Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 11:56:46 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Eileen Allen Subject: test, please ignore testing 1 2 3 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 12:39:50 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pauline Cochrane Subject: Re: query on choosing size of a controlled vocabulary In-Reply-To: <9405241939.AA26507@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- According to Fugmann in his new book, Subject Analysis and Indexing, size is not as important as order in the index file and in the vocabulary. You are right to use MeSH as an example of useful structure. Wish that all subject fields lent themselves to this kind of "concept analysis". As I am teaching indexing and abstracting after many years absent from the field, I find the new problems with electronic and print files fascinating. Up until the 1980s it was the printed version that dictated what we did when there was a choice. Now it is the electronic version. Unfortunately in the latter versions we have not yet built in the structure one can see from the thesaurus categories or hierarchies. Do any of you know of systems that do this well and graphically? Years ago Michael Keen studied the use of printed index and found among other things what we knew who had done encyclopedia indexing, etc. One column of entries is about all that can be tolerated without a break. Hence subdivisions. Specificity of indexing is another matter, but page makeup was accommodated, sometimes at the last minute, by subdivisions. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 16:15:29 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X From: Etta Russell Subject: Thesaurus Management Software ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- We are in the process of looking for thesaurus software to handle a fairly large (my guess is about 5,000) body of terms. Can anyone recommend a thesaurus development/management software that you enjoy using? By the same token, it would helpful to hear comments about features you wish your software had. I would especially like to know things like field size limitations, automatic generation of reciprocal relationships, updating capability, and cost (if you know it). Thanks for any help. Etta Russell Automated Historical Archives Fort Leavenworth, Kansas E-Mail: russele1@leav-emh.army.mil ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 16:15:59 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "LINDER, ELLIOTT" Subject: Re[2]: query on choosing size of a controlled vocabulary ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Will the sender of the message below please identify his/herself. Elliott Linder NASA STI Program/Information International Associates elinder@sti.nasa.gov ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: query on choosing size of a controlled vocabulary Author: "Indexer's Discussion Group" at CCMGATE Date: 5/25/94 13:23 ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- According to Fugmann in his new book, Subject Analysis and Indexing, size is not as important as order in the index file and in the vocabulary. You are right to use MeSH as an example of useful structure. Wish that all subject fields lent themselves to this kind of "concept analysis". As I am teaching indexing and abstracting after many years absent from the field, I find the new problems with electronic and print files fascinating. Up until the 1980s it was the printed version that dictated what we did when there was a choice. Now it is the electronic version. Unfortunately in the latter versions we have not yet built in the structure one can see from the thesaurus categories or hierarchies. Do any of you know of systems that do this well and graphically? Years ago Michael Keen studied the use of printed index and found among other things what we knew who had done encyclopedia indexing, etc. One column of entries is about all that can be tolerated without a break. Hence subdivisions. Specificity of indexing is another matter, but page makeup was accommodated, sometimes at the last minute, by subdivisions. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 May 1994 16:18:24 ECT Reply-To: Medical Libraries Discussion List Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "d. lawless" Subject: internet access From the moderator: This might be of interest to some of you. I will add this information to the FAQ. Charlotte ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- for alternative access to the internet, you might look at the following: article in PC Magazine v.13 #5, March 14, 1994 p.112-158. Cover story "Making on-line services work for you" compares in Consumer Reports format with filled in circles 5 services: America Online, CompuServe, Dow Jones News/Retrieval, GEnie, and Prodigy. There is also a book called "Connecting to the Internet : a buyer's guide" by Susan Estrada, published by O'Reilly & Assoc. 1993. A partial table of contents includes: Selecting dial-up connections; Public dialup internet access; and internet access provider list. I have not actually seen a copy of this to say how much help it is. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 10:38:31 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pauline Cochrane Subject: Re: Re[2]: query on choosing size of a controlled vocabulary In-Reply-To: <9405252130.AA01558@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Pauline Atherton Cochrane, Visiting Professor, Univ. of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign. On Wed, 25 May 1994, LINDER, ELLIOTT wrote: > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > Will the sender of the message below please identify > his/herself. > > Elliott Linder > NASA STI Program/Information International Associates > elinder@sti.nasa.gov > > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _______________________________ __ > Subject: Re: query on choosing size of a controlled vocabulary > Author: "Indexer's Discussion Group" at > CCMGATE > Date: 5/25/94 13:23 > > > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > According to Fugmann in his new book, Subject Analysis and Indexing, size > is not as important as order in the index file and in the vocabulary. > You are right to use MeSH as an example of useful structure. Wish that > all subject fields lent themselves to this kind of "concept analysis". > > As I am teaching indexing and abstracting after many years absent from > the field, I find the new problems with electronic and print files > fascinating. Up until the 1980s it was the printed version that dictated > what we did when there was a choice. Now it is the electronic version. > Unfortunately in the latter versions we have not yet built in the > structure one can see from the thesaurus categories or hierarchies. Do > any of you know of systems that do this well and graphically? > > Years ago Michael Keen studied the use of printed index and found among > other things what we knew who had done encyclopedia indexing, etc. One > column of entries is about all that can be tolerated without a break. > Hence subdivisions. Specificity of indexing is another matter, but page > makeup was accommodated, sometimes at the last minute, by subdivisions. > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 10:40:06 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kate McCain Subject: Re: Thesaurus Management Software In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 25 May 1994 16:15:29 ECT from ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Jessica Milstead has published a pair of articles on thesaurus software in, as I recall, Information PRocessing & Management. Don't have the refs to hand right now, but they should be findable. No preferences offered -- butyou might find one that fills your needs. Kate McCain College of Information Studies Drexel University mccainkw@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 10:55:18 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: ORLANDO@ac.dal.ca Subject: CINDEX ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I am a new indexer, and would like to experiment with CINDEX. Can anyone tell me of a supplier in Nova Scotia or Ontario? Is better software available? Thanks everyone, have learned alot from this discussion list. Ann Smith, Halifax. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 13:40:01 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Walker, Alvin" Subject: Re: Thesaurus Management Softwa ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Jessica Milstead published an article in DATABASE, 1990, Pages 61-65, on available thesaurus management software packages for personal computers. THis may give you some idea of the number of packages that are available, and at least point you in the right direction. Alvin Walker, Jr. Editor, Thesaurus of Psychological Index Terms PsycINFO Database *********Original Message Follows******************************************** ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- We are in the process of looking for thesaurus software to handle a fairly large (my guess is about 5,000) body of terms. Can anyone recommend a thesaurus development/management software that you enjoy using? By the same token, it would helpful to hear comments about features you wish your software had. I would especially like to know things like field size limitations, automatic generation of reciprocal relationships, updating capability, and cost (if you know it). Thanks for any help. Etta Russell Automated Historical Archives Fort Leavenworth, Kansas E-Mail: russele1@leav-emh.army.mil *********End of Original Message******************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 13:40:40 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paula Presley Subject: Re: CINDEX In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of THU 26 MAY 1994 10:05:32 CDT ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- You can't go wrong with Cindex--and ver. 6.0 is even better. If I were you I'd call Cindex folks at INdexing Research (they make it): 716-461-5530 (or FAX 716-442-3924) and ask for prices and how to get a demo disk; they can give you details for all suppliers, etc. Paula Presley Assoc. Editor, The Thomas Jefferson University Press Copy Editor, The Sixteenth Century Journal Northeast Missouri State University McClain Hall 111L Kirksville, MO 63501 (816) 785-4525 FAX (816) 785-4181 Bitnet: AD15@NEMOMUS Internet: AD15%NEMOMUS@Academic.NEMOState.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 13:41:03 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Noam Kaminer Subject: Re: Re[2]: query on choosing size of a controlled vocabulary In-Reply-To: <9405261440.AA15542@info.Berkeley.EDU> from "Pauline Cochrane" at May 26, 94 10:38:31 am ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I don't know if it much of a help but way back in 64 Wall and Houston developed a formula for the relation between vocabulary size and index size. the citations are: Houston, N., & Wall, E. (1964) The distribution of term usage in manipulative in dexes. American documentation, 15(2), 105-114. and Wall E. (1964) Further Implications of distribution of index term usage. In Amer ican Documentation Institute Proceedings. Parameters of Information Science 1. p p.457-466. Noam Kaminer In the School of Library and Information Studies U.C. Berkeley. =========================================================================