========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:12:40 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Indexing Services Subject: S corporation ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Does anyone out there have any experience or knowledge about becoming a S corporation versus remaining a sole proprietorship? A financial planning person I recently spoke with said I could save money on taxes by becoming a S corporation. I don't want my financial or tax situation to become anymore complicated. Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated. Joan Griffitts indexsvc@indyvax.iupui.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:13:07 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Indexing a long manuscript ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- In response to Grover A. Zinn, who said: > [stuff deleted] > I am beginning to index a long manuscript (a one-volume > encyclopedia) in the humanities. The computer center staff > here have identified WordPerfect as the word processor that has > the best routines for establishing an index. (The manuscript is in > Word on a Mac at the present; I also have Nisus as a word processor). > I would appreciate any wisdom in terms of advice, suggested routines, > cautions, etc. from people who have had experience with computer- > generated indices. > [stuff deleted] Grover -- I know some writers who could tell you some real horror stories about using WordPerfect to do large indexes. I also know some writers who swear that PageMaker has the best indexing features of any DTP-type software. But (and I'm sure you'll hear this from other indexers on this list) ... it would be well worth the money to buy software, such as Cindex (developed by Indexing Research, phone: 716-461-5530) or Macrex (developed by Bayside Indexing Service, phone: 415-756-0821). You'll be amazed at the time (and aggrivation) that these packages can save you. Good luck with your project .... Lori Lathrop -----------> INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com Lathrop Media Services Georgetown, CO 80444 (303)567-4011 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:13:31 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Michael K. Smith" Subject: Re: Indexing a long manuscript In-Reply-To: <199406212043.AA28565@metronet.com> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- On Tue, 21 Jun 1994 FZINN@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu wrote: > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > I have just joined this list, so this may be a question that has > been addressed before. I am beginning to index a long manuscript > (a one-volume encyclopedia) in the humanities. The computer center > staff here have identified WordPerfect as the word processor that has > the best routines for establishing an index. (The manuscript is in > Word on a Mac at the present; I also have Nisus as a word processor). > > I would appreciate any wisdom in terms of advice, suggested routines, > cautions, etc. from people who have had experience with computer- > generated indices. > > Thanks in advance for any responses. You can post to the list or send > directly to me at FZINN@OCVAXA.CC.OBERLIN.EDU. > > Grover A. Zinn > Department of Religion > Oberlin Colelge > (read: Oberlin College). No. No way. Absolutely not. Don't even CONSIDER it. There is no commercial word processing program in existence capable of producing anything that, even charitably, could be regarded as an "index." Period. I've been using WP since 4.1 and I even teach WPWin6.0 on occasion -- but what it produces is a filtered concordance, not an index. If you're doing a major project, all the more reason to use a professional tool like Cindex or Macrex, or any other well-featured indexing program (we all have our favorites and I won't try to make a pitch here...). You can undoubtedly produce a perfectly adequate alphabetical list of, say, proper names in a muster roll or something, but that's it. I don't mean this to sound unkind, but perhaps you need to go back and read some basic texts in the theory and practice of indexing. (My favorite when I was first starting out was "Indexing, The Art of"....) Michael K. Smith mksmith@metronet.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ It doesn't TAKE all kinds, we just HAVE all kinds ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:14:13 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paula Presley Subject: Re: Indexing a long manuscript In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of TUE 21 JUN 1994 19:09:12 CDT ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I'm glad you asked for our input BEFORE you begin this project. I am a professional indexer. I have WordPerfect 6.0 on my home computer;I use FrameMaker 4.0 for our university press. They each have a system of ELECTRONIC MARKERS, which are a great tool to mark text AFTER one has created an index using dedicated indexing software (e.g., Cindex, Macrex)--or even 3x5 cards. At the ASI annual meeting in May, a representative from FrameMaker was a speaker. He told us that Frame Technologies hired a professional indexer to create their (very good!) indexes for all their manuals. He explained the procedure that Frame Technologies uses for creating their print