Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9911D" ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:34:49 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: BECohen653@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Art galleries MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael, Point well taken, but I think we all mean "choosing the entry form" when we talk to each other about "how should I alphabetize this entry?" No? I don't think the question is confusing, although it might not be precise. Barbara ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:45:29 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: Seasonal slowdown? I would guess that it would depend on the publisher. For most publishers, there will be a push to get books out before the end of the fiscal year so that they can count the profit in that year. Of course, what constitutes "end of the year" varies somewhat, but assuming that they use the calendar year as their end of the year, I would guess that there would be a big demand for indexers between late September and late November, and it would probably slack off around mid-December when all of those project were being sent to Composition, the printing presses, the bindery and out the door. That's the way it usually works around here. For academic publishers, there would be a big push to get contract publications out the door in mid to late summer in order to have the textbooks and treatises ready for the school year, and the speculative projects out the door in late spring so that they could try to sell them over the summer to various schools and professors. Overall, any time you have a big push like that it's usually followed by a slow period (or relatively slow period) for a month or so. Hope this helps! -- Sharon W. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:05:56 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paula Durbin-Westby Subject: Re: Art galleries MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to everyone who gave me advice re: art galleries. Paula ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:41:59 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Wyatt Organization: Keyword Editorial Services Subject: More Mirth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone out there actually deal with government departments from preference? Last Thursday I received a call from a state department who wanted an Annual Report indexed (a statutory requirement here). When would it be ready for indexing? Next Tuesday. Wow! They gave me notice! How long is it? Two hundred pages. How long have I got to do it? Two days. Gulp. OK, I thought, I have a gap next week. Then: Govt Dept: "Can I have a quote?" Me: "Sure." Long silence. GD: "Well, what is it?" Me: "What is what?" GD: "The quote!" Explanation: They can't send me a sample until they have a purchase order, and they can't raise a purchase order until they have a quote. Solution: They emailed me a draft in Word. I pointed out that this could make the job more expensive, since I would have to do some work twice. They were Most Unhappy. Michael Wyatt Keyword Editorial Services 22 Kendall Street, Surry Hills 2010 Australia Phone 0500 KEYWRD (0500 539 973) Fax (02) 9331 7785 keyword@ozemail.com.au ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:46:56 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jeanne Moody Subject: Re: non-paying or slow-paying clients In-Reply-To: <0.18fa1c81.256a0108@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bear in mind that you might be able to deduct bad debts from your income= taxes. That was my only relief from a company that went bankrupt 5 years= ago. I don't know if that option is still on the books after the latest= tax reform, but it's certainly worth checking out. Jeanne Moody *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 11/21/99 at 9:14 PM JPerlman@AOL.COM wrote: >All, > >In my many years as a freelancer I've never been stiffed (!! knock on= wood). >I've had some very late paying clients, who I didn't hesitate to keep= after >for fear of not being paid. I don't know if I would have been paid had I= not >been "after them", so to speak. > >The closest I ever came was with a production house, where I was getting= no >place at all (and for $800). The owner and prime mover pled cash flow >problems, made promises, etc. After 75 days, I resorted to having my >"business manager" (husband!) call on my behalf, at which point,= immediately, >and hilariously, the woman, put *her* "business manager" on the phone.= The >men spoke quietly for a moment, voices got raised and the conversation >heated; they made accusations and insulted each other, and the phone was >slammed down. The moral of the story was that the check arrived within a= few >days!! Makes me chuckle. > >I feel that my greatest exposure in terms of non-payment is with packagers >(production houses). Since at least some of them (I suspect many of them) >are small businesses, cash flow is often more of a problem for them, and I= am >often fearful that they will either pay very late or not pay. I have had >some long waits from them, but have never been "stiffed." > >Pls don't misunderstand. I work for many production houses, and without >incident. But there is that danger built in to dealing with a business= whose >credentials and track records you don't know. I suppose the same thing= could >happen with small publishers as with production houses. > >I guess the best advice here is to (1) follow your