Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9909D" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:40:20 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: SHughes512@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Husband-Wife Indexer Teams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I often wonder how other partners share their business. Great question Ardith. My husband and I have been indexing together for a number of years. It may seem wasteful, but we both review most manuscripts. I index full-time, Alun indexes part-time. Our goal is to "retire" in a few years, to someplace where we can enjoy looking out of the window, AND keep indexing full-time. Alun just got a new three year research grant, so I'm planning (daydreaming) around that. We've worked out where each of us is the most useful. I'm a much better typist and he is a much better proofreader. Computers and software are my thing, he avoids them whenever he can. We share marking text but being full-time, I mark most manuscripts and Alun marks most journals - they fit in his briefcase. We share editing. We manage to avoid turf battles. If he marks a journal and I change something during entry, that's fine. If he deletes or changes the wording during editing, I usually agree. I do the bookkeeping, marketing and correspondence. We are both involved in our local ASI chapter. Looking around me, I don't think either one of us does enough housework. I'm absolutely insistent that when he goes full-time, he will have to get some voice-activated software, or hire a typist. I have this fear that in order to keep up with his full-time efforts, I'd have to be a full-time data entry person. That wouldn't be any fun. Sharon Hughes ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 14:02:03 -0400 Reply-To: kamm@sky-software.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kamm Y. Schreiner" Subject: SKY Index Support MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01BF0503.0BFAF4A0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BF0503.0BFAF4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, SKY Software just changed its web server from a UNIX based server to an NT server with FrontPage extensions. Because of this, there was a period of time when email sent to an address at sky-software.com may have come back as undeliverable. The time period involved was small, but if you were attempting to get information or support and your email bounced, please resend it. Your email should now get to us. Sincerely, Kamm Schreiner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Professional Indexing Software for Professional Indexers SKY Software 6016 Oxpen Ct, #303 Alexandria, VA 22315 Email: kamm@sky-software.com, Web: http://www.sky-software.com Phone: 800-776-0137 or 703-921-9472, Fax: 703-921-9472 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BF0503.0BFAF4A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0029_01BF0503.0BFAF4A0-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 01:32:18 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: ROBJRICH@AOL.COM Subject: Trouble from a Literary Reference - Off Topic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This was in the current issue of the NEJM. Thought that it might be of interest to indexers.... Bob ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The New England Journal of Medicine -- September 23, 1999 -- Vol. 341, No. 13 Trouble from a Literary Reference ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- To the Editor: A 51-year-old high-school teacher had a myocardial infarction and was taken to a community hospital in cardiogenic shock. His condition was stabilized, and he was transferred to a university hospital, where he spent seven days in the coronary care unit. While in this unit, he reported that the restrictions on his movement due to the numerous intravenous lines, the infusion pumps, and the nasal cannula made him feel as if he were "in Peter Coffin's inn." Peter Coffin owns the Spouter-Inn, a lodging house in Herman Melville's 1851 novel Moby-Dick. There Ishmael, the narrator, must share a bed with the bulky Queequeg because of lack of space at the inn. The patient's nurse heard the word "coffin" and wondered whether the patient was suicidal. Psychiatric consultants were called. They spent several hours talking with him and concluded that he was not suicidal. No one seemed to recognize the reference to Moby-Dick. No one had read the novel. Two lessons may be drawn from this incident. First, medical personnel need to listen more closely to patients' remarks and ask about unfamiliar phrases. Second (and less readily changed), physicians and nurses need a broader education in the humanities. Howard Fischer, M.D. Children's Hospital of Michigan Detroit, MI 48201 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:03:52 +0100 Reply-To: jsampson@indexes.u-net.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "J.R. Sampson" Subject: Re: Trouble from a Literary Reference - Off Topic In-Reply-To: <4f0609b1.251b1562@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I am surprised the question is not asked why no-one asked the nurse what he/she thought the patient said. The letter to NEJM seems to be part of the problem. Common sense seems to be what was lacking, not literary knowledge. Doctors have more than enough to learn already - there is always someone with a pet subject he thinks doctors ought to learn - perhaps it leaves them no time to think. Regards _John Sampson_ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:23:36 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kari Miller Subject: Job opportunity: newspaper indexing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was contacted about this job, but do not have the required experience, so I'm passing it along. The following is part of the emails I received: We are seeking a professional indexer to be a project on our local newspaper. We want to start with the oldest material first and work forward. This will need to be done manually as the older papers are not suitable for optical character scanning. Also, we want someone who already has familiarity with a controlled subject list for newspapers. We do not want someone "inventing the wheel." The indexer would be working with microfilm newspapers so it could be done from any location. A sit e visit may be required but not necessarily. This is from a Georgia newspaper, and that is all the info I have. Please respond directly to Susan Stewart at: sstewart@mail.hall.public.lib.ga.us Hopefully someone can help her out! Kari Miller ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:28:43 PDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: s bodell Subject: Looking for mentor/contractor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi all, I am a new indexer, have been marketing and working on sample indexes for about 6 months. I have made some good contacts and even have an "open" contract with two big publishers. But no work has materialized yet. A lot of publishers have told me that although they are looking for more indexers, they only want people who have "paid" experience and that I should contact them when I have finished a real index. So, I am looking for someone to work with. If anyone out there is an established indexer with more work than they can handle, I would like to offer myself as a subcontractor. I am particularly interested in medical indexing (I was a cataloger for a major hospital/research center library) but will take work in almost any area. Please contact me off-list if interested. Thanks in advance. Sheila Bodell ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:37:33 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Keith McQuay Subject: Automatic Capitalization in Word Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Word sometimes capitalizes first letters when I'm editing an index making it easy for mistakes to appear. Does anyone know how to turn this off? I've looked everywhichway and can't find the off button! THANKS Keith ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:24:04 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: ldudycha Subject: Re: ASI-Wisconsin chapter Fall Conference MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Mary, Sorry to be so long in contacting you. I'm in South Carolina now and have been for 3-4 weeks with my seriously ailing mom. I am returning next week to WI for about two weeks, but then will return back here so probably won't be around for the fall conference. Which I regret, for it again sounds as if you/others have planned a nice day. But the real point of my message. The so-called ASI-WI Directory. I say so-called because I was really disappointed in the returns. Brod, Burt, Carreno, Costello, Diodato, Dudycha, Edwards, Ericson, Flaig, Gottlieb, Littlewood, VanDien, Wosewick, and Wren responded. Several forms that had been returned to me with undeliverable addresses I sent back out, and/or sent those folks an e-mail requesting a current address. All in all, the enthusiasm and response for and to this project was not stellar. Including, neither Venetia Demson nor Carol Roberts responded. I've entered all the data for the 14 returns into my little database. However, given the small number of persons, the data don't really lend themselves to the kinds of summarizing searches and categorical listings that I had envisioned (nor, are they "needed"). At this point I think I'm going to opt for an alphabetical listing of all members using latest available address/contact informations, and include descriptive narrative paragraphs for the indexing information provided by the 12 members who choose to be listed as "available" indexers. In any event I don't have an adequate printer with me now to create a "final" product. But