manuals and their online guides. AFTER the professional indexer had made an index for the manuals, the Frame Technologies folks used their electronic markers to create the hypertext links in their electronic text. I was happy this representative explained this to us, because some months ago I had decided that if Frame Technologies (or even WordPerfect) could make indexes with those so-called indexing tool, then I could too. After about half a chapter, I was so frustrated that I went to my indexing software--still wondering how they produced those nice indexes with such a cumbersome product. Now I learned that they didn't--that they couldn't. I suggest that after you have made your index with indexing software or 3x5 cards, THEN you find out what your customer needs in the way of electronic markers. You might want to contact the American Society of Indexers (ASI) at (512) 749-4052 or FAX: 512-749-6334 to see if you can obtain a copy of the Frame Technologies' representative at the annual meeting. I will help explain to your computer folks why you can't use the electronic markers to make a true index. Paula Presley Assoc. Editor, The Thomas Jefferson University Press Copy Editor, The Sixteenth Century Journal Northeast Missouri State University McClain Hall 111L Kirksville, MO 63501 (816) 785-4525 FAX (816) 785-4181 Bitnet: AD15@NEMOMUS Internet: AD15%NEMOMUS@Academic.NEMOState.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:15:03 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: N.Kenneth.Nail.1@ksc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: Indexing a long manuscript ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I've cast a number of indexes in WordPerfect 5.2 and would advise you to look for all codes within the text and make sure you eliminate any which would affect the appearance of the index. The other thought would be to suggest creating an index from a concordance file, on a short document for starters, just to be sure you know the method you want to use. Creating an index by marking the text is a cumbersome (but valuable) method, in part, because you have to remember exactly how you wrote both the primary and secondary file names so that your index will not have troublesome conflicts. Ken Nail, Jr. Norman.K.Nail.1@ksc.nasa.gov ---------- From: owner-index-l To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Subject: Indexing a long manuscript Date: Tuesday, June 21, 1994 04:39PM ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I have just joined this list, so this may be a question that has been addressed before. I am beginning to index a long manuscript (a one-volume encyclopedia) in the humanities. The computer center staff here have identified WordPerfect as the word processor that has the best routines for establishing an index. (The manuscript is in Word on a Mac at the present; I also have Nisus as a word processor). I would appreciate any wisdom in terms of advice, suggested routines, cautions, etc. from people who have had experience with computer- generated indices. Thanks in advance for any responses. You can post to the list or send directly to me at FZINN@OCVAXA.CC.OBERLIN.EDU. Grover A. Zinn Department of Religion Oberlin Colelge (read: Oberlin College). ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 13:06:04 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DWIGHT WALKER Subject: Re: S corporation ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- You do pay more tax as an individual in Australia. However setting up as a company costs about $800. You then have to claim expenses against it. My accountant advised against it. He did say though make sure you have tools of the trade - a PC, software, furniture - to improve your efficiency. Have you asked your accountant? Cheers, Dwight :-) Reply to message text: ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Does anyone out there have any experience or knowledge about becoming a S corporation versus remaining a sole proprietorship? A financial planning person I recently spoke with said I could save money on taxes by becoming a S corporation. I don't want my financial or tax situation to become anymore complicated. Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated. Joan Griffitts indexsvc@indyvax.iupui.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 13:06:17 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Michael K. Smith" Subject: Re: S corporation In-Reply-To: <199406221316.AA01758@metronet.com> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- On Wed, 22 Jun 1994, Indexing Services wrote: > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > > Does anyone out there have any experience or knowledge about becoming > a S corporation versus remaining a sole proprietorship? A financial > planning person I recently spoke with said I could save money on > taxes by becoming a S corporation. I don't want my financial or tax > situation to become anymore complicated. > > Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated. > > Joan Griffitts > indexsvc@indyvax.iupui.edu First, "Subchapter S" corporations aren't 'real' corporations -- it's an IRS fiction. You decide (when you file your taxes) whether you want to be a Subchapter S for that year; it doesn't obligate you to do the same thing in any subsequent year. Whether it's *useful* for you to do that can be rather complicated and depends on a great many personal business details. You have to spreadsheet your year's finances and play around with it a little. The IRS publishes a pretty good booklet on Subchapter S. I've done this twice in the past decade -- both occasions being when I recapitalized a large part of my business and wanted to spread out the cost. If you trust your accountant's judgment, and he/she recommends it, go ahead. My 'accountant' is my son-in-law at Arthur Anderson, so he's *real* careful...! Michael K. Smith mksmith@metronet.