instincts, and (2) keep >after a late-paying client, so they know you mean business. If a business >fails, that is a different story. But sometimes it is necessary to be= firm >about more timely payment. > >To cap the story off, though, I finally received a big check from a major >East Coast publisher -- 10 (yes ten!) weeks after invoicing. Quite a few >thousand dollars. I had to apply a lot of pressure and spend money on= long >distance phone calls to pry that out of them. I wasn't afraid of not= getting >paid. Just mad at having to wait so long. > >These are the joys of being a small business! ;-) > >Janet Perlman >SOUTHWEST INDEXING ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:46:02 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elliot Linzer Subject: Carol Publishing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While this is no longer the hot topic it was over the weekend, I still find some unsettling aspects to this story. Let me review some of the postings so far: On Friday, 11/19, Laurie Medenblik posted a query asking: > Has anyone recently indexed for Carol Publishing Group (in Secaucus, > NJ)? I did a project for them early this summer and they have not > reimbursed me. They are also not returning phone calls or letters, > including certified mail. In my response (Saturday, 11/20), I said, quite naively: > I doubt that they are going through the formality of bankruptcy. If > they were, they would not be running away from you. They would > have told you about it. I know, I went bankrupt recently. > Bankruptcy offers a person or a company protection from their > creditors. They or their lawyer would have contacted you by now. Later Saturday, Rachel Rice, who had prior experiences with Carol Publishing said: > I'm sorry to tell you that Carol Publishing declared bankruptcy I > think in July. I have a contact still who worked there and will ask if > he can give you any suggestions. I know of one indexer who is owed > over $8,000. In a separate letter, Rachel Rice said that: > They are in bankruptcy. I think they are being allowed to continue to > try to merge with some other company but I don't know the details. > My friend from Carol sent Laurie a msg telling her how to contact the > lawyers involved the bankruptcy. I really hope they get paid. It's an > awful situation. I was just lucky. I got my check the day before they > filed. Whew! Well, I was wrong. But I still don't understand why neither Carol Publishing, nor their lawyers, contacted Laurie Medenblik. At the very least, she is a creditor and a party to the bankruptcy. I see two possible scenarios for Laurie. I am not usually very optimistic, but if Laurie plays her cards right, I believe that she will be paid in full, but it will take some time and some effort. Scenario one: Laurie informs Carol's lawyers that she is a creditor. If they ignore her, she threatens to contact the federal bankruptcy court trustee directly with that information. In the past when many of us have posted notices about clients who are late in paying their bills or are complete deadbeats, more often than not we were talking about book packagers, not publishers. Packagers have little or no assets. Publishers, on the other hand, have assets. I am not talking about the desks and computers in their offices. As I mentioned previously, a publisher's backlist is an asset. So are the books in the pipeline to be published. I have no idea whether or not Carol is still publishing books, but what happened to the book Laurie indexed? It had already been edited, proofread and, thanks to Laurie, indexed. It was in page proofs. I am sure that the author wants to see the book out in the bookstores. Has it actually been printed and distributed as of now? If so, Laurie has an even stronger position. Scenario two: Laurie informs Carol's lawyers that she still owns the copyright on the book she worked on. If the book has been published by Carol, they have violated her copyright. They must resolve this issue before the bankruptcy is resolved. No bankruptcy lawyer wants to hear that the bankruptcy can not be finalized because of a relatively trivial matter. Variant on scenario two: The book Laurie worked on was sold prior to printing. A new publisher bought the plates for the book from Carol, including the index. Laurie now has to inform the new publisher that they did not buy the index from Carol because Carol never owned the rights to the index. They (the new publisher) has violated Laurie's copyright. Here too, I am sure that the new publisher's lawyers would want to resolve this issue quickly. Clearly, Laurie should make contact with Carol's lawyers. Also, it may be to her advantage to track down and contact either the book's author or the author's agent. They may be able to give Laurie information that none of the lawyers would be willing to reveal. Laurie must be persistent and say the right words, such as "Reid vs. CCNV," to win here, but I think she can win. If she needs some help, the National Writers Union (113 University Place, 6th floor, New York, N.Y. 10003; [212] 254-0279) may be able to help, even if Laurie is not a member. The most help she may need is just a "lawyer's letter." I doubt if her index will ever be fought over in court. Back a few years ago, the Macmillan went bankrupt as a result of the crumbling of the empire of Sir Robert Maxwell. The Macmillan conglomerate was cut up with most of it going to Viacom and being merged into Simon & Schuster. Parts of Macmillan went to other companies and parts just vanished. Hundreds of employees lost their jobs, but I did not hear of any freelancers being stiffed. If this is not the case and someone out there knows of Macmillan's old bills going unpaid, please let us all know. | Elliot Linzer | 43-05 Crommelin Street | Flushing, New York 11355 | (718) 353-1261 | elinzer@juno.