From: SMTP%"LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu" 2-MAR-1996 08:58:28.94 To: CIRJA02 CC: Subj: File: "INDEX-L LOG9602B" Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 08:37:08 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB (1.8a) Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9602B" To: CIRJA02@GSVMS1.CC.GASOU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 16:41:06 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Colin Izat <100265.2771@compuserve.com> Subject: Bibliographies ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I have to create an index to a 'list of references'/bibliography contained within a technical manual. The dilemna is how to include the subject content of the titles as well as the first word of the title within the same index, eg: "Rules for submarine pipeline systems" Some people will look under 'R' for Rules, while others may only remember the word 'pipelines'. The index could look like this: ... pipelines, Rules for submarine pipeline systems Rules for submarine pipeline systems ... but might be confusing to the user. A KWOC index might be the answer but I am aware of the limitations associated with this method. If anyone else come across this problem I would be interested in your solutions? Regards, Katie Izat ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 16:41:16 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Chuck Brockman <75176.605@compuserve.com> Subject: UPS Audible Alarms ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >> And Dick, be thankful for those beeps cause they're saving your tail! << >> Why are the beeps saving my tail? The surge protection saves my tail; the beeps are just annoying. As I said, other models have a switch to turn the beeps off. << Those beeps are an after-sales tool. The manufacturer programs them into the device so that you feel like you're getting your money's worth from the UPS. A large percentage (but not all!) of the disturbances causing the audible alarm would be quietly handled by your computer's power supply without the UPS. I had one of those audible alarms on my car to remind me to put on my seat belt - even when it was already on. I disconnected it before I drove the car a second time! The operation of the UPS will not be affected if you disconnect it. Chuck Brockman ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 16:44:49 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Chuck Brockman <75176.605@compuserve.com> Subject: UPS Battery Replacement ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >>I have a Kensington 300 VA Power Backer that I bought in 1989. The UPS was >>totally reliable until I quit using it about a year ago because I felt like I >>couldn't rely on a battery that old. I have kept it plugged in, because >>without that the battery goes altogether. Has anyone ever tried replacing a >>battery in on of those things and if so can you offer advice? >>Craig Brown Craig - That battery may still be good. The best test to perform (every year or so) is to run the computer on the UPS without an outside source of AC power. (Unplug it.) How long does the computer continue to operate? Compare that to the life predicted by the manufacturer for the power consumption of your particular computer. If it's 10 minutes I wouldn't worry. If it's 10 seconds, oops! Changing the battery is usually straight forward. You were wise to keep it plugged in. That type of battery will self-discharge over time. When an old battery discharges, one of its several internal cells may actually have a voltage reversal. Then you can kiss it goodbye. It won't be there when you need it. By the way, as an indication of the advisability of having a UPS, your power company uses them in all critical applications. (Substations, control centers, etc.) And they're big. (Capacity rated in days and not hours.) And they have standby generators behind them. Chuck Brockman ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 16:44:59 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: MCLAUGHB@cgs.edu Subject: Help with extended characters ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I am indexing a book with many Portuguese names and terms, and am unable to discover the codes for two characters in Cindex. The characters are lower-case a with a ~ over it, and capital A with a left-slanting accent mark. Are these characters possible in Cindex or will I need to enter them later in Word? Thanks in advance. Bonny McLaughlin ASI SoCal Chapter mclaughb@cgs.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 16:45:37 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rollie Littlewood Subject: Re: UPS: Uninterruptible Power Supply ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- At 10:00 AM 2/7/96 ECT, Craig Brown wrote: >----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >While this thread is going, I have a related question. I have a Kensington >300 VA Power Backer that I bought in 1989. I bought it at a time when the >local power company was trimming trees around the power lines and service was >being interrupted several times a day, usually at 19 minutes into a 20 minute >software download. The UPS was totally reliable until I quit using it about >a year ago because I felt like I couldn't rely on a battery that old. I have >kept it plugged in, because without that the battery goes altogether. Has >anyone ever tried replacing a battery in on of those things and if so can you >offer advice? ... The batteries on all UPS's *must* be replaced periodically. I believe that most batteries *should* last five or more years before replacement is necessary. The procedure will be manufacturer and model specific--it should be outlined in your owner's manual. Since Kensington is still in business, you ought to be able to phone them if you don't have enough information at hand. The way to find out if your battery is due for replacement is simple--unplug the UPS from the wall and see how long your system survives. Keep a log of your test results. When the survival time gets too short, replace the battery. If you are using a UPS, it is critical to schedule such a test for every six months or so. This brings up one important selection criteria for UPS's: make sure the battery can be replaced by you at your site (although I cannot cite any specific example, I have read that some need to be shipped to the manufacturer for replacement). ===================================================================== Rollie Littlewood (608) 26 2-7385 University of Wisconsin-Madison Email: rklittle@facstaff.wisc.edu Institute for Molecular Virology & Laboratory of Molecular Biology 1525 Linden Drive Madison WI 53706-1596 FAX : (608) 26 2-7414 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 16:45:58 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@aol.com ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- ated 96-02-06 16:05:05 EST, Sonsie Conroy writes: >I'm indexing an economics book that involves fairly extended discussion >of not only the "old" Soviet Union but the new states that have come out >of it. > >Anybody figured out a simple and CLEAR way to handle these country names? This happens to me all the time! You can't escape the extensive see also references, I'm afraid. Depending on the text, I usually have an entry for Soviet Union (and sometimes one for Russia, pre-revolutionary as well!), one for "former Soviet republics" and one for each new country, including Russia and the CIS. And see also's for different names for the same country, and groupings like Transcaucasian republics. Just hope your publisher's willing to leave room for the index! Seriously though, I do think it's important to index all of these political entities by their correct names and delineate the relationships exactly--our readers get just as confused as we do. Good luck! Do Mi ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 16:46:10 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paul Melia <100760.2725@compuserve.com> Subject: Introductory mail ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Dear Index-L member, I'm new to the list and thought I would introduce myself. I'm an art historian living in Manchester, England. Unlike many Index-L members, I only have a hobbyist's enthusiasm for indexing. This stems from a long standing interest in painters - Peter Greenaway, for example - who have used systems to organise & present material and to generate ideas. I decided to join the list not to seek practical advice but in the hope that from time to time discussion may focus on philosophical issues generated by indexing / cataloguing. I should say I have compiled one index. This was for an academic book I edited last year on the work of David Hockney. My favourite entry was: blond hair, dyed: see persona Best wishes, Paul Melia 100760.2725@compuserve.