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ It doesn't TAKE all kinds, we just HAVE all kinds ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 13:06:58 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Re: Indexing a long manuscript In-Reply-To: <9406221313.AA11189@carson.u.washington.edu> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I would second all the comments that have already been made on this topic, and would never consider a word process for such a project. But one key question that is not apparent from your original message: Do you anticipate doing other indexes in the future (in which case the investment of $450+ and learning time for top-of-the-line indexing software like CINDEX or MACREX will pay for itself in short order), or is this a one-time project for which a less comprehensive package like In-Sort for DOS (<$100) will work much better than ANY word processor as an indexing tool but without all the extras of the comprehensive packages? Choose your vehicle carefully. Do you want a skateboard (WP), a Cadillac (CINDEX/MACREX) or something in between? They'll all get you there, but with varying degrees of comfort and expense. Carolyn Weaver Bellevue, Wa. e-mail: cweaver@u.washington.edu voice: 206/930-4348 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 16:46:37 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John Wylie Subject: Re: Indexing a long manuscript In-Reply-To: <199406221317.AA01780@metronet.com> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The following message and response indicates to me why indexing is so much fun. As with genealogy, which Mike also claims to do professionally, indexing is a subjective discipine, thus open to wide intrepertation by many. I disagree with Mike's absolute condemnation of any wordprocessing software for indexing. While he makes a couple of good points, he totally fails to realize that, while limited, the indexing features in some wordprocessors can be made to work. As an instructor in WP6.0 he is surely also aware of the "marked text" indexing feature in this, and many other, software. While CIndex and others are more appropriate for many people, to catagorically condemn any tool, is to stand in the way of expanding this profession. Not everyone just getting started in indexing can afford to purchase professional software for their first project. They may choose to trade time and flexibility for initial investment costs. Also, if one can withstand the rigors of preparing a serious index on, say WP6.0, then they will find real joy when moving up to more powerful software. Cheers. . . On Wed, 22 Jun 1994, Michael K. Smith wrote: > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > On Tue, 21 Jun 1994 FZINN@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu wrote: > > > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > > I have just joined this list, so this may be a question that has > > been addressed before. I am beginning to index a long manuscript > > (a one-volume encyclopedia) in the humanities. The computer center > > staff here have identified WordPerfect as the word processor that has > > the best routines for establishing an index. (The manuscript is in > > Word on a Mac at the present; I also have Nisus as a word processor). > > > > I would appreciate any wisdom in terms of advice, suggested routines, > > cautions, etc. from people who have had experience with computer- > > generated indices. > > > > Thanks in advance for any responses. You can post to the list or send > > directly to me at FZINN@OCVAXA.CC.OBERLIN.EDU. > > > > Grover A. Zinn > > Department of Religion > > Oberlin Colelge > > (read: Oberlin College). > > No. No way. Absolutely not. Don't even CONSIDER it. There is no commercial > word processing program in existence capable of producing anything that, > even charitably, could be regarded as an "index." Period. > > I've been using WP since 4.1 and I even teach WPWin6.0 on occasion -- but > what it produces is a filtered concordance, not an index. If you're doing > a major project, all the more reason to use a professional tool like > Cindex or Macrex, or any other well-featured indexing program (we all > have our favorites and I won't try to make a pitch here...). You can > undoubtedly produce a perfectly adequate alphabetical list of, say, > proper names in a muster roll or something, but that's it. > > I don't mean this to sound unkind, but perhaps you need to go back and > read some basic texts in the theory and practice of indexing. (My > favorite when I was first starting out was "Indexing, The Art of"....) > > > Michael K. Smith mksmith@metronet.com > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > It doesn't TAKE all kinds, we just HAVE all kinds > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 16:46:57 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sharon Giles Subject: Re: S corporation In-Reply-To: <9406221311.AA51285@medcat.library.swmed.edu> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > > Does anyone out there have any experience or knowledge about becoming > a S corporation versus remaining a sole proprietorship? A financial > planning person I recently spoke with said I could save money on > taxes by becoming a S corporation. I don't want my financial or tax > situation to become anymore complicated. > > Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated. > > Joan Griffitts > indexsvc@indyvax.iupui.edu > Comment: Yes, you can save on federal taxes. However, you should also consider the state tax question. Texas has a corporation franchise tax which is based on profits. This tax removes much of the financial advantage of an S Corporation. Also, you will still have to pay social security taxes. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 09:05:48 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: HairyLarry@aol.com Subject: Re: Indexing a long manuscript ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- With all due respect to the staff at your computer center, the index generated by a computer software package is not what book publishers mean by the word "index." Please save yourself and the eventual readers and users of this book much frustration and read some material on the art of indexing before proceeding. The first place to look is the Chicago Manual of Style, which has a chapter on indexing. The 14th edition issued last year is most complete and up to date. Then, please try to find one of the following books in your library: Indexing Books, by Nancy Mulvany Indexing from A to Z, by Hans Wellisch Indexing Concepts and Methods, by Harold Borko and Charles L. Bernier These sources will all tell you that indexing a book is a difficult task requiring specialized knowledge and training in indexing itself. There are hundreds of freelance professional indexers doing this kind of work, many with subject knowledge appropriate to this kind of book. Please reconsider indexing this book without involving such a professional. If you do decide to go ahead after consulting these sources, you will find that the question of software is less important than how to go about making the index. That should be your primary concern. Regards, Larry Harrison Harrylarry@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 09:06:11 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: bob wallace Subject: Re: Indexing a long manuscript ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > While CIndex and others are more appropriate for many people, to >catagorically condemn any tool, is to stand in the way of expanding this >profession. Not everyone just getting started in indexing can afford to >purchase professional software for their first project. They may choose to >trade time and flexibility for initial investment costs. Also, if one can >withstand the rigors of preparing a serious index on, say WP6.0, then they >will find real joy when moving up to more powerful software. > > Cheers. . . Or consider this case: I've been creating indexes for the past year using MS Word, because I'm a Mac-head and am patiently waiting for Cindex for the Mac. When I say "creating," I mean that I do the brainwork (which is what you have to do no matter what the software), and then I use my Mac like a ridiculously expensive typewriter. I don't embed codes at all--although I'm willing if someone wants to pay me to do that--just type it all up and format it. Now of course Cindex, once I get it, will save me oodles of time on formatting and sorting, but I have to agree that it only makes sense to buy something that expensive if you are committed to using it many times or if your dept. still has some money left at the end of the fiscal year. ;^) So for the original poster and others who are not yet in a position to buy the Caddie, here's what I do. 1. After I mark up one or two chapters' worth of page proof, I type up the entries in any old order. In order not to scatter the subentries (of an indented index) all over the place when I do a sort (in other words, I want to keep them linked to their main entries), I pick some little-used symbol and do this sort of thing: Apostrophe, 93-94@and contractions, 93@copyediting and proofreading symbol for, 37@key points, 107@single quotation mark vs., 38@use of in fiction, 252 (At the very end, I globally replace the @ symbol with a hard return and a tab set to whatever size I need.) 2. Then I do an automated sort (or whatever your favorite software calls it). 3. When I'm ready to enter the next chapter's worth, I enter 'em all at the *end* of the document so I can see 'em all together and not have to go zipping around the document too much. If I can see by the chapter heading or subheadings that a term I've already entered from a previous chapter will be needed heavily in the current chapter, I just move it to the bottom of the document with the rest. When I've made all the entries for the current chapter, I do a sort on the whole document again. 