From LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.eduFri Aug 25 10:59:25 1995 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 10:55:15 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB To: Julius Ariail Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9506A" ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:23:21 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@compuserve.com> Subject: ASI Colorado Chapter Meeting ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The next meeting of the Colorado chapter of the American Society of Indexers will be an opportunity for us to get to know each other better and to get a tour of the new Denver Public Library. Here's the scoop: DATE: Saturday, June 17, 1995 TIME: 10:00 a.m. - Board Meeting (all invited) 11:00 a.m. - Tour of new Denver Public Library!!! Noon - General meeting PLACE: 4th Floor Meeting Room, Denver Central Public Library 10 West 14th Avenue Parkway, Denver, Colorado PARKING: $2.25 (all day), 13th & Broadway FOOD: Bring your sack lunch & beverage TOPICS: '95 ASI Annual Conference experiences '95 ASI Annual Conference ideas for workshops, roundtable discussions, local speakers 1995 Rocky Mountain Fall Indexing Conference ideas Schmoozing! Looking forward to seeing ASI members and anyone else interested in indexing .... Lori Lathrop Chair - ASI Colorado Chapter ************************************************************************* Lori Lathrop ----------> INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com Lathrop Media Services, P.O. Box 3065, Idaho Springs, CO 80452 Home Office: 303-567-4011 / Home Phone: 303-567-9533 ************************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:23:51 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kari Bero Subject: indexer's in fiction In-Reply-To: <199505311842.NAA11487@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I just had a neat idea: let's get a list of fictional works about indexers onto the (currently unofficial) ASI web page. We can make it a bonus at the end of our indexing bibliography. Anyone know of a title we could include? How about including plot synopses, so we know what we're getting into? -Kari Bero Bero-West Indexing Services Seattle, WA bero@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:25:02 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan WinerSlavin Subject: WTB Used indexing s/w ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hello, I am new to indexing, and so far I am thrilled to have "discovered" it. I've been enjoying the exchanges on this list very much for the last couple of weeks, and I'm looking forward to my first paid indexing job. Meanwhile, it's fun to practice. I learned indexing at a workshop with a friend. He has a DOS machine (but currently no access to the net) and is wondering whether anyone on the list might have used software that they'd like to sell. He was thinking that someone who started with a "low-end" program and had upgraded to something more substantial might have some old disks gathering dust somewhere. Anything inexpensive for a beginner would be terrific. (I've just invested in something for my Macintosh.) Please reply to me, and I'll pass your mail on to him. Thanks in advance, Susan --- Just my opinions. Susan Winer Slavin wavin@world.std.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 11:18:41 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jeff Finlay, NYU" Organization: St. Peter's College, US Subject: Re: indexer's in fiction ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > I just had a neat idea: let's get a list of fictional works about indexers > onto the (currently unofficial) ASI web page. We can make it a bonus at > the end of our indexing bibliography. Anyone know of a title we could > include? How about Bartleby the Indexer? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 11:20:20 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Alex Subject: Computer-assisted instruction in indexing? In-Reply-To: <199506020207.DAA01370@lune.csc.liv.ac.uk> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Can anyone direct me to a list of available indexing software? Also, I am particularly interested in computer-assisted instruction for indexing. There must be such packages? The reason I ask is that I am thinking of taking the open learning course offered by the Society of Indexers in the UK. The course is book-based. Ideally, I would like a course that would run on my 486 PC under MSDOS or Windows. Thanks. ************************************* *Alexander John Birchall * *Department of Computer Science * *Liverpool University * *Liverpool L69 3BX * *England * * * *Tel: +44 151 726 0221 * *Email: alex@csc.liv.ac.uk * * * ************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 11:20:43 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: WTB Used indexing s/w ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Welcome, Susan. At the risk of being a wet blanket, I just wanted to point out that selling software in that way is often illegal. You have to read the shrinkwrap agreements. This is not to say you'll get caught if you do it, but I just thought you ought to know. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | Life is good. Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | Milwaukee, WI | ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 11:20:59 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Re: indexer's in fiction In-Reply-To: <9506020030.AA26099@carson.u.washington.edu> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The Index to the Oversoul plays a key role in Orson Scott Card's s-f trilogy, _Homecoming_. The Oversoul is the omniscient computer which has guided human development on the planet Harmony for millions of years. Then parts of the Index [i.e., directory] to the Oversoul are lost, and the Oversoul realizes that it has no access to significant parts of its memory. The three books in the trilogy follow the Oversoul's efforts to return to Earth to restore/repair its index. The first three books (I think a fourth one has been released as well) are: The Memory of Earth (1992) The Call of Earth (1993) The Ships of Earth (1994) Carolyn Weaver Bellevue, Wa. e-mail: cweaver@u.washington.edu voice: 206/930-4348 On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Kari Bero wrote: > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > I just had a neat idea: let's get a list of fictional works about indexers > onto the (currently unofficial) ASI web page. We can make it a bonus at > the end of our indexing bibliography. Anyone know of a title we could > include? How about including plot synopses, so we know what we're > getting into? > > -Kari Bero > Bero-West Indexing Services > Seattle, WA > bero@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 11:21:17 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Hazel Blumberg-McKee Subject: Re: indexers in fiction In-Reply-To: <9506020123.AA06438@symnet.net> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Kari Bero wrote: > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > let's get a list of fictional works about indexers > onto the (currently unofficial) ASI web page. We can make it a bonus at > the end of our indexing bibliography. Anyone know of a title we could > include? I wish I had a specific title, but Barbara Pym's works frequently contained indexers. I recommend *all* of her books! Hazel Hazel Blumberg-McKee (hazelcb@symnet.net) "Books make sense of life. The only problem is that the lives they make sense of are . . . never your own." Julian Barnes ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 11:21:34 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey Subject: Re: indexer's in fiction ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >I just had a neat idea: let's get a list of fictional works about indexers >onto the (currently unofficial) ASI web page. We can make it a bonus at >the end of our indexing bibliography. Anyone know of a title we could >include? How about including plot synopses, so we know what we're >getting into? > > -Kari Bero > Bero-West Indexing Services > Seattle, WA > bero@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu > Not exactly about an indexer, but Nabokov's *Pale Fire* has a 'joke' index, allegedly prepared by the (slightly unhinged) narrator of the book. Along the same lines is the index to A Dictionary of the Khazars and (...something I can't remember...), which achieved momentary fame a few years back by coming out in two editions, one for men and one for women, with only one paragraph of difference between them. Neither edition made very much sense, though. I would be happy to chase these books up and expand on the synopses if the idea goes ahead. Hope this helps Jonathan Jonathan Jermey & Glenda Browne Blaxland NSW Australia 061-47-398-199 jonathan@magna.com.au ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 11:21:58 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Neva J. Smith" Subject: Re: indexer's in fiction ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Kari and index-l-ers, In the current _Indexer_ there is a snippit on page 183 from Crewe's _Mad About Bees_. Perhaps we can obtain permission to reprint this, and the other(s) referred to. Au Revoir- Neva > = - * - = < = > = - * - = < = > = - * - = < = > = - * - = < = Neva J. Smith, MLIS DataSmiths Information Services PO Box 2157 / Round Rock, TX 78680 email: njsmith@bga.com voice: (512) 244-2767 Editor, _Library Currents_ PO Box 2199 / Round Rock, TX 78680 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 11:23:48 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Arki777@aol.com Subject: Computer Program information ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I looking to find out about the computer programs available to help the indexer in their efforts. If any one knows of a good one please respond. Thanks.. Cindy DeGraffenried ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 16:00:45 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jeff Finlay, NYU" Organization: St. Peter's College, US Subject: Re: indexer's in fiction ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > Not exactly about an indexer, but Nabokov's *Pale Fire* has a 'joke' index, > allegedly prepared by the (slightly unhinged) narrator of the book. Well, since we're on the "not strictly relevant but..." line, I can tell the story about indexing that always remains in my mind. In 1983 I stayed for several months in the home of a Connecticut professor, a really remarkable, wonderful and generous man, and also an unpredictable eccentric (if that's not an oxymoron). Well, one day he came home and was delighted to find a publisher had sent him a package of books from an edition he had finished recently. He tore open the package and leafed through the first volume. Immediately he became very agitated, his hands started to shake and his eyes became filled with rage. He uttered some epithet under his breath and then raced upstairs where a few minutes later he was heard pounding away on his typewriter. He came back down twenty minutes later still very agitated. What had happened was that the edition had been dedicated to his mother, recently deceased, and the publisher, in his wisdom, had chosen not to give a dedication page all to itself. Instead he had put the dedication in with the ISBN publication data on the obverse of the title page. It was this that had put my friend into such a state--and one had to admit that the positioning of the dedication in the book was in remarkably poor taste, given its intended sentiment. My friend had written a letter to the publisher. I don't remember the exact words, but he was calling for the publisher's head, the recall of the edition, and that the dedication page be "expunged, deleted, expurgated, obliterated, defenestrated, effaced," etc. Well, the upshot of this story is, a few weeks later I was talking to my friend and I hazarded to ask him about his experience with the publisher, which I'd not dared to mention since that terrible night. He was very calm about it. It turned out that he had been partly responsible for the situation insofar as he had forgotten how much space was allowed for the index and had gone over the limit; the publisher, faced with such a choice, forewent the luxury of a dedication page and acted accordingly. Sensible indexers will easily see the moral of this story, I think. Jeff ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 16:01:03 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Computer Program information ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- You wrote: > >----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >I looking to find out about the computer programs available to help the >indexer in their efforts. If any one knows of a good one please respond. >Thanks.. Cindy DeGraffenried > Check out "A Guide to Indexing Software" by Linda Fetters. It evaluates six PC-based indexing programs. Available from the ASI, $10 for members, $15 for non-members. ASI phone: 512-749-4052 Dick Evans ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:49:13 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Daveream@aol.com Subject: ficitional indexes ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- This is more of a challenge for someone to undertake, not something that exists. There is a novel by Georges Perec entitled "A Void". It is interesting because it was written in French without the use of the letter "e"! An Englishman, Gilbert Adair, has translated it into English again without utilizing the letter "e" (think about that for a minute). No who wants to index it without using any e's? Dave Ream ps. If any home page (ASI?) builders are interested I have a collection of some 6 or more cartoons all referring to indexers. I use these when I give presentations. I'd be glad to get copies if someone wants to get permissions to put them on the net. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:54:07 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dwight Walker Subject: comparisons of WWW, gopher and WAIS ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I found this snippet in the HTML Writers Guild home page: The HTML Writers Guild has quickly grown to a membership of over 800 people. This can generate lots of email, very quickly. With this in mind, we would request that if you have an HTML question, the first place to look is in the WWW FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) at: The second place to look at is the Guild's home page or mirrors at: The third place to look is in the Guild's own FAQ at: This is a starting point. There are comparisons of different WWW browsers and sources for them. Cheers Dwight DownUnder ---------------------------------------------------------- Dwight Walker dwalker@zeta.org.au +61-2-3986726 (h) +61-2-4393750 (w) W-F Home Page: http://www.zeta.org.au/~dwalker ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:54:22 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Alex Subject: Computer-assisted instruction in indexing? ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I am particularly interested in computer-assisted instruction for indexing. There must be such packages? The reason I ask is that I am thinking of taking the open learning course offered by the Society of Indexers in the UK. The course is book-based. Ideally, I would like a course that would run on my 486 PC under MSDOS or Windows. Thanks. ************************************* *Alexander John Birchall * *Department of Computer Science * *Liverpool University * *Liverpool L69 3BX * *England * * * *Tel: +44 151 726 0221 * *Email: alex@csc.liv.ac.uk * * * ************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:54:34 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan WinerSlavin Subject: Used indexing s/w: legal issues In-Reply-To: Carol Roberts's message of Mon, 5 Jun 1995 11:20:43 ECT <199506051715.AA07562@world.std.com> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 11:20:43 ECT From: Carol Roberts ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Welcome, Susan. Thank you! At the risk of being a wet blanket, I just wanted to point out that selling software in that way is often illegal. You have to read the shrinkwrap agreements. This is not to say you'll get caught if you do it, but I just thought you ought to know. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | Life is good. Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | Milwaukee, WI | Yes, of course my friend would only be interested in purchasing used software that is legally available for sale. He is not looking for an earlier version of an application that has since been upgraded, for example. He is looking for a program that someone is no longer using. I think he was hoping to find someone who had started with a less expensive program with limited features and eventually moved up to something with more features and/or capacity. I guess I should have made that clear. If the license prohibits resale, I doubt he would be interested -- pirating software wouldn't be a very good start for a new venture! Thanks for making this distinction for me -- I wouldn't want anyone to misunderstand my request. Best, Susan --- Just my opinions. Susan Winer Slavin wavin@world.std.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:54:47 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: George Klima Subject: indexers in fiction ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Please! All you indexers out there. I'm sure you have heard of the difference between plural (e.g., indexers who work with fiction) and the possessive (e.g., an indexer's salary). 416/448-3623============>IBM Canada<=========klima@vnet.ibm.com 8/778-3623 . . . . . . . . . . . CAIBM9DZ at IBMMAIL "Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people." - W.C. Fields ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:54:59 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Nancy C. Mulvany" Subject: BevAnne Ross ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- On Saturday (June 3, 1995) BevAnne Ross died at her home after a two year battle with cancer. BevAnne was a very active member of the American Society of Indexers. She served as national ASI president and was a founding member of the Washington, D.C. and Golden Gate Chapters. Many people came to know BevAnne through her teaching of indexing, both through the UC Berkeley Extension and the USDA Correspondence Study Program--curriculums that she initially set up. On Saturday (June 10, 1995) ASI will make its first presentation of the Hines Award at its conference in Montreal. The Hines Award was established to recognize years of continuous service to the Society and the indexing profession in the United States. Appropriately, BevAnne Ross is the first recipient of the Hines Award. A Memorial Mass will be held on Saturday (June 10, 1995) in Novato, CA at 10:30 a.m. at St. Anthony's Roman Catholic Church. At BevAnne's request and on behalf of the American Society of Indexers, I will be delivering a eulogy at the Mass. If any local indexers would like to attend the Mass and need directions, please send me email. Nancy Mulvany nmulvany@well.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:55:11 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Hazel Blumberg-McKee Subject: Re: indexers in fiction In-Reply-To: <9506051816.AA26440@symnet.net> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I sent in a note about this, but I got a message that *my* message had been bounced back. Hmmmm. At the risk of being repetitive: How about any number of books by Barbara Pym? Indexers appear frequently in her works. George (?) Perec's book, _A User's Guide to Life_ (I hope I've got the correct title), has at least one index. Haven't read it yet, but I keep intending to. Hazel Hazel Blumberg-McKee (hazelcb@symnet.net) "Books make sense of life. The only problem is that the lives they make sense of are . . . never your own."--Julian Barnes ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:14:46 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: ASI Address for the ASI is: ASI PO Box 386 Port Aransas, TX 78373 Voice: 512-749-4052 FAX: 512-749-6334 E-Mail: asi@well.sf.ca.us Dick Evans ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 21:43:27 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dave Ream Subject: fictional indexes ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- This is more of a challenge for someone to undertake, not something that exists. There is a novel by Georges Perec entitled "A Void". It is interesting because it was written in French without the use of the letter "e"! An Englishman, Gilbert Adair, has translated it into English again without utilizing the letter "e" (think about that for a minute). No who wants to index it without using any e's? Dave Ream ps. If any home page (ASI?) builders are interested I have a collection of some 6 or more cartoons all referring to indexers. I use these when I give presentations. I'd be glad to get copies if someone wants to get permissions to put them on the net. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 08:30:11 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Matt Miller Subject: Re: ficitional indexes In-Reply-To: <199506061815.LAA14074@netcom22.netcom.com> On Tue, 6 Jun 1995 Daveream@aol.com wrote: > There is a novel by Georges Perec entitled "A Void". It is interesting > because it was written in French without the use of the letter "e"! An > Englishman, Gilbert Adair, has translated it into English again without > utilizing the letter "e" (think about that for a minute). > > Know who wants to index it without using any e's? There was a recent review of the English book, also without using the letter e. Matt Miller ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:52:39 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Fred Leise Subject: Opinions solicited I am indexing a book on diplomacy and statecraft. The book contains many references to Germany, West Germany, East Germany (German Democratic Republic [GDR]), and even unified Germany. I am currently using the main heads "Germany," "West Germany," and "East Germany," with _see also_ references, and a see reference from "German Democratic Republic" to "East Germany." For ease of readers' use, what do you think about changing the heads to "Germany, West" and "Germany, East" so that they will appear next to each other. In the same vein, should I use "Germany, unified"? Let me know what you think. Thanks. Fred Leise ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 12:18:00 PDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John Gear Subject: Permutations of Germany I guess I see it like this: Germany East (German Democratic Republic (GDR)) Unified Post-World War II Pre-WWII West (I forget what W. Germany was formally called) >I am indexing a book on diplomacy and statecraft. The book contains many >references to Germany, West Germany, East Germany (German Democratic Republic >[GDR]), and even unified Germany. > >I am currently using the main heads "Germany," "West Germany," and "East >Germany," with _see also_ references, and a see reference from "German >Democratic Republic" to "East Germany." > >For ease of readers' use, what do you think about changing the heads to >"Germany, West" and "Germany, East" so that they will appear next to each >other. In the same vein, should I use "Germany, unified"? > >Let me know what you think. Thanks. > >Fred Leise > > John Gear (catalyst@pacifier.com) The Bill of Rights--The Original Contract with America Accept no substitutes. Beware of imitations. Insist on the genuine articles. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 12:33:22 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: johno@SPRY.COM Subject: Re: Opinions solicited In-Reply-To: <199506071832.LAA23071@homer.spry.com> On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, Fred Leise wrote: >For ease of readers' use, what do you think about changing the heads to >"Germany, West" and "Germany, East" so that they will appear next to each >other. In the same vein, should I use "Germany, unified"? Sounds like a good idea, Fred. Just be sure to cross reference East, West, and Unified Germany so users can be easily redirected. You may also want to include a note in the beginning explaining the difference between Germany and Unified Germany (Germany, Unified). John O. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * John Overbaugh johno@spry.com Technical Documentation SPRY, Inc. CompuServe Internet Division Makers of Internet In A Box and Internet Office Award-Winning PC to Internet Connectivity Solutions * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 15:31:21 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: johno@SPRY.COM Subject: Re: Permutations of Germany In-Reply-To: <199506072215.PAA03328@homer.spry.com> On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, John Gear wrote: > West (I forget what W. Germany was formally called) Federal Republic of Germany (FRG) John O. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * John Overbaugh johno@spry.com Technical Documentation SPRY, Inc. CompuServe Internet Division Makers of Internet In A Box and Internet Office Award-Winning PC to Internet Connectivity Solutions * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 19:08:12 CDT Reply-To: becohen@prairienet.org Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barbara E. Cohen" Subject: Re: Permutations of Germany I don't like the need for sub-subheadings in John Gear's solution. I would probably avoid the inversion of East Germany and West Germany, in order to save one level of subheading. I would use: East Germany Germany, unified. See also East Germany; West Germany West Germany especially if the book makes clear distinctions. Barbara -- Barbara E. Cohen Indexing and Editorial Services becohen@prairienet.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 20:14:02 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jeff Finlay, NYU" Organization: St. Peter's College, US Subject: Re: ficitional indexes > There is a novel by Georges Perec entitled "A Void". It is interesting > because it was written in French without the use of the letter "e"! An > Englishman, Gilbert Adair, has translated it into English again without > utilizing the letter "e" (think about that for a minute). > > Know who wants to index it without using any e's? Snd m a contract with th rat pr pag and I'll tak it off your hands, Jff