Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9905C" ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 07:09:48 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop Subject: INDEX-L Digest - 13 May 1999 to 14 May 1999 Message text written by Charles Anderson: >The one major problem I had with the ZIP drive was >trying to run it with a dongle or as a pass-through to >an HP DeskJet. Once I installed a second parallel port >card just for the ZIP drive, it has never been a problem >again. All -- That's one of three possible solutions to the problem. Another possible solution is to install a SCSI card and purchase a zip drive that= plugs into it. And, of course, there's also the solution I chose which, unlike the other two, did not require installing any additional hardware = : I purchased a zip drive that plugs into the pre-installed USB port on new= er computers. BTW, CompUSA here in Charlotte (and, perhaps, other locations= as well) stocks these zip drives in the Mac section of the store, even th= o' they will work with newer IBM-compatible PCs as well. Happy indexing! .... Lori Lori Lathrop (LoriLathrop@compuserve.com) Lathrop Media Services Web site - http://idt.net/~lathro19 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 13:41:33 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Deason Subject: Indexers Websites I know that this was published on this list previously. Please excuse me because I have lost my copy of a list of indexers website addresses that someone had sent to this list. Does anyone have that list? Thanks! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 10:56:31 PDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Juliana Dotsenko Subject: Re: Non-lawyers & Legal Indexes. >From: Carol Kennedy >Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group >To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > >Subject: Re: Non-lawyers & Legal Indexes. >Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 19:29:20 -0400 > >-----Original Message----- >As I mentioned before, in copyediting law books (of many kinds)> >Carol Kennedy Carol, I'm a lawyer who would rather work at home than practice law. I have several years of editing experience, and I'm actually more interested in copyediting law books than indexing them. Is it difficult to obtain work in this area? Juliana _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 13:09:40 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: klrsak Subject: Sky sort prob This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BE9ED4.30F0DEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hope somone who uses Sky can help me with this - high pressure meeting = deadline due to system breakdown. Problem looks a little like this (same = prob a Cindex user was having a while back): being, 34 Being, 67 being, 78 Being, 99 being,105 Being, 110 This is happening with other words throughout index: instead of entering = the page # after the heading another heading is created. I've also = noticed that when I try too resort with dg and dp it can change the = whole index from Chicago w/w (which I'm using) to ISO w/w. There are no = diffs in entries (that are visible anyway). When this has happened in = the past I've dragged and dropped and was able to alph the entries = correctly. When that didn't work I started over, deleted all entries and = reentered them again - definitely don't have time to do two indexes to = come up with one this time. Have also removed duplicate autoentries, to = no result. Of course, I might simply forget the distinction between a = word in cap and the same in low case, but definition is lost (not to = mention all the subbing to do if the caps are deleted). Any help very much appreciated. Larry lacoG indexing klrsak@oneimage.com ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BE9ED4.30F0DEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BE9ED4.30F0DEE0-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 18:20:52 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Kennedy Subject: Re: Non-lawyers & Legal Indexes. >I'm a lawyer who would rather work at home than practice law. I have >several years of editing experience, and I'm actually more interested in >copyediting law books than indexing them. Is it difficult to obtain work in >this area? Yes, no, maybe! I have moved away from the law-book field in recent years. To the best of my knowledge, the legal publishers continue to use freelancers, but someone else on the list is probably more current on this. Carol Kennedy ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 00:31:34 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John and Kara Pekar Subject: Re: Sky sort prob Try using the command to sort all the "Being" entries as "Beingb" -- the text that shows will still say "Being." In the bottom window of Sky, the entries will look like this: being, 34 {Being|Beingb}, 67 being, 78 {Being|Beingb}, 99 and so forth. They should then sort (in the top window) and print as: being, 34, 78,105 Being, 67, 99,110 This is a very quick fix, since you only have to code one "Being" entry, then drag and drop the coded entry over the other "Being" entries. Good luck! Kara Pekar Wordsmith Indexing Services jkpekar@crosslink.net > Hope somone who uses Sky can help me with this - high pressure meeting = > deadline due to system breakdown. Problem looks a little like this (same = > prob a Cindex user was having a while back): > > being, 34 > Being, 67 > being, 78 > Being, 99 > being,105 > Being, 110 > > This is happening with other words throughout index: instead of entering = > the page # after the heading another heading is created. I've also = > noticed that when I try too resort with dg and dp it can change the = > whole index from Chicago w/w (which I'm using) to ISO w/w. There are no = > diffs in entries (that are visible anyway). When this has happened in = > the past I've dragged and dropped and was able to alph the entries = > correctly. When that didn't work I started over, deleted all entries and = > reentered them again - definitely don't have time to do two indexes to = > come up with one this time. Have also removed duplicate autoentries, to = > no result. Of course, I might simply forget the distinction between a = > word in cap and the same in low case, but definition is lost (not to = > mention all the subbing to do if the caps are deleted). > > Any help very much appreciated. > > Larry > lacoG indexing > klrsak@oneimage.com > > > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BE9ED4.30F0DEE0 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >
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> > ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BE9ED4.30F0DEE0-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 04:02:30 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: klrsak Subject: Re: Sky sort prob Thank-you all for your assistance. You're all absolutely golden, absolutely. Thank-you also, Kamm, for your call. Note: I was having a problem with entries disappearing when I added the braces, whichever way. But after deleting enough entries it seems to be working. Again, a vast thank-you. Larry lacoG indexing klrsak@oneimage.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 12:55:13 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Bonnie Taylor Subject: Any Wordperfect pro's out there? I'm working on a table of cases where I take individual Wordperfect files of footnotes, clean them up, run them through a conversion program, and fix the whole thing into a table in Cindex. I've done more of these things than I can count, but it's been a while since my last one, and I've got a problem in Wordperfect that I can't figure out. It seems to me in the past, the footnote numbers have been just regular text (no special coding making them "real" footnote numbers, in other words). For this one, however, they are definitely coded as footnotes. Ultimately, I save the WP files in ASCII (stripped). If I do this while the note numbers are still coded as notes, they disappear. And as I'm working, if I have to delete a note, all numbers below re-number accordingly. This is not a good thing. :( So far, I've been working around this by cleaning up the notes without touching the numbers. If I have to delete the text of a note, I leave the number intact. Then I start at the bottom and work my way up, deleting each note number and replacing it with a plain text number. There has to be a better way!!! What am I missing? By the way, if anybody has any idea how I could fix this in Word and then import my changes into Wordperfect, that would work for me, too! I just ultimately need to get to this point in Wordperfect: 1 case cite 2 case cite 5 case cite Many thanks! Bonnie Taylor ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 14:17:33 PDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Yves_Fran=E7ois_Jeaurond?= Subject: TOCs at the End (was: chickens and eggs) In-Reply-To: <199905100753.DAA12799@mag1.magmacom.com> Louise Ferguson: Hi. In French publications, the TOC is always at the end--some recent, rare occurences excepted. We produce bilingual manuals. It is always amusing to see clients submitting change requests for 'no TOC found in French manuals'. They don't even bother looking at the end. TOCs are misunderstood. Naive clients view them as authors' outlines: to sort the contents logically. Then clients want detailed TOCs, to help the reader find things. An index works better for this... An index to find things; a TOC to understand them. This gets the clients on their way... There may also be different reading philosophy at work in Europe; a philosophy that assumes the reader may deconstruct the book as he/she pleases, i.e., differently from what the author and editor inte= nd. Mortimer Adler's Great Books project (See "How to Read a Book") exemplifies this: build your own TOC when reading Plato, Hume, novels, plays... and other fictions, as an analytical tool. In that conte= xt Any free, "editorial" TOC would be too general--as a concordance is to an index--for a straw 'general reader'. For general works, how can an editor predict the use one makes of a book's content? Different readers, different TOCs... The same goes for indexing; will readers be historians, students, musicians, mathematicians... (and so on)? Supplying a TOC is then a cheap hand out, best relegated to the end of a work. In fiction, it might even give away the endi= ng... Best to leave it at the end, hmmm? Cordially, Yves Jeaurond jingting@magma.ca *************************************************************************= ** The Jingle Tingle--Hear the sounds you want to hear, today. - bilingual online help design and construction - indexing - editing - technical writing, and - (yes!) jingles 1643 Boyer Road Gloucester, Ontario Canada K1C 3H6 (613) 830-8877; home office ---------- > > Yes, Artola obviously meant a table of contents, but I almost > laughed out loud. > > 'index' is table of contents or library catalogue, > 'thematic index' is table of contents (I'm looking at one right now), > and 'index of subjects' [indice de materias] is also > table of contents (odd that there is no standardisation > in a language with a Royal Academy responsible for keeping > it in good order). And we are left with the terms > 'terminological index' or 'analytical index' to mean > any index that is arranged in alphabetical order (rather than > contents order), of which there are all too few. > > Does anyone know where the habit comes of putting > the table of contents at the back of the book rather than > the front in certain countries, particularly in the southern Med? > This table, which may go on for pages, is seen as being instead of an > index (i.e. renders an index unnecessary), so often no real index > is included. And the idea of leaping straight into a non-fiction text > without any kind of 'content map' strikes me as a little odd. > Why so much resistance to the idea of a 'terminological index' ? > I assume this comes from the essay-writing tradition, with fact books > a relative novelty. > > Louise > > Christine wrote > > Oh dear! But I suspect that Senor Artola meant to refer to a table of > contents, rather than an index. That would make slightly more sense. > > Christine > > Louise Ferguson wrote: > papers yesterday: > <"I now have my next book [in mind], which already has a title, > 'Constitutional Government in History', and an index." > From an interview with Miguel Artola, one of Spain's > top historians. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 17:52:36 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: funny indexing publicity Hi all! I was just reading the "Boyd's Factoids" section of our local Comic News. It's what it says, a list of little factoids: for example, "Some mushrooms are carnivorous." "If computers displace paper as predicted, why are we reportedly using twice as much paper now as we used 10 years ago?" and "Q. What's the plural of 'Sphinx'? A. Sphinges. But what do you need it for? There's only one." Well, in this month's edition, we have the following gem: "If you buy a reference book with an index, odds are that index was produced by a specialist called, unsurprisingly, and 'indexer.' As likely as not, a member of the 'American Society of Indexers' in New York City." I'm going to call them tomorrow and tell them it's not just in New York City! Do Mi ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 15:02:20 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lillian Ashworth Subject: Macrex-based frustrating afternoon Hello all - I am a Macrex user and am experiencing an afternoon of extreme frustration. I've reached the editing stage of my current project wherein lies the difficulty. I can be deep in thought on the index content, type in a change in entry, or possibly an entirely new entry (for this project, sometimes in German which requires painstakingly slow typing), press "enter" and get shot off totally in the wrong direction because I had forgotten which program mode (edit/group/add) I was in at the time. No matter what happens as the result of my pressing "enter", my concentration, focus and wording are lost (unless of course I'm in the correct mode for the change I'm making at the time). Layers upon layers of command structures are causing me a great deal of frustration and detracting from the actual content of my index. I seem unable to keep track of both index content and program mode at the same time. Has anyone else experienced this problem? What did you do to resolve it? Needing some moral support here in Pullman, Lillian Ashworth ashworth@pullman.com who has sent a similar note to the Macrex list ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 16:20:54 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sylvia Coates Subject: Re: Macrex-based frustrating afternoon Dear Lillian, I guess I'd have to say that any problems I've ever had with Macrex are of my own making. I'm indexing about 80 books a year now and couldn't do it without Macrex. If you are unable to keep track of your program mode perhaps you should try doing what I do. I never use the add mode, I add my entries while in the edit mode (Macrex allows you to do this by using F4) and also edit while I'm completing the entries. That way I can see my index structure build as I'm adding the entries. And, I don't have to worry about keeping track of what mode I'm in at any given time. The group mode can be used during the final editing process. Perhaps there are others who can keep track of the different modes while working and switching back and forth, however, I find that using the above method works for me. Perhaps you could try it and see how that works for you. As I said, anytime I've ever had problems with Macrex it's been because of human (mine) error. They will have to pry Macrex out of my cold, dead hands to ever get it away from me! Hope this helps! Best, Sylvia Coates Lillian Ashworth wrote: > Hello all - > > I am a Macrex user and am experiencing an afternoon of extreme frustration. > I've reached the editing stage of my current project wherein lies the > difficulty. > > I can be deep in thought on the index content, type in a change in entry, or > possibly an entirely new entry (for this project, sometimes in German which > requires painstakingly slow typing), press "enter" and get shot off totally > in the wrong direction because I had forgotten which program mode > (edit/group/add) I was in at the time. No matter what happens as the result > of my pressing "enter", my concentration, focus and wording are lost (unless > of course I'm in the correct mode for the change I'm making at the time). > Layers upon layers of command structures are causing me a great deal of > frustration and detracting from the actual content of my index. > > I seem unable to keep track of both index content and program mode at the > same time. > > Has anyone else experienced this problem? What did you do to resolve it? > > Needing some moral support here in Pullman, > > Lillian Ashworth > ashworth@pullman.com > who has sent a similar note to the Macrex list ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 22:24:52 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Macrex-based frustrating afternoon Sylvia wrote: << As I said, anytime I've ever had problems with Macrex it's been because of human (mine) error. They will have to pry Macrex out of my cold, dead hands to ever get it away from me! >> I feel the same way. I also never use add mode (though I know there are some situations in which it's useful). I do need to remember whether, in Edit mode, I'm at the add prompt or the search prompt; I've never had a problem with this. After I'd been learning Macrex for a very short time, I found that it was pretty intuitive, and I love being able to switch back and forth between these two modes. So Lillian, I would recommend that you ditch Add mode and get in the habit of glancing at the bottom of the screen to see whether you're adding or searching. Do Mi ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:23:27 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: panic attack Freakin' out alert. I am freakin' out. I have just learned that a company that owes me $1700 (2 thirds of which is more than 90 days past due!) is about to file for Chapter 11. I just sent my Indy registration and bought my plane ticket with the expectation of payment by that company, and I am absolutely not going to be able to afford it all without this payment. The plane tickets are non-refundable. I am not asking advice or anything, unless someone knows something that will help me win the lottery, I just need some crisis intervention. I fortunately am not working today at my crisis intervention job, because really, I would not be able to listen to other people complaining just at this moment. This is a *serious* financial disaster for me. I have borrowed money from a friend based on getting payment from this company. I also just bought a new car (well, new to me anyway) thinking I was doing OK. Among many other things. If you all think it's appropriate, I'll say the name of the company here. I'd like to know if any of you are in the same boat. Rae Freakin out in Bratt Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric racric ICQ 31476947 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:03:33 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Hughes Stuart Subject: [Notice] Australian Society of Indexers Conference in August: Reg istration details ****** Tasmania in August ******* Dear Indexers and those with an interest in indexing, I am pleased to be able to forward the following announcement for the Australian Society of Indexers Conference. The brochure and registration form are now available as a PDF file on the AusSI website (see the URLs below). Stuart ------------------------------------ The Australian Society of Indexers will hold its Second International Conference at Hobart, Tasmania from Friday 27 to Sunday 29 August 1999 with the theme: The August Indexer The Conference is being designed to address issues relevant to the art of indexing and applications ... local, national, international.: Database indexing Back of the Book indexing Systems for indexing Web indexing Education for indexing Editing / indexing continuum Indexing of Children's literature .... and more The preliminary program and registration brochure is available on the webpage of the Australian Society of Indexers, at: http://www.zeta.org.au/~aussi/events/augustindregn.pdf http://www.zeta.org.au/~aussi/events/conferences.htm --------------------------------------- -- Stuart Hughes Librarian Information Collection and Organisation Cunningham Library Australian Council for Educational Research Melbourne hughes@acer.edu.au http://www.acer.edu.au/library/library.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:39:36 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: homeowner's insurance In-Reply-To: <199905140405.XAA11873@a.mx.execpc.com> Hi, Do Mi. I'm not going to add anything, because everybody said the same things I was going to say. Just wanted to congratulate you on buying a house. That must feel so good. For the record, our insurer didn't care whether I had a home office, and I didn't purchase any additional coverage for my equipment, books, etc. But maybe I should rethink that. I did buy disability insurance, but that has nothing to do with homeowner's ins. Cheers, Carol ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:39:25 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: e-mailing indexes - URGENT In-Reply-To: <199905140405.XAA11873@a.mx.execpc.com> >Kind of interesting that nobody has mentioned the encoding mode for >transmission. My e-mail software allows me to choose among BinHex, >Base64, and UUEncode. If yours or your editor's also allows a choice >that can make a difference. Right. One of the things I routinely ask clients now is what kind of computer they receive their e-mail on. I use Eudora Lite on a Mac. When I send a file to a PC user, I use Apple II encryption of my MS Word file. When I'm sending to a Mac user, I use Binhex instead. Getting the encryption right has worked every time. Except when it hasn't. ;-) But seriously, it works beautifully most of the time. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My indexer@execpc.