4. BTW, I also find it useful to print out every chapter or couple of chapters as I go along. 5. After all the chapters are entered but before I begin editing, I do a proper sort manually. Since I know the ASCII sort order, I'll have a pretty good idea what kinds of things will be out of order. However, I still sort, edit, and proofread V-E-R-Y carefully, usually reading aloud. If any of you who are, like me, limping along using word processing software to make indexes have other clever ways of making it more efficient, will you please share? Thanks. Carol Roberts rw16@cornell.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 12:27:31 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: K.Lyle@sheffield.ac.uk Subject: Re: Indexing a long manuscript ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > So for the original poster and others who are not yet in a position to buy > the Caddie, here's what I do ... > I did this sort of thing too before I bought Macrex. Truly it is NOT worth it, and unless you only do one index in a lifetime you are infinitely better off with dedicated software. That said, I realise that there is so far nothing available for Mac users - Cindex coming soon, I believe? My update to Macrex 6 (Windows version) arrived this morning. I'm looking forward to installing it and browsing through the even bigger manual. It's a pleasure to use, and I've never regretted the cost. ====================================================================== Kathleen M. Lyle Technical Editor, Applied Probability Trust, Hicks Building, The University, Sheffield S3 7RH, UK Phone +742 824269 Fax +742 729782 ====================================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 12:30:08 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: laura shoman Subject: Conf. Annoucement: Classification ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- ******Please send all inquiries to allerton@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu******** This announcment is being cross-posted to several lists. Please excuse the duplication. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Conference Announcement: Thirty-sixth Allerton Institute October 23-25, 1994 New Roles for Classification in Libraries and Information Networks Pauline Atherton Cochrane, Institute Organizer In 1959 the Allerton Institute focused on the Role of Classification in the Modern American Library. We will revisit that topic but with a broader perspective. In the intervening thirty-five years, the information landscape has been transformed. Library catalogs now often serve as gateways to larger information networks as well as to locally-mounted commercial bibliographic databases. Electronic texts are distributed on the Internet, and library users can now access a wide variety of resources from essentially anywhere in the world. Planned to follow the 1994 Annual Meeting of the American Society for Information Science, we invite to Allerton House librarians, classification researchers, and other information professionals who are interested in the organization of information within the context of this new environment. Some may question the role of traditional library classifications on these information networks, but few would question the need for some means of classification. The invited speakers will help us focus on new developments with classification schemes as well as research and management efforts to improve access. Just as the 1959 Allerton Institute brought library administrators, library science faculty, scholars, and information entrepreneurs together, we hope that the 1994 Institute will bring a diverse group together who can profit from the gathering. In addition to the presentation of thought-provoking addresses, roundtable discussions will give participants the opportunity to explore the issues in a less formal setting. The Conference Site Robert Allerton Park is located near Monticello, Illinois. It includes approximately 1,500 acres of woodland property, and Allerton House, a 20-room Georgian mansion. Conference activities will be held at Allerton House. The area near Allerton House provides conference participants with an opportunity to enjoy natural settings that include formal gardens and sculpture. Sponsored by the Graduate School of Library and Information Science University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Additional support provided by OCLC Forest Press. Program Sunday, October 23, 1994 3-5 Registration 5-6:30 Keynote Addresses: Lois Chan, Michael Gorman, Ingetraut Dahlberg, and Pat Molholt. Classification, present and future, as viewed by a teacher of library classification, two administrators, and a classification theorist. 