will do so when I return to WI, and will mail you a draft copy for your comments/reactions. For the fourteen people who responded I hate not to follow through with a "directory." On the other hand, a meager 40% response rate hardly makes for a "complete" directory of ASI-WI members. Just wanted to let you know the status/progress of the directory. Will contact you when I get back to WI. Hope you're well and incredibly busy! Linda ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:21:40 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Karen Field Subject: Re: Automatic Capitalization in Word MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, Keith. Go to Tool/Autocorrect. There's a checkbox there that says something like, "Capitalize first words of sentences." Deselect the checkbox. I must close with my mantra: IhateWordIhateWordIhateWordIhateWord ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:19:13 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dan Connolly Subject: Re: Automatic Capitalization in Word MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In Word 97for Windows, it's under "Tools" ---> "AutoCorrect". There are a number of features that you can control from this window./Dan ================================ Daniel A. Connolly mailto:connolly@neca.com Word For Word Indexing Services http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com Woodstock, CT, USA ================================ ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith McQuay To: Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 4:37 PM Subject: Automatic Capitalization in Word > Word sometimes capitalizes first letters when I'm editing an index making it > easy for mistakes to appear. Does anyone know how to turn this off? I've > looked everywhichway and can't find the off button! > > THANKS > > Keith > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:26:14 -0400 Reply-To: kbab@northnet.org Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kate Babbitt Subject: Re: Automatic Capitalization in Word MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keith--You didn't say which version of Word you're using, but I suspect this will help regardless. Go to Tools|Autocorrect|Autoformat and untick the offending boxes. Kate Babbitt kbab@northnet.org Keith McQuay wrote: > Word sometimes capitalizes first letters when I'm editing an index making it > easy for mistakes to appear. Does anyone know how to turn this off? I've > looked everywhichway and can't find the off button! > > THANKS > > Keith ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:13:09 -0700 Reply-To: Homer Ellison Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Homer Ellison Subject: Re: Automatic Capitalization in Word MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keith, On the menu bar: Tools / AutoCorrect. Make sure the box for "Capitalize first letter of sentences" is unchecked. Regards, Homer -----Original Message----- From: Keith McQuay To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU Date: Thursday, September 23, 1999 1:50 PM Subject: Automatic Capitalization in Word >Word sometimes capitalizes first letters when I'm editing an index making it >easy for mistakes to appear. Does anyone know how to turn this off? I've >looked everywhichway and can't find the off button! > >THANKS > >Keith ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:36:44 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lillian Ashworth Subject: Re: fictional names / Reagan biography Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In light of our recent discussion on how to index fictional characters, a thread currently running on CEL has to do with the new Edmund Morris biography of Ronald Reagan in which a fictional character appears. Did an index-ler do this index? Whether or not one of us did, does anyone know how this character was indexed? Or was he indexed? Lillian ashworth@pullman.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 17:44:06 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kari Miller Subject: Re: Automatic Capitalization in Word MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keith- Go to "Tools" and select "auto correct." Then click on "capitalize first letter of sentences" so that this box is unchecked. Then click "okay," and that should do it. Kari Miller Keith McQuay wrote: > Word sometimes capitalizes first letters when I'm editing an index making it > easy for mistakes to appear. Does anyone know how to turn this off? I've > looked everywhichway and can't find the off button! > > THANKS > > Keith ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:37:10 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: S Sweeney Subject: Re: Automatic Capitalization in Word MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keith: I just turned mine off a few minutes ago, so I remember. It's a check under Tools|AutoCorrect. Take the check away. Sharon Sweeney ssweeney@ruraltel.net Keith McQuay wrote: > Word sometimes capitalizes first letters when I'm editing an index making it > easy for mistakes to appear. Does anyone know how to turn this off? I've > looked everywhichway and can't find the off button! > > THANKS > > Keith ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:14:34 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: Automatic Capitalization in Word In Tools select Autocorrect. The first Autocorrect tab has a checkbox for "Capitalize first letter of sentences." Uncheck it. Sharon Wright Sharon.Wright@lexis-nexis.com LEXIS Publishing > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith McQuay [SMTP:keithm@SUPERAJE.COM] > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 4:38 PM > To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU > Subject: Automatic Capitalization in Word > > Word sometimes capitalizes first letters when I'm editing an index making > it > easy for mistakes to appear. Does anyone know how to turn this off? I've > looked everywhichway and can't find the off button! > > THANKS > > Keith ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:42:45 -0400 Reply-To: Nevermind@nospam.me Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christin Keck Organization: Never. It spoils my system. Subject: Re: Automatic Capitalization in Word MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Karen Field wrote: > > Hi, Keith. > > Go to Tool/Autocorrect. There's a checkbox there that says something like, > "Capitalize first words of sentences." Deselect the checkbox. > > I must close with my mantra: IhateWordIhateWordIhateWordIhateWord AMENAMENAMEN!!!!! I hate it too. It does stuff that no decent word processor NEEDS to do. -- CK, or as they say in Spain, "Yes, what?" VISIT THE WORLD OF WHISLBABE: http://www.geocities.com/soho/square/4033/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 18:16:44 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Robert Brod Subject: Re: ASI-Wisconsin chapter Fall Conference In-Reply-To: <37EA8C63.A05272EE@rli-net.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Linda, Am really sorry we won't see you on the 23rd! But I do hope that things will go better with your mother, and that you are not under too much stress. Thanks for all your hard work on the "so-called" directory. I am quite surprised at the low response. I'm going to be going over the list of ASI members to see who didn't respond (besides Carol and Venetia) to think about why. One thing that occurs to me is that the membership may be in flux because of the doubling of dues to $120. Some people who are only marginally indexing, not-yet-indexing (such as Venetia) or have lost interest may not have renewed, in which case I won't know about it. The latest list I have from ASI hq indicates 30 members, but renewals come up throughout the year, and there may be some attrition. Anyway, at least we'll have a list of 14 people that we can use for referrals -- who to be contacted for work. It will still be worth the effort I think. Mary At 01:24 PM 9/23/99 -0700, you wrote: >Mary, > >Sorry to be so long in contacting you. I'm in South Carolina now and >have been for 3-4 weeks with my seriously ailing mom. I am returning >next week to WI for about two weeks, but then will return back here so >probably won't be around for the fall conference. Which I regret, for >it again sounds as if you/others have planned a nice day. > >But the real point of my message. The so-called ASI-WI Directory. I >say so-called because I was really disappointed in the returns. Brod, >Burt, Carreno, Costello, Diodato, Dudycha, Edwards, Ericson, Flaig, >Gottlieb, Littlewood, VanDien, Wosewick, and Wren responded. Several >forms that had been returned to me with undeliverable addresses I sent >back out, and/or sent those folks an e-mail requesting a current >address. All in all, the enthusiasm and response for and to this >project was not stellar. Including, neither Venetia Demson nor Carol >Roberts responded. > >I've entered all the data for the 14 returns into my little database. >However, given the small number of persons, the data don't really lend >themselves to the kinds of summarizing searches and categorical listings >that I had envisioned (nor, are they "needed"). At this point I think >I'm going to opt for an alphabetical listing of all members using latest >available address/contact informations, and include descriptive >narrative paragraphs for the indexing information provided by the 12 >members who choose to be listed as "available" indexers. > >In any event I don't have an adequate printer with me now to create a >"final" product. But will do so when I return to WI, and will mail you >a draft copy for your comments/reactions. For the fourteen people who >responded I hate not to follow through with a "directory." On the other >hand, a meager 40% response rate