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer new Web address to come ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:51:37 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Locatelli@AOL.COM Subject: Russian history Dear collective wisdon, I'm working on a book of Russian political memoirs (Gorbachev's), and as my Russian history is a bit rusty, could use some help. (While I don't wish to appear totally ignorant, I'd rather ask the question than get something wrong.) I realize that the political factions prior to the 1917 October revolution were the Bolsheviks (majority) and the Mensheviks (minority). After the revolution, the "Reds" defended the revolution and the "Whites" were anti-Bolsheviks. How are Reds and Bolsheviks related? Are the two groups synonymous? How should they be treated in the index? Bolsheviks (Reds) Reds. See Bolsheviks or Bolsheviks See also Reds Reds See also Bolsheviks Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Fred Leise Between the Lines Indexing and Editorial Services ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:45:46 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John and Kara Pekar Subject: Re: Author indexes; and footnote entries Some while back, there was some discussion of indexing cited authors. One of the strands of this thread was the frustration of having to look up all the author names on the reference pages. I've tried a number of the suggested entry methods, but I thought I'd share, albeit belatedly, the one which works best and most efficiently for me. (I work in SKY, so this method may not necessarily be as quick and easy for users of other programs.) Following Julie Sherman Grayson's excellent suggestion, I skim a chapter, highlighting citations as I go. This gives me an overview of the chapter as well as making the citations stand out, so I don't miss them as I'm concentrating on subject matter. Then I go back and index the content of the chapter. Depending on the number of citations in the chapter, I may choose to enter them as I go, or I may choose to go back for them once the subject matter is in. The former is usually more efficient unless there are a lot of them and the subject matter is complex, in which case entering them later preserves my train of thought as I do the subject index. I code all the citation entries by prefacing the author's name with a symbol (I usually use "#.") This causes them to float to the top of the index, where I can see them easily as a group. The type of citation I see most commonly is (Smith 1989); I enter the name and the date, so as to distinguish authors with the same last name without having to go back to the page on which the citation occurred. (I find that adding the date does not add substantially to the time, especially since if the date is the same, SKY's autofill feature has already typed it for me.) Once I reach the end of the chapter/book, I go through the references, looking at my alphabetical list of "#" entries, and add in the authors' first names. This saves a lot of flipping back and forth. If I need to create a separate author index, I can duplicate my entire index, then quickly eliminate all entries that don't begin with a "#." Whether I am doing a single index or a subject and an author index, I then do a global search and replace to eliminate the "#" symbol, and the names automatically resort in alphabetical order. Of course, if I were doing a book in which the "#" symbol were used as part of a main entry, I would have to choose some other symbol or combination of symbols, or perhaps "aaa" or "zzz" to group the entries together. Regarding footnotes: I've found that highlighting footnote numbers on the same skimming pass eliminates a lot of work, as well. Once the number is highlighted, my eye is less likely to pass over it because I'm focussed on content. When I come across a footnote, I check the note immediately, and index it if necessary. This does require some flipping, but less than leaving them until the end of the chapter entailed! I would be interested to see other indexers' tricks for handling substantive footnotes. Kara Pekar Wordsmith Indexing Services jkpekar@crosslink.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:49:51 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "M. Jessie Barczak" Subject: Re: funny indexing publicity I remember the Pace's Salsa commercial: "New York City???" MJB At 05:52 PM 5/16/99 EDT, you wrote: >Hi all! I was just reading the "Boyd's Factoids" section of our local Comic >News. It's what it says, a list of little factoids: for example, "Some >mushrooms are carnivorous." "If computers displace paper as predicted, why >are we reportedly using twice as much paper now as we used 10 years ago?" and >"Q. What's the plural of 'Sphinx'? A. Sphinges. But what do you need it for? >There's only one." > >Well, in this month's edition, we have the following gem: > >"If you buy a reference book with an index, odds are that index was produced >by a specialist called, unsurprisingly, and 'indexer.' As likely as not, a >member of the 'American Society of Indexers' in New York City." > >I'm going to call them tomorrow and tell them it's not just in New York City! > >Do Mi > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:48:55 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "M. Jessie Barczak" Subject: Re: Any Wordperfect pro's out there? At 12:55 PM 5/16/99 EDT, you wrote: >I'm working on a table of cases where I take individual Wordperfect files of >footnotes, clean them up, run them through a conversion program, and fix the >whole thing into a table in Cindex. I've done more of these things than I can >count, but it's been a while since my last one, and I've got a problem in >Wordperfect that I can't figure out. > >It seems to me in the past, the footnote numbers have been just regular text >(no special coding making them "real" footnote numbers, in other words). For >this one, however, they are definitely coded as footnotes. > > Ultimately, I save the WP files in ASCII (stripped). If I do this while the >note numbers are still coded as notes, they disappear. And as I'm working, if >I have to delete a note, all numbers below re-number accordingly. This is not >a good thing. :( > >So far, I've been working around this by cleaning up the notes without >touching the numbers. If I have to delete the text of a note, I leave the >number intact. Then I start at the bottom and work my way up, deleting each >note number and replacing it with a plain text number. There has to be a >better way!!! What am I missing? > >By the way, if anybody has any idea how I could fix this in Word and then >import my changes into Wordperfect, that would work for me, too! I just >ultimately need to get to this point in Wordperfect: > >1 case cite >2 case cite >5 case cite > >Many thanks! > >Bonnie Taylor > > "The bane of my existence is doing things that I know the computer could do for me." Dan Connolly, "The XML Revolution" (1 Oct. 1998) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:38:33 +1000 Reply-To: diagonal@hermes.net.au Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey and Glenda Browne Subject: Re: Indexers Websites (and WebRing) In-Reply-To: I don't have this list, but a good place to start would be the Indexers' WebRing at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4537/indxr.html . I mentioned the ring in the latest AusSI Newsletter, and Kerry Webb who writes an Internet section in our library association's newsletter inCite reported this and added: "which further led me to RolyBear's Online Resources for Indexers at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4537/isigrsc.html. There is a lot of good stuff there." Glenda. > I know that this was published on this list previously. Please excuse me > because I have lost my copy of a list of indexers website addresses that > someone had sent to this list. Does anyone have that list? > Thanks! > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:04:43 +0100 Reply-To: jsampson@indexes.u-net.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "J.R. Sampson" Subject: Re: Modes (Macrex-based frustrating afternoon) In-Reply-To: There is a similar thing with Cindex. Sometimes I copy an entry intending to modify it to make a new entry. However, instead of copying it I accidentally overwrite it. This means going to the backup file to restore the original entry. It is a pain in the neck, but I don't know of a solution to it. Regular and frequent backing up is necessary anyway, and certainly because of this. Regards _John Sampson_ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 22:24:52 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Macrex-based frustrating afternoon Sylvia wrote: << As I said, anytime I've ever had problems with Macrex it's been because of human (mine) error. They will have to pry Macrex out of my cold, dead hands to ever get it away from me! >> I feel the same way. I also never use add mode (though I know there are some situations in which it's useful). I do need to remember whether, in Edit mode, I'm at the add prompt or the search prompt; I've never had a problem with this. After I'd been learning Macrex for a very short time, I found that it was pretty intuitive, and I love being able to switch back and forth between these two modes. So Lillian, I would recommend that you ditch Add mode and get in the habit of glancing at the bottom of the screen to see whether you're adding or searching. Do Mi ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 10:00:18 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: marvant duhon Subject: Re: Russian history In-Reply-To: <199905181407.JAA12899@shooter.bluemarble.net> The Bolsheviks (men of the majority) and Mensheviks (men of the minority) were members of the pre-revolution communist party, so called because on a critical vote (whether to promote a violent revolution in Russia) the Bolsheviks won by one vote. Some of the Mensheviks were gradualists, but most considered violent revolution in an industrialized country like Germany to be more dialectically correct (as it certainly was) and strategically savvy (there were uprisings in Germany starting in 1918 which many Mensheviks participated in; unfortunately they contributed to the rise of Hitler). Lenin named his faction the Bolsheviks to discredit the others, and to indicate that the issue was now decided (when the vote had previously gone against him, he did not consider himself a Menshivik). All Bolsheviks became Reds, and most of the leading Reds until the 1950's had been Bolsheviks, but most Reds in the Civil War had not been Bolsheviks. When they took over Moscow in 1918, they had only a few hundred fighters and held most important points with only two men and a machine gun. President Kerenski, who had been chosen to lead a democratic government after the Czar abdicated, ordered no bloodshed, so the Bolshies won. Whites included large factions of Czarists, military leaders of several political persuasions, and dissident leftists like anarchists (but not many Mensheviks, many of whom were now Reds), and also prodemocratic forces (who far outnumbered the Reds but thought that they should not fight), conquered nationalities (some of whom, like the Finns, got free), and those (eg peasants) whom the Reds had decided to shoot or starve for some reason. Best, Marvant ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 11:46:15 +0000 Reply-To: connolly@neca.