6:30-8 Dinner 8-9 Cash Bar and Demonstration of Classification Systems Online. Monday, October 24, 1994 7:15-8:30 Breakfast Preparing Traditional Classifications for the Future 8:30 Dewey Decimal Classification, Joan S. Mitchell, Editor DDC 9:00 Universal Decimal Classification, Ia McIlwaine, Editor UDC 10:00 Library of Congress Classification, Rebecca Guenther & Jan Herd 10:50 National Library of Medicine Classification Christa Hoffman 11:30 Discussion Period 12:10-2 Lunch Critical Appraisal of the Use of Classification in the Future 2:00 Non-Traditional Uses of Classification. Panel members include: Clifford Lynch, Raya Fidel, D. Soergel, David Batty, Mary Micco, Susanne Humphrey 3:00 Roundtable Discussion with Library Administrators. Panel members include: Carol Mandel, Janet Swan Hill, Sharon Clark, Sarah Thomas, Bjorn Tell 4:00-4:20 Break 4:20-5:20 Classification in Libraries and Networks Abroad. Panel members include: Robert Fugmann, Tamara S. Goltvinskaya, Annelise Pejtersen, Hanne Albrechtsen, Ingetraut Dahlberg, Helen Jarvis, Julianne Beall, Branka Turkulin 5:30-7:00 Dinner 7:00 Researchers' Views on the Role of Classification. Panel members include: Raya Fidel, Barbara Kwasnik, Hemalata Iyer, Clare Beghtol, Brian Quinn, Karen Drabenstott, Timothy Craven, Rebecca Green, Francis Miksa 8:00 pm Cash Bar Tuesday, October 25, 1994 7:15-8:30 Breakfast 8:30 What Lies Ahead for Classification in Libraries? Views from: National Libraries: Sarah Thomas Special Libraries: W. Godert Research Libraries: Philip Bryant School Libraries: Eliza Dresang Public Libraries: Jan Ison 9:30 What Lies Ahead for Classification in Information Networks? Views from: U.S.: Elaine Svenonius Europe: Roland Hjerppe, Ia McIlwaine Canada: Nancy Williamson OCLC: Martin Dillon 10:30-10:50 Break 10:50 What May Be Needed to Improve the Role of Classification in the Future. Concluding Remarks by Marcia Bates and Pauline A. Cochrane 12 Noon Lunch GENERAL INFORMATION Registration: The total fee for the conference is $ 380 for registrations received by September 30. After that time, the fee will be $425. This fee includes registration for the Institute, lodging, and meals (dinner Sunday; breakfast, lunch, and dinner Monday; breakfast and lunch Tuesday). Also included are morning and afternoon refreshment breaks. Accommodations at Allerton Park and Conference Center are limited. Please register early to reserve your space. Walk-in registrations will not be accepted. Accommodations: Approximately one-half of the participants will stay in the main house at Allerton Park. 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To register by e-mail, allerton@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thirty-sixth Allerton Institute October 23-25, 1994 New Roles for Classification in Libraries and Information Networks Last name, First Name, Initial Title/Position Institution Address City, State Zip Business Phone: FAX: e-mail address: For purposes of room assignment, please indicate gender: F M If you would like to share accommodations with a particular individual(s), please specify name(s). List any special needs: Registration Fee: $380 by September 30 $425 after October 1 Method of Payment: Check enclosed, made payable to University of Illinois Charge to credit card: Visa or MasterCard Card # ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 12:33:38 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: maryann@mnrosdp.revisor.leg.state.mn.us Subject: Macrex users in Twin Cities area ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Is there anybody out there who lives in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area and is a regular and enthusiastic user of Macrex? The Twin Cities chapter of ASI is trying, belatedly, to get its annual meeting planned. We'd like to demo several stand-alone indexing systems. While we have several people who can show Cindex, we have just one person who knows anything about Macrex, but it's not her favorite and she doesn't claim to know all its ins and outs. If someone who knows Macrex well could be present at our meeting, do a short demo, and be willing to answer people's questions, that would help us serve people better. If there's someone who can help us, we would try to bend our schedule to meet that person's needs. If you can help, please reply to me privately. Thanks to all you list users, who are always generous with your time and knowledge. Maryann Corbett maryann.corbett@revisor.leg.state.mn.us ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 12:35:59 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Julius Ariail Subject: Index-L gopher archive ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- As broadcast a week or so ago in a preliminary format, the Index-L listserv archives and other indexing-related information documents are now available in a gopher maintained by Georgia Southern University. To access this gopher, point your gopher client to this address: informer.cc.gasou.edu If you do not have access to a local gopher client, you may telnet to this address: gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu (login as INFO, choose Gopher on the main menu) Within major lists of gophers (All the Gopher Servers in the World), this gopher is listed as "Georgia Southern University." The Index-L area on this gopher may be found within this directory structure: Henderson Library Assistance to Professional Organizations Index-L About Index-L About the Henderson Library and Index-L Documents for Indexers ANSI-NISO Z39.4-199X, 9-15-93 Events of Interest to Indexers Index-L FAQ Index-L Listserv Archives 1992 1993 1994 Organizations for Indexers American Society of Indexers Australian Society of Indexers Indexing and Abstracting Society of Canada Society of Indexers Although the directory structure is fairly well established, I am adding material within the various areas on