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:16:55 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Carol Publishing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What an excellent and interesting analysis, Elliot. Further info on Carol Publishing appeared in the Nov. 15 issue of Publishers Weekly (page 11). The entire text reads as follows: << BANKRUPTCY FILLING WILL RESULT IN SALE OF CAROL ASSETS The saga of Carol Publishing took another twist last week when it was announced that PNC Bank, Carol's largest creditor, had agreed to return possession of the company back to Carol. On October 15, PNC took posession of Carol's New Jersey office and warehouse as well as its inventory, revenues and backlist. The newest move was intended to manage an on-going marketing process and to facilitate the sale of Carol's assets. A small staff of five to six people is expected to be rehired this week to carry out those objectives; no new titles will be publishned. As part of this agreement to regain control of its assets, Carol was expected to file for Chapter 11 protection last week, although no filing had been made by press time. The filing, to be made in New Jersey Bankruptcy COurt, will list assets of $25.6 million and liabilities of $12.3 million. The filling should also allow Carol to convey clear title to its 60-80 publishing contracts and to its nearly 1300-title backlist, valued in September 1998 at $17.9 million. The company expects that these assets will be sold for substantially less than their appraised value in order to expedite potential transactions. Carol publisher Steven Schragis will be working with PNC to sell the assets. The status of authors' rights to books that have not been published was not clear last week. Although most contracts contain clauses that call for a reversal of rights if a company files for Chapter 11, bankruptcy court judges have wide latitude in how to best dispose of a company's assets.>> That's the entire article, verbatim. Hope this helps anybody who is still owed money by Carol. Janet Perlman SOUTHWEST INDEXING ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:07:54 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Deborah E. Patton" Subject: commas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm working for a press that has undergone some turnover. They sent me their updated indexing guidelines, and I do see reliance on Chicago 14 but didn't see whether they were still going to use initial caps for main headings. (Yes.) They came back with a query of their own: >Am curious about how you would handle Jr. (Jones, Robert Jr. or Jones, Robert, Jr.?) since Chicago now >advises against the comma. In the past I've not used commas with II, III (Jones, Robert II) so shouldn't the >same rule be applied to Jr.? My reading of Chicago 14 is that the guideline about no commas before suffixes is not considering index clarity within the context of that guideline. I turned to a higher authority: Mulvany's _Indexing Books_. Nancy says to use commas and to place the suffix after the forename. And that's pretty straightforward, but she doesn't say why to do that. My guess is for index clarity. It's hard enough trying to figure out what's what when it's inverted. I would rather provide this press with an answer that has more of a reason supporting it than "Mulvany says." And I'd even put a comma into Jones, Robert, II I didn't major in English and I'm sure it shows. Are any of you indexing names and omitting this comma before either or both of these types of suffixes? Thanks, Deborah ============================== Deborah E. Patton, Freelance Indexer Baltimore, MD, USA ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:09:21 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: BECohen653@AOL.COM Subject: Re: commas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI Deborah, I wouldn't use the comma when editing text according to CMS 14, but because the reading order of the index entry isn't the same as the correct order of the name, the comma makes sense to me in an index entry. I think the issue comes down to punctuation indicating inversion, as far as indexers are concerned. So I would opt for a comma before the modifier, whether it is Jr./Sr. or II, III, and so forth. I could be persuaded to remove the comma if someone can give me a more compelling reason to remove it than to use it. But the inversion surely requires the comma, no? Likewise: This rule doesn't apply to royal names, which by convention aren't punctuated between the name and number. Since they aren't inversions in the index, no punctuation is necessary. Barbara E. Cohen Indianapolis, IN ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:17:52 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Laurie Medenblik Subject: Carol Publishing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks to those of you who have added your "two cents" about my problem with CPG. Special thanks to Rachel Rice and Elliot Linzer for the time and thought they have put into the relevant issues. Just so you know that this process has been very helpful, I'll update those who are interested. Rachel wrote to a friend who work for CPG until the