in freelance work you never really know but I am trying to get > some idea of what I can plan on financially. This is really tough to answer, especialy with a new client. It depends on so many things: the number of books the publisher publishes, how many people there hire freelancers, how many other freelance indexers they use, how busy those other indexers are, the publisher's working methods (seasonal or annual publishing cycles), subjective factors in the relationship you develop with the editor(s) and in how they like your work, etc. etc. I think that most other freelancers would agree that the only answer is to continue to market until (and after) you start having to turn down work because you are too busy. You never know when one of your best editor clients is going to be replaced by someone who has their own list of indexers. There may also be cases where you decide you prefer not to work for a given publisher because of whatever factor, such as their tight schedules or low rates, or you find other clients whose books are just more interesting to you. This uncertainty is one of the givens of freelancing, I'm afraid. Cheers, Mary -- * Mary Mortensen * marymort@aol.com * Indexing services * Lawrence, Kansas * Publicity Committee Chair, * 785-841-3631 * American Society of Indexers ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 10:51:18 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Cindex Find question Comments: To: "Richard T. Evans" In-Reply-To: <199911211421.JAA29680@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > In a message dated 11/20/99 7:52:04 PM Central Standard Time, > infodex@MINDSPRING.COM writes: > > << FIND/PAT/FIE=P ?* >> > > I'm pretty lazy, I'd probably sort moving the page locator > to the first > place. Then those with loctators would be at the end. But not formed into a view, which was part of the original request. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:29:19 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: SFrankmail@AOL.COM Subject: Line Charges MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a couple of questions about charging by the line. Does each line have the same worth? For instance, if an author index and subject index are compiled for one title, is the author line charged at the same rate as the subject line? It seems to me that more thought goes into a subject line charge than does a page number pickup in an author index. I would be very interested in hearing about line charges from those of you who do it this way. Thanks. Sandi Frank ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:53:32 -0500 Reply-To: "David K. Ream" Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "David K. Ream" Organization: Leverage Technologies, Inc. Subject: Re: Cindex Find question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Per the previous comment, at least in Cindex for Windows, you could sort by the page field which should bring the empty page fields to the top (in version 1.5 all you have to do is press the tool bar button!). Then you can highlight the records by selecting the first then shift-clicking on the last. Once highlighted you can form a temporary group from the highlighted records. Although it sounds like a lot of steps it is simple to do and you don't have to remember a pattern. Dave > > In a message dated 11/20/99 7:52:04 PM Central Standard Time, > > infodex@MINDSPRING.COM writes: > > > > << FIND/PAT/FIE=P ?* >> > > > > I'm pretty lazy, I'd probably sort moving the page locator > > to the first > > place. Then those with loctators would be at the end. > > But not formed into a view, which was part of the original request. > > Dick > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:12:31 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Brackney Subject: Re: quick question: SUMMARY In-Reply-To: <382EFC27.7F5D0C91@brown-inc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:15 AM 11/14/99 -0800, David M. Brown wrote: > >Michael Brackney wrote: >> >> "X-ref entry" looks right to me except for one thing: it's synonymous with >> the term "cross-reference" itself in that the term "entry" means both a >> heading and a reference (a reference being either a locator or an xref >> target). Thus, I think the "heading" of the cross-reference is the term we >> want (and "x-ref heading" or "xref heading" in broader contexts). Do you >> agree? > >Perhaps my thinking is too narrow, but I have trouble with "heading" for an entry that >has no subentries. > David, if you think of a heading as exclusively a main heading that heads up a list of subheadings then yes, according the definitions of "heading" I'm familiar with, your thinking is too narrow. ;-) The proposed American National Standard "Guidelines for Indexes and Related Information Retrieval Devices" (ANSI/NISO Z39.4-199X), which never passed, defined "heading" as "one or more terms representing a topic or a feature of a document"; the _Chicago Manual of Style_ says essentially the same thing; and I presume that the current international standard, the British standard on which it was based, and any Australian standard there may be say about the same thing too. If this sweeping but probably fair presumption is correct then we can say that as far as our leading indexing standards are concerned the above-defined text is a heading whether it includes a subheading or not. "Heading" so defined is simple and logical -- and it's needed because "entry text", the only possible alternative I know of, is too broad since in addition to headings it includes annotations to locators (if not the locators themselves) and