Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:44:57 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@CompuServe.COM> Subject: CEUs ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- U've been approached by a university that wants me to offer one Continuing Education Unit (CEU) for my 2-day Indexing Workshop, and I'm wondering whether it would make my course more marketable. Any thoughts? When you attend a seminar or workshop, does it matter to you whether or not you can get a CEU for attending (and successfully completing)? Lori Lathrop ---------> INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com Lathrop Media Services Georgetown, CO 80444 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 16:37:47 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Re: CEUs In-Reply-To: <9403231850.AA02989@carson.u.washington.edu> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Speaking personally, the c.e. credit wouldn't matter. But I can envision other scenarios where it would be a real selling point. For instance, certified medical librarians (which I'm not) have to have a certain number of CEUs every five years to maintain certification. (Yes, MLA members, I know that the terminology has changed!) And teachers and others also need formal credit to satisfy employers. So I would consider it a definite asset in marketing the course. Carolyn Weaver Bellevue, Wa. e-mail: cweaver@u.washington.edu voice: 206/930-4348 On Wed, 23 Mar 1994, Lori Lathrop wrote: > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > U've been approached by a university that wants me to offer one Continuing > Education Unit (CEU) for my 2-day Indexing Workshop, and I'm wondering > whether it would make my course more marketable. Any thoughts? When you > attend a seminar or workshop, does it matter to you whether or not you can > get a CEU for attending (and successfully completing)? > > Lori Lathrop ---------> INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com > Lathrop Media Services > Georgetown, CO 80444 > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 16:38:18 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: maryann@mnrosdp.revisor.leg.state.mn.us Subject: Re: CEUs In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 23 Mar 94 13:44:57 +0700." ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- What does "continuing education" precisely mean in the licensing law of your state? Many forms of professional licensing require the prospective licensee or re-licensee to accrue a certain number of continuing education credits. Usu- ally a course is pre-approved by the appropriate licensing board as good for a certain number of credits. For example, I've taught things that were approved for continuing legal education credit. If the CEUs for your course are good for somebody's professional license, they've got to be much more marketable for those folks. But which folks are those? Could we hear more about what CEUs mean to people where you are? Maryann Corbett ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- U've been approached by a university that wants me to offer one Continuing Education Unit (CEU) for my 2-day Indexing Workshop, and I'm wondering whether it would make my course more marketable. Any thoughts? When you attend a seminar or workshop, does it matter to you whether or not you can get a CEU for attending (and successfully completing)? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 16:39:01 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Joanna F. Fountain" Subject: Re: CEUs In-Reply-To: <199403231954.AA12831@formby.tenet.edu> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- We recently stopped offering CEU credit for our workshops. Although I don't know the history of that, I can say that some people did attend for that reason when they were going to derive some benefit from that in their home state or institution. As a presenter, it creates a time constraint: one must carry on for the full amount of specified time. My workshops involve cataloging - a tedious subject to keep one's mind on for that long when there is a lot of new material. I personally am grateful not to have to present 6 full hours of content on my topic, and at the mostly-lecture level. (Not to mention that the hour or so after lunch is absolutely challenging!) One person's views -- Joanna Fountain, GSLIS, The University of Texas at Austin On Wed, 23 Mar 1994, Lori Lathrop wrote: > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > U've been approached by a university that wants me to offer one Continuing > Education Unit (CEU) for my 2-day Indexing Workshop, and I'm wondering > whether it would make my course more marketable. Any thoughts? When you > attend a seminar or workshop, does it matter to you whether or not you can > get a CEU for attending (and successfully completing)? > > Lori Lathrop ---------> INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com > Lathrop Media Services > Georgetown, CO 80444 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 16:39:36 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Georgianna Subject: Re: CEUs In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 23 Mar 1994 13:44:57 ECT from <76620.456@CompuServe.COM> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I like to get my CEUs. They put an OFFICIAL stamp on the work and I have found that employers like that, particularly when they are paying for the course. When the employer isn't paying for the course, I still find the OFFICIAL stamp useful. Right now, for instance, I'm