From: SMTP%"LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu" 26-MAR-1998 05:47:33.03 To: CIRJA02 CC: Subj: File: "INDEX-L LOG9802C" Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 04:42:55 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB (1.8a) Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9802C" To: CIRJA02@GSVMS1.CC.GASOU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 23:35:36 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Joanne E. Clendenen" Organization: AfterWords Indexing Services Subject: Re: usda Although I took the second USDA course back in 1994, I think, I assume it hasn't changed that much. I actually liked it better than the first one, in some respects. The big difference was that the basic skills were assumed, and the whole course was just excerpt after excerpt from different books, and you had to index each one. You index, you get feedback. It's almost like on-the-job training. I was honored to have been instructed by Bevanne Ross, who put some fascinating science materials in her version. I think there's more of a mix of subjects now, but hers were definitely a good challenge! I know people tend to blow off the second course because they know the basics already, but it's great practice. Kind of like getting your feet wet without having to jump in the deep end. Joanne -- AfterWords Indexing Services Joanne E. Clendenen email: jbclend@bigfoot.com http://www.flash.net/~jbclend ---------------- "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not any simpler." Einstein ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1988 13:44:17 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Deirdre Exell Pirro Subject: thesaurus software Hello, I'm not sure that my query is fully pertinent to this LIST but I am currently searching for software to use in the preparation of a multi-lingual thesarus. Initially the project will involve only two languages and is in the legal domain. I would be grateful if any of you have experience with thesaurus construction and have used any software that you could recommend and feel would meet the special demands of a multi-lingual environment. With many thanks in advance, Deirdre Exell Pirro Pirro & Associates Legal Information Consultants and Brokers Florence - Italy pirro@mail.cosmos.it ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 07:26:37 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Martha Wood Subject: usda-a couple more questions For those of you who completed the first and/or second usda courses: On average, about how much time per week does coursework take? Did any of you pursue indexing jobs while taking the course or did you wait until you finished? How have your careers progressed?? Thanks, Martha (full of questions) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:21:43 -0500 Reply-To: brocindx@catskill.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin A. Broccoli" Organization: Broccoli Indexing Services Subject: Re: usda-a couple more questions Martha Wood wrote: > > For those of you who completed the first and/or second usda courses: > On average, about how much time per week does coursework take? > Did any of you pursue indexing jobs while taking the course or did you wait > until you finished? > How have your careers progressed?? > Thanks, > Martha (full of questions) I would say that the lessons in the 1st course take less time than in the 2nd because there is less index preparation (only 3 or so). You could do many lessons in a couple of hours. The indexes will take quite a bit more time. Of course, it depends too if you've had past indexing experience of not. The last lesson (preparing an index for an agricultural article) took me forever because at that point the only indexes I had done were the other 2 or 3 in the course. What takes so long is waiting for the lessons to come back. Average wait is one month. I have waited even up to 7 weeks at times. However, the lessons that are not indexes can be done while waiting for the other to come in. Also, there is a lot one can do to learn more between lessons. (Write again if interested in knowing exactly what). As far as pursuing work while taking the courses- I started marketing just recently although I still have not completed the 2nd course. (I am about 1/2-way through.) I waited till this point because I wanted to feel totally confident that I could do a decent job. Generally, it takes one year to go through each course. This is probably the reason many skip the 2nd one. However, I think if one is going to hit the market after the 1st course, he might as well take the 2nd to improve his skills and busy him/herself with it between jobs. Hope this helps. Kevin A. Broccoli Broccoli Indexing Services brocindx@catskill.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:16:44 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ken Reigner Subject: Reminder: WIW Home Office Tech. Conference, Feb. 21, Wash., DC * REMINDER * WIW 1998 Home Office Technology Conference To Help Writers Boost Their Business Using Cyber Skills Washington Independent Writers (WIW) is sponsoring a home office technology conference to help those who work at home navigate their way through cyberspace and the latest technology to publication. Entitled "Embracing Technology: Putting Your Home Office to Work for You," the conference will be held Saturday, February 21, at the University Club, 1135 16th St. N.W. in Washington, D.C., from 8 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. Early reservations are encouraged. 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[Please forgive the cross-posts.] - 30 - -- Ken Reigner cbs@digex.net Member, Board of Directors List Owner, WIW-L and WIW-JOBS Chairman, Technology Committee wiw-l-request@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu Washington Independent Writers wiw-jobs-request@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:01:58 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Roberts Subject: Re: feedback from editors (was: usda) In-Reply-To: <199802150521.XAA00987@mixcom.mixcom.com> Kevin said: >Indexers >seldom hear feedback of a positive nature, except in the way of being >used again by the same publisher. Has that been lots of other indexers' experience, too? That's a little disturbing, since feedback is so important. I get quite a bit of feedback from my clients. In the cover letter (or e-mail) I send with the finished index, I usually include a line like, "Please let me know if there's anything you'd like to see done differently in the future." I think editors should let indexers know at least whether the author was happy with the index. If they don't, I have to assume it's because they're pretty busy and may not even realize that an indexer *needs* feedback. But perhaps they don't give too much feedback for the same reason we don't always think to send our compliments to the chef after a great meal in a restaurant. Anyway, I'm not above gently nudging the editor. Cheers, Carol ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:00:45 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Metzger, Lucinda" Subject: Re: usda-a couple more questions Hi - I've been lurking on the list for a while, getting a feel for whether or not I might like to move into indexing from my current writing position. This discussion on the USDA course is great, but where can I get information on course content, how to enroll, tuition costs, etc? TIA, Cindy cmetzger@dukane.com >---------- >From: Martha Wood[SMTP:martha@EN.COM] >Sent: Sunday, February 15, 1998 6:26 AM >To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L >Subject: usda-a couple more questions > >For those of you who completed the first and/or second usda courses: >On average, about how much time per week does coursework take? >Did any of you pursue indexing jobs while taking the course or did you wait >until you finished? >How have your careers progressed?? >Thanks, >Martha (full of questions) > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:31:26 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: JPerlman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: feedback from editors/working for authors Carol (and others), Just to chime in with my experience. I very rarely get feedback from editors. I have a few long-time clients who often say "you did your usual great job" or something like that, but it is very rare for me to get specific feedback on a job. Most of the time, if and when I do, it's because the author has checked over my work and would like something done differently. So that's on the part of the author, not the publisher's rep. Even that is rare. Usually I hear nothing. As for positive feedback, my impression is that most editors are so busy and schedule-oriented that they simply don't have time for that kind of thing. I get more positive feedback from the authors I work for than from editors. Despite some of the horror stories I've heard from fellow indexers about working for authors, I've had only positive experiences, and find that by and large, they are very appreciative and even in awe of the intellectual labor that goes into creating an index for their book. I'd be interested in hearing more "indexing for author" stories. Am I the unusual one here to have had so many positive experiences. I really enjoy working for "the other side" -- the authors. Janet Perlman Southwest Indexing ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:42:22 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: WordenDex@AOL.COM Subject: Re: feedback from editors/working for authors If at all possible I prefer to work directly with authors. They've often tried indexingt themselves and have a clue as to what's involved so they have been very appreciative of the work I've done. The difference between working 'with' and working 'for' puts a a collaborataive feeling into our joint effort. Diane in Kazoo ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:58:30 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Holler Subject: Re: usda-a couple more questions Dear Lucinda, You can find the information you are looking for at: http://grad.usda.gov either follow the links to the Editing courses or go more directly by going to: http://grad.usda.gov/corres/crslst.html I do want to make sure I wasn't misunderstood in reference to the second indexing course. I have learned so much with this course, each of the indexing lessons is not only different subject matter - but also different indexing styles. You definitely need to do your research each and every lesson because they are all unique. I just feel that sometimes the instructor could step out of the editor rule and make a few comments as your instructor. Hope this helps, Susan ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:35:32 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Elizabeth M. Moys" Subject: Index conversion Last autumn (fall) I asked for information about indexes to books which had been converted from paper to CD-ROMs. No-one at all replied, so I am re-posting my query - someone can surely help me in this little research project? Please? (Perhaps it got caught by a technical glitch, and did not appear at all) Books becoming CD-ROMS Books are being re-published as CD-ROMS in considerable numbers. This obviously has implications for indexes and indexing. I am trying to make a study of the questions involved and what has been happening so far. I should be grateful for any information which Index-Lers could provide. For example: Have any books which you indexed in paper format been converted to CD- ROM? Please give names and subjects covered. I am particularly keen to learn about non-legal books (being a law indexer myself) If so, is the paper version still available? Does the CD-ROM version contain your index? Has it been changed, if so, how? Were you invited to perform any tasks in connection with the conversion, e.g. adding more entries, amending entries? If your index was not used, what searching facilities did the publishers provide? What program was used by the publishers to effect the conversion? Can you offer any further information about the conversion process and its results? What is your opinion of what has happened to the index(es). I should be very grateful if anyone with news or views would contact me, at the address below. Also, please let me know if you have any samples which you would be willing to fax to me, but please DO NOT send faxes without warning my paper supply might run out! Thank you, Betty ==================================================================== Elizabeth M. Moys email: betty@moys.demon.co.uk Phone & Fax: +44 (0)1959-534530 Hengist, Badgers Road, Badgers Mount, Sevenoaks, Kent, TN14 7AT, England ==================================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:52:19 -0600 Reply-To: bookend@theonramp.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Danzi Hernandez Subject: Re: usda-a couple more questions > > For those of you who completed the first and/or second usda courses: > On average, about how much time per week does coursework take? > Did any of you pursue indexing jobs while taking the course or did you wait > until you finished? > How have your careers progressed?? > Thanks, > Martha (full of questions) > Martha, I waited until I had finished the first course before I started marketing. I wanted specific indexing work on my resume - the course completion date and my last index as a sample index. Without that course, I can't really sell my skills to publishers. I opted against the 2nd course because the USDA administration on the first was so slow and frustrating. I disagree that the first course should take one year - I did it in less than 5 months even while sometimes waiting 4 weeks for work to be returned. If you want to get it done fast, you can. Several months ago there was a discussion on the list about how to approach publishers for the first time. A woman who hires indexers gave some great advice. Check the Index-L archives for the discussion that took place from 10/8/97 to 10/9/97. If you can't find it, I can send you a summary of it. Susan Hernandez BookEnd Indexing bookend@theonramp.