hardly makes for a "complete" directory >of ASI-WI members. > >Just wanted to let you know the status/progress of the directory. Will >contact you when I get back to WI. Hope you're well and incredibly >busy! > >Linda > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:20:14 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Ardith Ayotte, R.T." Subject: Husband/Wife Indexing Teams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01BF0601.0BB357E0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BF0601.0BB357E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to the 3 teams who responded. Very interesting and helpful. Sincerely, Ardith 8-) ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BF0601.0BB357E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BF0601.0BB357E0-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:54:09 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Peggy Pedigo Subject: Business name check MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fellow list members, I have launched my indexing business under the name Indexing Gems. The name is registered in Arizona. If anyone knows of any conflict with this name or of any very similar name in the indexing business (anywhere), I would appreciate hearing from you. Please reply directly to me at: pegped@aol.com Thanks for your help. Peggy Indexing Gems =85=85.. Cut and Polished Indexes by Peggy J. Pedigo Phone: 602-954-9328 Email: pegpedigo@aol.com 3437 N. 50th Place, Phoenix, AZ 85018 Indexing in general topics, specializing in Asian Studies, political science, and history. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:45:25 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DTDIGGS@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Husband/Wife Indexing Teams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/23/99 7:20:27 PM EST, abbaindx@CROSSLINK.NET writes: << Thanks to the 3 teams who responded. Very interesting and helpful. Sincerely, Ardith 8-) >> Were these 3 responses off-list? I didn't see them -- and I'm interested in the same subject. -- Teddy D. Teddy Diggs DIGGS EDITORIAL SERVICES dtdiggs@aol.com phone: 501-771-1727 fax: 501-771-1731 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 23:07:10 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Peggy Pedigo Subject: Help with titles of films, books, etc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Experienced indexers, I need advice. I indexed a trade book addressed to general audiences which contained many names of works and titles of publications. Because of the density of names and titles (some in other languages and mingled with personal names) in book aimed at a popular audience it is very difficult to know what they are. I received the excellent suggestion that I aid the reader by describing them in parentheses: Abandoned Capital (book) City of Sadness (film) Dushu (magazine) Haowai (newspaper) Red Sun (cassette) =85of songs Lovers (play) =93New History: 1993 Mass Consumption=94 (art show) =85 title of an art sh= ow =93My 1997=94 (song) =93Power of the Powerless=94 (essay) and political slogans=85=85.. etc. etc. etc. Are there any conventions on this? Taboos? As a further complication, according to Chicago, I should carry the author=92s last name in parentheses after the book title. Would the author=92= s name come first? Or is it too junky to carry both? Abandoned Capital (Jai) (book) Finally, must I treat all titles and names of works the same if I start the practice described above? Some of the newspapers and magazines are obvious, like Eastern Chronicle. giggle, guess I=92m asking if I really have to be consistent Some of the works have mention of the author and title only once and on the same page, while others have extensive discussion. I appreciate any advice. This is my first practice book and I am hurrying to perfect it to use as my sample to editors. Peggy Pedigo Indexing Gems ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:15:36 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barbara Stroup Subject: fall conference in beautiful western Massachusetts ! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The Massachusetts Chapter of the American Society of Indexers is very pleased to announce its 5th annual fall conference. We think this program is truly outstanding, and we've chosen a great location, so we hope to see you all there. Saturday, October 2, at the Sturbridge Host Hotel in Sturbridge, Mass. (See below for registration form and directions to the conference.) 8.15 Registration. Coffee and bagels 8.45 E-Books and the Future of Indexing John Sullivan, Senior Technical Writer, Watson Wyatt Electronic books are the wave of the future! Find out what formats, skills, and knowledge are needed to index documents developed solely for electronic delivery. 10.00 Break 10.15 Wilson Award Winners Panel Discussion Jeanne Moody, Marcia Carlson, and Richard Genova Moderator: Cynthia Grabke, Secretary , MSI Join Jeanne, Marcia, and Richard for the story behind the award, and hear how they created their award-winning indexes. Their books will be on display, so don't miss this opportunity to see them first hand. 12.00 Lunch Buffet Vegetarians and non-vegetarians accommodated 1.15 Chapter Business 1.30 Managing Your Time and Money Susan Holbert and Barbara Stroup, Past Presidents, MSI Learn some timely tips for meeting deadlines and creating workable schedules. Earn what you're worth by using expert negotiating skills and by charging the right rate. 2:30 Break 2:45 Indexing Historical Letters [New Workshop] Charlotte Skuster, Reference Librarian and Indexer Learn about the unique challenges and solutions encountered in indexing primary historical materials, specifically a collection of nineteenth and early twentieth century letters and documents. 4.15 Wrap up, evaluation, informal networking >Registration Form Please circle one Postmark ASI Members Nonmembers $110 $120 Fee includes lunch and breaks (accommodating vegetarians and non-vegetarians) Please print legibly Name_______________________________ Company _______________________________ Address _______________________________ Phone (______) _______________________________ Email _______________________________ Return this form with check or money order payable to MSI to Jennifer Ammirati-Doyle, Registrar 7 Brayton Rd. Brighton, MA 02135 ********************** Barbara Stroup, Indexer 30 Spruceland Avenue, Springfield, MA 01108 413 785-1835 e-mail indexa2z@the-spa.com **************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:43:40 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: SHughes512@AOL.COM Subject: CGLC Fall meeting - indexing still images MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit American Society of Indexers Chicago/Great Lakes Chapter Fall Meeting -- Nov. 6th, 1999 INDEXING STILL IMAGES In the last 5 years the demand for visual material has skyrocketed and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. This workshop is designed to introduce you into this rapidly changing world. A world which is now opening up for a new breed of indexers. By the end of this workshop you will have a clearer understanding of this new field. Speaker: Meis Martin Saturday November 6th Wyndham Gardens Hotel 5615 N Cumberland Avenue Chicago IL (773-695-5800) Reservations are now being taken for our Fall Meeting. Members Non-members Sept 22-Oct 22 85.00 100.00 Oct 22-Nov 3 100.00 115.00 At the door (seating is limited) 115.00 125.00 Please send registrations to: (and include your choice of Roundtable) and make checks payable to Chicago/Great Lakes Chapter Martha Malnor 185 Walnut St. Elmhurst, IL 60126 The Reservation includes: Continental breakfast, buffet lunch and afternoon refreshments. Roundtable discussions will accompany the buffet lunch. Cancellation Policy: Reservation fees will be refunded for reservations cancelled before November 1st. A $15 processing fee will be deducted from the refund. After November 1st no refunds will be made on cancelled reservations. Notify Martha Malnor at 630-834-3545 if you need to cancel. PRELIMARY AGENDA 8:30 to 9:15 Registration and networking (continental breakfast available) 9:15 to 11:45 Morning program Introduction: - Who is AI? - What AI has accomplished? - Who is the presenter? - Outline of the workshop itself. Break Still's Indexing: Basic Concepts - Does a picture really say a thousand words? - What is visual Literacy? - Layering of objects or elements of an image 11:45 to 1:15 Lunch and Roundtables 1. "Marketing" 2. "Ask the President"--Sandi Schroeder has graciously volunteered to answer questions about ASI, getting started, etc. (good table for indexers getting started) 1:30 to 4:00 Afternoon program Elements directly and indirectly effecting indexing - Types of visual material being indexed and the scope of the collection - The end needs of your client - The kind or types of indexing software - Time frame within which the work must be accomplished Break: and refreshments. Practice Session: attendees will also work with with sample controlled vocabulary and Indexing Policy at this point. -Break into groups to index Stills (provided by AI) -Discuss the indexing of the Stills Question and Answer session 4:00- Closing remarks and networking. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:57:32 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: PilarW@AOL.COM Subject: Literary References -- slightly off topic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/24/1999 12:44:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob Richardson noted: << This was in the current issue of the NEJM. Thought that it might be of interest to indexers.... >> Thanks for sharing that, Bob. I heard something similar about a recent criminal out west (not sure if it was the man who shot up the synagogue, or more recently, perhaps someone else can clarify), who had once been suicidal, and then was not thought so. Unfortunately, the doctors in that situation did *not* recognize the man's ruminations on Ahab and/or other literary characters, and did not realize he was still violent and dangerous. I realize we can't expect our doctors to all be renaissance folk and to have read all the great literary works. Perhaps we just need to make sure they all have great indexes?! ;-D Pilar ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------- L. Pilar Wyman * Wyman Indexing PilarW@aol.com Great Indexes for Great Books ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 11:54:39 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: April Bolton Subject: expert advice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to all of you who responded to my request for expert advice on how to handle the indexing of our newsletters. We've passed your very helpful recommendations through the channels, are mulling them over and will reach a decision eventually. Thanks again. April -- April Bolton St. Anthony Messenger Press 1615 Republic Street Cincinnati, Ohio 45210 ph: 513-241-5615, ext. 142 fax: 513-241-0399 e-mail: ABolton@AmericanCatholic.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:45:38 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charles Anderson Organization: the-indexer.com Subject: Re: Help with titles of films, books, etc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another possibility would be to use typography to identify the the type of material. Example: titles of books in italics; titles of films in boldface, songs (or other parts of whole works) in quotes, etc. Would depend on the publisher's preference. Charles R. Anderson the-indexer.com P.O. Box 15642 Seattle, WA 98115-0642 phone: 206-985-8799 fax: 206-985-8796 anderson@the-indexer.com http://www.the-indexer.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:48:40 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Craig Brown Subject: Web site address Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" My web site has been moved to: http://lastword.home.mindspring.com FWIW. Craig Brown The Last Word Indexing Services (314) 352-9094 lastword@mindspring.com http://lastword.home.mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:09:12 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Robert Brod Subject: Re: ASI-Wisconsin chapter Fall Conference In-Reply-To: <37EA8C63.A05272EE@rli-net.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Linda, one other thing. Sometime, no rush, can you set aside the short list of undeliverable addresses? It'll help me update the mailing list. I mailed out all the conference brochures last week, and so far no returns, so I wonder if you have current addresses, or if I'll get returns as well. At 01:24 PM 9/23/99 -0700, you wrote: >Mary, > >Sorry to be so long in contacting you. I'm in South Carolina now and >have been for 3-4 weeks with my seriously ailing mom. I am returning >next week to WI for about two weeks, but then will return back here so >probably won't be around for the fall conference. Which I regret, for >it again sounds as if you/others have planned a nice day. > >But the real point of my message. The so-called ASI-WI Directory. I >say so-called because I was really disappointed in the returns. Brod, >Burt, Carreno, Costello, Diodato, Dudycha, Edwards, Ericson, Flaig, >Gottlieb, Littlewood, VanDien, Wosewick, and Wren responded. Several >forms that had been returned to me with undeliverable addresses I sent >back out, and/or sent those folks an e-mail requesting a current >address. All in all, the enthusiasm and response for and to this >project was not stellar. Including, neither Venetia Demson nor Carol >Roberts responded. > >I've entered all the data for the 14 returns into my little database. >However, given the small number of persons, the data don't really lend >themselves to the kinds of summarizing searches and categorical listings >that I had envisioned (nor, are they "needed"). At this point I think >I'm going to opt for an alphabetical listing of all members using latest >available address/contact informations, and include descriptive >narrative paragraphs for the indexing information provided by the 12 >members who choose to be listed as "available" indexers. > >In any event I don't have an adequate printer with me now to create a >"final" product. But will do so when I return to WI, and will mail you >a draft copy for your comments/reactions. For the fourteen people who >responded I hate not to follow through with a "directory." On the other >hand, a meager 40% response rate hardly makes for a "complete" directory >of ASI-WI members. > >Just wanted to let you know the status/progress of the directory. Will >contact you when I get back to WI. Hope you're well and incredibly >busy! > >Linda > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:17:50 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Robert Brod Subject: sorry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Apologies for sending private messages to the list by mistake. Mary Brod ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:59:23 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Sunderman Subject: Drug Names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does anyone have experience with indexing drug names (brand and generic)? I work as an editor for a drug information publisher and because of my past life as a librarian, I've been put in charge of indexing by the editorial director. We were a small house for many years supplying pharmacists with drug facts and pharmaceutical comparisons, but now through acquisitions and expansion are moving into other related areas such as pharmacy law, etc. Indexing has, up until now, been a very low priority around here, with each project editor using/inventing a different style for each publication! I am halfway through the USDA course, am a member of ASI, and attended the Indy conference. After reading the Wellisch book, and based on my years as a reference librarian, I recommended that we adopt the word-by-word style. I now find myself facing a backlash (sometimes quite emotional) over some of the indexing issues that have come up. A meeting has been called for Tuesday morning, which I am to chair, with all project editors and I anticipate a real "hot seat" situation (some of which I think is based on fear of change). Any help the collective wisdom can provide would be greatly appreciated as I forge onward in my quest for an indexed world! Anyway, these are some of the questions/comments I think I'll get: * Even if what we're doing is "wrong" - what's the difference? * Can't one of the computer programs MIS is developing do the drug name indexing? * Drug names are different and can't be done a standard way. THANK YOU! - Susan Sunderman ssunderman@fandc.com (if you prefer to reply directly to me) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:28:15 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Keynote speaker for Albuquerque? In-Reply-To: <199909242103.RAA21473@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone have any thoughts on a keynote speaker for the next ASI conference in Albuquerque in May? If not specific names, how about topics? Pat Schroeder, former congresswoman, President of the Association of American Publishers, and author of "24 Years of Housework" has been mentioned. I approached Jared Spool, a guru in usability and information retrieval, but he was out of our price league. What qualities should we look for in a keynote speaker as opposed to a speaker in a general session? Feel free to reply to the list and get some synergy going. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:03:49 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jan C. Wright" Subject: Re: Keynote speaker for Albuquerque? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Richard Saul Wurman, author of _Information Anxiety_ Bill McKibben, author of _The Age of Missing Information_ Robin Williams (no, not the comedian) the author of I-don't-know-how-many books, does her own indexing as well as production, layout, design, and writing -- _The Little Mac Book_, several books on type and typography, books on design for the non-designer. One of the best tech writers in 3rd party trade books, and she lives in Santa Fe. At 05:28 PM 9/24/99 -0400, you wrote: >Anyone have any thoughts on a keynote speaker for the next ASI conference in >Albuquerque in May? > >If not specific names, how about topics? > >Pat Schroeder, former congresswoman, President of the Association of >American Publishers, and author of "24 Years of Housework" has been >mentioned. > >I approached Jared Spool, a guru in usability and information retrieval, but >he was out of our price league. > >What qualities should we look for in a keynote speaker as opposed to a >speaker in a general session? > >Feel free to reply to the list and get some synergy going. > >Dick =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Wright Information Indexing Services http://www.wrightinformation.com Jancw@wrightinformation.com =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:43:31 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: BECohen653@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Keynote speaker for Albuquerque? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dick, If the woman who indexes Harper's and who is speaking in Kansas soon is any good there, perhaps she might be a good "general interest" keynote speaker. Or, as to topics, how about someone connected to Amazon.com or BarnesandNoble.com or one of the big chain bookstores to talk about the new world of publishing. Barbara ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 21:59:40 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: SHughes512@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Drug Names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-09-24 17:13:23 EDT, you write: << Does anyone have experience with indexing drug names (brand and generic)? >> I usually use flips.. ie. Brand name (generic) and also Generic (brand name) until I have 4-5 entries for the pair, then I eliminate the locators for the brand name and use Brand name (Generic name), see Generic name (Brand name). The issue of Letter by letter or word by word sorts is pretty open. I use Catalogues as my guide rather than any of the old standard texts. The Aldrich Catalogue indexes letter by letter and that's understandable because they have so many long chemical compound names. Check the Merck Index for a drug standard. My journals use word by word. I think all you have to do is pick one and stick with it. Actually, when I flipped through my Pharmaceutical texts I found it was pretty difficult to find examples where it would make any difference. I doubt that it would be useful to use a program developed by MIS to create an index. At their rates of pay, you could buy a software program for about what it would cost to hire an MIS programmer for a day or two. And you KNOW it will take longer than that to prepare a program and test it.. It would probably take longer than that just to write out the requirements. Sharon ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 18:22:55 +1000 Reply-To: diagonal@hermes.net.au Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jon & Glenda Subject: Re: Drug Names In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Susan, Apart from word by word filing I'm not quite sure what aspects of the indexing people are arguing about. I prefer word by word filing, and you could quote authorities (including I think the International Standard??) that suggest word by word filing. I can't see why drug indexing would need a different approach, however, if people strongly preferred letter by letter filing it wouldn't be the end of the world. Letter by letter filing is useful where the use of spaces has changed (eg, day lilies vs. daylilies) but I don't think this would be relevant here. > I recommended that we adopt the word-by-word > style. I now find myself facing a backlash (sometimes quite > emotional) Anyway, these are some of the > questions/comments I think > I'll get: > * Even if what we're doing is "wrong" - what's the difference? Consistency is a major factor in usability, so it should be apparent that all editors should be doing the same (whatever that ends up being). Inconsistency is also bad marketing as it shows slack editing etc. > * Can't one of the computer programs MIS is developing do the drug > name indexing? Perhaps one can. If you have a list of all possible drug names, a program could easily find all occurrences of those names in a text. Depending on what you need the index for that could be enough. It wouldn't work, however, if you didn't know what drugs to list in advance, if you didn't know all variations of those drug names (variant chemical names, plus brand names), and if you wanted any analysis of the occurrence of those drug names in the text (eg, selection of *meaningful* occurrences, selection of subheadings (eg, aspirin, in pregnancy; aspirin, in heart disease). > * Drug names are different and can't be done a standard way. You would have to hear specific reasoning behind this. There might be specific rules that need to be developed for drug indexing in different instances (eg index proper names and refer from brand names) but I don't know of anything that puts drug indexing outside of general indexing procedures. Its up to them to prove the difference. Glenda. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 11:50:54 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Publishers' Conference MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here's an excerpt from a note I received yesterday: "The Programming Committee for the 1999 National Publishing Conference and Book Industry Trade Show has been hard at work putting together a great lineup of seminars and presenters, and we want to give you a sneak preview and ^Ópersonal glimpse^Ô at the continuing education intensives, seminar sessions, and other events at this year^Òs conference in Portland, Oregon, November 6 through 9. (The National Publishing Conference is sponsored and produced by a committee of volunteers actively engaged in the US Book Publishing Industry through the auspices of Rocky Mountain Book Publishers Association [RMBPA], a non-profit educational business trade organization.)" If you are interested, their Web page is http://www.rmbpa.com/conference.html I also have a PDF file that they sent me, which I will gladly pass along to anyone who is seriously interested after reading their Web page. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 09:34:06 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "David M. Brown" Organization: Brown Inc. Subject: WARNING Re: C:\CoolProgs\Pretty Park.exe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I don't know whether anyone else on the list received this message from Dwight Walker, whether it was just for me, or simply an accident. I've asked him for an explanation. If you did receive it, however, DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENT (Pretty Park.exe)-- according to McAfee VirusScan, it's a known worm (a type of virus) called W32/Pretty.Worm. --David ============================= David M. Brown - Brown Inc. dmbrown@brown-inc.com ============================= A V A I L A B L E N O W ! http://www.html-indexer.com/ HTML Indexer 3.1, still the easiest way to create and maintain back-of-the-book indexes for web sites and other HTML documents. Now including options for HTML Help and JavaHelp indexes, too! -------- Original Message -------- Subject: C:\CoolProgs\Pretty Park.exe Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:08:19 +1000 From: "Dwight Walker" To: Test: Pretty Park.exe :) Dwight Walker ------------------------------------ Attachment: Name: Pretty Park.exe Pretty Park.exe Type: unspecified type (application/octet-stream) Encoding: base64 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:18:37 +0100 Reply-To: jsampson@indexes.u-net.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "J.R. Sampson" Subject: Re: WARNING Re: C:\CoolProgs\Pretty Park.exe In-Reply-To: <37ECF97E.5055D156@brown-inc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > I don't know whether anyone else on the list received this message from > Dwight Walker, whether it was just for me, or simply an accident. I've > asked him for an explanation. I also received it and treated it with suspicion. I have also sent Dwight an email about it. Quite likely it wasn't from him at all - the 'From' address might be forged. Regards _John Sampson_ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 12:59:10 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Homer Ellison Subject: Re: FrameMaker conversion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Karen, The editor and I ended up working around the situation, so that everything would be handled in Word instead. As for purchasing Frame, it wouldn't be worth it for me at this point because I rarely have a need for it. If it turns out that by having it I will be able to get projects that I otherwise wouldn't, then I will strongly consider it. Besides, I know it's a very powerful program and I'm sure I would have other uses for it as well. Thanks, Homer ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Field To: Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 9:36 AM Subject: Re: FrameMaker conversion > Would it be worth it to purchase Frame for your indexing business? > > Just my thoughts. > > Karen Field > Technical Writer, Editor, and Indexer ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 19:57:02 -0500 Reply-To: Sandi Schroeder Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sandi Schroeder Subject: Re: Publishers' Conference MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ASI is exhibiting at this show. If you are in attendance, please stop by and say hello. The Pacific Northwest Chapter of ASI will be hosting the booth and will be passing out Indexer Locators to publishers and editors and will also have information on ASI. Sandi Schroeder President, ASI -----Original Message----- From: Richard Evans To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU Date: Saturday, September 25, 1999 11:20 AM Subject: Publishers' Conference >Here's an excerpt from a note I received yesterday: > >"The Programming Committee for the 1999 National Publishing Conference and >Book Industry Trade Show has been hard at work putting together a great >lineup of seminars and presenters, and we want to give you a sneak preview >and ^Ópersonal glimpse^Ô at the continuing education intensives, seminar >sessions, and other events at this year^Òs conference in Portland, Oregon, >November 6 through 9. (The National Publishing Conference is sponsored and >produced by a committee of volunteers actively engaged in the US Book >Publishing Industry through the auspices of Rocky Mountain Book Publishers >Association [RMBPA], a non-profit educational business trade organization.)" > >If you are interested, their Web page is >http://www.rmbpa.com/conference.html > >I also have a PDF file that they sent me, which I will gladly pass along to >anyone who is seriously interested after reading their Web page. > >Dick ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 10:56:48 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: SHughes512@AOL.COM Subject: Indexing Still Images - corrections MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Corrections. American Society of Indexers