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:20:33 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pam Rider Subject: Re: Bibliographies ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- At 04:41 PM 2/8/96 ECT, you wrote: Appears you are on the right track. How could an entry under P and one under R be confusing? Some people will look under 'R' for Rules, while others may only remember the >word 'pipelines'. >The index could look like this: > ... > pipelines, > Rules for submarine pipeline systems > Rules for submarine pipeline systems > ... >but might be confusing to the user. > >A KWOC index might be the answer but I am aware of the limitations associated >with this method. > >If anyone else come across this problem I would be interested in your solutions? > > > > >Regards, > >Katie Izat > > Pam Rider Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth prider@powergrid.electriciti.com prider@tsktsk.com http://www.electriciti.com:80/~prider/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:20:51 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Neva J. Smith" Subject: Re: Help with extended characters In-Reply-To: <199602082147.PAA10556@zoom.bga.com> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Bonny (and listmembers)- I use the extended character set within Cindex. In fact, to make things easier, every entry term needing one of these characters goes into my abbreviations file. The IBM extended set is on page 327 of my Cindex (version 6) manual. Hold down the ALT key and type the number on the numeric keypad. If you don't have this list, I can e-mail the codes you want. Neva > = - * - = < = > = - * - = < = > = - * - = < = > = - * - = < = Neva J. Smith, MLIS DataSmiths Information Services PO Box 2157 / Round Rock, TX 78680 email: njsmith@bga.com voice: (512) 244-2767 Editor, _Library Currents_ PO Box 2199 / Round Rock, TX 78680 On Thu, 8 Feb 1996 MCLAUGHB@cgs.edu wrote: > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > > I am indexing a book with many Portuguese names and terms, and am > unable to discover the codes for two characters in Cindex. The characters > are lower-case a with a ~ over it, and capital A with a left-slanting > accent mark. Are these characters possible in Cindex or will I need to > enter them later in Word? > > Thanks in advance. > > Bonny McLaughlin > ASI SoCal Chapter > mclaughb@cgs.edu > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:21:04 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Seth Horwitz Subject: Endorsement-based Indexing ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hi, everybody. I'm not a professional indexer, but I've been working in the online field for over a decade, and I've been pondering what I believe is an innovative approach to indexing the Web. I'm curious if anybody knows of any work underway on the notion of "endorsement-based indexing". Current indexes to the Web, such as Yahoo or InfoSeek, are sort of "brute force" keyword indexes. Some indexes, like Magellan, make a valid attempt to rate Web sites, but the value of any such rating system is predicated upon the assumption that the searcher fully values the rating criteria and editorial application of the index creator. In either case, the searcher is all too often awash in sites of limited relevance to their particular intention. In such an "anyone-can-publish" environment as the World Wide Web, I think it is increasingly important to provide _context_ and _perspective_ for searchers to use to differentiate the plethora of choices. An open endorsement-based index would allow any person or organization to "endorse" Web sites, and then enable those endorsements to be used as search (or filter) criteria. For instance, if I wanted to identify online stores selling environmentally friendly merchandise, I might want to be able to limit my retrieval of online stores to those endorsed by Greenpeace, the Audobon Society, my brother Fred or any group or individual with whom I share a philosophical (or political or economic or ...) affinity. Or, say you know of 9 Web sites you think are cool places to publish poetry. You could "endorse" those sites and then tell your poet-friends to send their poetry to the sites so endorsed (thus making you a sort of "distribution editor"). This is akin to the practice one often sees of individuals or organizations posting their "favorite links" or bookmark lists on their own web pages. The difference is that by interrelating these individually endorsed links, a greater collective value is created. I wonder what people think of this idea, if any of the indexer-types in this list have had similar ideas, and/or where I might go to discuss and develop this line of thinking. Any leads would be appreciated. Thanks. Seth Horwitz seth@telebase.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:47:41 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Philip W. Jones" Subject: foreign words and italics In-Reply-To: <9602091521.AB20870@Rt66.com> from "Seth Horwitz" at Feb 9, 96 09:21:04 am ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I've been working on an index for a book on Japanese culture and there are some instances where I would like to use a "see" or "see also" reference to the English equivalent of a Japanese word. Since I'd like to use italics for the Japanese word, what should I use for "see" and "see also", when there is an italicized word on one side and a roman word on the other? Thanks, Heather /----------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Phil, Heather, Doug and Ivy Jones hpjones@rt66.com | | Los Alamos, New Mexico http://mack.rt66.com/hpjones/hpjones.html | \----------------------------------------------------------------------/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:47:52 ECT Reply-To: becohen@prairienet.org Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barbara E. Cohen" Subject: Re: Help with extended characters ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Regarding non-IBM extended characters, I usually create a list of substitutions that the typesetter can just globally replace on the disk with the correct typesetting codes, when I run across such characters (in Sanskrit, Slavic languages, Japanese, and Portuguese). If anyone knows of a standard list of such conversions, I'd love to know about it too. In the meantime, I have been using a list given to me by a colleague who writes books with macrons, moons, underdots, etc. (My printouts have the substituted characters, but I encode the disk with the correct letter in Cindex, so the word alphabetizes correctly). I look forward to hearing other solutions to this problem. Barbara -- Barbara E. Cohen Indexing & Editorial Services Champaign, IL ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:48:34 ECT Reply-To: becohen@prairienet.org Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barbara E. Cohen" Subject: Re: foreign words and italics ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The correct format for See and See also references that are followed by italicized words is: set the See or See also in roman type. Note that some Japanese words may be used in italics at their first occurrence only, in which case it is best to set them in roman in the index as well (words such as samsara, nirvana, mantra.... these Buddhist terms are generally used unitalicized after the first mention, as they have been accepted as "English" equivalents of complicated terms. That saves the indexer having to italicize them! Barbara -- Barbara E. Cohen Indexing & Editorial Services Champaign, IL ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:48:42 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kat Nagel/MasterWork Subject: Re: UPS: Uninterruptible Power Supply ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >some were very noisy, like an old hard drive whirring away 24 h a day. Is your >UPS "quiet"? No, the APC Smart-UPS 600 is extremely quiet. In fact, if it didn't have the little light on the front panel, I wouldn't know it was running. And even a noisy UPS (some of the very old models did make a little buzzing whine) isn't going to be noticed in an office with a CPU, external hard drive, SyQuest drive and laser printer. > >I am careful to test each at least twice a year (daylights savings is a good >reminder) so that dimished battery life is caught before it is a problem. My UPS has a convenient test