mess this summer, who coincidentally, was the editor for my project. He directed me to the information in Publisher's Weekly, as Janet cited recently. My husband is helping me to look into getting reimbursement through the bankruptcy proceedings, and we have gotten some information about copyright protection. Through the internet we located the author in case we need to contact him. A few months ago I ordered the book through Barnes & Noble so I could look at it and confirm that my index was used. (When I was trying to figure out why I wasn't getting paid, I wanted proof of my index in case CPG claimed it was too awful to use and therefore they weren't going to pay me.) I was told that B&N's distributor did not carry it and the book would have to be ordered through the publisher. Needless to say, B&N has not yet gotten the book and now I know why. Anyway, I believe it has not been sold to another publisher. Thanks too, Elliot, for the info. on the National Writer's Union. I don't know if they would hold more clout than another lawyer, but I'll keep them in mind. Actually, there are several lawyers in my family (unfortunately none licensed in NJ) and one has tried to contact CPG on my behalf. His phone calls were not returned and his certified letter was refused--probably because it was from an attorney. Obviously we've needed a new door to enter, as we now seem to have through the copyright and bankruptcy issues. I am determined to follow this through until I get as much payment as possible, and am feeling much more optimistic than when I first wrote. Thanks again. Laurie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:13:09 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marlene London Subject: Re: Hazel Blumberg Mckee MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm having difficulty e-mailing Hazel Blumberg McKee. Does anyone have her correct address? Marlene London Profindex@worldnet.att.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:59:46 -0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Shuttleworth Subject: Carol Publishing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Elliot Linzer wrote@ < Back a few years ago, the Macmillan went bankrupt as a result of the crumbling of the empire of Sir Robert Maxwell. Just a small point of information: Robert Maxwell was never knighted (and it is highly unlikely that he ever would have been). Christine (a former Maxwell employee) ************************************************************ Christine Shuttleworth, Indexing & Editorial Services Executive Editor, The Indexer Flat 1, 25 St Stephen's Avenue, London W12 8JB cshuttle@dircon.co.uk ************************************************************ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 06:34:12 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Deborah E. Patton" Subject: Re: commas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barbara wrote about commas in index entries of names with suffixes : >But the inversion surely requires the comma, no? That's the argument exactly. Thanks! Deborah ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:01:33 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marlene London Subject: Re: Hazel Blumberg Mckee MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Deborah, for the speedy reply! Marlene London Profindex@worldnet.att.net ---------- > From: Marlene London > To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU > Subject: Re: Hazel Blumberg Mckee > Date: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 12:13 AM > > I'm having difficulty e-mailing Hazel Blumberg McKee. Does anyone have her > correct address? > > > Marlene London > Profindex@worldnet.att.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:23:46 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: commas In-Reply-To: <199911240504.AAA26366@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Jones, Robert, II > >I didn't major in English and I'm sure it shows. Are any of you indexing >names and omitting this comma before either or both of these types of >suffixes? I include the comma in both cases. See 17.87 in the 14th edition of _Chicago Manual of Style_. Chicago doesn't give a rationale, but here's my own reasoning: even if you allow that the name may be written in text as Robert Jones II or Robert Jones Jr. those suffixes "modify" the entire name Robert Jones. When you invert, you have an intervening first name, hence Jones, Robert, II or Jones, Robert, Jr. It's almost as is "Robert" is a nonrestrictive clause here, which would get commas on both sides. You know, Fowler has nine pages on inversion and not a word on inversion of names in indexes. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My indexer@execpc.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer new Web address to come ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:48:38 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elliot Linzer Subject: Re: Carol Publishing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I stand corrected. I guess I inflated Mr. Maxwell beyond his existing status. | Elliot Linzer | 43-05 Crommelin Street | Flushing, New York 11355 | (718) 353-1261 | elinzer@juno.com On Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:59:46 -0000 Christine Shuttleworth writes: > Elliot Linzer wrote@ > > < Back a few years ago, the Macmillan went bankrupt as a result of the > crumbling of the empire of Sir Robert Maxwell. > > Just a small point of information: Robert Maxwell was never knighted (and it > is highly unlikely that he ever would have been). > > Christine (a former Maxwell employee) > > ************************************************************ > Christine Shuttleworth, Indexing & Editorial Services > Executive Editor, The Indexer > Flat 1, 25 St Stephen's Avenue, London W12 8JB > cshuttle@dircon.co.uk > ************************************************************ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:27:12 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Marcia A. 