Chicago/Great Lakes Chapter Fall Meeting -- Nov. 6th, 1999 INDEXING STILL IMAGES In the last 5 years the demand for visual material has skyrocketed and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. This workshop is designed to introduce you into this rapidly changing world. A world which is now opening up for a new breed of indexers. By the end of this workshop you will have a clearer understanding of this new field. Speaker: Mies Martin Saturday November 6th Wyndham Gardens Hotel 5615 N Cumberland Avenue Chicago IL (773-695-5800) Reservations are now being taken for our Fall Meeting. Members Non-members Sept 22-Oct 22 85.00 100.00 Oct 22-Nov 3 100.00 115.00 At the door (seating is limited) 115.00 125.00 Please send registrations to: (and include your choice of Roundtable) and make checks payable to Chicago/Great Lakes Chapter Martha Malnor 185 Walnut St. Elmhurst, IL 60126 The Reservation includes: Continental breakfast, buffet lunch and afternoon refreshments. Roundtable discussions will accompany the buffet lunch. Cancellation Policy: Reservation fees will be refunded for reservations cancelled before November 1st. A $15 processing fee will be deducted from the refund. After November 1st no refunds will be made on cancelled reservations. Notify Martha Malnor at 630-834-3545 if you need to cancel. PRELIMARY AGENDA 8:30 to 9:15 Registration and networking (continental breakfast available) 9:15 to 11:45 Morning program Introduction: - What is Archive Impact (AI)? - What AI has accomplished? - Who is the presenter? - Outline of the workshop itself. Break Still's Indexing: Basic Concepts - Does a picture really say a thousand words? - What is visual Literacy? - Layering of objects or elements of an image 11:45 to 1:15 Lunch and Roundtables 1. "Marketing" 2. "Ask the President"--Sandi Schroeder has graciously volunteered to answer questions about ASI, getting started, etc. (good table for indexers getting started) 1:30 to 4:00 Afternoon program Elements directly and indirectly effecting indexing - Types of visual material being indexed and the scope of the collection - The end needs of your client - The kind or types of indexing software - Time frame within which the work must be accomplished Break: and refreshments. Practice Session: attendees will also work with with sample controlled vocabulary and Indexing Policy at this point. -Break into groups to index Stills (provided by AI) -Discuss the indexing of the Stills Question and Answer session 4:00- Closing remarks and networking. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:40:06 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Virus warning-- Count2K worm virus This is from our company's Tech Services department. The first link is to the Network Associates website, with their description of the virus. Thought you all might like to know... http://vil.nai.com/vil/tro10358.asp Beware Of Virus-Riddled Y2K E-Mail By Lee Kimber, Special To TechWeb Antivirus experts are urging computer users not to open a year 2000 countdown program that comes in the form of an e-mail sent by Microsoft on Tuesday. The e-mail was not sent by Microsoft, and the enclosed attachment is not a Y2K countdown program, but rather a Trojan virus. If users attempt to open the alleged program, the virus can install itself onto the user's computer and then is capable of sending data and information from that system across the Internet. Microsoft did not return calls by publishing deadline time. Antivirus experts at Star Internet, a U.K.-based ISP, along with Network Associates and Sophos, are analyzing the e-mail attachment, called "Y2Kcount.exe." Star has confirmed that the virus, which has been named Count2K, originated in Bulgaria and has also identified some key warning signs. "It makes a lot of socket communications calls," said Star antivirusprogrammer Alex Shipp. "There's also a lot of file handle calls and keyboard handling calls." Shipp said similar to the ExploreZip virus that decimated corporate e-mail systems several months ago, Count2K appears to have the ability to take files from users' systems and send them across the Net. The destination of the files or data has not yet been determined by Star's virus experts. On Wednesday, Network Associates antivirus experts confirmed Shipp's findings. Shipp's analysis has determined -- that like the ExploreZip Trojan virus -- both are written in Pascal. He also said the internal programming of two viruses are very similar. Users who simply open the e-mail but do not attempt to load the Y2K program are in no danger from the virus. Users who try to install the program will see a message saying the Y2K counter was unable to install. It says: "Error!..Password protection error or invalid CRC32!." However, analysis of the program's installation routine shows it already has connected to internal Windows files by the time it displays the error message, Shipp said. "If you see that [message], you think it failed," said Shipp. "By then, it has installed itself." The message first raised eyebrows because of awkward wording that didn't seem like it would come from Microsoft. The accompanying message headers also suggested that the e-mail passed through CompuServe's e-mail system. No valid e-mail from Microsoft should route through CompuServe. Antivirus experts said they are working quickly to develop a Count2K fix. Network Associates confirmed that programmers in their antivirus labs are working on a patch. Sophos has posted a warning on its website <> alerting users that it is working on a patch. Star Internet has already protected its 1,000 U.K. business customers from the Trojan by installing a scanner on its e-mail servers. The scanner looks for the Trojan's unique signature Valerie Petry, MCP NT Enterprise Systems LEXIS-NEXIS Phone: (937)865-6800 x8715 Fax: (937)865-6808 E-mail: valerie.petry@lexis-nexis.com Sharon Wright x7255 Rm. 223 Sharon.Wright@lexis-nexis.com LEXIS Publishing ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:57:25 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Sunderman Subject: Drug name posting - thanks! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I just wanted to thank everyone who so kindly responded to my posting concerning drug name indexing. I'm truly overwhelmed by the help and support I received from everyone both on and off list. I'm busy today getting my ducks in a row for the "grilling" tomorrow (with lots of help from the collective wisdom). Indexers truly are a wonderful group of folks. Thank you all again. - Susan Sunderman ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:13:59 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Deborah Shaw Subject: JOB OP: teaching indexing in NYC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm posting this on behalf of Toni Rachiele, who asked on CE-L if there was > Anyone out there in the New York area who would like to teach a > course in indexing? Respond to me off list and I'll tell you more > about it. > > Toni > > Toni.Rachiele@simonandschuster.com You must live near New York City. You must be both a good indexer and a good teacher. If you qualify on those points, contact Toni directly for more information. Do not contact me or post to Index-L. If you do, you'll be proving that you don't read carefully or follow instructions. However, if you get the job and would like to send me flowers . . . Cheers, Deborah ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:56:41 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Ardith Ayotte, R.T., ABBA Index Services" Subject: Local Indexers in Central Virginia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01BF091A.09579E40" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BF091A.09579E40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0027_01BF091A.09579E40" ------=_NextPart_001_0027_01BF091A.09579E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear List, If any indexers local to F'bg/Richmond/King George area wish to meet = socially, now and then, extra to our D.C. Chapter meetings held in = Maryland, please let me know. Send me your mailing address and phone = number and fax number, please. There are some of us who plan to meet for lunch and share our = experience, thoughts, etc. This is not a business meeting!It is social. = =20 At the quarterly Chapter meetings, which are excellent, there isn't = really this opportunity, as there are presentations, time constraints, = and travel. This would not be formal in any way, just lunch and = conversation and mutual admiration! (ha ha) Sort of a Mutual Admiration = Society. Let me know if you are nearby (within an hour away) so we can meet = centrally. Maybe we will to do this about once a month? Should be fun = and edifying. =20 Please reply off list. Thank you. Ardith Ayotte, R.T. abbaindx@crosslink.net =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0027_01BF091A.09579E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear List,
 
If any indexers local to F'bg/Richmond/King George area  wish = to meet=20 socially, now and then, extra to our D.C. Chapter = meetings held=20 in Maryland, please let me know.  Send me your mailing address and = phone=20 number and fax number, please.
 
There are some of us who plan to meet for lunch and share our = experience,=20 thoughts, etc.  This is not a business meeting!It is social. 
 
At the quarterly Chapter meetings, which are excellent, = there isn't=20 really this opportunity, as there are presentations, time constraints, = and=20 travel.  This would not be formal in any way, just lunch and = conversation=20 and mutual admiration! (ha ha) Sort of a Mutual Admiration = Society.
 
Let me know if you are nearby (within an hour away) so we can meet=20 centrally.   Maybe we will to do this about once a = month? =20 Should be fun and edifying. 
 
Please reply off list. Thank you.