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dan Connolly Organization: Word For Word Indexing and Editing Services Subject: Re: Author indexes; and footnote entries John and Kara Pekar wrote: > > Some while back, there was some discussion of indexing cited authors. One > of the strands of this thread was the frustration of having to look up all > the author names on the reference pages. I've tried a number of the > suggested entry methods, but I thought I'd share, albeit belatedly, the one > which works best and most efficiently for me. (I work in SKY, so this > method may not necessarily be as quick and easy for users of other > programs.) Kara, Thanks for sharing your methodology. I recently completed my first author index for a textbook and felt the process went well. Here's what I did. I asked for and received the reference list on disk. The typesetter sent it to me (after being asked to send it by the packager). When I spoke to her later to thank her for sending it, she indicated that no one had ever asked her for it before. I then took the file and ran a quick macro so that I had only the following for each entry: Smith, J., Jones, C., & Jones, M. (1998) [tab] Ref I then imported these into Cindex so that the names and date were in the Main head and the word "Ref" was in the Page field. To this point, I have spent 10 minutes and have all references in their own records. I did some compression of records to eliminate duplicates. I then entered the previously marked citations in a couple big sessions. After entering all citations, I had to get the material from this format: Smith, J., Jones, C., & Jones, M. (1998) 23, 45, 134, 367 to this: Smith, J. 23, 45, 134, 367 Jones, C. 23, 45, 134, 367 Jones, M. 23, 45, 134, 367 By doing "cut" and "duplicate record" (of other names and date), I was able to achieve this. So I would cut Jones, C., & Jones, M. from the record, then duplicate. Paste Jones, C., & Jones, M. over Smith, J.. Then I would cut Jones, M. from that record, duplicate and paste over Jones, C. It all sounds complicated but was pretty automatic. There was some find and replace of commas and ampersands, but this was nearly instantaneous. And there was the usual confusion with initials and such (e.g., Jones, C. and Jones, C. J.). The big time-saver, of course, was getting the references on disk (think of all the typing). I did 2000 entries, 3600 page references in about 15 hours. I don't know how this compares with others, but I'd be interested to know if this is about right, fast or slow. Anyway, I plan to always ask for the refs on disk if I can get them. Dan -- ============================= Daniel A. Connolly mailto:connolly@neca.com Word For Word Indexing Services http://www.wfwIndex.necaweb.com Woodstock, CT, USA ============================= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:32:26 -0700 Reply-To: nkoenig Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: nkoenig Subject: Re: Russian history I'm afraid more factions were involved, in particular the Socialist Revolutionaries (SRs). Kerensky, whom the Bolsheviks overthrew, was a Right SR. Many Left SRs supported the Bolsheviks and I think some even in the government in the early days. Later on, they were "absorbed" into the Communist Party. The Bolsheviks were a faction of the Social Democratic Party as were the Mensheviks. Eventually, the Bolsheviks became the Communist Party. The Bolsheviks, then, are a political group/party. The terms "Reds" and "Whites" often refers to the opposing sides in the civil war that broke out after the Bolsheviks' coup in 1917. Representatives of many political factions fought for or against the Bolshevik government, so these terms are much broader than "Bolshevik." Many Mensheviks and Left SRs, for example, fought with the Reds. Similarly, various conservative factions supported the Whites. So, your second strategy shows more promise. I don't have the text, however, and the term "Reds" can change reference depending on the writer, and, I dare say, speaker. Nick Koenig >I realize that the political factions prior to the 1917 October revolution >were the Bolsheviks (majority) and the Mensheviks (minority). After the >revolution, the "Reds" defended the revolution and the "Whites" were >anti-Bolsheviks. How are Reds and Bolsheviks related? Are the two groups >synonymous? How should they be treated in the index? > >Bolsheviks (Reds) >Reds. See Bolsheviks > >or > >Bolsheviks > See also Reds >Reds > See also Bolsheviks > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:12:07 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Judith W. Kip" Subject: panic attack Rachel, I'd look into some kind of professional legal help -- though I imagine that's not cheap. About four years ago I had a client go into Chapter II. At irregular intervals I still receive forms and documents from the bankrupt= cy court though I never expect to get the money they owe me. (I was lucky = it was a very small amount.) They have creditors to whom they owe lots of money and some seem to have petitioned the court multiple times. The publisher continued to operate and pay its staff while in Chapter 11 and I even did some indexes for them as they reorganized. = (This I did partly because the editor was very honest with me -- called t= he minute she knew they were going into Chapter II and told me exactly how payment would work in the future.) They were required to pay all supplier= s immediately for new work - and did. The publisher has since stopped creating books, though I hear they still maintain an office. But from the papers I get from the court, I judge that I will never see the money they owed me at the time of the bankruptcy and if = they had owed me lots of money I probably would have looked for professional help in getting some portion of what I was owed and in understanding the documents that same to me. = Judy Kip ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 12:14:17 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sandi Schroeder Subject: Indianapolis Hotel Space I just received a call from the reservation department at the Crowne Plaza telling me that they had 13 rooms open up for the 9th of June. If you already have a reservation for the 10 and call the hotel directly, they will honor the $99 rate. The number to call is 317-631-2221. Sandi Schroeder Vice President, ASI ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 10:41:59 LCL Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Brackney Subject: Re: Macrex-based frustrating afternoon In-Reply-To: <199905162204.PAA03245@nccn.net> At 03:02 PM 5/16/99 -0700, Lillian Ashworth wrote: >Hello all - > >I am a Macrex user and am experiencing an afternoon of extreme frustration. >I've reached the editing stage of my current project wherein lies the >difficulty. > >I can be deep in thought on the index content, type in a change in entry, or >possibly an entirely new entry (for this project, sometimes in German which >requires painstakingly slow typing), press "enter" and get shot off totally >in the wrong direction because I had forgotten which program mode >(edit/group/add) I was in at the time. No matter what happens as the result >of my pressing "enter", my concentration, focus and wording are lost (unless >of course I'm in the correct mode for the change I'm making at the time). >Layers upon layers of command structures are causing me a great deal of >frustration and detracting from the actual content of my index. > >I seem unable to keep track of both index content and program mode at the >same time. > >Has anyone else experienced this problem? What did you do to resolve it? > >Needing some moral support here in Pullman, Lillian, your statement about having reached the editing stage of your project and your characterization of program mode as "edit/group/add" suggest that you may be working and experiencing trouble not in Macrex's "Add only" mode (which, non-Macrex users, displays your entries in the order in which you create them) but in "add, Inspect, and edit" mode (which displays your entries in alphabetical order), but if you _are_ working in "Add only" mode in the editing stage, then it surely is time you switched, as both Sylvia and Do Mi suggested. The only troublesome program mode--related problem I've encountered in "add, Inspect, and edit" mode is the one of forgetting to switch to the add prompt before adding an entry and trying to add it at the search prompt or the group prompt instead. As you say, it can be frustrating to type in a long, complicated entry and hit only to be told that your entry is "not found". The only way to avoid this problem in Macrex as of now, is, as Do Mi suggested, to train yourself to notice what mode of "add, Inspect, and edit" mode you're working in. Having been pushed to do this myself out of frustrating experiences similar to yours, I'm glad I can say that I rarely encounter this problem any more. Moreover, I'm very glad I can report that Drusilla has told us that won't have to be concerned about this in the next verson of Macrex: after getting the unwelcome "not found" message we'll have the option of switching over immediately to the add mode of "add, Inspect, and edit" mode and thereby of entering our newly typed in but formerly to be lost entries at the same time. Michael Brackney Indexing Service 134 Kathleen Way Grass Valley, CA 95945 530-272-7088 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:28:24 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elliot Linzer Subject: Re: panic attack Regarding Rachel Rice's panic attack over a client filing Chapter 11 bankruptcy: NAME THE COMPANY, DAMNIT!!! If you were informed by the company or their lawyers, the bankruptcy is a FACT. There is no reason for holding back on it. Others may be in the same situation. Nobody will sue you for liable for stating that company XYZ, Inc. is filing Chapter 11. | Elliot Linzer | 43-05 Crommelin Street | Flushing, New York 11355 | (718) 353-1261 | elinzer@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:47:59 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Paula C. Durbin-Westby" Subject: Name index question I'm working on a "proper noun" index for a long book. The editor wants names, places, and organizations. The first 300 pages are about the Soviet Union. I haven't used a heading "Soviet Union" because I'd end up with "Soviet Union: 1-300." The second half of the book is about other countries, most of which do need their own entry as they are discussed on a few pages here and there. In the 2nd half of the book, the Soviet Union is also discussed as it relates to these other countries. So now I have entries for Soviet Union starting after page 300 but none before. It looks weird to me. In addition to my woes, the editor wants me to use "passim" for many of the entries to reduce the inevitable string of locators to a somewhat more manageable size. We don't want subentries in this name index, hence the long list of locators. I'm just hoping it doesn't get selected by "The Indexer" for the "Censure" department! What would you do in this situation? I can either make up some sort of all-inclusive locator for pages 1-300 or use some sort of headnote (what would this be?) I can't say 1-300 "passim" as on these pages the Soviet Union IS on every page. I thought of using some sort of cross reference to the organizations and people listed in the Soviet Union chapters but that seems imprecise. What is the collective wisdom on this one? Paula C. Durbin-Westby dwindex@louisa.