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It was the 1st (and only) index for Appleton, and I wanted to= make a good impression, being that I was struggling to build up my busine= ss and pay my bills. Accordingly, I completed it in about 24 hrs from when I= received the page proofs (I was up almost all night). Mr. Appleton called= my index "a work of genius." It was contracted for $2/page. I never received payment. For several months, I sent Mr. Appleton faxes and left him messages, none= of which he responded to. When I reached him on the phone at various time= s from April 1998 to Jan. 1999, he stated a check had been sent, or that he= had been sick, or that he had doctor bills, or that he was awaiting payme= nt himself that week. Each time he promised that a check would be sent soon.= In our last conversation (in January), I requested an immediate initial payment of at least $10. He agreed to "take care of it." When he failed t= o respond, I wrote him a certified letter insisting on immediate payment. I= haven't heard from him since. Despite the fact that I (unwisely) don't use written contracts w/publishe= rs or authors, I'm happy to say this has only happened once, out of the 150+= books I've indexed from various publishers. Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Leonard S. Rosenbaum Indexing and Abstracting Services 4220 Alton Pl. NW Washington, DC 20016-2018 202-393-2885 phone 202-364-3314 fax leonardleonard@compuserve.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:06:21 -0800 Reply-To: jeanmidd@prodigy.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jean Middleton Subject: Re: commas MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am very glad to note that in text Chicago 14 accepts, actually recommends, the omission of commas in both Jr. and and II after names (8.55). It never made much sense to me to use the comma with Jr. and not with II, III, etc. However, I *did* major in English and am used to such inconsistencies and usually follow them without complaint. I am pleased, however, to see this change. I do agree that they should be retained in indexes, however, because of the inversion. Jean Middleton IndexEmpire Indexing Services www.indexempire.com Riverside, CA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:02:01 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Patricia H. Gross" Subject: Warning about Paris Press (slow payment or nonpayment) In-Reply-To: <199911242148_MC2-8E8A-6D44@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I suppose I should comment about my experience of being stiffed on a bill. I did one previous index for this feminist publisher, and did get paid, but the previous project involved a dead author. For the more recent project, there weree living authors (or rather editors, really), and it did look like trouble early on, because the editors didn't want an index, but I was hired by the publisher, and I assumed I would be paid by the publisher. When the job was done, the publisher asked me to bill the editors directly. (I know, I should have gotten a contract, but my husband had just died or was dying, I forget the exact time sequence, but it was not a time when I could focus on every aspect of what I was doing.) The publisher has been explicit about how delighted she is with the index, and has said she will pay me and get it from the royalties if the editors don't pay, but it has been a long time and the payment hasn't happened yet. (When I got in touch with the editors directly, they indicated an expectation of a fee about 1/3 of what the publisher and I agreed upon, an amount I don't want to settle for.) My guess is that the publisher will pay this eventually, but only when she wants me for another indexing job. However, I've had enough trouble getting paid that it does seem fair to other indexers to warn about this publisher. Patricia Gross ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:29:17 +1100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jon and Glenda Subject: Re: More Mirth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael, We were talking about authors being people who would prefer give work to someone who didn't pay GST, while publishers would normally be able to claim it all back as input credites. Another point: Govet depts who don't make any profit can't claim back inupt credits. Someone in Qld said they have all been told that it will be cheaper now to hire staff than to hire contractors or consultants, who have to add teh GST. Doesnt seem fair, but anyhow, its something to take into consideration. Glenda. PS I work for 2 people in Govt depts. One is efficient (michael giffen who you know); the others ask for the result before I have access to the material! But its a good job, and they pay $55 ph so I live with it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Wyatt To: Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 1999 7:41 AM Subject: More Mirth > Does anyone out there actually deal with government