a continuous basis. Those establishing gopher bookmarks to this location may want to stop at the "Index-L" level, since the exact title terms of the lower directories may be revised from time to time. The listserv archives are currently in monthly clusters (except for June 1994, where they will be made available in weekly clusters from listserv@bingvmb from now on). I intend to break up the existing monthly groups into weekly groups later this summer to facilitate a WAIS keyword searching program. I appreciate the cooperation of Charlotte Skuster (for transferring the archives and consulting in the whole process) and of Prof. James Anderson (for assistance with the next of the NISO draft). As Dr. Anderson correctly noted to me, the gopherized draft document has since gone through some minor editorial and typographical corrections and changes, and is no longer current. However, as a major text for indexing standards, it's the most recent document available in electronic form. Although Charlotte and Dr. Anderson have been most helpful, neither is responsible for any errors I may have made in gopherizing all of this material. (I'm a novice gophermeister, but willing to learn.) I'm aware that this gopher site is not an "official" element of ASI or any other indexing organization or publication, and I hope nobody infers that from anything contained in this message or the gopher site. This is just a voluntary effort on my part in cooperation with the GSU computer center to assist Index-L (where the listserv archive site has limited storage space) and to throw in some other interesting index-related information as well. Other librarians at GSU will be developing other nearby gopher areas to assist their own professional organizations or interests in the future. Suggestions, comments, corrections are welcome at any time, and may be sent to me at the address below. Julius - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Julius Ariail, Director of Libraries Georgia Southern University solibja@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu Box 8074 (912) 681-5115 (voice) -5034 (fax) Statesboro, GA 30460 USA "Save the time of the reader." -- Ranganathan ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 11:16:49 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Armando Ruiz Reyna Subject: IV INTERNATIONAL BOOK FAIR MONTERREY '94 ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- IV INTERNATIONAL BOOK FAIR MONTERREY '94 The 4th International Book Fair Monterrey '94 is organized by the Instituto Tecnologico y de Estudios Superiores de Monterrey. This event gathers more than 400 publishing houses from Mexico and 18 countries from America, Europe and Asia. It's main goal is to promote reading as cultural habit in the northern regions of Mexico an the southern USA. This year the Fair will take place from October 8th to the 16th; 345 booth will be installed within an exhibition area of 61,890 sq-ft. Several cultural events will be programmed during the exhibition. These events incude discussion groups, book presentations, lectures, musical concerts, movies, etc. We are inviting to particpate in this event to which more than 70,000 people are expected to attend. This exhibition will contribute to the cultural development of our nations. If you are interested in participating as exhibitor and need more information call us. We are ready to help in any way we can. +----------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ | Armando Ruiz-Reyna | Phones: | | Feria Internacional del Libro de | Voice (52)(8)359-9623 | | Monterrey/Biblioteca Electronica | (52)(8)358-2000 ext 4025, 4026 | | Centro de Informacion-Biblioteca | Fax (52)(8)359-9623 (ask for tone) | | ITESM-Campus Monterrey | Electronic Mail: | | Suc. Correos "J" 64849 | Internet: aruiz@mtecv2.mty.itesm.mx | | Monterrey, N.L. Mexico | | +----------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 11:19:20 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paula Presley Subject: Re: Cindex on Mac In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of FRI 24 JUN 1994 12:13:57 CDT ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- On the discussion re "Long Manuscript" several mentioned Cindex on Mac. I asked the same question last year, and an Index-L person was nice enough to tell me about a software product called "Universal Soft PC." It creates a DOS partition (you select the size) on your Mac. Then you run your DOS s/w as you would in any other DOS machine. Cindex (5 and 6) work great with this. No problems in over a year of use. By the way, won't the new "power" Macs handle Cindex6--or any other DOS application? So, do we need a "true" Mac version. (Yes, I'd like a "true" Mac version--it would use my whole screen (24") instead of the std. size I get with Soft PC) R. V. Schnucker, Prof. Religion & History Northeast Missouri State Univ Dir., Thomas Jefferson Univ. Press Managing Editor and Book Review Editor, 16th Century Journal LB 115 NMSU, Kirksville MO 63501 USA Phone (816) 785-4665 FAX (816) 785-4181 Bitnet: SS18@NEMOMUS Internet: SS18%NEMOMUS@academic.nemostate.