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:28:48 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: Re: panic attack In-Reply-To: <92705293701@voyager.together.net> They haven't filed yet, I was told they were either going to merge with a larger publisher, or failing that, file Chap. 11. I was not told to keep this info to myself, and so I think it's OK to name them, but I'd like to hear from some of our lawyer/indexers before I do so. I'd also like to know what to if they do in fact file. Rae >Regarding Rachel Rice's panic attack over a client filing Chapter 11 >bankruptcy: >NAME THE COMPANY, DAMNIT!!! >If you were informed by the company or their lawyers, the bankruptcy is a >FACT. There is no reason for holding back on it. Others may be in the >same situation. Nobody will sue you for liable for stating that company >XYZ, Inc. is filing Chapter 11. > > >| Elliot Linzer >| 43-05 Crommelin Street >| Flushing, New York 11355 >| (718) 353-1261 >| elinzer@juno.com > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric racric ICQ 31476947 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 12:43:23 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sylvia Coates Subject: Re: Name index question Dear Paula, I just did a similar project for a scholarly press a couple of weeks ago. However, I was able to talk the editor into allowing me to use sub entries. It worked out quite well. The subject was on women in the Roman Catholic Church from medieval times down to the 19th century so it was very complex as you can imagine. Being able to use sub entries when necessary really helped me to put together a viable index. Why don't you try speaking to the editor about using sub entries when the page references get to be too long. Also, under the circumstances, you could do slightly larger page ranges than usual for the sub entries to keep the sub entries under Soviet Union manageable. By the way, feel free to tell the editor that I did this for Harvard just in case that helps to convince her or him that it's a viable option. Good luck! Best, Sylvia "Paula C. Durbin-Westby" wrote: > I'm working on a "proper noun" index for a long book. The editor wants > names, places, and organizations. The first 300 pages are about the Soviet > Union. I haven't used a heading "Soviet Union" because I'd end up with > "Soviet Union: 1-300." The second half of the book is about other > countries, most of which do need their own entry as they are discussed on a > few pages here and there. In the 2nd half of the book, the Soviet Union is > also discussed as it relates to these other countries. So now I have > entries for Soviet Union starting after page 300 but none before. It looks > weird to me. > > In addition to my woes, the editor wants me to use "passim" for many of the > entries to reduce the inevitable string of locators to a somewhat more > manageable size. We don't want subentries in this name index, hence the > long list of locators. I'm just hoping it doesn't get selected by "The > Indexer" for the "Censure" department! > > What would you do in this situation? I can either make up some sort of > all-inclusive locator for pages 1-300 or use some sort of headnote (what > would this be?) I can't say 1-300 "passim" as on these pages the Soviet > Union IS on every page. I thought of using some sort of cross reference to > the organizations and people listed in the Soviet Union chapters but that > seems imprecise. > > What is the collective wisdom on this one? > > Paula C. Durbin-Westby > dwindex@louisa.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 12:49:04 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sylvia Coates Subject: Re: panic attack Dear Rachel, It's neither slander nor libel to make factual statements. And it is factual for you to report that such and such company has not paid you and has indicated that they may not be able to make payment to you regardless of whatever reason. It's not necessary for you to say anything else, nor are you under any legal obligation, unless you've signed a confidentiality statement, to remain silent. My son is a lawyer and I asked him about it. Best, Sylvia Coates Rachel Rice wrote: > They haven't filed yet, I was told they were either going to merge with a > larger publisher, or failing that, file Chap. 11. I was not told to keep > this info to myself, and so I think it's OK to name them, but I'd like to > hear from some of our lawyer/indexers before I do so. I'd also like to know > what to if they do in fact file. > > Rae > > >Regarding Rachel Rice's panic attack over a client filing Chapter 11 > >bankruptcy: > >NAME THE COMPANY, DAMNIT!!! > >If you were informed by the company or their lawyers, the bankruptcy is a > >FACT. There is no reason for holding back on it. Others may be in the > >same situation. Nobody will sue you for liable for stating that company > >XYZ, Inc. is filing Chapter 11. > > > > > >| Elliot Linzer > >| 43-05 Crommelin Street > >| Flushing, New York 11355 > >| (718) 353-1261 > >| elinzer@juno.com > > > >___________________________________________________________________ > >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > Rachel Rice > Directions Unlimited Desktop Services > Indexing, editing, proofreading > http://homepages.together.net/~racric > racric ICQ 31476947 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:48:42 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: panic attack Ok, BIG DISCLAIMER: I DON'T KNOW WHAT JURISDICTION YOU'RE IN, BUT CHANCES ARE I'M NOT LICENSED TO PRACTICE LAW THERE, SO DO NOT TAKE THIS AS LEGAL ADVICE!! That having been said, I don't believe that you can get into trouble for revealing the name of the company who has informed you that they are preparing to file Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Such filings are considered public records, and in fact, there is even an online database to track them on the web, if you are so inclined. I would feel free to disseminate the name. Secondly, I have never dealt with Chapter 11 bankruptcy, and it is very complex, but I'm not sure that the company can write off debts as easily (hah!) as people can under, say, a Chapter 7 bankruptcy. If I understand it correctly (and that's a big "if"), the filing stops collection actions by creditors, etc., but it doesn't dismiss the debts. The company is still supposed to pay them. However, you may have to register your debt with the bankruptcy court. You should get a notice and instructions on how to do that once the company files. You really should talk to a bankruptcy attorney who handles Chapter 11 cases (be sure to specify that-- most general practice attorneys only handle Chapter 7 and Chapter 13, which are individual, not corporate, proceedings). Your other option would be to call your local bankruptcy court (it should be in the phone book under U.S. Courts, Bankruptcy Court, Federal Courts, or something similar). The clerks there can be extremely helpful and very nice, and while they will probably not answer your questions directly, they can certainly tell you where to get your answers, and may even direct you to the trustee handling that company's case. Finally, on a personal note, wow, this sucks. I wish I could give you hope, but the reality is that you will probably not get your money any time soon. Chapter 11 payout plans can go on for at least five years and possibly longer, as someone else who has posted already has discovered to their dismay. You should contact the trustee as soon as you know for certain that the petition has been filed to see what you need to do to register as a creditor and protect your rights. Another reason for publicizing the name of the company: Even after filing, the company can amend their petition and add creditors to the list. Anyone who is contemplating doing business with this company should be on notice that they should make special arrangements to get paid. Good luck, and I'm really sorry to hear that you're having to deal with this. -- Sharon W. Sharon.Wright@Lexis-Nexis.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Rachel Rice [SMTP:racric@TOGETHER.NET] > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 3:29 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: panic attack > > They haven't filed yet, I was told they were either going to merge with a > larger publisher, or failing that, file Chap. 11. I was not told to keep > this info to myself, and so I think it's OK to name them, but I'd like to > hear from some of our lawyer/indexers before I do so. I'd also like to > know > what to if they do in fact file. > > Rae > > >Regarding Rachel Rice's panic attack over a client filing Chapter 11 > >bankruptcy: > >NAME THE COMPANY, DAMNIT!!! > >If you were informed by the company or their lawyers, the bankruptcy is a > >FACT. There is no reason for holding back on it. Others may be in the > >same situation. Nobody will sue you for liable for stating that company > >XYZ, Inc. is filing Chapter 11. > > > > > >| Elliot Linzer > >| 43-05 Crommelin Street > >| Flushing, New York 11355 > >| (718) 353-1261 > >| elinzer@juno.com > > > >___________________________________________________________________ > >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > Rachel Rice > Directions Unlimited Desktop Services > Indexing, editing, proofreading > http://homepages.together.net/~racric > racric ICQ 31476947 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:56:11 +0100 Reply-To: jsampson@indexes.u-net.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "J.R. Sampson" Subject: Re: e-mailing indexes - URGENT In-Reply-To: I have not had the dubious pleasure of emailing indexes so far, but I am wondering why not send RTF files without the need for encryption. This would also avoid any possibility of transmitting a Word virus unwittingly. Regards _John Sampson_ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 12:55:59 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pam Rider Subject: Re: Name index question In-Reply-To: <199905181935.MAA18248@decibel.electriciti.com> Paula is faced with a thorny situation. If I could not appeal the "no subentry" rule at least for Russia (there's no Soviet Union any more--or is this history?), I would have entries such as Ballet, Bolshoi, Russia Bolshoi Ballet, Russia Berliner Ensemble, Germany Mainly. I believe the no subentry rule is a disservice to index users. Pam Rider Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth prider@electriciti.com prider@tsktsk.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 12:59:47 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pam Rider Subject: Re: panic attack In-Reply-To: <199905181941.MAA18442@decibel.electriciti.com> I think anyone who mentions a rumored buyout or Chapter 11 risks legal prosecution. There's some danger that the hosts of the Index-L list might also be subject to liability. I ***strongly*** suggest that people who want this rumored information contact the source directly and that the information be distributed privately, if at all. I am not an attorney, but was well-schooled in libel law. Pam Rider Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth prider@electriciti.com prider@tsktsk.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:35:05 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lillian Ashworth Subject: Macrex-based frustration ebbing My thanks to all who answered my note. Michael Brackney came the closest to identifying the frustration I was experiencing on Sunday: >The only troublesome program mode--related problem I've encountered in >"add, Inspect, and edit" mode is the one of forgetting to switch to the add >prompt before adding an entry and trying to add it at the search prompt or >the group prompt instead. As you say, it can be frustrating to type in a >long, complicated entry and hit only to be told that your entry is >"not found". Yes, I was indeed in the add/inspect/edit mode. The problem that I kept coming up with was forgetting to switch to the add prompt before typing an entry, then getting the "not found" error message, then typing the F1 function key and getting slammed out to the main menu, totally shattering my concentration. This happened repeatedly. And, since I had added the "group" function/mode, it added another layer of Macrex program code which made it even more difficult to get back to where my original train of thought had begun in the first place. I tend to use the "group" function frequently and switch to different groupings, but the change I am trying to make at the end of my thought process may not have been included in the final grouping itself, so I have to start the entire sequence over again, all the while trying to remember the wording I'd come up with, but entered at the wrong prompt. I'm guessing that one of the problems is not having enough steady work to be able to develop a routine. I've found that when I do have back-to-back projects, the second one always runs more smoothly than the first. As to looking at the screen -- yes, I am looking at the screen all the time. But when I'm totally focused on the index content, the lighter (or darker) shading of screen lines doesn't register in my brain; neither do the tag lines on the bottom of the screen. Another problem related to all of these is accidentally pressing "esc" instead of F1 --again when concentrating on content and not process. This can have disastrous results in wiping out an entire line. Again, totally blown concentration, as the only way to find the line again is to pull up a back-up copy in a different software program. I'm running on 8 mg RAM and have had the problem of the program simply dropping 100 lines of index copy when I tried to use a custom format file. To safeguard against that I can't run anything more than Macrex at the same time, so if I need to pull up a file in Word, I have to leave the program entirely or risk random loss of index entries. (This is not a fun thing!) And I do all formatting on a second, temporary copy of my original index. I do make frequent back-ups for just this reason. Glad to hear that some of this may soon be fixed as it has caused me a lot of anguish. Thx again to all who answered and especially to Sylvia Coates who took time out of a very busy schedule to answer me offlist. Lillian Ashworth ashworth@pullman.