button on the front panel. It also does periodic self-tests. A front panel light blips when the battery begins to discharge. When the charge drops below what is needed to maintain the guaranteed 'safe operating period' the 'Low Battery' light comes on, accompanied by an alarm bell. If the discharge rate for an old battery interferes with the UPS charging rate, the 'Replace Battery' light flashes and a really annoying alarm buzzer goes off. I like these features. There is no alarm at all for brownouts, because they don't last long enough for the battery to discharge below 'safe' levels. This means I don't have to suffer from that continual that many of you were complaining about --- a major reason why I chose the Smart-UPS instead of the Powercell series. (I'm a sucker for bells and whistles.) @Kat_____ Kat Nagel MasterWork Consulting Services Rochester, NY LIFE1 (techwriting/docdesign) katnagel@eznet.net LIFE2 (vocal chamber music) PlaynSong@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:48:52 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Wildefire@aol.com Subject: Re: Bibliographies ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- In a message dated 96-02-08 16:42:58 EST, you write: >I have to create an index to a 'list of references'/bibliography contained >within a technical manual. > >The dilemna is how to include the subject content of the titles as well as >the >first word of the title within the same index, eg: >"Rules for submarine pipeline systems" >Some people will look under 'R' for Rules, while others may only remember the >word 'pipelines'. And yet others would think first of submarines (unless the whole book is about submarines), so I'd also create the following entry: Submarines pipeline systems, rules for If, after editing, this was the only entry under submarines, I'd reword it to: Submarine pipeline systems, rules for (or just "Submarine pipeline systems" unless the publisher insists on having the bibliographic references in their near entirety in all your index entries... yuck!) >A KWOC index might be the answer but I am aware of the limitations associated >with this method. You want to talk about limitations about KWOC? ;-D A few years ago, I had to create an index from what was originally published as a KWOC "index". Some of the KWOC entries were real doozies, especially in juxtaposition. The following series of entries are examples: Acids, nutrition of amino Acids nutrition, protein and amino or Acoustics and ultrasonics, theory of Acoustics & ultrasound Lynn Moncrief TECHindex & Docs ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:49:01 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@aol.com Subject: Re: Help with extended characters ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- My extended character set (p. C-4 of latest Macrex manual) doesn't include many of the letters with diacritics that I need (Portuguese, etc.). I usually write them in on the printout and include a note to the editor listing the words that need diacritics added. Very clumsy, especially in a book with a lot of them. One client has recently asked for letters with diacritics to be placed in angle brackets with an abbreviation for the diacritic first. So Joao with a tilde over the a would be Joo. My problem, slightly embarassing, is that I discovered that I don't know the names of all of the diacritics! I'm unable to find a list in any of my reference works, and an editor I asked about it didn't know either (somewhat lessening my embarassment)! Does anyone have such a list or know where one exists? Do Mi ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:49:09 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: foreign words and italics ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >I've been working on an index for a book on Japanese culture and >there are some instances where I would like to use a "see" or >"see also" reference to the English equivalent of a Japanese word. >Since I'd like to use italics for the Japanese word, what should >I use for "see" and "see also", when there is an italicized word >on one side and a roman word on the other? Since there's already a rule to the effect that you make the "See" or "See also" roman type if it is followed by, say, a book title that's in itals, I would follow that. Make it roman. Cheers, Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | Life is good. Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | Milwaukee, WI | ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:49:18 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey Subject: Re: Endorsement-based Indexing ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- At 09:21 9/02/96 ECT, Seth Horwitz wrote: >I'm not a professional indexer, but I've been working in the >online field for over a decade, and I've been pondering what >I believe is an innovative approach to indexing the Web. >I'm curious if anybody knows of any work underway on the >notion of "endorsement-based indexing". > --- SNIPPED------- >An open endorsement-based index would >allow any person or organization to "endorse" Web sites, and >then enable those endorsements to be used as search (or filter) >criteria. For instance, if I wanted to identify online stores >selling environmentally friendly merchandise, I might want to be >able to limit my retrieval of online stores to those endorsed by >Greenpeace, the Audobon Society, my brother Fred or any group or >individual with whom I share a philosophical (or political or >economic or ...) affinity. Or, say you know of 9 Web sites you >think are cool places to publish poetry. You could "endorse" >those sites and then tell your poet-friends to send their poetry >to the sites so endorsed (thus making you a sort of >"distribution editor"). >I wonder what people think of this idea, if any of the >indexer-types in this list have had similar ideas, and/or where >I might go to discuss and develop this line of thinking. Any >leads would be appreciated. Thanks. This happens informally, of course, via newsgroups, magazines and mailing lists, where people with similar values tell each other "Hey, check this out..." I can envisage a few problems, however: Bandwidth: a popular page may be endorsed by, say, 200 individuals. Simply listing them on the page is going to add an awful lot of overhead to the download time.Or is the idea that the database program stores all the links between endorsers and endorsed pages? Paid endorsements: plenty of celebrities have shown themselves happy to endorse any sort of rubbish as long as they get paid for it. Are we going to turn the Web into another source of unearned income for Magic Johnson, Rachel Hunter and their ilk? On the other hand, if there is no financial reward, what is the incentive for people to evaluate Web sites with a view to endorsement? Forged endorsements: what steps will be taken to prevent or police people forging endorsements in someone else's name? Changing sites: given that the contents of a page can change dramatically while the name remains the same, how can an endorser be sure that the page at a given site is still the same at the one they endorsed? I'm sure that the idea has potential, but I'm wondering if the Web is the right vehicle for it. Jonathan. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Jermey & Glenda Browne (Blue Mountains Desktop Pty Ltd. - ACN 071 232 016) Blaxland NSW Australia jonathan@magna.com.au http://www.magna.com.au/~jonathan Australian Wildlife in the Cheese Shop: "We had some, but the cat's eaten it." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:48:44 ECT Reply-To: jsampson@cix.compulink.co.uk Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John Sampson Subject: Diacritics ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I have a rather crude method for preparing diacritics on hard copies printed out from Cindex on my 24-pin dot matrix printer. There is, or was, a software package LQMATRIX by J. David Sapir [Jimmy Paris Software]. I have version 4.4 (Dec '91, shareware reg.fee $19.50 U.S. - $24 U.S. for foreign registrations). The address was J. David Sapir [Jimmy Paris Software] 906 Old Farm Rd. Charlottesville, VA. 22903 USA (804) 295-5496 CompuServe 70242,1114 With this one can draw a diacritical (or any other symbol) and put it in a downloadable font, substituting for a character in the font. In the index the calling code will be (e.g.) \h\H, and will follow the letter to be accented. The same character is then detailed in the Cindex code list with a backspace (ASCII 8), then printer commands to switch to the downloaded font, print the character, and switch back to the internal font. _John Sampson_ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:48:53 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Locatelli@aol.com Subject: Tip of the Day ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- For those of you using CINDEX who are heavily into multi-tasking with Windows, you might like to know about the following tip. Use the MS-DOS access from Windows. Then when you have CINDEX up and running, press the Alt./Enter keys at the same time. That will change CINDEX from running full screen to a smaller window, and you can access other Windows programs/tasks. The Alt./Enter functions as a toggle switch that changes from full-screen to window mode and back again. But remember, you have to access DOS through Windows for this to function. Fred Leise "Between the Lines" Indexing and Editorial Services ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:49:05 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Isawriter@aol.com Subject: Re: Help with extended characters ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Do Mi.... There is a short list in the 14th Chicago at page 9.12. It includes acute accent, grave accent, diaeresis or umlaut, circumflex, tilde, cedilla, macron, and breve. Craig Brown ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:49:17 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Simon Butler Subject: Indexing page ranges ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hi all, I have a query regarding the format of page ranges. In a document I wish to index, the page numbers include the chapter number (ie 3-4). I am using the indexing facility in Interleaf (version 6.0). When this creates an entry for a page range of (say) 3-4 to 3-6, it generates an abomination like 3-4-3-6 . My question is: `How do I present a page range using the above page numbering format?'. My immediate thoughts are: 3-4:3-6 (this will involve editing the finished index which will have to be done each time I generate the index) some other format such as `3-4 to 3-6', this will again need editing. ignore the page range and reference only the first page. Note: Changing the software or page numbering style are NOT (repeat NOT) options. Any thoughts on the best (or accepted) method of presenting a range such as that above? -- Simon Butler MISTC Quis custodiat ipsos custodes? (Who guards the Guardians?) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:49:27 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rebecca Green Subject: ISKO '96 WWW site and address correction ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- This message is being posted to several listservs. Please excuse any duplication. 1. There were some inaccuracies in the address and contact information posted last week for the 4th International ISKO (International Society for Knowledge Organization) Conference. The correct address is: ISKO Registration Office of the Director for Public Service Collections LM 642 - Library of Congress Washington, DC 20540-4600 For further information, you may contact: Theodore Morgan Phone: +202 707 5325 Telefax: +202 707 6269 Email: tmor@loc.gov 2. The preliminary program and full registration information are available at: http://www.hud.ac.uk/ISKO96 ******************************************************************** Rebecca Green Program Chair, ISKO '96 College of Library and Information Services Hornbake Building (So. Wing), Room 4105 University of Maryland College Park, MD 20742-4345 Phone: 301-405-2050 Fax: 301-314-9145 rgreen@umd5.umd.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:49:39 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: Converted from OV/VM to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X From: NASEM020@sivm.si.edu Subject: Re: Help with extended characters In-Reply-To: note of 02/12/96 10:49 ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I have the "Using Wordperfect 5.2" manual by Que (copyright 1989). Within the manual is a chapter on special characters and foreign lanuages. It lists on page 701 (Table 21.3) the description and examples of 16 diacritical marks. On page 699, there is a sample printout of an extended character set (one of many contained in the WP file CHARACTR.DOC) where things like cedilla, ayn, rude, and my personal favorite - candrabindu (which appears to be a trident). If you don't have access to WP manuals, email me directly and we'll figure something out. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:04:48 ECT Reply-To: becohen@prairienet.org Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barbara E. Cohen" Subject: Re: Bibliographies ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Lynn and others: My only disagreement with your comments would be that I try to avoid inverting within a subheading, so I would either rewrite your entry as: Submarines: rules for control of, (or whatever it was) of shorten it to: Submarines: control of, I find that I can often eliminate the inverted material or rewrite, thus saving the reader from having to make the mental inversion while scanning the index. Barbara -- Barbara E. Cohen Indexing & Editorial Services Champaign, IL ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:04:55 ECT Reply-To: becohen@prairienet.org Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barbara E. Cohen" Subject: Re: Help with extended characters ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- My current assistant, who is from belgrade, says she has a shareware program with Cyrillic characters that can be used in WordPerfect. If it is helpful, I will post later this week with details about obtaining a copy of this program. Barbara -- Barbara E. Cohen Indexing & Editorial Services Champaign, IL ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:05:09 ECT Reply-To: becohen@prairienet.org Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barbara E. Cohen" Subject: Re: Indexing page ranges ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- When using multiple page ranges in which the designers have preempted the use of the hyphen, I use "to" to indicate a range of pages: 3-4 to 3-8 It's awkward but clear. -- Barbara E. Cohen Indexing & Editorial Services Champaign, IL ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:05:17 ECT Reply-To: becohen@prairienet.org Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barbara E. Cohen" Subject: Re: Help with extended characters ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Do Mi: Here's my quickie list of diacritical names: In Sanskrit and Japanese: macron is a line over a vowel underdot is a dot under a letter overdot is a dot over a letter In Korean: a little curved line over a vowel is called a "moon" I forget what the Cyrillic accents are called, but I will ask Ivana to clarify them. Barbara -- Barbara E. Cohen Indexing & Editorial Services Champaign, IL ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:05:24 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Wildefire@aol.com Subject: Re: Help with extended characters ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- In a message dated 96-02-12 10:51:39 EST, Do Mi wrote: >My extended character set (p. C-4 of latest Macrex manual) doesn't include >many of the letters with diacritics that I need (Portuguese, etc.). I usually >write them in on the printout and include a note to the editor listing the >words that need diacritics added. Very clumsy, especially in a book with a >lot of them. One client has recently asked for letters with diacritics to be >placed in angle brackets with an abbreviation for the diacritic first. So >Joao with a tilde over the a would be Joo. Do Mi, Because I index scientific and technical material, my situation is similar to yours. Occasionally I have an umlaut or other diacritical mark, but I also have a tons of Greek letters and other gnarly symbols and typography such as prime ('), subscripts, superscripts, arrows, center dots for vector expressions, etc. that Macrex doesn't handle. You may find this solution to be useful, It took hours to create it, but it's saved me a lot of time and agony down the road. I created a "cheat sheet" consisting of a table containing all of these symbols by using the Windows Keyfinder accessory which displays all of the characters in a given font along with the Alt-keypad number or keypress necessary to create a specific character. (Open the Windows Accessory group and select the icon that looks like a key). The Times Roman font contains all of the diacritical marks you need, including grave and acute accents for each vowel, umlauts, those Scandanavian o's with slashes through them, "c's" with