 
Ardith Ayotte, R.T.
abbaindx@crosslink.net
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------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BF091A.09579E40-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:03:26 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Paula C. Durbin-Westby" Subject: Re: Local Indexers in Central Virginia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Local indxers in C Virginia, please send me your email addresses too. Would like to meet anyone working in this area. We are going to plan a get-together soon. Paula Durbin-Westby dwindex@louisa.net 540-967-1388 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 08:28:16 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Danielle Borasky Subject: feedback? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I'd like some opinions from the more experienced among us. I have an opportunity to take my first indexing job, however it seems a bit different than most indexing. It involves creating name indexes for yearbooks. Basically, there's no decisions to make, just tag each name (in pagemaker) and have the software compile the index. Does this seem like a good job for a beginning indexer? Do you think it will provide relevant enough experience for me to get other indexing jobs? How do I charge for this type of work? Thanks in advance! Danielle Borasky ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:25:50 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Diane Brenner Subject: Re: feedback? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hio Danielle, I can't address the pricing information -- my guess is that a per entry price or an hourly rate would be most appropriate here, but don't have enough experience in this particular area to be sure. Regarding the other part of your question, though -- if you have the time, go for it. No experience is wasted -- just being able to show you've met a deadline is a good advertisement; plus you never know what the job might lead to -- a reference; a referral, maybe. Even if it doesn't lead anywhere, you'll be working Getting paid to gain some experience creating accurate entries and compiling an index -- that's usually a good thing. Diane Danielle Borasky wrote: > Hi, > I'd like some opinions from the more experienced among us. I have an > opportunity to take my first indexing job, however it seems a bit > different than most indexing. It involves creating name indexes for > yearbooks. Basically, there's no decisions to make, just tag each name > (in pagemaker) and have the software compile the index. Does this seem > like a good job for a beginning indexer? Do you think it will provide > relevant enough experience for me to get other indexing jobs? How do I > charge for this type of work? > Thanks in advance! > Danielle Borasky ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:23:37 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Paula C. Durbin-Westby" Subject: Re: feedback? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd take it. You are going to get paid, right? It doesn't sound too exciting but it will be a step in the right direction. It might not lead directly to another job but you'll be making some money, getting some experience using your software and so forth. Check disucssions about per-entry rates for an idea of what to charge. Are there a lot of names on each page? etc. Paula Durbin-Westby dwindex@louisa.net ---------- > From: Danielle Borasky > To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU > Subject: feedback? > Date: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 8:28 AM > > Hi, > I'd like some opinions from the more experienced among us. I have an > opportunity to take my first indexing job, however it seems a bit > different than most indexing. It involves creating name indexes for > yearbooks. Basically, there's no decisions to make, just tag each name > (in pagemaker) and have the software compile the index. Does this seem > like a good job for a beginning indexer? Do you think it will provide > relevant enough experience for me to get other indexing jobs? How do I > charge for this type of work? > Thanks in advance! > Danielle Borasky ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:32:05 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Willa MacAllen Subject: Re: feedback? In-Reply-To: <37F0C1DD.A338B37E@javanet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi All >Regarding the other part of your question, though -- if you have the time, >go for it. No experience is wasted -- just being able to show you've met a >deadline is a good advertisement; plus you never know what the job might >lead to -- a reference; a referral, maybe. Even if it doesn't lead >anywhere, you'll be working Getting paid to gain some experience creating >accurate entries and compiling an index -- that's usually a good thing. It can also provide your first reference for future indexing jobs. Getting those references is challenging during the first years of starting a business. My philosophy has been that one can never have too many references when one is looking for work. Willa (finally caught up on sleep after listening and playing Dixieland Jazz music into the wee hours of the nite/morning for two nites in a row at Cardigan Lodge .......) Willa MacAllen Information Organizer MacAllen's Information Services Boston ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 08:50:48 PDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Manjit Sahai Subject: Re: Local Indexers in Central Virginia Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi Paula & Ardith, I live in Sterling, VA. Is it part of Central VA? BTW, my sense of direction is not very good :-) I am also curious to know if both of you are going to have *different* get together. Different means different place and different days...or are both of you talking about the same get together. There were 2 messages posted on Index-L about VA indexers. So I am little confused. Happy indexing! MANJIT K. SAHAI Sterling, VA >From: "Paula C. Durbin-Westby" >Reply-To: "Indexer's Discussion Group" >To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU >Subject: Re: Local Indexers in Central Virginia >Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:03:26 -0400 > >Local indxers in C Virginia, please send me your email addresses too. Would >like to meet anyone working in this area. We are going to plan a >get-together soon. > >Paula Durbin-Westby >dwindex@louisa.net >540-967-1388 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:18:09 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Ardith Ayotte, R.T., ABBA Index Services" Subject: Re: Local Indexers in Central Virginia Comments: cc: "Paula C. Durbin-Westby" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Manjit, At this point, we have about 7 responses, including No. Va. No, Sterling is not Central Virginia, but because we have another responder in No. Va., we probably need to meet in Fredericksburg as the most central place. Would this be too inconvenient? Ardith ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:31:19 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Paula C. Durbin-Westby" Subject: Re: Local Indexers in Central Virginia Comments: To: "Ardith Ayotte, R.T., ABBA Index Services" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been getting responses from as far away as Blacksburg, too, which is about 4 hours from Richmond. Hmm..... what's the exact center of the state? Paula ---------- > From: Ardith Ayotte, R.T., ABBA Index Services > To: Indexer's Discussion Group > Cc: Paula C. Durbin-Westby > Subject: Re: Re: Local Indexers in Central Virginia > Date: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 12:18 PM > > Dear Manjit, > > At this point, we have about 7 responses, including No. Va. No, Sterling is > not Central Virginia, but because we have another responder in No. Va., we > probably need to meet in Fredericksburg as the most central place. > > Would this be too inconvenient? > > Ardith ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:09:17 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Erin Pierce Subject: list removal In-Reply-To: <19990928125215.056f0b2c.in@mail.louisa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please remove me from this list.... I tried the unsubscribe command several times - and have had no luck. Thank you - and sorry for posting to all. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:40:51 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: Local Indexers in Central Virginia Hi, Manjit. I'll chime in here since I'm familiar with both locations (having lived in both Chantilly and Fredericksburg before coming here to Charlottesville). Sterling is usually considered part of Northern Virginia and sometimes included as part of the extended DC area. You're looking at about an hour's drive to get to anywhere near King George or Louisa. Incidentally, all three of you, I'm in Charlottesville and wouldn't mind joining in. Any ideas on where a good central location might be? Fredericksburg seems like a fairly central location, and it certainly has a good selection of restaurants, coffee shops, etc. for getting together! :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Manjit Sahai [SMTP:ramindexing@HOTMAIL.COM] > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 11:51 AM > To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU > Subject: Re: Local Indexers in Central Virginia > > Hi Paula & Ardith, > > I live in Sterling, VA. Is it part of Central VA? BTW, my sense of > direction > is not very good :-) > > I am also curious to know if both of you are going to have *different* get > together. Different means different place and different days...or are both > of you talking about the same get together. There were 2 messages posted > on > Index-L about VA indexers. So I am little confused. > > Happy indexing! > > MANJIT K. SAHAI > Sterling, VA > > > >From: "Paula C. Durbin-Westby" > >Reply-To: "Indexer's Discussion Group" > >To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU > >Subject: Re: Local Indexers in Central Virginia > >Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:03:26 -0400 > > > >Local indxers in C Virginia, please send me your email addresses too. > Would > >like to meet anyone working in this area. We are going to plan a > >get-together soon. > > > >Paula Durbin-Westby > >dwindex@louisa.net > >540-967-1388 > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:58:51 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Skuster Organization: Binghamton University Subject: Re: Local Indexers in Central Virginia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please take this discussion off-list. Thanks. Charlotte Skuster index-l moderator "Paula C. Durbin-Westby" wrote: > I've been getting responses from as far away as Blacksburg, too, which is > about 4 hours from Richmond. Hmm..... what's the exact center of the state? > > Paula > > ---------- > > From: Ardith Ayotte, R.T., ABBA Index Services > > To: Indexer's Discussion Group > > Cc: Paula C. Durbin-Westby > > Subject: Re: Re: Local Indexers in Central Virginia > > Date: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 12:18 PM > > > > Dear Manjit, > > > > At this point, we have about 7 responses, including No. Va. No, Sterling > is > > not Central Virginia, but because we have another responder in No. Va., > we > > probably need to meet in Fredericksburg as the most central place. > > > > Would this be too inconvenient? > > > > Ardith -- Charlotte Skuster Science Reference/Health Science Bibliographer Binghamton University Science Library P. O. Box 6012 Binghamton, NY 13902-6012 Phone: (607) 777-4122 Fax: (607) 777-2274 skuster@binghamton.