other xref text including _see_ and _see also_ links, target headings, and any general xref text. If it still seems odd to call "two or more terms representing a topic or a feature of a document" a heading when there are no subheadings for it to head, then just remember that what headings actually serve to head are references to text (page references) and references in cross-references to other headings (heading references AKA targets or target headings). Thus understood, a heading is exactly what the first element of a cross-reference is. At 01:10 PM 11/15/99 +1100, Glenda wrote: > >> >Michael Brackney wrote: >> >> >> >> ... if we refer to the term referred *to* as the "target," >> >> how do we refer to the term referred *from*? >> > >> At 06:52 PM 11/13/99 -0800, David M. Brown wrote: >> >. . . >> >In HTML Indexer, we'll probably use the terms "cross-reference entry" and >> >"cross-reference target" ("x-ref entry" and "x-ref target" for short). >> > Michael Brackney wrote: >> >> "X-ref entry" looks right to me except for one thing: it's synonymous with >> the term "cross-reference" itself in that the term "entry" means both a >> heading and a reference (a reference being either a locator or an xref >> target). Thus, I think the "heading" of the cross-reference is the term we >> want (and "x-ref heading" or "xref heading" in broader contexts). Do you >> agree? >> > >Didn't the word 'source' come up before? (I have deleted old messages). This >is better than entry I think. > >As it stands, these terms would refer to both See and See also refs. It >would be more precise to refer to 'See reference targets' if this is the >general approach taken. > Glenda, I considered "source" (which matches "destination" so well), and I considered "origin" too, but I set both of them aside to look further for a term that matches the "target" metaphor better. Then I came up with "base" in the sense of the position or standpoint from which an xref may be said to take aim or point at its target; and then at my delight in realizing that the first part of an xref (and in particular of a _see_ ref) is a heading(!) -- and not just a term -- I dropped my search for a better match for "target". Now as I reconsider the matter I think the clearest match is "base heading" and "target heading", which could be "base heading" and "target" or just "base" and "target" for short -- and I'm still happy with just "heading" and "target" -- but in any case it hardly matters since we almost never refer to just the first element of an xref anyway! At 07:48 AM 11/15/99 +1100, Alan Walker wrote: > >>Michael Brackney wrote: >>> >>> "X-ref entry" looks right to me except for one thing: it's synonymous with >>> the term "cross-reference" itself in that the term "entry" means both a >>> heading and a reference (a reference being either a locator or an xref >>> target). > >The international standard ISO 999 (Guidelines for the content, >organization and presentation of indexes) says: > >"See" cross-references should be made from non-preferred synonyms and >alternative forms to preferred headings. (7.5.1) > Alan, I'm not sure what you mean here, but it sounds like you may be suggesting that "non-preferred term" would work well as a term for the first element of a _see_ ref, and that "preferred term" would work well as a term for the third element of a _see_ ref. If so, I agree that "non-preferred term" and "preferred term" work well as descriptions of these elements, but I disagree that they'd work well as primary terms themselves because they don't name these elements as functional components. "Heading" or "base heading" or "base" and "target heading" or "target" do this, and so they work for _see also_ refs as well as for _see_ refs. All the best to everyone, Michael Brackney Indexing Service 134 Kathleen Way Grass Valley, CA 95945 530-272-7088 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:12:37 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Brackney Subject: Re: Job In-Reply-To: <199911202004.PAA05116@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:04 PM 11/20/99 -0600, Craig Brown wrote: > >. . . I believe I'm going to add the (biblical) >or (biblical character) clarification. Craig: I'd add a gloss/qualifier too, and of these two I prefer the latter. If I preferred to use a one-worder I'd choose "(Bible)". Michael ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:12:40 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Brackney Subject: Re: Art galleries In-Reply-To: <19991119.123925.-165775.1.elinzer@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:18 AM 11/19/99 EST, BECohen653@AOL.COM wrote: >Hi Paula, > >Generally sort on the first letter of the full name of the gallery for the >entry, not the last name of the person (J. C. Penney Gallery, not Penney >Gallery). . . . > And at 12:49 AM 11/19/99 -0500, Elliot Linzer wrote: >Paula, > The names of galleries are proper nouns. They are "things," not >"people." My opinion is that they are to be alphabetized by their full >names, "Betty Parsons Gallery" is alphabetized under "B." . . . > >On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:14:03 -0500 Paula Durbin-Westby wrote: > >> I'm indexing a book of art criticism. How do I index galleries named >>after people? >> >> Betty Parsons Gallery >> E.M. Donahue Gallery >> Jason McCoy Gallery >> ...and many others >> >> Are they known by the first name of the person and so should be >> alphabetized that way? Or would it be better to call them >> Parsons Gallery, Donahue Gallery, and McCoy Gallery ? Some art >> expert please respond! I agree with