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:37:33 LCL Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Robert Wittorf Subject: Cataloging Position PLEASE POST THE FOLLOWING POSITION: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D UNIVERSITY LIBRARIES OF NOTRE DAME Theology/ Catholic Americana Cataloging Librarian The University Libraries of Notre Dame seek a cataloging librarian to expand access to resources in theology and Catholic Americana, both those held locally and those available elsewhere. Responsible for creating bibliographic records by applying established standards of bibliographic control including Anglo-American Cataloging Rules, 2d ed.rev., L.C. Rule Interpretations, and OCLC's Bibliographic Formats and Standards, and for contributing name authority records to the NACO project. Trains and directs the work of copy cataloger who also provides support for original cataloging in the relevant subjects. Works with library colleagues to maximize the usefulness of resources in the subject fields by employing features of the Libraries integrated system, network applications, and appropriate metadata schemes. Cooperates with the Theology and Catholic Americana librarians to support the work of students and faculty in these fields. Participates in departmental planning and cataloging policy development. Responsible for maintaining professional awareness in the fields of library and information science. Qualifications: Graduate degree in library science from an ALA-accredited school or a documented foreign equivalent, and a strong academic background in theology, religious studies, or church history is required. Strong working knowledge of Latin and Romance languages (especially French and Italian). At least 3 years of post-MLS experience in cataloging theological materials in an academic setting, preferably including those relating to Catholic history and traditions. Experience in the application of current standards in the creation of bibliographic and authority records, in using a bibliographic utility, preferably OCLC, and with an integrated system in a Windows environment. Excellent communication, analytical and problem-solving skills, flexibility, and an innovative approach necessary. Working knowledge of Hebrew, experience as a contributor to NACO, and knowledge of HTML, SGML, and emerging metadata standards desirable. Strong interest in applying knowledge of information organization to Library initiatives in database and web page design, organization of Internet resources, and the development of the Libraries new client-server based integrated library system. Ability to work productively in a cooperative environment. Faculty appointment. Minimum salary $36,000 with competitive benefits. Send letter of application, resum=82, and the names and addresses of three professional references to: Sharon A. Veith, Human Resources Representative, 221 Hesburgh Library, Notre Dame, Indiana 46556, by April 15, 1998 for assured consideration. NOTRE DAME IS AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY/ AFFIRMATIVE ACTION EMPLOYER; APPLICATION FROM MINORITY AND DISABLED INDIVIDUALS ENCOURAGED. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:56:44 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: feedback from editors (was: usda) At 02:01 PM 2/15/1998 -0600, Carol Roberts wrote: >Has that been lots of other indexers' experience, too? That's a little >disturbing, since feedback is so important. I get quite a bit of feedback >from my clients. In the cover letter (or e-mail) I send with the finished >index, I usually include a line like, "Please let me know if there's >anything you'd like to see done differently in the future." After years of not hearing much, if anything, about completed indexes, I started sending a stamped, self-addressed postcard with the work, asking the same question and giving a place for the editor to indicate what I should do with the page proofs. This worked maybe 50% of the time. Now that most indexes I do are submitted electronically, I do what you do--send a message asking for feedback. I rarely hear anything; repeat business is the only way I know the work is satisfactory! Right now, I am doing a massive indexing job that come up annually and that I've been doing for at least seven years. In all that time, I've gotten exactly =one= short list of corrections, additions, changes, etc., from the multiple authors. I ask my editor every year if there are any changes or corrections from the last edition, but except for that one time, I've never gotten anything. She always seems pleased with my work, but she doesn't work with the indexes herself as a finished product. I'd really like to hear more from users and authors about what they think. That's how I learn and grow. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 14:25:45 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dawn Spencer Subject: Newspaper/Periodical Indexing Greetings to all! Recently got a job for a newspaper's annual index. HOORAY!!! My question is: Where are good information sources for addressing the special needs of this type of indexing? The only thing I've seen, so far, is in Indexing A-Z (author's name fails me). Are there any other sources that offer specific tips? Thanks! Dawn indexlady@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:43:59 -0800 Reply-To: cself@rocketmail.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Chad Self Subject: finding LDBASE New subscriber looking for LDBASE interface for easier seaches of index databases. Any ideas as to a download site? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:57:44 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "David T. Terry" Subject: ContEd: Indexing Workshop (TX) Space is still available (but limited) for this workshop. Call or email=20 if you would like for me to fax or mail you a brochure/registration info. CONTINUING EDUCATION SEMINAR sponsored by The University of Texas at Austin, Graduate School of Library and Information Science: HOW TO INDEX USING CINDEX=99 SOFTWARE: BASIC STRATEGIES=20 AND TECHNIQUES will be held on Friday, March 6, 1998 at the UT Thompson Conference Center, from 9:00am - 4:00pm. The registration fee is $195. A .5 Continuing Education Unit (CEU) from the University of Texas at Austin will be awarded for attending=20 this workshop. SPEAKERS: The instructors will be Hermina Anghelescu, doctoral candidate at the Graduate=20 School of Library and Information Science, The University of Texas at= Austin,=20 and Linda Webster, a freelance indexer and indexing instructor. WHO SHOULD ATTEND: This seminar is designed for: =B7 Those who are interested in exploring a freelance career in indexing and= =20 beginning indexers who would like to enhance their indexing skills. =B7 Those who need to do inhouse indexing of local library collections and library publications, including special librarians. =B7 Technical writers and other authors of nonfiction who need to index= their=20 own publications. =B7 Journal and book editors who proofread and edit indexes created by= others. PROGRAM: A practical introduction to basic indexing techniques for journals, databases,=20 and back-of-the-book indexes for beginning indexers. Topics include choice of=20 main headings and subheading, alphabetization, cross-references, style and= =20 format. Presentation will include examples from different subject fields= and=20 hands-on exercises for participants. There will also be a demonstration of= =20 CINDEX=99 indexing software, available for both Windows and Macintosh=20 platforms. Participants will have the opportunity to practice indexing with= =20 CINDEX, and will receive a demo copy of CINDEX to take home. For brochure/registration form, send your fax number or mailing address to David Terry, dterry@uts.cc.utexas.edu, (512) 471-8806, GSLIS, SZB 564, The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, TX 78712-1276. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:38:40 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Hector Echeverria Subject: Re: thesaurus software << I would be grateful if any of you have experience with thesaurus construction and have used any software that you could recommend and feel would meet the special demands of a multi-lingual environment. >> Take a look at MultiTes. You can download a free demo package from: http://www.cris.com/~multites E-mail: MultiTes@aol.com Jennifer Torres Consultant Thesauri@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:14:44 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was maryann@ITASCA.REVISOR.LEG.STATE.MN.US From: Maryann Corbett Organization: Revisor of Statutes Subject: Re: Newspaper/Periodical Indexing Dawn Spencer wrote: > > Recently got a job for a newspaper's annual index. HOORAY!!! > > My question is: Where are good information sources for addressing the special > needs of this type of indexing? There is a listserv for newspaper librarians, and last I knew it was managed by Barbara Semonche (or is it Simonche?), a veritable fountain of info about newspaper information management. Look for materials by her; she may also have a web page. -- Maryann Corbett Language Specialist Office of the Revisor of Statutes Minnesota Legislature 612-297-2952 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:37:17 +1100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sandra Henderson Subject: Re: Newspaper/Periodical Indexing Dawn, there's a bibliography of articles on the topic of newspaper indexing at http://sunsite.unc.edu/journalism/indexbib.html Sandra Henderson Canberra, Australia >---------- >From: Maryann Corbett[SMTP:maryann.corbett@REVISOR.LEG.STATE.MN.US] >Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 1998 9:14AM >To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L >Subject: Re: Newspaper/Periodical Indexing > >Dawn Spencer wrote: >> >> Recently got a job for a newspaper's annual index. HOORAY!!! >> >> My question is: Where are good information sources for addressing the >>special >> needs of this type of indexing? > >There is a listserv for newspaper librarians, and last I knew it was >managed by Barbara Semonche (or is it Simonche?), a veritable fountain >of info about newspaper information management. Look for materials by >her; she may also have a web page. >-- >Maryann Corbett >Language Specialist >Office of the Revisor of Statutes >Minnesota Legislature >612-297-2952 > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:45:46 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sandra Merz Bott Subject: Freelance indexer fluent in Spanish needed I oversee the freelance indexing for a small publisher and we are looking for an indexer who can index an exercise manual written in Spanish. We are also looking for a freelance copyeditor and proofreader fluent in Spanish. Thanks for your help. Sandra Merz Bott Human Kinetics ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:18:09 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Nicholas A. McKelvy" Subject: wINDEX Hello - I am a new indexer looking for advice on what kind of software to buy. I knnow that CINDEX and MACREX are popular, but they are very expensive. Has anyone had any experience with the software wINDEX? It is considerably cheaper, and I'd be happy to choose it if it's a good product. Thanks. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:09:25 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "William H. Anger" Subject: Re: Newspaper/Periodical Indexing In-Reply-To: <199802162250.RAA20074@bryant.edu> Hello. The group for newspaper librarians is the News Division of the Special Libraries Association. Barbara Semonche, from UNC Chapel Hill School of Journalism Library does maintain their website and listserv (I'm sure with help - don't mean to forget anyone else's contributions!) The website is at http://sunsite.unc.edu/slanews/ You may reach the listserv at http://sunsite.unc.edu/journalism/newslib.html Thanks. Bill. William H. Anger, Jr. Edith M. Hodgson Memorial Library Bryant College 1150 Douglas Pike Smithfield, RI 02917-1284 (401)232-6299 e-mail: wanger@bryant.edu personal home page: http://web.bryant.edu/~wanger/anger.html Rhode Island Chapter SLA Web Page: http://web.bryant.edu/~wanger/slari.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:53:52 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Roberta Horowitz Subject: Re: Newspaper/Periodical Indexing You might find information on the newspaper librarians on the Special Libraries Association home page, http://www.sla.org Roberta Horowitz rhorowitz@acm.org At 04:14 PM 2/16/98 -0600, you wrote: >Dawn Spencer wrote: >> >> Recently got a job for a newspaper's annual index. HOORAY!!! >> >> My question is: Where are good information sources for addressing the special >> needs of this type of indexing? > >There is a listserv for newspaper librarians, and last I knew it was >managed by Barbara Semonche (or is it Simonche?), a veritable fountain >of info about newspaper information management. Look for materials by >her; she may also have a web page. >-- >Maryann Corbett >Language Specialist >Office of the Revisor of Statutes >Minnesota Legislature >612-297-2952 > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:04:15 -0800 Reply-To: cself@rocketmail.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Chad Self Subject: LDBASE requests I/m a new subscriber to index-l, and I'm more than a little confused. What I'd like to do is search index-l on "marketing", or at least be able to find a maketing 'thread' I recieved a message to read "LISTDB MEMO" which I've pulled down and fought thru. The commands it gives me won't work. I get back an erropr message like this one: "This is not the proper way to access the LISTSERV database. You should either use the LDBASE user interface for interactive access or submit a DATABASE job. Please refer to LISTDB MEMO (available via an INFO DATABASE command) for more information." I haven't yet found commands that work sans LDBASE. Obviously I've missed something somewhere. I thought I could do this without LDBASE. If not, I'll be looking for a downloadable LDBASE interface. Grateful for any suggestions. %Chad Self% _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:23:57 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Virginia Dais Subject: Re: wINDEX Nicholas, I am also a new indexer (new within the last year) and I use wINDEX. I LOVE IT! It is so easy to use. I just completed my 11th book and have become pretty proficient with its use. I have only had one problem but in talking with the providers (Susan Holbert) was able to QUICKLY resolve it. The manual provided walks you through it easily. It was a great investment for me and it is perfectly capable of doing the job for me. Good luck if you go with it!! Virginia A. Dais, Ph.D. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:31:37 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Noeline Bridge Subject: Re: Feedback from editors/working with authors Like Janet, I have received more positive feedback from authors than editors. After the time-consuming and ego-battering process of finding a publisher, then all the editing and rewriting necessary to lick their book into shape for publication, authors have often told me what a shock it is to realize that they had now to index the thing just as they thought they'd finished! Some haven't a clue how to go about it; others indexed their first books and said never again. Either way, the gratitude of authors (matched by appropriate payment, of course!) helps make indexing one of the most gratifying tasks I've ever done. I almost never get any feedback from editors and, like Sonsie and Janet, know I've satisfied them only when I get more work from them. However, on the few occasions when an editor did compliment me (one, a new editor, telephoning especially to say so--mind you, she's never sent me anything else to index!), it's made not only my day but several others as well. I like to think that I don't need it; that I'm always thinking and reading and going over my past indexes to see how I can improve my work, and that my own critique is best. However, feedback from a publisher I've worked with a lot, saying that the author wanted significantly more detail included than I thought desirable, did clarify expectations better. In talking to the publisher, I found that he had wanted me to include more detail all along, while I had always assumed, because he gave me such a mean space for the index (which I was sticking to) and because of something he said when I began working for the firm, that he wanted me to paint the index with a broad brush, as it were. He assured me that he could well squish the index into the space--and he gave me another page for my next index. So both of us ended up happier, while agreeing that the author was asking for the inclusion of far too much trivia. Noeline Bridge BRIDGEWORK nbridge@planet.eon.net 10979 123 Street Edmonton, AB T5M 0E1 Canada phone 403-452-8325 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:26:58 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Craig Brown Subject: Re: Feedback from editors/working with authors It is important to keep the index in perspective. As indexers we enter the book's production cycle at the tail end, often when some other component has slowed it down. Whether the book is behind schedule or not I suspect most editors are grateful for the least amount of involvement they have to expend with the indexer. They wish to get the book to press. If you want to distinguish yourself as an indexer, put in a little extra effort and return the index ahead of schedule. Not always possible, especially on very short deadlines, but if you can do it without sacrificing quality the editor will appreciate it. I am fortunate to work with editors who often give me feedback, usually kind words, always appreciated. As has been stated by others here, the feedback sometimes waits until there is another project to be done. I worked with one author in particular who gave me as much feedback as I have ever wanted, especially on topic selection. For a period of several days we sent e-mails back and forth honing the index until it was exactly to his liking. I worked on the index for 3 or 4 weeks all told. At the end of the project he praised my work and then told me that he had been working on the book for more than 6 years. Perspective. Craig Brown ========================================== The Last Word lastword@i1.net Indexing (314)352-9094 www.i1.net/~lastword ========================================== ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:59:03 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was maryann@ITASCA.REVISOR.LEG.STATE.MN.US From: Maryann Corbett Organization: Revisor of Statutes Subject: Re: Feedback from editors/working with authors It can be an interesting and effective program for an ASI chapter meeting to bring in an author who is appreciative of the indexer, and at the same time an index editor. Here in the Twin Cities we did this years ago, and I still remember the impression it made on me to hear first-hand the things indexers have been reporting on this thread about authorial exhaustion and editorial rush. -- Maryann Corbett Language Specialist Office of the Revisor of Statutes Minnesota Legislature 612-297-2952 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:03:15 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Charlotte Skuster Subject: Re: LDBASE requests In-Reply-To: <199802170310.WAA27828@library.lib.binghamton.edu> Chad, You can search the archives of index-l (if I understand your intent). The archives can be accessed through the ASI webpage at http://www.well.com/user/asi/ Select Online Discussion Groups, then click on one of the gopher addresses in the index-l listing. Please let me know if this is not what you had in mind. Charlotte Skuster index-l moderator ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:07:49 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Philip and Heather Jones Subject: feedback from editors I get feedback from almost every editing job I do, but hardly any on indexing jobs. The editing feedback is usually in the form of very appreciative e-mails from the authors. It may have to do with there being such a rush at the end of the project--deadlines aren't so close in editing. For my Japanese Constitution index last month--the longest and most difficult job I've ever done, and possibly the best--the feedback consisted of the editor sending me a copy of one page out the 50 I'd sent, with a circle around one entry and a note saying, "Be sure to put commas inside quotation marks." So much for feedback! Heather /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | There are such things as cause and effect, but they have nothing to | | do with each other... | |---------------------------------------------------------------------| | Phil, Heather, Doug and Ivy Jones hpjones@rt66.com | | Los Alamos, NM | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:44:03 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Trish Wittenstein Subject: Re: feedback from editors (was: usda) All, I think the issue of feedback from editors depends to a great degree on the personality of the editor. Some are thoughtful, nurturing individuals who want to woo you into doing more work, and so will give you the kind of feedback everybody needs from time to time. Then there are those who are too busy, or who don't realize the work that went into the project, or who don't have an opportunity to give feedback when the project is still fresh in their minds. For this reason, with new clients, I try to call the editor after several weeks to ask if they were happy with the index or if there are any changes they would like to see made in future indexes. It also accomplishes other bits: it keeps your name fresh in their memory, and lets them know you care about the quality of your work and their opinion of it. Trish Wittenstein Three Rivers, CA ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:27:16 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Pamela Venneman Subject: ASI indexing agreement on disk Good Afternoon everyone, I just received the ASI recommended indexing agreement on disk and cannot open/run or basically do anything with it. I hesitate to call myself computer literate so I am probably doing/not doing something!! I won't clutter the list with what I have tried with no success but anyone with some helpful advice please email me directly...and thanks! Pamela Venneman Lighthouse Indexing Services ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:06:08 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Cheryl D. McQueen" Subject: Cindex for Windows upgrade? I would like to hear from any CINDEX DOS users who chose to upgrade to the CINDEX for WINDOWS. I'm equally at ease in either DOS or WINDOWS environments. Sometimes I wish I could use the "copy/cut/paste" commands that WINDOWS offers when I'm working in the DOS CINDEX. Are you able to work faster using WINDOWS editing commands? Is it worth the $260.00 "special upgrade price"? The "special upgrade price" ends 2/28/98. I'm "assuming" that if I don't upgrade by then, the price for upgrading will be the standard retail price for CINDEX for WINDOWS (probably $500+). I hate to have to come up with $260.00 by the end of the month but I'd really hate to have to come up with another $500+ at a later date if I found that the WINDOWS CINDEX was more advantageous to work with. I look forward to receiving any feedback/advice. Cheryl McQueen McIndexer@pwshift.