cedillas, etc. The Symbol font is a treasure trove of Greek letters and scientfic and mathematical symbols. (If you need even more symbols, there are the Lucida Bright Math Extension and Lucida Bright Math Symbol fonts. I'm not sure if they come with Windows.) Running Keyfinder and my word processor simultaneously, windowing between them, I selected each special character in each of the fonts and pasted it into a table in the word processor. In the row for each character, I also entered the Alt+keypad number (or keypress in the Symbol font) necessary to create each character. Using this, you can create a perfectly formatted index in your word processor with all of the characters appearing as they are to be printed once you dump your RTF file from Macrex and "massage" it. (BTW, I created macros for different publishers that'll take an RTF file and convert it into a perfectly formatted, double column index within a few seconds! It's also handy when working with space limitations because the macro formats it according to the margins used by the publisher in the final product, so I can quickly check on the printed size of the index while working. However, for the special characters, there is still more work to be done as explained below.) Now, to solve the problem of what to do in Macrex (or Cindex). Add a column in your table for whatever you'll enter in Macrex to create the character (or substitution of it). Because I have to supply a file of the index with APA (American Publishers Association) codes in addition to the word processed (formatted) file, my table contains a column for the appropriate APA code. I enter the APA code for the character in Macrex, but you can use any character strings not likely to appear in the index. Creating keywords for the frequently used codes greatly speeds the process. I recommend either italicizing or boldfacing these character strings so that you can easily search on the formatting in your word processor. (Many of my special characters have to be italicized anyway. But bold is better for the codes so that you won't be tripping over all of the cross refs in your search.) Or you can precede each of the strings in Macrex with a character that won't appear in the final index (such as the ampersand) and search on that. It's then just a matter of searching and replacing the character strings with the correct character in your word processor, using your "cheat sheet" as a guide. For superscripts and subscripts, I search on the APA codes that turn this formatting on and off. The drawback (minor, IMHO) is that it can make some of your index entries hard to read on the Macrex screen because of all of the weird character strings for the codes in your entries. But you get used to it. (The index I'm working on now looks like a Christmas tree with all of the colors for the forced sorting, italics, hard commas, etc. because it's full of chemical and italicized botanical names in addition to a gazillion codes.) In summary, your cheat sheet would contain columns for the special character (as it appears when printed), the name of the font it's in, the APA code (or whatever you use in Macrex), and the Alt+keypad combination or keypress needed to generate the character. Make it easy on yourself and create the table with alternately shaded rows and columns and in 12-point bold type so it'll be extremely easy to read. You'll be using it constantly because it's so handy. Voila (acute accent over the "a")! You can now provide your clients with either perfectly formatted files where the characters appear as they are to be printed (which makes the index easier to proofread and edit) or files containing special coding for the characters (or both, as I do). > >My problem, slightly embarassing, is that I discovered that I don't know the >names of all of the diacritics! I'm unable to find a list in any of my >reference works, and an editor I asked about it didn't know either (somewhat >lessening my embarassment)! Does anyone have such a list or know where one >exists? Do Mi Chapter 9 of the Chicago Manual of Style (13th edition) gives quite a bit of information about diacritics and special characters for various languages, including Portugese, but is pretty spotty about telling you what the names of them are. Perhaps they didn't know them all either. ;-D For your client who wants the list of diacritics, I suggest asking the editor if they could fax you a list of codes that they send to their compositor or have their compositor send them to you. Believe me, it's also to their advantage if you work from a standardized list rather than having both of you guessing about this or making it up as you go along. ;-D Generic codes vary, I've found, as many of them are user-definable under SGML (standard generalized markup language), so it's important to get the list used by that specific publisher and compositor. If they do their page layout in house, this may be the impetus they need to develop a standardized code sheet so that the wheel won't be recreated for every book containing special characters. (BTW, if you get the list, add the codes to your cheat sheet. This truly pays off in time savings if you do a lot of work for that specific publisher.) And, yes, I've had editors go "duh?" when I've first asked for a list of codes when they want codes. Lynn Moncrief TECHindex & Docs ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:05:33 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pam Rider Subject: Re: Indexing page ranges ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- At 04:49 PM 2/12/96 ECT, you wrote: >----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >Hi all, > >I have a query regarding the format of page ranges. In a document I wish to >index, the page numbers include the chapter number (ie 3-4). I am using the >indexing facility in Interleaf (version 6.0). When this creates an entry for a >page range of (say) 3-4 to 3-6, it generates an abomination like 3-4-3-6 . > In lieu of eliminating page ranging (not serious), I might try 3-4n3-6 (with the n representing an en dash) and you might even try an em dash. Otherwise, would the following make sense? 3/4-3/6 I'll try to remember this when I come up my next problem--it's a doozy! Pam Rider Trying to walk cheerfully on the Earth prider@powergrid.electriciti.com prider@tsktsk.com http://www.electriciti.com:80/~prider/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:05:40 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charles Anderson Subject: Re: Tip of the Day In-Reply-To: <9602122151.AA20519@rs6a.wln.com> ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- A word of caution about this advice: I used to do this quite often with Windows 3.1 and in most cases it worked just fine. However, there were occasions when I would get an absolute program freeze, usually linked to a macro or abbreviation change running, so it is a bit of a risk in my mind. Have not tried it with Windows 95, nor have I had any problems accessing CINDEX through Windows 95 yet. Charles Anderson canderso@wln.com On Mon, 12 Feb 1996 Locatelli@aol.com wrote: > ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- > For those of you using CINDEX who are heavily into multi-tasking with > Windows, you might like to know about the following tip. Use the MS-DOS > access from Windows. Then when you have CINDEX up and running, press the > Alt./Enter keys at the same time. That will change CINDEX from running full > screen to a smaller window, and you can access other Windows programs/tasks. > > The Alt./Enter functions as a toggle switch that changes from full-screen to > window mode and back again. But remember, you have to access DOS through > Windows for this to function. > > Fred Leise > "Between the Lines" Indexing and Editorial Services > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:05:48 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: MCLAUGHB@cgs.edu Subject: ASI SoCal Conf. ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- The American Society of Indexers' Southern California Chapter invites you to our 1996 annual conference: Opportunities in Indexing Location: Hyatt Regency Long Beach, on the water near Shoreline Drive; 200 South Pine Avenue; Long Beach, CA 90802; 310-491-1234 Date: Saturday, March 2, 1996; 8:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. Registration fee (includes continental breakfast and lunch): ASI Members $75 (Nonmembers $85) if registered February 23; ASI Members $85 (Nonmembers $95) if registered after February 23 Cost of hotel room: $89 per night (call the number above and mention the ASI conference) Featured Topics: Editing technical Indexes for usability Indexing of periodicals compared to books Vocabulary control for indexing of periodicals Using the Internet and the World Wide Web as resources for indexing Marketing your indexing services and networking with other indexers at our luncheon roundtables Please tear at dotted line and enclose with check ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name_________________________________________________ Telephone_____________________________________________ Address_______________________________________________ City/State/Zip__________________________________________ Registration Fees: Before February 23, 1996 ASI Members: $75 ASI Members: $85 After February 23, 1996 ASI Members: $85 Nonmembers: $95 Amount enclosed:__________________ Send your check, made out to ASI SoCal, to Paula Block-Levor, 13040 Appleton Way; Los Angeles, CA 90066 If you have questions, call Paula at: (310) 915-5359; e-mail: PaulaBL@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:06:02 ECT Reply-To: Lee McKee Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lee McKee Subject: Re: Indexing page ranges ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- On Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:49:17 Simon Butler wrote: >I have a query regarding the format of page ranges. In a document I wish to >index, the page numbers include the chapter number (ie 3-4). I am using the >indexing facility in Interleaf (version 6.0). When this creates an entry for a >page range of (say) 3-4 to 3-6, it generates an abomination like 3-4-3-6 . I faced this problem recently. As you note, you cannot change the page number format. I found a precedent in a software manual (yes, I know, software manuals generally present examples of what NOT to do in an index): 3-4 - 3-6 (there being a hyphen between the pages) Fortunately for me, I could tweak Cindex to make a final draft that employed this model. But for you I'd suggest: -- while compiling the index, enter the page numbers with an odd character, like an ampersand or an asterisk--some character that you don't use otherwise--eg. 3*4-3*6 -- while editing your final draft in a word processor, do a global find and replace on the hyphens defining the range, and change them to "-" or "to" or whatever you decide to use. -- then, do a global find and replace on the odd character (like the & or *) that you used in the page numbers, to change them to hyphens. A problem with this method could be that your program may not recognize the odd character for sorting the page numbers automatically within the page citations for each heading (I assume that Interleaf has this feature). Test it on a sample. If this is the case, it may recognize periods; so use periods in the page numbers as a temporary substitute for the hyphen. But instead of doing a global find and replace in your final draft, you may have to do a sequential one (you want to check each instance of a period), since there may be periods in your headings that you don't want changed automatically to hyphens. -- Lee P.S. I have also seen parentheses used : (3-4)-(3-6) . Doesn't that evoke nightmares of new math and fourth grade set theory? Another software manual, of course. The page numbers did have parens on the actual pages, though, so this wasn't completely off the wall. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 09:06:15 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: IRCINDEX@aol.com Subject: Coding for diacritical marks ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Recently, there have been many questions and useful answers about the coding of foreign characters for submission on disk to the typesetter. Indexers preparing typesetting files directly from most indexing software have to use special codes to represent characters that are not available in the standard IBM extended character set. These codes will generally consist of sequences of two or more standard characters. Most publishers will supply their preferred coding for diacritical marks used to produce accented characters, mathematical symbols, and Greek characters, and these should be entered directly into the index as you prepare the entries. In the absence of directions from the publisher you may wish to use codes suggested by the University of Chicago Press in their "Chicago Guide to Preparing Electronic Manuscripts," Chicago, 1987. For example, Scandinavian characters such as an "a" with overcircle would be entered into the index as a and an "o" with a slash through it as o. To encode a Portuguese "a" with ~ over it you would enter a. (oc=overcircle; swe=Swedish slash; tid=tilde) Files prepared on word-processors, or passed from indexing software to the word-processor, have a greater selection of diacritical marks form which to chose, but on occasion may need to use similar generic codes for later translation at the typesetting stage. Frances S. Lennie Indexing Research IRCINDEX@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:52:36 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: REvans4@aol.com Subject: Re: Tip of the Day ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I wasn't going to say anything because I thought it was just me, but I had chronic problems with CINDEX hanging when running in a window under 3.1. It would work OK in the window, but if I maximized it to full screen it was hung. I have been using it under Win 95 with no problems. Dick Evans ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:52:45 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Wildefire@aol.com Subject: Re: Tip of the Day ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- In a message dated 96-02-13 09:41:35 EST, you write: >Have not tried it with >Windows 95, nor have I had any problems accessing CINDEX through Windows >95 yet. The cool thing about Win95 (IMHO) is being able to switch tasks by clicking on the name of the program displayed on the Task bar that you want to switch to. As I write this, AOL's software is in the foreground while Macrex is running in the background. I haven't had any problems at all accessing Macrex from Win95 nor switching between it and other tasks. Win95 doesn't even seem to care when I've accidently launched a second instance of Macrex, a goof that causes Windows 3.1 to go down in flames. Lynn Moncrief TECHindex & Docs ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:52:58 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: LBINDEX@aol.com Subject: Request for Translations ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Greetings; I'm indexing a not-to-technical computer book for semi-casual surfers. There are terms included that wish to expand. Though I've seen them many times and know their meaning in practical usage, I wish to use the complete version in parentheses after the acronym or initials. for example: LAN (Local Area Network) and FTP (File Transfer Protocol) If fellow Index-L subscribers can help unravel the following, It will save me from the task of locating and peering through other computer books to find the terms. CIM [versions] FAQs CUI [search utility] GIF [files] HTML JPEGs MOOs MUDs MUSHes NCSA [Mosaic interface] PPP [communication protocol] SLIP [communication protocol] Oops, this looks like a long list. Thanks in advance. Lee E. Brower Brower Indexing Service 1608 N. Cleveland Av. Loveland, Colorado 80538 Lbindex@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:53:07 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: M_COAHRAN%UVMVAX.