From: SMTP%"LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu" 7-JAN-1996 13:57:33.16 To: CIRJA02 CC: Subj: File: "INDEX-L LOG9511E" Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 08:11:09 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB (1.8a) Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9511E" To: CIRJA02@GSVMS1.CC.GASOU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:56:54 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dwight Walker Subject: Australian Soc of Indexers Web Indexing Prize 96 ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Greetings! The Prize: a year's free membership to AusSI including airmailed newsletter and having their index mounted on their Web site (http://www.zeta.org.au/~aussi). AusSI is launching a new indexing prize. It comes in two parts: 1) building a simple Web index using your normal indexing software and a converter 2) building a bibliographic Web index also using Netscape and an internet connection plus some HTML editing Build a simple one then when you are more competent, try building a real one which can be used on the Web at large. A tutorial, converter and Web tools are available from: Dwight Walker, 2/1 Nelson St, Randwick NSW Australia 2031, email: dwight@zip.com.au. Resources which will be sent: Netscape, HTML Writer and WEBIX the converter. Please mail 3 x 1.44MB HD diskettes. If you have access to the internet, the WEBIX converter will be available via the AusSI Web site. Good luck! Dwight AusSI Webmaster ---------------------------------------------------------- Dwight Walker, Sydney, Australia tel +61-2-3986726 (h) +61-2-4393750 (w), fax (work) +61-2-4383729 My Home Page: http://www.zeta.org.au/~dwalker AusSI Home Page: http://www.zeta.org.au/~aussi ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:57:08 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dwight Walker Subject: AusSI Indexing in the Electronic Age Workshop 20-21/4/96 Sth NSW ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- AusSI Indexing in the Electronic Age Workshop (Southern NSW, 4/96) The ACT Branch in conjunction with the NSW Branch are planning a weekend workshop in the Southern Highlands on Saturday 20 April to Sunday 21 April 1996. The Workshop will be associated with the presentation of the Society's Medal. The venue is not yet chosen but will be within a two hour drive or train journey from Canberra or Sydney: either Moss Vale, Bowral, Bundanoon or Mittagong. Some issues to be considered are: the role of indexers in electronic publishing; preparing indexes for the internet or CD-ROM; how indexers can contribute to making information more accessible on the internet? The emphasis is on the contribution that indexers can make in an electronic environment, not on how indexers can use computers to index. Further details about the conference will appear in subsequent issues of the Newsletter and on this Web page. At this stage we are simply looking at obtaining a 'feel' rather than a commitment from those who may be interested in attending the workshop and/or submitting papers. Interested people are invited to please print out the following form and post it to: 'Workshop' Secretary ACT AusSI Branch GPO Box 2069 Canberra ACT Australia 2601 or fax Geraldine Triffitt (06) 249 7310 or email grt@aiatsis.gov.au ---------------------------------------------- FORM TO FAX OR MAIL: Please tick the relevant statements: I would like to attend the entire the workshop attend for one day only stay Fri./Sat. night attend the Medal dinner I am willing to help organise the Workshop present a paper entitled: Name: Address: Phone: Fax: Email: ---------------------------------------------------------- Dwight Walker, Sydney, Australia tel +61-2-3986726 (h) +61-2-4393750 (w), fax (work) +61-2-4383729 My Home Page: http://www.zeta.org.au/~dwalker AusSI Home Page: http://www.zeta.org.au/~aussi ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:57:21 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@compuserve.com> Subject: Indexing Skills Workshop for Technical Communicators ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The Rocky Mountain Chapter of the Society for Technical Communication (STC) is hosting Lori Lathrop's "Indexing Skills Workshop for Technical Communicators" on March 8, 1995, from 8:30 AM to 4:30 PM at the Ramada Inn in Golden, Colorado. Cost: $75 - STC members, $85 - non-members. For information, contact Nancy Walters - E-mail: nwalters@carbon.cudenver.edu / Phone: 303-750-1831. ****************************************************************** Lori Lathrop ----------> INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com Lathrop Media Services, P.O. Box 3065, Idaho Springs, CO 80452 Office: 303-567-4011 / Home: 303-567-9533 ****************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:20:29 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pmauer@aol.com Subject: The Art of Abstracting ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- In the Sep/Oct issue of Key Words, I noticed a recommended book for abstracting: _The Art of Abstracting_ by Edward T. Cremmins (1982), published by ISI Press, a subsidiary of the Institute for Scientific Information. I recently tried to order this in my favorite bookstore, and it seems that it's out of print. I'm wondering if anyone knows of another source for this book; I'd really like to buy a copy. Peg Mauer (pmauer@aol.com) Communication Link (518) 359-8616 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:20:39 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: PilarW@aol.com Subject: indexes in the news/? ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Here's something I thought folks might find appreciate, and interesting, from a review of Bill Gates' book _The Road Ahead_, by John Schwartz in _The Washington Post_, Tuesday November 28, 1995: There's something else missing: Check the index and you won't find the word "antitrust." Or "monopoly." Though the Federal Trade Commission investigated Microsoft over antitrust allegations and the Justice Department wrestled the company into a consent decree to change some of its business practices, you won't find either agnecy listed--and won't hear about the proceedings. In fact, wherever you might want specifics in the book, you get generalities. just makes you want to jump up and by the sucker, eh?! ttfn, Pilar Wyman Indexing Annapolis, MD 21403 Tel/Fax: 410-263-7537 Email: PilarW@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:20:50 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: American Society for Information Science Subject: ASIS '96 Annual Meeting Call ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- CALL FOR PARTICIPATION GLOBAL COMPLEXITY: INFORMATION, CHAOS AND CONTROL ASIS 1996 Annual Meeting October 21-26 1996 Baltimore, Maryland Research in chaotic systems has uncovered order in the midst of disorder -- information hidden in noise -- and spawned complexity as a field of study. Complexity theory explores interconnectedness, coevolution, structure and order that produce spontaneous self-organizing and adaptive systems that balance precariously on the edge of chaos. From Mandelbrot sets and fractals to economics, there is a tantalizing similarity to evolutionary patterns and emergent phenomena. As an emergent and interdisciplinary field, information science should profit by exploring complexity. From the bits transmitted via an information channel to the less well understood transfer of knowledge and wisdom, there are patterns. Are they global? The ASIS 1996 Annual Meeting will consider the complexity of the working world of information professionals as well as theoretical perspectives involving the nature and use of information. Topics to be addressed will include: * Generation and dissemination of information How do individuals and organizations produce and recognize informative materials using multiple technologies and myriad, networked resources? What can be learned from parallels with the incunabula period of printing, when proliferation of documents led to higher literacy? * Information organization and access It has been said that traditional publishing guarantees some quality precisely because of its time lag. With information being provided instantaneously, can we assure quality without tacitly endorsing censorship? How can multiple organizations be created, maintained, and made useful? If interfaces evolve to cope with complexity, what will be the roles of intermediaries? * Social implications of complex information systems When anyone with a file server on the Internet can look like a multinational conglomerate, will Davids slay Goliaths? What will promote innovation, and how will it be recognized? Who will own what, and how can information producers protect themselves? Will traditionally underserved groups find access to complex information resources? Contributed Papers: Contributed papers report results of completed research or research in progress. Papers should be scholarly in nature and will be refereed. Those accepted will be published in full in the conference Proceedings. Authors of accepted papers will be expected to attend the conference and will be given 15-20 minutes to present their work. To submit a contributed paper, send an intent consisting of the title and a 250 word abstract with complete addresses of author(s) to the Contributed Papers Coordinator, Linda C. Smith, at the address below by December 15, 1995. Preliminary approval will be made by January 15, 1996. Three copies of the complete paper will be due on February 15, 1996. Notification of acceptance will be made no later than April 1, 1996, and camera-ready copy for the Proceedings will be due June 1, 1996. Panel Sessions: Panel sessions and other technical programs are developed by ASIS Special Interest Groups (SIGs) either individually or in collaboration with other SIGs or with organizations and individuals outside ASIS. Initial proposals for panel sessions should include: session title, sponsoring SIG(s), name and address of session organizer (contact person), brief description (500 words), and names and affiliations of presenters and moderators. Proposals should be sent to the SIG Sessions Coordinator, Merri Beth Lavagnino, at the address below by December 15, 1995. Notification of acceptance will be sent by February 1, 1996. Final program copy, including speakers, titles, and abstracts, will be due March 15, 1996, and camera-ready copy of abstracts for the Proceedings will be due June 1, 1996. Panel session papers that are submitted to the Contributed Papers Coordinator by February 15 and follow the schedule described for contributed papers may be published in full in the Proceedings. Submission Information: Contributed Papers Proposals/abstracts (mail, fax, e-mail) due December 15, 1995 Complete papers (1500 - 3500 words) for review due February 15, 1996 Camera-ready copy of accepted papers due June 1, 1996 Linda C. Smith Graduate School of Library and Information Science University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 501 E. Daniel Street Champaign, IL 61820-6211 Tel: (217) 333-7742 Fax: (217) 244-3302 Internet: lcsmith@uiuc.edu Panel Sessions Proposals/abstracts due December 15, 1995 Final program descriptions due March 15, 1996 Camera-ready copy due June 1, 1996 Merri Beth Lavagnino University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 154 Grainger Engineering Building, MC 274 1301 W. Springfield Ave. Urbana, IL 61801 Tel: (217) 244-7839 Fax: (217) 244-7764 Internet: mbl@uiuc.edu Technical Program Co-Chairs Charles H. Davis Debora Shaw School of Library and Information Science Indiana University Bloomington, IN 47405 Tel: (812) 855-5113 Fax: (812) 855-6166 Internet: davisc@indiana.edu shawd@indiana.edu -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:21:07 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@compuserve.com> Subject: Ooooops! ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Someone was kind enough to send me a private e-mail message and point out that my previous posting gave March 8, 1995, as the date for the indexing workshop that the Rocky Mountain Chapter of STC is hosting. Of course, I really meant to say March 8, 1996. ************************************************************************ Lori Lathrop ----------> INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com Lathrop Media Services, P.O. Box 3065, Idaho Springs, CO 80452 Office: 303-567-4011 / Home: 303-567-9533 ************************************************************************ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:07:36 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Alison Chipman Subject: Indexing with MS Word-Thanks ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Dear Index-L subscribers, Rather belated thanks to all who responded to my plea for help with MS Word's indexing function. I got several answers that were exactly what I needed, telling me which menus to pull down and which items to select to actually create an index from the embedded entries. I intend to try again, armed with these instructions. To all a good Thanks. Alison Chipman achipman@aat.getty.edu A Word-loving client named Fred, Said I had his index to embed. But once I'd embed it It was so hard to edit, I wished I'd stayed in bed instead. Grammatical error in line three committed in favour of neater meter. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:07:46 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@compuserve.com> Subject: Indexing Online Documents ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Fellow indexers: I'd like your help in responding to a question. First, some backbround information .... A company is exploring the possibility of delivering all of its documentation online. They have not yet identified the tools or delivery mechanism. They have, however, used Winhelp 3.1 to create a fairly extensive Windows help file that contains all of the detailed window, field, and task help, and they plan to use Winhelp 4.0 for the next release. They realize that full-text search capability can't replace a good indexing mechanism. And now, the questions .... Are you aware of any books or articles that explain how to make the two work together to improve information access? Also, do you know of any articles or books that go into more detail on indexing online books? Please send your responses directly to me. If there's enough interest, I'll be happy to post a summary of the responses. TIA .... Lori *********************************************************************** Lori Lathrop ----------> INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com Lathrop Media Services, P.O. Box 3065, Idaho Springs, CO 80452 Office: 303-567-4011 / Home: 303-567-9533 *********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:07:55 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kate McCain Subject: Re: The Art of Abstracting In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:20:29 ECT from ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I heard a rumor when I was at a recent NFAIS workshop that Cremmins might be working on a revised edition. It really is a good book -- perhaps as much for helping people learn how to *read* for abstract writing as for doing the abstracts themselves. Kate McCain mccainkw@duvm.ocs.drexel.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:08:06 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Richard T. Glenner" Subject: Re: Speed-reading courses ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Speed-Reading ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- What I do is more "skimming" or "scanning" to pick up these highlights, rather than serious "reading." -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------- There is a course and book called Evelyn Wood's Speed-Reading. It has = been around for years and is very effective effective for both = "skimming" and reading for "content". I have taken it and highly = recommend it. It is updated regularly. I loaned the book to my daughter and will need = to get the ordering information from her and will post it. Richard Hope this helps. If you need more information, send me a e-mail. _____________________________________________________________ Richard Glenner, (Richard T. Glenner & Associates)=20 Business & Computer Consulting Services E-mail to: rtglennr@onramp.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:08:17 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Karl E. Vogel" Organization: Control Data Systems Inc. Subject: Re: indexes in the news? ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >> On Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:20:39 ECT, Pilar said: P> There's something else missing [from Bill Gates' book _The Road Ahead_]: P> Check the index and you won't find the word "antitrust." Or "monopoly." I'll worry about Gates when the Post Office owns up to its monopoly. -- Karl Vogel vogelke@c17mis.wpafb.af.mil Control Data Systems, Inc. ASC/YCOA, Wright-Patterson AFB, OH 45433 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:31:43 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kevin Subject: Re: Value of an Index ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Just thought I'd throw in another "value of an index" illustration: the index to Computer Shopper Magazine. If you ever shop for computer equipment, you will hear people talk about the "street price" of some piece of software or hardware. Many people bandy the term about without understanding what it really means. In practical terms the street price is the lowest (sustained) price available for the item in Computer Shopper magazine, the bible of computer equipment. Computer Shopper magazine is heavily and thoroughly indexed, although not in a way that would satisfy some of the usual criteria for a good index. For example there are often *very* long strings of page locators: many software titles are sold by a *lot* of different advertisers. There are no subheadings. But believe it or not, every piece of software mentioned in those ads that can run 2-3 pages