the above advice: what I want to point out is that what's involved is not _alphabetizing_ names, or _sorting_ names, but _entering_ names in one form or another (after which the names get sorted automatically by our wondrous software). My reason for saying this is not to point at anybody personally but to call attention to the pervasive misuse of the term "alphabetizing" that has been foisted upon us, as it were, by the _Chicago Manual of Style_ (which Bella Haas Weinberg pointed out in her review of the 14th edition). All the best, Michael ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:22:20 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Carol Publishing In-Reply-To: <199911210505.AAA16607@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I was only stiffed once. I was owed a bit over $1,000. A lawyer I knew made a few phone calls and sent a letter or two, and he gave me a discounted rate. The upshot was that I spent about $250 and did collect the $1,000. Naturally, I did try to collect the legal fee as well, but the publisher only paid the $1,000, and I decided it wasn't prudent to spend more to try to collect the rest. Presses and run by people, and some people are just immoral. For us, this is one of the costs of running a business. Fortunately, it doesn't happen that often. As for small claims court, I wouldn't hesitate to take such a case to small claims if it were local. My understanding is that you have to file in the area where the defendent is located, so for out-of-state publishers, it isn't going to be worth it, unless you know a lawyer in that state. If I'm wrong about this, I hope someone will post a correction, so we all have a better picture of our options. Thanks. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My indexer@execpc.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer new Web address to come ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 21:14:32 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: non-paying or slow-paying clients MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, In my many years as a freelancer I've never been stiffed (!! knock on wood). I've had some very late paying clients, who I didn't hesitate to keep after for fear of not being paid. I don't know if I would have been paid had I not been "after them", so to speak. The closest I ever came was with a production house, where I was getting no place at all (and for $800). The owner and prime mover pled cash flow problems, made promises, etc. After 75 days, I resorted to having my "business manager" (husband!) call on my behalf, at which point, immediately, and hilariously, the woman, put *her* "business manager" on the phone. The men spoke quietly for a moment, voices got raised and the conversation heated; they made accusations and insulted each other, and the phone was slammed down. The moral of the story was that the check arrived within a few days!! Makes me chuckle. I feel that my greatest exposure in terms of non-payment is with packagers (production houses). Since at least some of them (I suspect many of them) are small businesses, cash flow is often more of a problem for them, and I am often fearful that they will either pay very late or not pay. I have had some long waits from them, but have never been "stiffed." Pls don't misunderstand. I work for many production houses, and without incident. But there is that danger built in to dealing with a business whose credentials and track records you don't know. I suppose the same thing could happen with small publishers as with production houses. I guess the best advice here is to (1) follow your instincts, and (2) keep after a late-paying client, so they know you mean business. If a business fails, that is a different story. But sometimes it is necessary to be firm about more timely payment. To cap the story off, though, I finally received a big check from a major East Coast publisher -- 10 (yes ten!) weeks after invoicing. Quite a few thousand dollars. I had to apply a lot of pressure and spend money on long distance phone calls to pry that out of them. I wasn't afraid of not getting paid. Just mad at having to wait so long. These are the joys of being a small business! ;-) Janet Perlman SOUTHWEST INDEXING ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:40:36 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elliot Linzer Subject: Re: Line Charges MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sandi Frank asks: > I have a couple of questions about charging by the line. Does each line have > the same worth? For instance, if an author index and subject index are > compiled for one title, is the author line charged at the same rate as the > subject line? It seems to me that more thought goes into a subject line > charge than does a page number pickup in an author index. I used to charge by the line for all my work, until I became persuaded that negotiating a job rate was a better idea. I still charge some clients a line rate. The answer to the question is the standard cop-out answer: It depends. To be a bit more specific, I would think, yes, charge the same for a name index as for a subject index. Some of the most time-consuming problems I have had editing indexes have been with names, not concepts. For example, are "J. Smith," "J.J. Smith" and "June Smith" all the same person? Here is another answer which I give to almost every question: Discuss this with the book's editor. The editor has a budget in mind for the book. Ask him or her. | Elliot Linzer | 43-05 Crommelin Street | Flushing, New York 11355 | (718) 353-1261 | elinzer@juno.com