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:29:15 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lillian Ashworth Subject: Macrex-Frustration ebbing redux My thanks again to all who responded to my original note. A number of the people responding indicated that they don't work in the "add" mode of Macrex and that I should get used to not working in it. At the same time, many of you also (presumably) use keywords. How do you enter then *without* using the "Add" mode? I just tried to do one as a test in add/inspect/edit , typing in the "#' and "*" symbols then running the combine sort/merge --nothing happened. I deleted that "keyword" and tried to enter a second one. Interestingly, the stubborn "delete" message remained, even though I was not in Add mode and had autosort turned on and had use the combined sort/merge function. Is this the way it's supposed to work or do I have an unusally quirky version of the program itself? Lillian ashworth@pullman.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:44:08 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: EMickiT@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Author indexes; and footnote entries In a message dated 5/18/1999 10:48:06 AM Central Daylight Time, connolly@neca.com writes: << I asked for and received the reference list on disk.... I did 2000 entries, 3600 page references in about 15 hours. I don't know how this compares with others, but I'd be interested to know if this is about right, fast or slow. Anyway, I plan to always ask for the refs on disk if I can get them. >> Dan, I used a method somewhat similar to yours once. Given our books were not identical, making it hard to judge, 15 hours seems good. I indexed a second edition with a separate name index. Only the last few chapters had significant changes, so I scanned the name index into a wordprocessor file. I set it up to convert to a database type format using the Find and Replace features to change Jones, C., 234 to "Jones, C.","234#" by changing the sequence period comma space to quote comma quote, then changing the hard return to # quote hard return quote, then adding quotation marks at the beginning and ending of the file. Save as ASCII text file and import into Cindex. As I added correct page numbers, I removed the #. At the end, I asked Cindex to group all the entries with #, and deleted them, as those authors were not cited in this edition. (Similar to Kara Pekar's method.) Soon after I started entering page numbers, I realized that it would be more efficient to search the bibliography on disk, rather than flipping through pages to make sure I had the correct Jones. The typesetter e-mailed it to me and everything went smoothly. Next time I will use Dan's method and ask for the references on disk right up front. It should have the added advantage of reducing spelling errors produced by scanning, although I was impressed by the OCR program's accuracy. A big advantage to having the refs on disk, would be Dan's system of entering page numbers: <> Good idea, Dan! Erin (Micki) Taylor 1313 23rd Road Kanopolis, Kansas 67454 785-472-3912 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:32:59 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rachel Rice Subject: Re: panic attack In-Reply-To: <92705703301@voyager.together.net> Well, I trust your son, but I have decided to go with Pam's advice right or wrong, as it's better to err on the side of safety. If any of you want the name of the company you can email me privately. I was told at the outset that they paid at 90 days, so at 90 days I started calling to see what was going on, and was told I'd get paid in the next two weeks, which would have been last week, so I called again this morning and learned about their state of affairs. I have enjoyed their books and had gotten enough work that I thought the 90 days thing would end up OK once I got a good cash flow going. There was no way to foresee this. I'm over the panic now and philosophical. There is still hope that they might decide to pay their freelancers and employees before doing whatever they're going to do, but I think I should not count on it. I have been feeling worse for hte people who work there who might not have jobs on Monday, and who by now I consider friends. They're far worse off than I am. I still have a full time job and other payments for indexes are still due. It was just a huge shock. My dad has offered to help out with Indianapolis expenses, so that was my worst panic alleviated. Thanks to all of you for your support as always. Rae >Dear Rachel, > >It's neither slander nor libel to make factual statements. And it is factual >for you to report that such and such company has not paid you and has >indicated >that they may not be able to make payment to you regardless of whatever >reason. >It's not necessary for you to say anything else, nor are you under any legal >obligation, unless you've signed a confidentiality statement, to remain >silent. > >My son is a lawyer and I asked him about it. > Rachel Rice Directions Unlimited Desktop Services Indexing, editing, proofreading http://homepages.together.net/~racric racric ICQ 31476947 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:57:15 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Locatelli@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Name index question You might want to consider a headnote on the order of: "The Soviet Union is discussed in the first part of this book, pages 1-300, as well as on those pages listed in the index." Or, just put 1-300 as a locator. It may look weird and doesn't help readers with specifics, but at least alerts them to where the bulk of the information is. Fred Leise Between the Lines Indexing and Editorial Services In a message dated 99-05-18 15:26:25 EDT, dwindex@louisa.net writes: > I'm working on a "proper noun" index for a long book. The editor wants > names, places, and organizations. The first 300 pages are about the Soviet > Union. I haven't used a heading "Soviet Union" because I'd end up with > "Soviet Union: 1-300." The second half of the book is about other > countries, most of which do need their own entry as they are discussed on a > few pages here and there. In the 2nd half of the book, the Soviet Union is > also discussed as it relates to these other countries. So now I have > entries for Soviet Union starting after page 300 but none before. It looks > weird to me. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:01:04 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Back Words Indexing Subject: Cooking Light index Whoever did the index to the annual book (1999, in this case) of the previous year's recipes, THANK YOU. I can find a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g in it, and quickly. It even helps the creative process when I just don't know what I want to try next. THAT is a goood cookbook index. Martha BWI ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 22:36:52 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marlene London Subject: E-MAILING INDEXES Many thanks to Karen Field, Deborah Shaw, Advantage Media Solutions, Debra Graf, Craig Brown, Carol Roberts, J. R. Sampson, and Michael Olason for your advice. I managed to successfully e-mail my index as an attached .doc file in MS Word. Although I passed all of your hints on to my editor, I really don't know what did the trick. But he's happy, and so am I. Now I'm ensconced in the next project. You're the best! Marlene London Profindex@worldnet.att.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 22:54:32 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Victoria Baker Subject: Re: Macrex-Frustration ebbing redux In-Reply-To: <199905182130.OAA03231@mail.mcn.org> Lillian wrote: >I just tried to do one as a test in add/inspect/edit , typing in the "#' >and "*" symbols then running the combine sort/merge --nothing happened. I >deleted that "keyword" and tried to enter a second one. Interestingly, the >stubborn "delete" message remained, even though I was not in Add mode and >had autosort turned on and had use the combined sort/merge function. If you press F4 when in Add/inspect/edit mode, that puts you in the add module. You can then write keywords just as in the Add-only mode: start by pressing ctrl-A. I memorized that by keeping in mind that keywords are always written in Add. Oh... a plug. Gale Rhoades offers Macrex workshops at the annual conference. I plan to attend her workshop every year I go to the conference, because I pick up so many tips about using the software. My productivity definitely increases in response. Hope to see you there this year! Sign me, a happy Macrex user ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 00:32:26 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lillian Ashworth Subject: Re: Macrex-Frustration ebbing redux Hi Victoria - Thx for sending the note and the hint on using ctrl-A and F4. Must have missed that one somewhere!. I much prefer working in add/inspect/edit mode. I do use the add mode if I have a number of entries that I'm just typing without doing much thinking about them. I recently indexed a natural sciences journal that was pretty much straight classification work. Using the Add mode for that since the titles were long and using keywords for the subject part of the index made it go really fast. But, now with your tip, it will probably go even faster in add/edit/inspect next year. Unfortunately, I can't afford the trip to the conference. Hope it is a good one. Tried to make it to Seattle last year but was unable to --rather like Rae --a big job I had hoped would pay my way to the conference (and buy a new computer) fell apart several months before the meetings. Thx again --enjoy the meetings- Lillian ashworth@pullman.com >Lillian wrote: >>I just tried to do one as a test in add/inspect/edit , typing in the "#' >>and "*" symbols then running the combine sort/merge --nothing happened. I >>deleted that "keyword" and tried to enter a second one. Interestingly, the >>stubborn "delete" message remained, even though I was not in Add mode and >>had autosort turned on and had use the combined sort/merge function. > >If you press F4 when in Add/inspect/edit mode, that puts you in the add >module. You can then write keywords just as in the Add-only mode: start by >pressing ctrl-A. I memorized that by