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu Subject: roommate wanted for Denver ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hi folks - I would like to share a room with someone (female) at the conference in Denver. Is anyone interested? I don't yet have reservations, but I plan to be there May 15 to May 18 (inclusive). Marge Coahran ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:53:18 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: Indexing page ranges ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >I have a query regarding the format of page ranges. In a document I wish to >index, the page numbers include the chapter number (ie 3-4). I am using the >indexing facility in Interleaf (version 6.0). When this creates an entry for a >page range of (say) 3-4 to 3-6, it generates an abomination like 3-4-3-6 . I would change the chapter/page separator to a dot (and include an explanatory note at the head of the index), so 3-4 would become 3.4. Then your page range becomes 3.4-3.6, which is at least readable. Cheers, ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:18:51 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Sandford Pty Ltd Subject: FOREIGN WORDS AND ITALICS ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Hello, I've been lurking for a while and enjoying the discussion, this is my first posting. So far it has bounced back to me twice as "host unknown" so perhaps this is third time lucky! Heather wrote >>I've been working on an index for a book on Japanese culture and >>there are some instances where I would like to use a "see" or >>"see also" reference to the English equivalent of a Japanese word. >>Since I'd like to use italics for the Japanese word, what should >>I use for "see" and "see also", when there is an italicized word >>on one side and a roman word on the other? >> I worked for some time on a major encyclopaedia of the Australian law. We had a similar problem to the one you describe in the footnotes where a "see" or "see also" reference might be followed by a word in italics. We took the view that where the reference was followed by italics the reference should be in roman, and vice versa. Our reasoning was based on the fact that it was necessary for the reader to clearly and quickly discern where to go to find the information. The words after "see" or "see also" are the real substance of the reference and any decision should be made in relation to these words. This may not be quite so clear cut in an index, but I think I would still lean the same way where there were many such references. If only a handful, I would follow convention and italicise the reference words. Cheers, Susan. ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss Susan Sandford, Susan Sandford Pty Ltd., Ph. (+61 3) 9482 2695 Fax (+61 3) 9482 6595 E-mail susans@vicnet.net.au ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:23:16 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Larry Harrison Subject: Re: Tip of the Day ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Lynn wrote: >The cool thing about Win95 (IMHO) is being able to switch tasks by clicking >on the name of the program displayed on the Task bar that you want to switch >to. >..snip... >Win95 doesn't even seem >to care when I've accidently launched a second instance of Macrex, a goof >that causes Windows 3.1 to go down in flames. Macintosh advantage #27. It won't launch a second instance of an application. Larry Harrison (larryh@millcomm.com) Freelance book indexing Rochester, Minnesota ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:24:19 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: F.Saldicco@agora.stm.it Subject: A NEW WWW PAGE. ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Franco A. Volta announces the setting up of a new WWW page by the C.I.R.T. - International Center for Retrieval of New, Ancient and Rare Books. This page gives an up-to date list of new italian books on: 1. Archaeology, Antiquities and Classical Philology. 2. Architecture. 3. Art. 4. Cinema. 5. Herakles Project 6. History. 7. Incunabula (microfilms) 8. Manuscripts (microfilms) 6. Music. 7. XVI-XVII-XVIII Centuries (microfilms) The web pages are still in construction. More links to come: -Geography, Geology. -Economics, Sociology. -Library Science. -Literature, Linguistics. -Mathematics, Computer Science. -Philosophy. -Technology, Engineering, Physics, Astronomy. The address is: http://italia.hum.utah.edu/gruppo/volta/cirt.html ***************************** All contacts and requests of information must be addressed to: Franco A. Volta C.I.R.T. : International Center for Retrieval of New, Ancient and Rare Books. P.O. Box 7254 - 00100 Roma/Italy. P.O. Box 2591 - New York, NY 10185 Fax: 0039 6 4826073 E-mail: f.volta@agora.stm.it ***************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:44:59 ECT Reply-To: Lee McKee Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lee McKee Subject: Re: Indexing page ranges ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- On Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:53:18 Carol Roberts wrote: >---------------Original message---------------------------- >>I have a query regarding the format of page ranges. In a document I wish to >>index, the page numbers include the chapter number (ie 3-4). When this >>creates an entry for a page range of (say) 3-4 to 3-6, it generates an abomina tion >> like 3-4-3-6 . >I would change the chapter/page separator to a dot (and include an >explanatory note at the head of the index), so 3-4 would become 3.4. Then >your page range becomes 3.4-3.6, which is at least readable. However, changing the hyphen to a period is not an option (according to the original writer), and still would not be an option if the . scheme is already being used to designate chapter subsections or paragraphs (a la Chicago Manual), as in a textbook, guide, or technical manual. It would be too confusing to the reader, even with explanatory notes. It would make more sense, in such cases, if the client wanted us to index to the subsections. But, as we know, the client seldom thinks of what would make sense--why else would they put hyphens in chapter numbers? -- Lee ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:48:12 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Denver roomie also ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- Women: I'm staying over Sat. night but my roomate isn't. If you're in that position, too, wanna split a room for just that night? Cheers, Carol Carol Roberts, indexer and copy editor | Life is good. Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com | Milwaukee, WI | ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:49:41 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: PatDex@aol.com Subject: Re: Help with extended characters ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I've also been recently faced with reproducing certain diacritics that are not available in my indexing software (Cindex6). Per the client's request, the letter/diacritic is represented within angle brackets: letter to be accented followed by the first letter of the diacritic. Although the list is probably not complete, the Chicago Manual of Style, 13th Edition, 9.11 on page 253, furnishes the names (and examples) of the diacritical marks most commonly used in European and Asian languages. For the purpose of the angle bracket coding, the eight marks have filled my needs. Hope this helps. Pat Deminna ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:47:12 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Skuster Subject: Request for translations ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- There were multiple replies to this question...I have put them into one message. Charlotte From: REvans4@aol.com The follwoing are: FAQs = Frequently Asked Questions GIF = Graphics Interchange Format HTML = HyperText Markup Language JPEG = Joint Photographic Experts Group MOO = Multi-User Dimensions: Object Oriented MUD = Multi-User Dimensions (or Domains) NCSA = National Center for Supercomputing Applications PPP = Point to Point Protocol SLIP = Serial Line Internet Protocol I don't know these: CIM [versions] MUSHes CUI [search utility] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: becohen@prairienet.org (Barbara E. Cohen) NCSA Mosaic indicates National Center for Supercomputing Applications, which is at the University of Illinois at urbana-Champaign. It is one of the NSF-funded supercomputing centers natioanlly, and Mosaic was written there. Therefore, the "real" name of "Mosaic" is "NCSA Mosaic" ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Isawriter@aol.com I will let others address the areas outside my definition specialty, which is MUSHES and MOOs. My copy of "Internet Basics" by Lambert and Howe (Random House) says they are both synonyms for MUDs. I remember Dick Evans asking about these two definitions, and he might be able to add clarity. My foggy memory seems to think there were alternative definitions. Sounds like a fun book. Good luck on the project. Craig Brown :{) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lmckee@user1.channel1.com (Lee McKee) >CIM [versions] Could be CompuServe Information Manager. >FAQs Frequently Asked Questions (a file of questions and answers which might otherwise clog up the bandwidth of a newsgroup) >GIF [files] Graphic image file; it also is the extension for such files. I have never seen this spelled out in a manual, and I have read my fair share of computer manuals. >HTML Hypertext markup language; used for writing web pages. >JPEGs Joint Photographic Experts Group: the people who developed this particular standard for graphic compression. Again, I have never seen this spelled out in a manual