earning 18 CEUs a year in theology, which is wildly unrelated to my profession...well, okay, there was that little music index...but the CEUs mean that the work goes on my Faculty Activity Report, and so counts for tenure. Georgianna Henry University of Mississippi ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 15:25:11 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Vacca Subject: Re: CEUs ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Lori Lathrop writes: >U've been approached by a university that wants me to offer one Continuing >Education Unit (CEU) for my 2-day Indexing Workshop, and I'm wondering >whether it would make my course more marketable. Any thoughts? When you >attend a seminar or workshop, does it matter to you whether or not you can >get a CEU for attending (and successfully completing)? > Hi Lori. I taught a two-day continuing education program on indexing technical materials through the engineering department at the Univ of Wisconsin for several years. No students ever told us they were there for the CEUs (we granted 1.2 CEUs for the course). This could just be Wisconsin Engineering, though---there aren't enough courses in technical communication to grant a certificate. In other cases, and maybe in yours, there's a program of study to follow, and the end product is a certificate that states you've completed that program. So maybe a good question to ask is whther your workshop is part of a bigger picture. --Dick Vacca American Society for Quality Control 611 East Wisconsin Ave Milwaukee, WI 53201 414-272-8575 x7406 414-272-1734 (fax) Internet: dvacca@macc.wisc.edu America Online: richv001 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 15:25:43 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: AnnMarie Mitchell Subject: Re: CEUs In-Reply-To: <9403232141.AA07921@library.Berkeley.EDU> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I agree that it could be a selling point. My private comment was that often a course will cost a bit more for those wishing CEU status, and the requirements may even be higher for such people. Others who teach indexing courses, like Nancy Mulvany, and professors with experience teaching in professional programs --note the careful omission of any name for what we used to call "schools of library science"-- will doubtless have particularly valuable insights to contribute. AnnMarie Mitchell University of California (Berkeley) P.S. Our Library School is not dead; it's to be reconstituted into a school of information studies and systems. The details and curriculum are now being worked on. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 15:26:12 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Nancy C. Mulvany" Subject: CEUs ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- RE: CEUs for an Indexing Workshop CEUs are meaningful only in relation to the body or agency that approves them. Who would approve CEUs in indexing? Clearly, the obvious group to bestow approval is the American Society of Indexers. To my knowledge ASI has none of the procedures in place which would allow it sanction -- or not sanction -- CEU approval for particular session. In my mind, academic credit is far more meaningful. I have dealt with three educational institutions over the years to set up indexing courses with academic credit. It is a very rigorous process. Students who complete these courses can say "I completed a 3 semester unit course in indexing through the XYZ's Library School or Dept. of Information Management." At the moment indexing is not a government-regulated profession. So, what's the point of CEUs? I just completed an index to an adult education/continuing education course catalog. There were LOTS of course approved by various agencies for continuing education credit. This is big business. However, I can't think of one course that was not related to a profession that requires licensing in the State of California. It would never occur to me to get CEU-approval for my indexing course that is offered in California. It wouldn't mean anything! -nancy Nancy Mulvany ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 15:26:41 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Norm Howden Subject: Re: CEUs ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Lori, CEU's are helpful in some areas, such as medical librarianship, where the folks need them to show they are still current. Some of the people who work for government agencies like to get CEU certificates to prove that the cost is worthwhile when they submit vouchers. Norm +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | Norman Howden | | | | School of Library and Information Sciences | | University of North Texas | | howden@lis.unt.edu (817) 565-2760 | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 15:25:29 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Thanks ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Thanks to all who responded (privately and on INDEX-L) to my question on CEUs. The results were mixed -- about 60% who said CEUs were important to them and roughly 40% who said CEUs were not a factor in their decision on whether or not to take an indexing workshop. However, the 60% who said CEUs mattered to them (or to their companies) had some fairly convincing arguments, so I'm giving it more serious consideration. Thanks again for your feedback. Lori Lathrop ----------> INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com Lathrop Media Services Georgetown, CO 80444 =========================================================================