keeping in mind that keywords are >always written in Add. > >Oh... a plug. Gale Rhoades offers Macrex workshops at the annual >conference. I plan to attend her workshop every year I go to the >conference, because I pick up so many tips about using the software. My >productivity definitely increases in response. Hope to see you there this >year! > >Sign me, >a happy Macrex user > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 01:25:55 LCL Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Brackney Subject: Re: Macrex-based frustration ebbing In-Reply-To: <199905182037.NAA01537@nccn1.nccn.net> Lillian: At 01:35 PM 5/18/99 -0700, you wrote: >Yes, I was indeed in the add/inspect/edit mode. The problem that I kept >coming up with was forgetting to switch to the add prompt before typing an >entry, then getting the "not found" error message, then typing the F1 >function key and getting slammed out to the main menu, totally shattering my >concentration. This happened repeatedly. Sounds like you may have got caught in a pattern of thinking that you needed to back away from the "not found" error message by striking F1 when all you needed to do was to note the message, strike F4 or Ctrl-B to switch to Add mode, and retype your entry. >And, since I had added the >"group" function/mode, it added another layer of Macrex program code which >made it even more difficult to get back to where my original train of >thought had begun in the first place. I tend to use the "group" function >frequently and switch to different groupings, but the change I am trying to >make at the end of my thought process may not have been included in the >final grouping itself, so I have to start the entire sequence over again, >all the while trying to remember the wording I'd come up with, but entered >at the wrong prompt. If you're in Group mode and want to get back to a particular heading in "Inspect and Edit" mode in order to copy some of it in creating a new entry, you can do so in one step by typing in the first few letters of the heading you want to go to and then striking Ctrl-H to go there while exiting Group mode. Then, without delay lest you forget your wording!, switch to Add mode, copy what you need from the current heading, and retype the rest of your entry. >I'm guessing that one of the problems is not having enough steady work to be >able to develop a routine. I've found that when I do have back-to-back >projects, the second one always runs more smoothly than the first. Yep, and a big sigh in the midst of rough going can help smooth the way. >As to looking at the screen -- yes, I am looking at the screen all the time. >But when I'm totally focused on the index content, the lighter (or darker) >shading of screen lines doesn't register in my brain; neither do the tag >lines on the bottom of the screen. If the color scheme you're using doesn't suit you, change it! >Another problem related to all of these is accidentally pressing "esc" >instead of F1 --again when concentrating on content and not process. This >can have disastrous results in wiping out an entire line. Sounds like you don't realize that you can get back a line you've just mistakenly wiped out by immediately switching to Add mode if you're not in it already and striking Ctrl-U, U, , . >Again, totally >blown concentration, as the only way to find the line again is to pull up a >back-up copy in a different software program. I'm running on 8 mg RAM and >have had the problem of the program simply dropping 100 lines of index copy >when I tried to use a custom format file. To safeguard against that I >can't run anything more than Macrex at the same time, so if I need to pull >up a file in Word, I have to leave the program entirely or risk random loss >of index entries. (This is not a fun thing!) And I do all formatting on a >second, temporary copy of my original index. All this effort was probably unnecessary. >I do make frequent back-ups for just this reason. A fine habit to maintain after you've straightened out everything else. Also: At 02:29 PM 5/18/99 -0700, you wrote: >. . . >A number of the people responding indicated that they don't work in the >"add" mode of Macrex and that I should get used to not working in it. > >At the same time, many of you also (presumably) use keywords. How do you >enter then *without* using the "Add" mode? The Add mode that many but not all Macrex users don't use is the "Add only" mode or option (listed on the Main Menu) in which your entries are arranged in the order in which you create them. The Add mode these users prefer to use is the one available together with "Inspect and Edit" mode and Group mode through the "add, Inspect, & edit" mode or option (listed on the Main Menu) in which your entries are arranged in alphabetical order. Keywords can be created using Ctrl-A in either version of Add mode. >I just tried to do one as a test in add/inspect/edit , typing in the "#' >and "*" symbols then running the combine sort/merge --nothing happened. Keywords can also be created manually in an Add mode much as you tried to do: enter "*" plus the new keyword and then enter "#" plus the keyword expansion ("yanking" a heading from an entry if you like). Then switch to "Inspect and Edit" mode, go to the bottom of the index, highlight and re-enter the new keyword one line up from the bottom, return to the Main Menu, and, finally, return to the index (no need to run a sort-and-merge). All the best, Michael Brackney Indexing Service 134 Kathleen Way Grass Valley, CA 95945 530-272-7088 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:03:53 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Robin Hilp Subject: Re: Indexers Websites (and WebRing) Indexers WebRing requests are "back ordered" for the past 3 weeks. We're up and running again this week. So if you submitted a site or sent any other queries recently, you should get an answer this week. If you don't, please send a follow-up email to rolybear@yahoo.com, with "webring" in the subject. Thanks :-) === RolyBear ICQ 1863181 (Robin Hilp) _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:05:04 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: e-mailing indexes - URGENT In-Reply-To: <199905190409.XAA03644@a.mx.execpc.com> >I have not had the dubious pleasure of emailing indexes so far, but I >am wondering why not send RTF files without the need for >encryption. This would also avoid any possibility of transmitting a >Word virus unwittingly. > >Regards > >_John Sampson_ I don't know about others' e-mail programs, but with Eudora Lite, that's the only way you can transmit a file. You can choose different *kinds* of encryption, but there has to be some encryption or other. BTW, this is not the same as file compression. I don't compress my files before sending 'em. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | I'm not into working out. My indexer@execpc.com | philosophy: No pain, no pain. Milwaukee, WI | -- Carol Leifer new Web address to come ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:58:26 +0300 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Avital Pinnick Subject: turning Cindex warnings off Dear indexers, I am using the Mac demo version of Cindex (hope to purchase the full version if we get a grant for the next book). Is there *any way* to turn off the "warning mssg" which occurs when you try to use a (, [, {, ), ], ) with no match in a heading or subheading? I am using a special transliteration font and it is extremely frustrating to be warned every time I use a sub-dot, hacek, ayin or aleph. TIA, Avital Dr. Avital Pinnick tel: 972-2-588-2063 Chief of Publications fax: 972-2-588-3584 Orion Center for the Study of the Dead Sea Scrolls, Hebrew University http://orion.mscc.huji.ac.il - DSS bibliography updated weekly ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:50:28 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lillian Ashworth Subject: Re: Macrex-based frustration ebbing Michael- Thank you for your detailed analysis of what I did wrong and for your helpful suggestions on how to correct the problems. Unfortunately, much of what you write I already know. However, when you are deep in thought and your words suddenly vaporize on the screen in front of you, reflex action kicks in --which can be even more disastrous. Much of my problem stems from an apparent inability on my part to concentrate on both process and content at the same time. This problem probably stems from an adverse drug reaction I had about 20 years ago which left me unable to read, write, or concentrate on more than one thing at a time. After many intense hours with crossword puzzles and forcing myself to read every line of the morning newspaper, I was able to regain most of the reading and writing skills (I still have trouble writing longhand); however, the ability to concentrate on more than one thing at a time (which I used to be able to do) remains a problem. >If the color scheme you're using doesn't suit you, change it! > I have changed it and the setting I have now is the one that works best for me. It's the brain settings that need changing! >Sounds like you don't realize that you can get back a line you've just >mistakenly wiped out by immediately switching to Add mode if you're not in >it already and striking Ctrl-U, U, , . > You can also get it back by simply pressing F1 --as long as you haven't pressed anything else. Again, reflex action kicks in, which can cause even more disaster. >> To safeguard against that I >>can't run anything more than Macrex at the same time, so if I need to pull >>up a file in Word, I have to leave the program entirely or risk random loss >>of index entries. (This is not a fun thing!) And I do all formatting on a >>second, temporary copy of my original index. > >All this effort was probably unnecessary. > Perhaps, but have you ever lost 100 random lines of index copy on deadline? I rest my case. >Keywords can be created using Ctrl-A in either version of Add mode. Yes, Victoria Baker also noted this. The manual could be a little more helpful in this regard. It simply states: "...when you are in AN entry mode." [Emphasis added] I read that to mean THE Add mode. Last but not least, I have taught Dos and Dos-based versions of Word and dBase to our university library faculty and staff ; I also write program applications for "Access", so I am not exactly computer-illiterate. And, don't get me wrong, Macrex is a very powerful program that takes (most of the time) a lot of "bother" out of indexing. Even given its quirks, it sure beats cards in a shoebox! Thanks again to all who responded, Lillian ashworth@pullman.