that list 100's of software titles available is indexed (I've checked!). Thus as a tool for looking up 1) who is selling an item and 2) who has the lowest price, it is invaluable because it is a comprehensive aide to a comprehensive magazine. It should be obvious to most of us indexers that the preeminence of Computer Shopper magazine in terms of defining the "street price" is due in large part to the usability of it's index, despite it's flaws in the conventional sense. Without it, it's just another thick publication. So the "value" of Computer Shopper magazine is tied directly to its index. Kevin Mulrooney ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dyslexics of the world untie! First State Indexing (302) 738-2558 276 East Main Street Indexer@inetcom.net Newark, Delaware 19711 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 09:31:52 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: MaryMort@aol.com Subject: Re: indexes in the news/? ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Pilar, Thanks for the quote - it's nice that some reviewers use the index. Bill Gates even mentions them at least once in his book - this is from the excerpt in _Newsweek_: "Among all the types of paper documents, narrative fiction is one of the few that will not benefit from electronic organization. Almost every reference book has an index, but novels don't because there is no need to be able to look something up in a novel. Novels are linear. Likewise, we'll continue to watch most movies from start to finish. This isn't a technological judgment - it is an artistic one. Their linearity is intrinsic to the storytelling process." I know some people will disagree with his opinion that novels don't need indexes - I remember discussions (on AOL, I think) of indexes for Tom Clancy and Kurt Vonnegut novels, for example. Mary -- * Mary Mortensen * marymort@aol.com * 318 Main St. # 20 * 201-514-1710 * Madison, NJ 07940 * USA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:51:53 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Tim Dixon Organization: Edward Lowe Foundation Subject: Idiom ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Book indexers work is not going unnoticed. Chadwick-Healey has produced a CD-ROM (IDIOM) that includes the MARC records, tables of contents and the Back of Book indexes for 5,000 core titles in most college and university libraries. I have two types of questions about IDIOM: Has anybody had the opportunity to see how effective it is? Since each book index is (theoretically) crafted to suit the particular book, do you lose authority control? Does it lower recall and precision in searching? Secondly, do indepedent Indexers retain or sign away their electronic rights when they take jobs for publishers? Thanks in advance. --Tim Tim Dixon, M.L.S Manager of Information Services Edward Lowe Foundation P.O. Box 8 Cassopolis, MI 49031-0008 (616) 445-4265 / Fax (616) 445-4350 TIM@els.lowe.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:52:06 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Turner James Subject: movie indexes In-Reply-To: <199511301433.JAA05647@cyclone.ERE.UMontreal.CA> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Re Mary Mortensen's comments, I think movies need indexes too. This implies that each shot needs to be indexed, and thinking about how we should do that is my favourite research problem. jt _______________________________________________________________ James Turner, professeur adjoint Ecole de bibliotheconomie et des sciences de l'information Universite de Montreal CP 6128, succursale Centre-ville, Montreal, QC, CAN H3C 3J7 Telephone +1 514 343 2454 Telecopie +1 514 343 5753 Internet turner@ere.umontreal.ca WWW http://tornade.ere.umontreal.ca/~turner _______________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:35:18 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: PilarW@aol.com Subject: Re: indexes in the news/? ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Mary, Thanks for sharing Bill Gates' comment. It's interesting to see how he think. But I like I'll challenge his notion. Not only because of a need for indexes to books like Tom Clancy's or Star Trek novels or Barbara Pym, but also because the concept of "linear" fiction is becoming moot, I think, in this day and age of multimedia. [jt-- you hit it on the nose!] For example, I recently purchased a package set of Schindler's list: the book, the movie, the soundtrack, and a booklet of clips from the movie. A beautiful purchase. I sat down to watch the movie, book in hand. (I'd not read the book before.) As I watched the movie, like the reading indexer that I am, I flipped to the back of the book so that I could look up characters. There was NO index. If anyone else is familiar with Schindler's list, they will understand the necessity of an index. The story is about real people, some of whom are still living. While classified as "fiction," it borders on nonfiction. And the movie, as beautiful and well-done as it is, does not tell the tale with as much background information as the book. I am looking forward to reading the book to learn more about the characters I met during the movie. An index would have *really* helped, believe you me! I would think that someone like Bill Gates (or Spielberg, for that matter) would appreciate the value of an index in a multimedia package, no?! Anyway, where the heck is the linearity when you've got 2 products, albeit side by side, but simultaneously reflecting the same "universe" if you will? parallel linearities? I don't think so. Indexes are required, period. Besides, the same can be said of any novel or any other information product. Sure, there's a beginning and end to the story, timewise and perhaps from the viewpoint of the narrator, but a good document doesn't exist in only 1 dimension .... ;-D well--I had no idea that review would stimulate such thinking. thank's again, Mary, and jt, for your comments! ttyl, Pilar Wyman Indexing Annapolis, MD 21403 Tel/Fax: 410-263-7537 Email: PilarW@aol.com