========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 14:00:59 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Nancy C. Mulvany" Subject: Golden Gate ASI Meeting ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- GOLDEN GATE CHAPTER AMERICAN SOCIETY OF INDEXERS INSTALLATION OF 1993-1994 OFFICERS June 5, 1993 6:30 p.m. - No Host Cocktails 7:15 p.m. - Dinner MARTINELLI'S STEAK PIT* 1180 El Camino Real Millbrae, California Dinner includes: Antipasto, Salad, Choice of entree (Prime rib, New York Steak, Fillet of sole, or Vegetarian), Fresh vegetable, Choice of rice, pasta, or baked potato; Spumoni or Chocolate sundae, Beverage, and Wine. Price: $15 for members, $17 for nonmembers and significant others Reservation checks by June 3, 1993 to: AnnMarie Mitchell, President Elect, Golden Gate Chapter ASI Collection Development Office, Room 390 Doe Library Berkeley, CA 94720 Make checks payable to: Golden Gate Chapter, ASI Indicate your choice of entree for dinner Phone: 510/642-0956 FAX:642-7891 Internet: amitchel@library.berkeley.edu *To reach Martinelli's: From US 101 take Millbrae exit, go West on Millbrae Ave to El Camino Real; then turn North on El Camino Real. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 14:01:25 ECT Reply-To: Michael Kalen Smith Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Kalen Smith Subject: Re: Shared Info ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >Please excuse me if I'm asking about something that was already discussed >before I came on board. I belong to a couple of organizations that maintain >"experts" lists. That is, they compile info on the areas of expertise of >their members and make the list available to everyone, so if you have a >question, you can call someone in the group. Has anyone ever suggested >doing the same on this list? My background, for example, is philosophy. So >if you had a question about, say, how to list "hypothetical imperative" and >didn't have another philosopher handy, you could e-mail the question to me. >My question assumes, of course, that we are not all experts in every >subject we happen to be indexing. What do others think? > >Carol Roberts >Publications Services >Cornell University >cjr2@cornell.edu >607 255-9454 Sounds good to me, Carol. Ar you volunteering to maintain such a register...? :{) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michael Kalen Smith / Dallas, TX Internet: mksmith@taproot.win.net / CompuServe: 73177,366 *** It doesn't TAKE all kinds; we just HAVE all kinds *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 14:02:02 ECT Reply-To: Michael Kalen Smith Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Kalen Smith Subject: Re: Standards draft 3.1 (part 3) ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >I thought I'd mastered the art of alphabetization, but I've come across >punctuation in the standards draft that changes things for me. I >called The University of Chicago Press last Fall to get clarification >on the following point: "In letter-by-letter mode one alphabetizes upt >to the first mark of punctuation; that is, one ignores word spaces and >alphabetizes up to the comma, colon, or period at the end of the >heading, or to the comma after the first part of an inverted heading. >In the word-by-word mode one applies the principle through the end of >the first word and then stops, using second and subsequent words only >when two or more headings begin with the same word(s)." > >The response I received was that the comma determines the breaking >point in both styles. I understood this to mean that when >alphabetizing index entries, either in letter-by-letter or word-by-word >format, one should stop at the first punctuation mark. Hence, entries >marked with a comma would come before similar entries with a space (the >list is from section 9.7 of the draft): > > New, Agnes New, Agnes > New Brunswick New, Thomas > new journalism New Brunswick > new moon should be new journalism > New, Thomas new moon > New York New York > Newark Newark > Newfoundland Newfoundland > >Am I way off base on this one? Did I thoroughly misunderstand something? > >Carolyn Kidder >Assistant Technical Editor >Cray Research >carolyn@mayberry.cray.com This is very strange. I've always understood "letter-by-letter" to mean that one ignores spaces AND punctuation: You essentially delete the punctuation and shove all the letters together, and alphabetize from that.... In "word-by-word" the principal difference is that "nothing comes before something" -- which means 'New, Thomas' would come *after* 'New York'. At least, I've been doing that ever since library school, 25 yrs ago, and no one in my 15 yrs of indexing has ever suggested anything different. CINDEX follows these rules, too. Mike ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michael Kalen Smith / Dallas, TX Internet: mksmith@taproot.win.net / CompuServe: 73177,366 *** It doesn't TAKE all kinds; we just HAVE all kinds *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 14:02:31 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carl Sandstrom Subject: Advice on scope notes (request) ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hello all - List members were so helpful last time we posted a question (about abstracting guidelines) that I'm going to try it again: We are in the throes of renovating the thesaurus for our FINIS database, and are going to add many, many scope notes. Can anyone point me toward examples of well-written scope notes (I have the PsychInfo thesaurus, and LC's Subject Headings), or offer experiential advice either from the point of view of thesaurus user/database searcher or of someone who has written scope notes? What about language, specifically, what about scope notes written as definitions as opposed to scope notes written as a description of *how* terms are used within the context of a given database? I tend to view the latter as more useful; what are your preferences? NOTE OF APPOLOGY: We were new and inept Internet users last time we posted, and neglected a thank-you note. Please don't hold our _faux pas_ against us! 8-] Carl Sandstrom FINIS Database Editor Amer. Bankers Assn csandstr@capcon.net (202) 663-5387 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 14:03:11 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Tom Dye Subject: Interleaf Indexing ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hello, all: At our computer corp., we use Interleaf to create our hardware documentation. We create some of our own indexes, but we also contract some indexes. To save ourselves a bit of trouble, it would be nice if we could find a brilliant indexer who has access to Interleaf. That way, the indexer could insert corresponding online index tokens. If anyone out there is this brilliant indexer, and you can take on an extra job or twenty, drop me a line. Thanks, Tom Dye Cray Research, Inc. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 16:49:45 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paula Presley Subject: 25th Anniversary Conference ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The conference was about the best conference I've attended of late. I especially enjoyed the interviews with past presidents. Dorothy Thomas did her usual superb job and elicited great observations by our past presidents. And didn't we ALL see ourselves described by the oral bios of each person? Has Dorothy or someone else done a survey to see what we all do/don't have in common? Each officer and organizer is to be commended for a well-run, fun, interesting, educational, just-plain-good conference! And, so, back to work.... Paula Presley Assoc. Editor, The Thomas Jefferson University Press Copy Editor, The Sixteenth Century Journal Northeast Missouri State University McClain Hall 111L Kirksville, MO 63501 (816) 785-4525 FAX (816) 785-4181 Bitnet: AD15@NEMOMUS Internet: AD15%NEMOMUS@Academic.NEMOState.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 17:04:59 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Mary Huxlin Subject: Re: Advice on scope notes ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- ## Mail Originated from UNIPLEX -- ## Re: SCOPE NOTES~ In one of the thesaurus that I frequently use - the INIS Thesaurus- the scope notes notes are generally printed in lower case between parentheses and immediately following the descriptor to which they apply. They fulfil a variety of purposes such as restricting the meaning of the descriptor or conversely permitting a broad meaning, suggest additional or alternate descriptors, spell out in full acronyms, etc. Examples: AGING~ (Limited to metallurgy)~ HOT CELLS~ (Shielded chambers for remote handling of radioactive materials) ANSTO~ (Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organization, created on 27 April 1987 and replacing AAEC.) As you can see some are quite informative. The examples are from the INIS's (International Nuclear Information System) Thesaurus and they reflect a specific domain of knowledge. I hope that they would be of some use to you. Cheers, Mary Huxlin Re: SCOPE NOTES~ In one of the thesaurus that I frequently use - the INIS Thesaurus- the scope notes notes are generally printed in lower case between parentheses and immediately following the descriptor to which they apply. They fulfil a variety of purposes such as restricting the meaning of the descriptor or conversely permitting a broad meaning, suggest additional or alternate descriptors, spell out in full acronyms, etc. Examples: AGING~ (Limited to metallurgy)~ HOT CELLS~ (Shielded chambers for remote handling of radioactive materials) ANSTO~ (Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organization, created on 27 April 1987 and replacing AAEC.) As you can see some are quite informative. The examples are from the INIS's (International Nuclear Information System) Thesaurus and they reflect a specific domain of knowledge. I hope that they would be of some use to you. Cheers, Mary Huxlin ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 17:05:20 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Western New York State Chapter meeting ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The following announcement has already been mailed to ASI members in western New York, so this posting is mainly for anyone in the area who is not already a member (Debbie? Raul?). The just-forming Western New York State Chapter of ASI will hold its first formal chapter meeting on Saturday, 6/5, 1:00-4:00 p.m., 134 Goldwin Smith Hall (on the Arts Quad, if that helps), East Avenue, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY. The meeting will include installation of officers, reports on the recent 25th anniversary ASI conference, circulation of proposed by-laws, refreshments, and amiable company. June 5 also happens to be one of the days of the famous Ithaca Festival, so if you're driving, you'll want to avoid downtown (unless, of course, you come early to enjoy the festival :o) ). If you have any questions or need directions, feel free to e-mail me. -- Carol Roberts Publications Services Cornell University cjr2@cornell.edu 607 255-9454 Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 10:42:06 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: David Lewis Subject: terminology for relations between indexing terms ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hi folks, I have a question about terminology. In a talk I'm preparing, I would like to distinguish between two kinds of links between pairs of indexing terms: 1. Links which are universally asserted to hold, such as saying that animal is BROADER-THAN dog, or automobile HAS-PART tires. 2. Links which are recognized as holding for a particular instance of the terms in a text. For instance, in "We added 3 grams of sodium chloride", the relationships between "added" and "grams", "added" and "chloride", "sodium" and "chloride", and "3" and "grams" are all particular to this sentence. (Though some, like that between "sodium" and "chloride" may be systematic and encountered in many texts.) This is a widely made (if sometimes blurry and debatable) distinction in a number of fields. What I'd like to do is collect all the different ways in which this distinction is described, and who uses that particular piece of jargon. Two I have seen are: 1. "paradigmatic" vs. "syntagmatic" (information retrieval researchers with a natural language processing bent, but originated in linguistics I think) 2. "semantic" vs. "episodic" (artificial intelligence researchers, particularly the Yale camp of the 60's through 80's) Any others? Thanks, Dave David D. Lewis AT&T Bell Laboratories email: lewis@research.att.com 600 Mountain Ave.; Room 2C-408 ph. 908-582-3976 Murray Hill, NJ 07974; USA dept. fax. 908-582-7550 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 15:38:00 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Bob Shairulla Subject: Re: Advice on scope notes (request) ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The _GeoRef Thesaurus_, which is used to index the GeoRef database as well as its print version, has excellent scopenotes. Re defintion versus description of terms, a combination of both can be used to ensure that the user is clear about its meaning. If you use strictly definition, you can explain to the user that these definitions are given in the context of the thesaurus. The ERIC thesaurus also has good scopenotes. hope this is helpful. Bob Shairulla FLIS, University of Toronto shairull@flis.utoronto.ca