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:52:59 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Ardith Ayotte, R.T., ABBA Index Services" Subject: Indexing and Speed Reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B4_01BF09B8.C6172020" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01BF09B8.C6172020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear list members, Do any of you speed read in your indexing work? Have you taken a = course, perhaps a self-improvement type home course? If so, please let me know what you recommend, and has this helped you in = your indexing work? 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  ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01BF09B8.C6172020-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:01:13 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: Local Indexers in Central Virginia I remember reading somewhere that geographically, Lynchburg is the center of the state, but that's about 2 to 2 1/2 hours west of Richmond. The Richmond area really is Eastern Virginia, and Blacksburg is definitely Western, no matter how you define it! I think I'm safe in saying that here in Charlottesville, I'm in Central Virginia, but I have no idea what the boundaries would be. > -----Original Message----- > From: Paula C. Durbin-Westby [SMTP:dwindex@LOUISA.NET] > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 1:31 PM > To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU > Subject: Re: Local Indexers in Central Virginia > > I've been getting responses from as far away as Blacksburg, too, which is > about 4 hours from Richmond. Hmm..... what's the exact center of the > state? > > Paula > > ---------- > > From: Ardith Ayotte, R.T., ABBA Index Services > > To: Indexer's Discussion Group > > Cc: Paula C. Durbin-Westby > > Subject: Re: Re: Local Indexers in Central Virginia > > Date: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 12:18 PM > > > > Dear Manjit, > > > > At this point, we have about 7 responses, including No. Va. No, > Sterling > is > > not Central Virginia, but because we have another responder in No. Va., > we > > probably need to meet in Fredericksburg as the most central place. > > > > Would this be too inconvenient? > > > > Ardith ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:35:54 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Conroy Subject: Re: Indexing and Speed Reading Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Do any of you speed read in your indexing work? Have you taken a course, perhaps a self-improvement type home course? > >If so, please let me know what you recommend, and has this helped you in your indexing work? I've never taken an official speed-reading course, but I would imagine that virtually all indexers use some version of "speed reading" to get through the huge quantity of material we must read. I for one almost never read word-for-word, unless I am having a tough time deciding on concepts to index or some other thorny problem. In fact, I frequently don't even read entire paragraphs, once I have decided if they are indexable. I scan for proper names, bold terms, etc., but often don't read even every tenth word in many books. Obviously, there are books that require a much more in-depth approach, but many of my jobs really fit themselves to the "speed reading" method nicely. I would say that anything that speeds up your reading while increasing comprehension or at least maintaining it, cannot help but be useful to you. Sonsie sconroy@slonet.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:36:18 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jan C. Wright" Subject: Re: Indexing and Speed Reading In-Reply-To: <00b701bf09da$4e67a8c0$f0c5fea9@net.crosslink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have never done speed reading, but when I was growing up, we had a reading game machine that sped up my reading speed. You fed a long list of words or phrases into the machine, and it would open and shut a slot showing the word very quickly. You could make it open and close faster, and you graduated to lists with multiple words and longer phrases. It increased the recognition speed. It worked incredibly well, as I read very fast - no idea how fast, but pretty fast. But I read every word -- I am not skimming, just recognizing things quickly. Thanks to my dad who brought it home and worked with me on it! Jan At 01:52 PM 9/28/99 -0400, you wrote: > > Dear list members, > > Do any of you speed read in your indexing work? Have you taken a course, > perhaps a self-improvement type home course? > > If so, please let me know what you recommend, and has this helped you in your > indexing work? > > I viewed a video-book combination self course from the library on speed > reading and it promises great things. Is it worth it? > > Over, Ardith > > =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Wright Information Indexing Services http://www.wrightinformation.com Jancw@wrightinformation.com =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:44:19 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marilyn Flaig Subject: Re: Indexing and Speed Reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have never taken speed reading but over the years I have become adept at scanning the text to follow the argument which is different than reading every word--in scanning you are looking for breaks in the argument--then I go back and scan a second time for names, places, subsidiary subjects etc. Unfortunately this has had a detrimental effect on my pleasure reading as scanning fiction isnt necessarily a good thing. Marilyn ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:45:35 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Wyatt Organization: Keyword Editorial Services Subject: Re: Indexing and Speed Reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have taken a speed reading course, specifically to help with indexing -- screens scrolling ever faster, and all that. It was interesting, and I learnt a few tricks, but no, it didn't help me in my indexing work as much as I expected. The tips and tricks I could have picked up out of a book. I think it must be just a matter of practice. Michael Wyatt Keyword Editorial Services 22 Kendall Street, Surry Hills 2010 Australia Phone 0500 KEYWRD (0500 539 973) Fax (02) 9331 7785 keyword@ozemail.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: Ardith Ayotte, R.T., ABBA Index Services To: INDEX-L@LISTSERV.BINGHAMTON.EDU Sent: Tuesday, 28 September, 1999 10:52 Subject: Indexing and Speed Reading Dear list members, Do any of you speed read in your indexing work? Have you taken a course, perhaps a self-improvement type home course? If so, please let me know what you recommend, and has this helped you in your indexing work? I viewed a video-book combination self course from the library on speed reading and it promises great things. Is it worth it? Over, Ardith ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:09:28 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "larry e. edmonson" Subject: Western New York Chapter Meeting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The fall meeting of the Western New York chapter will be held on October 16, 1999 from 11:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. at the Sherwood Inn in Skaneateles, NY. Newcomers are always welcome. The meeting room is reserved starting at 10:30 a.m., so we can gather for coffee and tea before the meeting starts. The October meeting will be a time for sharing and talking. We'll begin, as we each introduce or reintroduce ourselves, by each revealing the one or two persons we'd most like to meet if we could meet anyone who ever lived. After thus having gained insights into what makes each other tick, we'll engage in a Socratic dialogue examining a case study taken from real-life to explore when an indexer is wise to go along with a publisher's demands and when the indexer should rebel. This is everyday stuff for both in-house staff and contractors. Our discussion will look not only when an indexer should say "No" but also at how an indexer can present his or her position in such a manner as to cement an effective and mutually beneficial working or relationship. In addition to examining questions concerning a Spring 2000 seminar and discussing what took place at this year's ASI national conference, each of us will also reveal one thing or technique in our office or work environment that really works well and that others might not have thought of or used as effectively as possible. General directions: Skaneateles, NY is located southwest of Syracuse on Route 20. From NY Thruway: take the Weedsport exit, follow Route 34S to Auburn then go east on Route 20 for 7 miles to Skaneateles. From the south: Route 81N to Cortland, then Route 41N to Skaneateles Lake then on Route 20 for 1 mile. The Sherwood Inn is located on Genesee Street which is actually Route 20 as it goes through Skaneateles. Look for the large blue building with many windows located across the road from the lake. There is parking in the back or along the street.