departments from > preference? > > Last Thursday I received a call from a state department who wanted an Annual > Report indexed (a statutory requirement here). When would it be ready for > indexing? Next Tuesday. Wow! They gave me notice! How long is it? Two > hundred pages. How long have I got to do it? Two days. Gulp. OK, I thought, > I have a gap next week. Then: > > Govt Dept: "Can I have a quote?" > Me: "Sure." > Long silence. > GD: "Well, what is it?" > Me: "What is what?" > GD: "The quote!" > > Explanation: They can't send me a sample until they have a purchase order, > and they can't raise a purchase order until they have a quote. Solution: > They emailed me a draft in Word. I pointed out that this could make the job > more expensive, since I would have to do some work twice. They were Most > Unhappy. > > Michael Wyatt > Keyword Editorial Services > 22 Kendall Street, Surry Hills 2010 Australia > Phone 0500 KEYWRD (0500 539 973) Fax (02) 9331 7785 > keyword@ozemail.com.au ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:52:11 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Robert A. Saigh" Subject: unsubscribe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- Razorsharp Communications, Inc. Robert A. Saigh, President 6482 Lloyd Avenue Saint Louis, MO 63139-3445 314.781.4731 (voice/fax) fugleman@mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 23:50:20 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Seasonal slowdown? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << Are there any times of the year that are traditionally slower for you than others? ...Also, related to this, about how many indexes per year do people average with one regular client (I realize this could vary a great deal, but from a medium/large size publisher can you count on one a month maybe?) >> In my experience this varies so very much that it isn't really possible to predict. Some other people have said things about textbook and scholarly publishers that I've found to be mostly true, except for the years that seem to be exceptions...For instance, right now my textbook clients have dried up for the moment but scholarly is going strong. Clients are extremely variable too. I have clients who give me as many jobs as I can take, more or less all year long (sounds wonderful except that they're difficult scholarly books--I can't do too many of them at once!), some who parcel them out and give me about one every few months, some who are extremely haphazard, some who have a ton during one season and none the rest of the year...Sorry, it makes it hard to plan! Your goal should be to have quite a few different clients, different kinds of books, different sizes and patterns, so that your time gets covered. Do Mi Stauber ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 16:14:59 +1100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Jon and Glenda Subject: Web Site Indexing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01BF38F2.8D403660" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01BF38F2.8D403660 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0036_01BF38F2.8D403660" ------=_NextPart_001_0036_01BF38F2.8D403660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As a business with a Web site, you may be able to attract and retain more customers if they can quickly find the material they are seeking on your site. We are offering our new Website Indexing service to local businesses who want to ensure that their site visitors have quick and frustration-free back-of-book index style access. See http://www.hermes.net.au/jonjermey/website_indexing.htm for details. A brief excerpt from a Web site index is attached. Jonathan Jermey and Glenda Browne ------=_NextPart_001_0036_01BF38F2.8D403660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As a business with a Web site, you may be able = to attract=20 and retain
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------=_NextPart_000_0035_01BF38F2.8D403660-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 12:10:09 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jenny Liberatore Subject: Library School Assignment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-424238335-943733409=:19166" --0-424238335-943733409=:19166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello, all. I am new to the list, and I have a special mission in this message. I am a first-year student at the College of Library and Information Sciences at the University of South Carolina. For one of my introductory classes, I need a short interview with someone in a field of library and information sciences in which I am interested. That would be indexing and abstracting. Here are my questions for anyone to answer. 1. Is a career in indexing/abstracting more or less stressful than one as a public services librarian or a technical services librarian? 2. Are stereotypes of indexers similar to those of librarians in general? 3. (Most importantly)Is it fun? These questions are for a short assignment, and are by no means exhaustive of my interests, so I would welcome any additional information, even if I can not use it in my assignment. My e-mail address for anyone who does not want to send his/her reply to the list is:jrliberatore@yahoo.comI thank you all so ! much,Jenny R. Liberatore --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping. --0-424238335-943733409=:19166 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hello, all. I am new to the list, and I have a special mission in this message. I am a first-year student at the College of Library and Information Sciences at the University of South Carolina. For one of my introductory classes, I need a short interview with someone in a field of library and information sciences in which I am interested. That would be indexing and abstracting. Here are my questions for anyone to answer. 