or any other context. It's the extension used on real operating systems, like OS/2 and UNIX. *.jpg is used for DOS-based systems that can't handle large filenames and extensions, like Windows95. >MOOs MUD, Object -Oriented >MUDs Multi-User Domain >MUSHes Multi-User Shared Hallucination (because it's used in role-playing games) >NCSA [Mosaic interface] National Center for Supercomputing Applications >PPP [communication protocol] Point-to-Point Protocol. Haven't seen this spelled out much >SLIP [communication protocol] Serial Line Internet Protocol. Haven't seen this spelled out much You may want to reconsider expanding some of these. One rarely sees these spelled out in the real world--they are known by their acronyms, and expansion just serves curiosity, not access. I think that FAQ may deserve to be spelled out, but I'm not sure about GIF and JPEG, and maybe even NCSA. Before you get too bogged down in this, why don't you contact your editor and see if this is what s/he wants. If they're not spelling them out in the text, do they really want it done in the index? There are computer glossaries on the web: Black Box: http://www.blackbox.com/bb/refer/glossary/n.html/tigbbbe Babel: http://www.access.digex.net/~ikind/babel96a.html and others. Hope this helps -- another Lee ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jay Jordan CIM [versions]? FAQs = frequently-asked questions CUI [search utility]? GIF [files] = graphics interchange format HTML = hypertext markup language JPEGs = Joint Photographic Engineers Group [this is the name of the organization that developed this file compression tool] MOOs? MUDs = multi-user dimension/dungeon MUSHes? NCSA [Mosaic interface]? PPP [communication protocol] = point-to-point protocol SLIP [communication protocol] = serial line internet protocol -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Diane Benison <76620.460@compuserve.com> Here's a partial answer to your question about the initialisms on your list. CIM [versions]=CompuServe Information Manager. This is the DOS version of the software used by us CompusServe folks. The Windows version is called--WinCim [version #] FAQs=Frequently Asked Questions CUI [search utility]= GIF [files]=graphic information file (This is a file format specification. I think this is the correct English translation, but you better double check) HTML=hypertext markup language JPEGs=Joint Photographic Experts Group MOOs= MUDs= MUSHes NCSA [Mosaic interface] PPP [communication protocol]=Point-to-Point Protocol SLIP [communication protocol]=Serial Line Internet Protocol See and copy the article in "PCMagazine" of Jan. 9, 1996 for English-language explanations of other initialisms. It begins on page 259. Part 2 ran in the Jan. 23 issue starting on page 211. PCMagazine publishes such explanations regularly so this is not the definitive list, merely what the editors thought needed to be covered now. Also, if you have a Web browser you can check out the ZiffDavis web site at http://www.pcmag.com I don't know for sure, but I suspect that you'll find an answer to most of your questions by browsing the reference material there. Good luck. Diane Bension -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FREEMAN@gonzo.ccl.org For Lee and others who want to expand an acronym relating to computing, information technology, and similar areas, there is an _acronym expander_ on the WWW. The URL is: http://habrok.uio.no/cgi-bin/acronyms I tried it on several of the ones that Lee needed and got expansions for all of them -- but no guarantees on their accuracy ;{). --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@compuserve.com> Lee -- I often index books with the acronyms you listed. FYI ... here are the most common spelled-out versions of the acronyms you asked about: CIM CompuServe Information Manager (Note: The book should indicate what PC or Mac versions it refers to) FAQs Frequently Asked Questions (Note: Many Internet discussion lists and Usenet newsgroups have FAQs) CUI Common User Interface (Note: a component of IBM's Systems Application Architecture) GIF Graphics Interface Format HTML HyperText Markup Language (Note: a programming/tagging language for authoring Web documents) JPEG Joint Photographic Experts Group MOOs MUD, Object-Oriented MUDs Multi-User Dungeons (or Multi-User Dimensions) (Note: interactive role-playing games on the Internet) MUSHes Multi-User Shared Hallucination (Note: or, possibly, Multi-User SHells) NCSA National Center for Supercomputing Applications (Note: developers of Mosaic, a World-Wide Web interface) PPP Point-to-Point Protocol (Note: required for some Internet access/e-mail software) SLIP Serial Link Interface Protocol (Note: required for some Internet access/e-mail software) BTW, for future reference, you can use AOL to connect to ASI's Home Page (http://www.well.com/user/asi), which has links to a dictionary of computing and to an acronym dictionary. You may find other variations of these acronyms if you access those Web sites. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carol.Roberts@mixcom.com (Carol Roberts) Here are some answers I was able to find in various computer books. Obviously, an acronym could have more than one meaning. > >CIM: computer-integrated manufacturing (maybe that's not the one you're >looking for, though) >FAQs: frequently asked questions >CUI: Centre Universitaire d'Informatique >GIF: graphics interchange format >HTML: HyperText Markup Language >JPEG: Joint Photographic Expert Group >MOOs >MUDs >MUSHes >NCSA: National Center for Supercomputer Applications >PPP: Point-to-Point Protocol >SLIP: Serial-Line Internet Protocol There should be a Web site for computer terms. If you use Netscape, go to the computer category. Cheers, Carol ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:47:38 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pega Hrnjak Subject: Re: Request for Translations ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >----------------------------Original message---------------------------- >Greetings; > >I'm indexing a not-to-technical computer book for semi-casual surfers. There >are terms included that wish to expand. Though I've seen them many times and >know their meaning in practical usage, I wish to use the complete version in >parentheses after the acronym or initials. > >for example: LAN (Local Area Network) and FTP (File Transfer Protocol) > >If fellow Index-L subscribers can help unravel the following, It will save me >from the task of locating and peering through other computer books to find >the terms. > >CIM [versions] >FAQs >CUI [search utility] >GIF [files] >HTML >JPEGs >MOOs >MUDs >MUSHes >NCSA [Mosaic interface] >PPP [communication protocol] >SLIP [communication protocol] > >Oops, this looks like a long list. Thanks in advance. > >Lee E. Brower >Brower Indexing Service >1608 N. Cleveland Av. >Loveland, Colorado 80538 >Lbindex@aol.com ___________________________________________ Here are some: CIM : CompuServe Information Manager FAQs : Frequently Asked Questions CUI : or GUI ? (for Mosaic) Graphical User Interface GIF : Graphics Interchange Format HTML : HyperText Markup Language JPEGs: (image type) Joint Photographic Expert Group MOOs : ? MUDs : Multi-User Dungeons (Dimension) MUSHes : ? NCSA : National Center for Supercomputing Applications (at University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign) PPP : Point-to-Point Protocol SLIP : Serial Line Internet Protocol Ivana ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:47:49 ECT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Neva J. Smith" Subject: Using CINDEX through DOS window (Tip of the Day) ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- As a follow-up to Dick's comments about Cindex and Windows: My experience using Cindex through a Windows 3.1 DOS window has be fairly trouble-free. I use the Alt-Enter combination to put Cindex in a window so I can do other tasks along with indexing. The only glitch that arises from time to time is sometimes the keyboard loses touch with Cindex command line. The problem was always resolved by using Alt-Enter to change the window size. (The direction didn't matter- small window to full screen or vice versa.) After making the change and typing anything into Cindex, the widow can be changed back to my preferred size, and I continue as usual. Happy Valentine's Day, Neva = < +> = * = < +> = * = < +> = * = < + > = * = < + > = * = < + > = * = < + > = Neva J. Smith, MLIS DataSmiths Information Services PO Box 2157, Round Rock, TX 78680-2157 njsmith@bga.com & voice/fax +1-512-244-2767 Editor, _Library Currents_ PO Box 2199, Round Rock, TX 78680-2199