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:17:50 +1000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Hughes Stuart Subject: [Notice] Australian Society of Indexers Conference in August: Reg istration details > ****** Tasmania in August ******* > > Dear Indexers and those with an interest in indexing, > > I am pleased to be able to forward the following announcement for the > Australian Society of Indexers Conference. The brochure and registration > form are now available as a PDF file on the AusSI website (see the URLs > below). > > Stuart > > ------------------------------------ > > The Australian Society of Indexers will hold its Second International > Conference at Hobart, Tasmania from Friday 27 to Sunday 29 August 1999 > with the theme: > The August Indexer > The Conference is being designed to address issues relevant to the art of > indexing and applications ... local, national, international.: > Database indexing > Back of the Book indexing > Systems for indexing > Web indexing > Education for indexing > Editing / indexing continuum > Indexing of Children's literature .... and more > > The preliminary program and registration brochure is available on the > webpage of the Australian Society of Indexers, at: > > http://www.zeta.org.au/~aussi/events/augustindregn.pdf > > http://www.zeta.org.au/~aussi/events/conferences.htm > > --------------------------------------- > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:59:15 LCL Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Brackney Subject: Re: "Macrex-based" frustration In-Reply-To: <199905191750.KAA16050@whale.fsr.net> At 10:50 AM 5/19/99 -0700, Lillian Ashworth wrote: >Michael- > >Thank you for your detailed analysis of what I did wrong and for your >helpful suggestions on how to correct the problems. > >Unfortunately, much of what you write I already know. However, when you are >deep in thought and your words suddenly vaporize on the screen in front of >you, reflex action kicks in --which can be even more disastrous. > >Much of my problem stems from an apparent inability on my part to >concentrate on both process and content at the same time. This problem >probably stems from an adverse drug reaction I had about 20 years ago which >left me unable to read, write, or concentrate on more than one thing at a >time. After many intense hours with crossword puzzles and forcing myself to >read every line of the morning newspaper, I was able to regain most of the >reading and writing skills (I still have trouble writing longhand); however, >the ability to concentrate on more than one thing at a time (which I used to >be able to do) remains a problem. > > >>If the color scheme you're using doesn't suit you, change it! >> > >I have changed it and the setting I have now is the one that works best for >me. It's the brain settings that need changing! > > > >>Sounds like you don't realize that you can get back a line you've just >>mistakenly wiped out by immediately switching to Add mode if you're not in >>it already and striking Ctrl-U, U, , . >> > >You can also get it back by simply pressing F1 --as long as you haven't >pressed anything else. Again, reflex action kicks in, which can cause even >more disaster. > > >>> To safeguard against that I >>>can't run anything more than Macrex at the same time, so if I need to pull >>>up a file in Word, I have to leave the program entirely or risk random loss >>>of index entries. (This is not a fun thing!) And I do all formatting on a >>>second, temporary copy of my original index. >> >>All this effort was probably unnecessary. >> > >Perhaps, but have you ever lost 100 random lines of index copy on deadline? >I rest my case. . . . Dear Lillian: Thank you for your personal description of your "apparent inability . . . to concentrate on both process and content at the same time" and your characterization of your response to your frustration in suffering from this inability as "reflex action", through which you've lost as many as "100 random lines of index copy on deadline": they explain a lot about your tale of trouble in indexing with Macrex. When I read your first post I could see and sympathize with your confusion but I couldn't tell what it was about, so I just took you at your word and responded to the way you framed your dilemma as "Macrex-based" frustration by explaining what I know about how to do what you wanted to do, thereby showing how little the trouble you were experiencing had to do with Macrex itself. Clearly what most Macrex users regard as the fairly straightforward demands of keeping track of the program interface have, at times, and for good reason, thrown you for a loop. I'm sorry to hear about your trouble but I'm glad to see that you're trying to deal with it and I hope you succeed in your efforts. I'm particularly glad for you that the next version of Macrex will include the feature for entering new entries misentered in "Inspect and Edit" mode! All the best, Michael ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:52:21 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lillian Ashworth Subject: Re: "Macrex-based" frustration Michael - Sorry, you seem to have misread my message. Losing 100 lines of copy was NOT due to my hitting a function key or something else in error. The exact reason why it happened has never been determined. It appears to have something to do with the amount of memory I have on my system (not in my brain). That is why I take the extra precaution of doing formatting tasks on a second copy of my index and keep everything else shut down while working in Macrex. That way the actual data that I enter is protected, or has been so far. Although that problem caused me severe anguish the day it happened, it is totally unrelated to what I was experiencing on Sunday, which is what started this discussion. Lillian ashworth@pullman.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:53:03 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: turning Cindex warnings off In-Reply-To: <199905200407.XAA23395@b.mx.execpc.com> >I am using the Mac demo version of Cindex (hope to purchase the full >version if we get a grant for the next book). Is there *any way* to turn >off the "warning mssg" which occurs when you try to use a (, [, {, ), ], ) >with no match in a heading or subheading? I am using a special >transliteration font and it is extremely frustrating to be warned every >time I use a sub-dot, hacek, ayin or aleph. > The only controls I found for warnings--and you probably already saw these--were for errors in the locator field. As a workaround, you could substitute other characters in Cindex, ones that don't have to match anything: @, #, $, * (don't use ^ if you're going to export to MS Word), then do global replaces after you export your index to a word processing program. One of my clients uses, e.g., {hu} as their typesetting convention for an h with an underdot. But because curly brackets produce hidden text in Cindex, I use a combination of square brackets and curly brackets in Cindex (so it sorts properly) and then globally replace the [] with {} in MS Word. If the word were "hand" with an underdot (I'm making up that example of course), I'd type it this way in Cindex: {h}[hu]and That way, it would sort properly in Cindex, but that initial h would disappear upon exporting to Word, and the entry would look like this: [hu]and which I would then change to {hu}and and the typesetter would change to hand . Sorry to be so long-winded. This is for the benefit of anyone who might find this technique handy. Cheers, Carol ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:23:42 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: turning Cindex warnings off In-Reply-To: <199905200053.rk75aq.tq1.37kbi14@mx6.mindspring.com> At 11:53 PM 5/19/99 -0500, you wrote: >>I am using the Mac demo version of Cindex (hope to purchase the full >>version if we get a grant for the next book). Is there *any way* to turn >>off the "warning mssg" which occurs when you try to use a (, [, {, ), ], ) >>with no match in a heading or subheading? I am using a special >>transliteration font and it is extremely frustrating to be warned every >>time I use a sub-dot, hacek, ayin or aleph. Precede the offending character with a tilde and Cindex will be happy. Dick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:45:04 -0400 Reply-To: "David K. Ream" Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "David K. Ream" Organization: Leverage Technologies, Inc. Subject: Re: turning Cindex warnings off > If the > word were "hand" with an underdot (I'm making up that example of course), > I'd type it this way in Cindex: > > {h}[hu]and > > That way, it would sort properly in Cindex, but that initial h would > disappear upon exporting to Word, and the entry would look like this: > > [hu]and > > which I would then change to > > {hu}and > > and the typesetter would change to > > hand > . > > Sorry to be so long-winded. This is for the benefit of anyone who might The other way to handle this would be \{h{u}\}and then no substitution is necessary. The {}s around the u disappear and keep the u from sorting while the backslashes force the {}s you want. Dave Ream Leverage Technologies, Inc. Cleveland, OH 44141-2939 Toll-free (NA) 888-838-1203 Local/Fax 440-838-1203 E-mail: DaveReam@LevTechInc.com Web: http://www.LevTechInc.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 13:46:16 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: NANCY WILLIAMSON Subject: isko6 call for papers International Society for Knowledge Organization Sixth International ISKO Conference Call for Papers The International Society for Knowledge Organization (ISKO) will conduct its 6th International Conference (ISKO 6) in Toronto, Canada, July 10-13, 2000. The theme of the conference is: Dynamism and Stability in Knowledge Organization Papers addressing Dynamism and Stability in Knowledge Organization from any of the following interrelated perspectives are invited: Cognitive and Linguistic Foundations Theories of Knowledge and Knowledge Organization Information Policies and Management of Knowledge Structures Information Systems: Concepts, Design and Implementation Culture, Language and Communication in Knowledge Organization Knowledge Organization of Universal and Special Systems Global Users and Uses of Knowledge and Knowledge Organization New Information Technologies for Knowledge Organization Theoreticians, researchers and practitioners involved in knowledge organization are invited to submit abstracts of between 500 and 1000 words by September 30, 1999 to Professor Clare Beghtol, Programme Chair (see contact information below; electronic submissions welcome; please include ISKO in the subject line). In preparing your abstract please relate your topic to the theme of the conference and indicate the category above to which you believe your paper belongs. An international programme committee will review the papers, and authors will be notified of decisions by December 1, 1999. The deadline for submission of papers for the printed conference proceedings will be March 1, 2000. Venue of the conference: Faculty of Information Studies, University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada Conference Chair: Nancy Williamson Programme Chair: Clare Beghtol Mailing address: Faculty of Information Studies, University of Toronto, 140 St. George Street, Toronto, Canada M5S 3G6 FAX: +1 416 971 1399 e-mail: isko@fis.utoronto.ca ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:39:22 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Robin Hilp Subject: seeking abstracting course Can anyone recommend a good correspondence or online course in abstracting, please? === RolyBear ICQ 1863181 (Robin Hilp) _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:05:26 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sylvia Mauro Subject: Extended caracters with Cindex Hi, Does someone experience the following problem using Cindex ver. 6.1? Since I reconfigured my PC, I have been unable to type French accents in Cindex (unless I type alt +number to generate it manually). If I then open my index in a word processor, e.g. MSWord, the French accents are lost perhaps because the set of ASCII codes are not there. I tried the following : I reinstalled Cindex, assuming that this has something to do with the program setup but this did not work. Even if I specify the word processor file with the command SET TYPE, this does not solve my problem. I don't know how to fix this problem.... Second question : I use Cindex and my client uses Quark Express on Mac. What is the best file extension to use so that my client will be able to open this file (.rtf or .doc)? Would .doc be a problem source? Thanks, Sylvia Mauro