1. Is a career in indexing/abstracting more or less stressful than one as a public services librarian or a technical services librarian? 2. Are stereotypes of indexers similar to those of librarians in general? 3. (Most importantly)Is it fun? These questions are for a short assignment, and are by no means exhaustive of my interests, so I would welcome any additional information, even if I can not use it in my assignment. My e-mail address for anyone who does not want to send his/her reply to the list is: jrliberatore@yahoo.com I thank you all so much, Jenny R. Liberatore

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--0-424238335-943733409=:19166-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 18:14:31 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Melanie Edwards Subject: Re: Library School Assignment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/27/1999 3:28:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, jrliberatore@YAHOO.COM writes: Hello Jenny, I hope my answers help you with your assignment. > 1. Is a career in indexing/abstracting more or less stressful than one as a > public services librarian or a technical services librarian? I worked in a university library and a public library (both while I worked on my library degree, so I wasn't a true librarian) before I entered the "real" working world. I have also worked for two large companies (AT&T before the breakup) and Bellcore (after the breakup). In addition, I have worked for two nonprofit organizations. Except for the two library jobs, all were indexing and abstracting or very closely related to I&A. The two library jobs were pleasant and rather cushy as far as stress was concerned. The two corporate jobs had a little more pressure. The two nonprofit organizations were, far and away, the most stressful. This is probably because both were in publishing and I was upper management level and had to deal with killer deadlines. Also, I would say that nonprofit organizations, by their very nature, must keep staff lean and efficient to keep costs down. A smaller staff means more work for everybody. All of these jobs were very fulfilling and all have contributed to a terrific amount of experience and a knowledge base that pays off now that I am freelance indexing. 2. Are > stereotypes of indexers similar to those of librarians in general? Probably, yes. At least in my experience because I was a librarian by education. 3. (Most > importantly)Is it fun? You bet. As a manager, I gained skills in budgeting, marketing, and time management that pay off in all walks of life. Also, the subject matter is quite diverse. As my brother said once while visiting and seeing piles of work, you can get a pretty weird education doing what I do. Hope this helps. Melanie Edwards ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:00:18 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: cgweaver@MINDSPRING.COM Subject: New Web page Comments: To: Index-NW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As the proud mother of a new Web page, I'd like to cordially invite everybody to visit the newborn at http://www.mindspring.com/~cgweaver and let me know your reactions. As far as I know, all the links work; but it's truly _amazing_ what happens to web page colors when moving between computers and browsers! Regards, Carolyn G. Weaver Weaver Indexing Service 2213 138th Ave. S.E. Bellevue, WA 98005 phone: 206/930-4348 fax: 425-746-2263 email: cgweaver@mindspring.com web: http://www.mindspring.com/~cgweaver PS -- I'll still love you even if your response is along the line of, "Now _that's_ a baby!" when you can't tell if the kid is a boy, a girl, or a chimpanzee! 8=) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 12:52:08 -0800 Reply-To: anderson@the-indexer.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charles Anderson Subject: Re: New Web page In-Reply-To: <000101bf39d2$d156b820$e82579a5@hslib.washington.edu.hslib.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Carolyn, Very nice clean look. You might think about putting the titles of works indexed in bold instead of, or also in italics to make them stand out more. Otherwise, I really like it! Did you do it yourself or have it done? Charles -----Original Message----- From: Indexer's Discussion Group [mailto:INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU]On Behalf Of cgweaver@MINDSPRING.COM Sent: Sunday, November 28, 1999 11:00 AM To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU Subject: New Web page As the proud mother of a new Web page, I'd like to cordially invite everybody to visit the newborn at http://www.mindspring.com/~cgweaver and let me know your reactions. As far as I know, all the links work; but it's truly _amazing_ what happens to web page colors when moving between computers and browsers! Regards, Carolyn G. Weaver Weaver Indexing Service 2213 138th Ave. S.E. Bellevue, WA 98005 phone: 206/930-4348 fax: 425-746-2263 email: cgweaver@mindspring.com web: http://www.mindspring.com/~cgweaver PS -- I'll still love you even if your response is along the line of, "Now _that's_ a baby!" when you can't tell if the kid is a boy, a girl, or a chimpanzee! 8=)