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 09:55:27 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: bob wallace Subject: Re: Cindex on Mac ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >By the way, won't the new "power" Macs handle Cindex6--or any other DOS >application? So, do we need a "true" Mac version. (Yes, I'd like a >"true" Mac version--it would use my whole screen (24") instead of the >std. size I get with Soft PC) I for one would rather buy the software (i.e., Cindex for the Mac) than a whole new computer! Besides Universal Soft PC, there's also PC Access, or something like that, for people who want to go that route. Cheers, Carol Roberts rw16@cornell.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 09:55:50 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paula Presley Subject: Re[2]: Cindex on Mac In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of SAT 25 JUN 1994 10:40:42 CDT ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- ...OOPS! I see that I've inadvertently written messages over our press director's name. (I couldn't access my e-mailbox in the normal way, and so used the press director's email facility to access my own box. While there, I responded to Index-L. But the mail is signed R. V. Schnucker) Don't send any replies to him...he didn't write the message!!! I did...sorry about the confusion. Paula Presley Assoc. Editor, The Thomas Jefferson University Press Copy Editor, The Sixteenth Century Journal Northeast Missouri State University McClain Hall 111L Kirksville, MO 63501 (816) 785-4525 FAX (816) 785-4181 Bitnet: AD15@NEMOMUS Internet: AD15%NEMOMUS@Academic.NEMOState.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 10:06:57 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paula Presley Subject: Re[2]: Indexing a long manuscript In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of FRI 24 JUN 1994 12:13:57 CDT ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- In all this discussion "RE LONG MANUSCRIPT", we've given our opinion about how to go about indexing--from good advice on what to read to good advice on what tools to use. But, it just occurred to me that the query was "re long MANUSCRIPT". If the thing is still in the MS stage, don't even waste your time unlessyou are building a thesaurus of sorts for the indexer. I say this from experience. I am working on a 15 vol. series for which the general editors thought that a grad student (ABD) with a subject knowledge would be the best indexer. The poor fellow put electronic markers in the WordPerfect disk ... thinking I could produce an index from it. I looked at what he had done....not good. After several letters back and forth and my advice on what he should read, he finally produced a list of words that he thinks I should use for subject headings. As I examined it, I saw that nearly every one of his entries are words that any indexer worth his or her salt would have picked up. SO, THE QUESTION OCCURRED TO ME: Are you trying to make an "index" from the MANUSCRIPT, before it has gone into production? --It can't be done! But, you can get a good idea of what you will index after the book is produced. Good luck R. V. Schnucker, Prof. Religion & History Northeast Missouri State Univ Dir., Thomas Jefferson Univ. Press Managing Editor and Book Review Editor, 16th Century Journal LB 115 NMSU, Kirksville MO 63501 USA Phone (816) 785-4665 FAX (816) 785-4181 Bitnet: SS18@NEMOMUS Internet: SS18%NEMOMUS@academic.nemostate.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 15:28:53 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Julius Ariail Subject: Index-L gopher site back up ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The Index-L gopher site at INFORMER.CC.GASOU.EDU was held incommunicado from Saturday noon until 2 pm today following a Saturday lightning strike on a major Internet relay facility in Savannah, GA. We're back online now. Julius - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Julius Ariail, Director of Libraries Georgia Southern University solibja@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu Box 8074 (912) 681-5115 (voice) -5034 (fax) Statesboro, GA 30460 USA "Save the time of the reader." -- Ranganathan ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 09:10:33 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: HairyLarry@aol.com Subject: Re: Cindex on Mac ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Concerning CINDEX, PowerPC, SoftPC and AccessPC: The Power Macintosh runs DOS and Windows software using the Insignia Solutions SoftPC (or SoftWindows) software, just like other Macs. It is considerably faster doing so, however. AccessPC is a different product, also from Insignia Solutions, which provides desktop DOS disk access to those who need data but not software simulation. My Centris 610 using SoftPC runs about like a 386SX on DOS text-mode programs like CINDEX. Hope this helps. Larry Harrison Harrylarry@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 09:10:58 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ian Odgers Subject: Indexing societies ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The e-mail address for the Australian Society of Indexers (AusSI) is aussi@isb.csiro.au and that for the American Society of Indexers (ASI) is asi@well.sf.ca.us Does anyone know of any e-mail contact addresses for: The Society of Indexers (UK) and The Indexing and Abstracting Society of Canada? Thank you Ian Odgers Hon. Secretary AusSI