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:42:48 LCL Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kari Bero Subject: Bero's virtual move For those who link to my website or have my e-address in their e-address books: I and Bero-West Indexing Services have moved to a new virtual home: indexwest@mindspring.com www.mindspring.com/~indexwest/ Please update your files. Thanks. -Kari -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Kari J. Bero 206-937-3673 Bero-West Indexing Services indexwest@mindspring.com www.mindspring.com/~indexwest/ 3722 Beach Drive SW, Suite 101 Seattle, WA 98116-3000 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:13:15 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Holler Subject: Re: usda-a couple more questions Dear Lucinda, You can find the information you are looking for at: http://grad.usda.gov either follow the links to the Editing courses or go more directly by going to: http://grad.usda.gov/corres/crslst.html I do want to make sure I wasn't misunderstood in reference to the second indexing course. I have learned so much with this course, each of the indexing lessons is not only different subject matter - but also different indexing styles. You definitely need to do your research each and every lesson because they are all unique. I just feel that sometimes the instructor could step out of the editor rule and make a few comments as your instructor. Hope this helps, Susan ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:03:23 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barbara Cohen Subject: Re: Cindex for Windows upgrade? Hi Cheryl, I am currently using the Windows version of Cindex, and since my initial resistance faded, I am finding it relatively OK to use. Some of the old commands are augmented, but as I've only worked on two indexes so far, it's hard to tell how much of the new capability I will use. However, keep in mind that that's been what I've said about every Cindex upgrade to date. I am still trying to re-establish my keyboarding sequence, because under Windows, Cindex needs a whole new set of keystrokes to get to the same place. This takes time and can lead to some early frustration. But I recognize my resistance comes from my own desire to type "mouse-free," which I am finding hard to accomplish (yet). I would suggest not using the upgrade if you are under a tight deadline! (True for any upgrade, but even more so for this one--it's the "where do I find the command I want in Windows" problem.) I don't have time to make the upcoming Cindex for Windows workshops, but I look forward to learning some of the shortcuts around the Windows version as more people migrate to it. I think that by now Cindex does so much, I need the workshop to use the capabilities more fully than I do. (For example, there MUST be an easier way to enter the foreign accents than I am currently using, but I haven't had time to explore this. I do see that I could import foreign accents in new fonts more easily, which considering the kinds of books I work on--lots of non-ASCII foreign accents--should be a major benefit for me.) I suspect that the benefits of the new version will become apparent over a period of time, as have the benefits of all previous versions. On the other hand, "benefit" is a relative concept. I mean, I could work just fine on an old version of Cindex (and have when my best-grade computer is being repaired, for example). But I made a pact with myself long ago to maintain the upgrades, as Cindex is my primary indexing tool. I figure that upgrading is part of the cost of being in business. (Other opinions??) I am wondering how many others have taken the plunge into Windows? I look forward to hearing what other people have to say about it. (I have lots of crib sheets for translating what I used to do to what I have to do now, and as each week goes by, I am finding the program easier to navigate through. I'm thinking that others must be doing the same.) Sign me: Committed to using the new version, but frustrated from time to time with the hassles of actually having to read my manual, Barbara ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:04:49 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carolyn Weaver Subject: Re: Cindex for Windows upgrade? In a message dated 98-02-17 15:05:42 EST, you write: << (For example, there MUST be an easier way to enter the foreign accents than I am currently using, but I haven't had time to explore this. >> Ah ah! One I can answer! Just open the Fonts window (I think it's under Character on the menu bar) and select Symbols to get to the extended character set. Leave that box open all the time, highlight the character you want, and insert it in your record as needed. (This is to get to the Greek characters; the diacriticals may be under your standard font.) The font box is small enough on my 17" monitor to leave it up all the time without interfering with the rest of the screen. I find this much more convenient that my previous practice of looking up the extended character codes from the list on the wall next to my monitor every time I needed to insert one in the DOS file. Carolyn Weaver Bellevue, Wa. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:08:07 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rica Night Subject: Golf index question I'm indexing a trade book about learning to play golf. So far, I've found it pretty easy (the indexing, *not* the playing--my idea of exercise is pushing the elevator button twice). But I just came across a challenge I'm having trouble solving: I can't seem to find a simple way to differentiate between the two main entries for golf clubs. One refers to the kind you swing, and has subentries like "different types of" and "how to choose." The other refers to the kind you join, and points to discussions on, for example, the advantages and disadvantages of becoming a member. It's late on a rainy Toronto afternoon, so maybe there's a really obvious solution staring me in the face, but this is not my brightest time of day. Thanks in advance for any suggestions you can offer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Ms.) Rica Night rnight@inforamp.net * Freelance Copyeditor, Proofreader, Indexer * Seminar Leader: _Networking With Integrity_ and _Romance Meets Reality: Becoming Your Own Boss_ Toronto, Canada 416-463-EDIT "My own boss: when I talk, *I* listen!" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:04:02 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jan C. Wright" Subject: Cindex for Windows I migrated over last month from DOS to the Windows version, and have found it a great migration for me. It took a little bit of time to get my favorite shortcuts figured out, but since I am so used to the windows environment, it has been worth it to me to see the big picture. Being able to move the index entry window down to the lower right gave me so much more screen room to work with, and I love the entry copying feature - it is so much easier to work with now. Grouping seems much easier now too. I haven't had to mouse very much, once I figured out which things worked what, and that is a big concern, as I know days when mousing is heavy are much harder on my wrists than days without. The one thing I miss is the fields= command for outputting dat files. I used that a lot for complex online indexes that had to go through Excel and be picked up by macros with a predictable number of fields in place. I have kept DOS cindex on my machine until that one gets added into the Windows version, as I absolutely have to have it. But that's the only thing I found missing, and the rest has worked fine. I have used it for about 3 indexes now. Plus, I can now print. I have a postscript printer, which is a standard for desktop publishers. I could not print from DOS cindex - never got it to work as it did not support postscript, and I had to always write to a file and open it in Word to print. I didn't mind, but I also could not print out my verification reports, and now I can. SO much easier to work with. I would say it works much better for me. Jan +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Jan C. Wright Wright Information Indexing Services Jancw@mindspring.com www.mindspring. com/~jancw +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:19:00 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lindsay Gower Subject: Re: Golf index question In-Reply-To: <199802172112.NAA24663@firewall.persistence.com> Ideas that spring to mind (maybe 'cause the sun is actually shining in the SF Bay Area!): golf courses country clubs golf links (I really like your motto in your signature line!) At 04:08 PM 2/17/98 -0500, you wrote: >I'm indexing a trade book about learning to play golf. So far, I've found it >pretty easy (the indexing, *not* the playing--my idea of exercise is pushing >the elevator button twice). But I just came across a challenge I'm having >trouble solving: I can't seem to find a simple way to differentiate between >the two main entries for golf clubs. One refers to the kind you swing, and >has subentries like "different types of" and "how to choose." The other >refers to the kind you join, and points to discussions on, for example, the >advantages and disadvantages of becoming a member. It's late on a rainy >Toronto afternoon, so maybe there's a really obvious solution staring me in >the face, but this is not my brightest time of day. Thanks in advance for >any suggestions you can offer. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >(Ms.) Rica Night rnight@inforamp.net >* Freelance Copyeditor, Proofreader, Indexer >* Seminar Leader: _Networking With Integrity_ and > _Romance Meets Reality: Becoming Your Own Boss_ >Toronto, Canada 416-463-EDIT >"My own boss: when I talk, *I* listen!" ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Lindsay Gower Technical Writer Persistence Software, Inc. lindsay@persistence.com 1720 So. Amphlett Blvd #300 San Mateo, CA (650) 372-3606 http://www.persistence.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:29:16 -0600 Reply-To: bookend@theonramp.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Danzi Hernandez Subject: Re: Golf index question : I can't seem to find a simple way to differentiate between > the two main entries for golf clubs. One refers to the kind you swing, and > has subentries like "different types of" and "how to choose." The other > refers to the kind you join, and points to discussions on, for example, the > advantages and disadvantages of becoming a member. Rica, How about differentiating the two with a parenthetical: clubs (social) or (membership) vs. clubs (equipment)? Susan Hernandez ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:33:16 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Mark Dempsey Subject: Re: Golf index question -Reply Just to get into the swing of things, how about using Club Memberships to make the distinction? >>> Lindsay Gower 02/17/98 04:19pm >>> Ideas that spring to mind (maybe 'cause the sun is actually shining in the SF Bay Area!): golf courses country clubs golf links (I really like your motto in your signature line!) At 04:08 PM 2/17/98 -0500, you wrote: >I'm indexing a trade book about learning to play golf. So far, I've found it >pretty easy (the indexing, *not* the playing--my idea of exercise is pushing >the elevator button twice). But I just came across a challenge I'm having >trouble solving: I can't seem to find a simple way to differentiate between >the two main entries for golf clubs. One refers to the kind you swing, and >has subentries like "different types of" and "how to choose." The other >refers to the kind you join, and points to discussions on, for example, the >advantages and disadvantages of becoming a member. It's late on a rainy >Toronto afternoon, so maybe there's a really obvious solution staring me in >the face, but this is not my brightest time of day. Thanks in advance for >any suggestions you can offer. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >(Ms.) Rica Night rnight@inforamp.net >* Freelance Copyeditor, Proofreader, Indexer >* Seminar Leader: _Networking With Integrity_ and > _Romance Meets Reality: Becoming Your Own Boss_ >Toronto, Canada 416-463-EDIT >"My own boss: when I talk, *I* listen!" ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Lindsay Gower Technical Writer Persistence Software, Inc. lindsay@persistence.com 1720 So. Amphlett Blvd #300 San Mateo, CA (650) 372-3606 http://www.persistence.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:36:16 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group Comments: E: Mail origin cannot be determined. Comments: E: Original tag data was -> Charles Anderson Subject: Re: Cindex for Windows upgrade? I recently upgraded to CINDEX for Windows with the $260 price. I have been using CINDEX for DOS since version 1.0. Yes, I really feel that I could work faster with the WINDOWS version - particularly in the editing mode after inputting the terms. Also, I almost always had to output to a word processing program (migrating from WordStar eventually to Word 7) to finish the index because of special things most of my publishers require. This last index with CINDEX for WINDOWS did not require that - I was able to include every needed formatting capability that I needed. The one lack I feel at this point is that I can no longer use a DOS-based macro program called Prokey which gave me extended macro capabilities, often reducing keystrokes by 75% in some of the very lengthy indexes I do. However, CINDEX says a future upgrade will enhance the single macro capability now in the latest version. I would heartily recommend upgrading if you are in the business on a regular basis. Charles Anderson At 01:06 PM 2/17/98 -0500, you wrote: >I would like to hear from any CINDEX DOS users who chose to upgrade to >the CINDEX for WINDOWS. I'm equally at ease in either DOS or WINDOWS >environments. Sometimes I wish I could use the "copy/cut/paste" >commands that WINDOWS offers when I'm working in the DOS CINDEX. > >Are you able to work faster using WINDOWS editing commands? > >Is it worth the $260.00 "special upgrade price"? > >The "special upgrade price" ends 2/28/98. I'm "assuming" that if I >don't upgrade by then, the price for upgrading will be the standard >retail price for CINDEX for WINDOWS (probably $500+). > >I hate to have to come up with $260.00 by the end of the month but I'd >really hate to have to come up with another $500+ at a later date if >I found that the WINDOWS CINDEX was more advantageous to work with. > >I look forward to receiving any feedback/advice. > >Cheryl McQueen >McIndexer@pwshift.com > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:40:56 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Michael C. Rossa" Subject: Re: Golf index question In-Reply-To: <199802172111.PAA02516@centurion.flash.net> Rica, Can you use country club? Does the author ever use that term? Without knowing the text it's hard to say, but maybe with a cross reference from golf clubs it will work. Good luck, Mike Rossa At 04:08 PM 2/17/98 -0500, you wrote: >I'm indexing a trade book about learning to play golf. So far, I've found it >pretty easy (the indexing, *not* the playing--my idea of exercise is pushing >the elevator button twice). But I just came across a challenge I'm having >trouble solving: I can't seem to find a simple way to differentiate between >the two main entries for golf clubs. One refers to the kind you swing, and >has subentries like "different types of" and "how to choose." The other >refers to the kind you join, and points to discussions on, for example, the >advantages and disadvantages of becoming a member. It's late on a rainy >Toronto afternoon, so maybe there's a really obvious solution staring me in >the face, but this is not my brightest time of day. Thanks in advance for >any suggestions you can offer. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >(Ms.) Rica Night rnight@inforamp.net >* Freelance Copyeditor, Proofreader, Indexer >* Seminar Leader: _Networking With Integrity_ and > _Romance Meets Reality: Becoming Your Own Boss_ >Toronto, Canada 416-463-EDIT >"My own boss: when I talk, *I* listen!" ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > * * * * * * * * * * Michael C. Rossa Allied Editorial (972) 267-2537 (972) 267-2538 Fax rossa@flash.net UIN 3949301 * * * * * * * * * * ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:39:31 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Melinda Davis Organization: Univ. of Tennessee College of Law Subject: Re: Golf index question What about two entries using these qualifiers: Golf clubs [or Clubs] (equipment) Golf clubs [or Clubs] (facilities) Or Golf courses instead of Golf clubs (facilities)? Melinda Melinda D. Davis Assistant Professor and Catalog Librarian College of Law Library University of Tennessee 1505 W. Cumberland Avenue Knoxville, TN 37996-1800 (423) 974-6552 (423) 974-6571 (fax) e-mail: davis@libra.law.utk.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:16:56 PST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: news G Subject: Email for Susan Hernandez re: summary of approaching ublishers Susan Hernandez wrote: > Several months ago there was a discussion on the list about how to >approach publishers for the first time. A woman who hires indexers gave some great advice. Check the Index-L archives for the discussion that took place from 10/8/97 to 10/9/97. If you can't find it, I can send you a summary of it. >>Susan Hernandez>BookEnd Indexing >bookend@theonramp.net> Hi Susan: I tried getting the discussion on how to approach publishers the first time from INDEX-L archives, but was unsuccessful. They may have purged the files from Oct 1997. I could only find the files from Nov 1997 to present. I also tried emailing you off-list but somehow can't get to you via email. Please email me your summary of the above discussion at newsg@hotmail.com My email system does not handle file attachments very well. I would appreciate it if you could copy and paste the summary in the message instead. Thank you for you help in this matter. Regards, Nancy G. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:27:05 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Brackney Subject: Re: Golf index question At 04:08 PM 2/17/98 -0500, you wrote: >I'm indexing a trade book about learning to play golf. So far, I've found it >pretty easy (the indexing, *not* the playing--my idea of exercise is pushing >the elevator button twice). But I just came across a challenge I'm having >trouble solving: I can't seem to find a simple way to differentiate between >the two main entries for golf clubs. One refers to the kind you swing, and >has subentries like "different types of" and "how to choose." The other >refers to the kind you join, and points to discussions on, for example, the >advantages and disadvantages of becoming a member. It's late on a rainy >Toronto afternoon, so maybe there's a really obvious solution staring me in >the face, but this is not my brightest time of day. Thanks in advance for >any suggestions you can offer. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >(Ms.) Rica Night rnight@inforamp.net >* Freelance Copyeditor, Proofreader, Indexer >* Seminar Leader: _Networking With Integrity_ and > _Romance Meets Reality: Becoming Your Own Boss_ >Toronto, Canada 416-463-EDIT >"My own boss: when I talk, *I* listen!" ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > Rica: How 'bout something like "golf clubs (associations)" -- providing you don't mean "golf courses" -- and "golf clubs (equipment)"? (Also, as one who appreciates your experience and Index-l posts, I wonder why not bring the key words to the front of the two subheadings you mentioned, as in "types" instead of "different types of", and "choosing" instead of "how to choose"?) Michael Brackney Indexing Service 134 Kathleen Way Grass Valley, CA 95945 530-272-7088 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:07:23 -0600 Reply-To: bookend@theonramp.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Danzi Hernandez Subject: Publisher's marketing advice Hi Everyone, Several people have asked me for a summary of the marketing discussion I referenced, so I thought I'd post information about it on the list. The Index-l archive command doesn't include that date any more, but I found it with the gopher instead. Go to the ASI Web site: http://www.well.com/user/asi/ then choose online discussion group (this is what Charlotte was talking about in an earlier post today), then follow the links to the gopher address, then navigate to the list of archives. Click on the 08 October 1997 date. Scroll through the posts and look for the post from John and Kara Pekar, subject: Marketing (Kara gets credit for starting the discussion). The publisher responded on 09 Oct 97, look for Sandra Merz Bott, subject: Re(2): Marketing. (My thanks to Sandra for her very helpful comments!). Several other people responded to the discussion as well, so reading the posts will no doubt give you more information than my limited summary will. The discussion seemed to achieve closure right before the "Chat Log" post. If anyone can't get this to work, e-mail me and I'll send you my summary. Susan Hernandez BookEnd Indexing bookend@theonramp.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:12:11 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Rica Night Subject: Re: Golf index question >(Also, as one who appreciates your experience and Index-l posts, I wonder >why not bring the key words to the front of the two subheadings you >mentioned, as in "types" instead of "different types of", and "choosing" >instead of "how to choose"?) Michael--of course you're right. This index is still quite raw and unedited, and fine-tuning subentries is something I normally don't do much of until I'm editing. I input in a stream-of-consciousness fashion, not reading ahead or marking, and not paying much attention to the form of subentries. Partly that's because, by habit, I add many more subentries than I normally wind up keeping. I figure there's no sense monkeying with their wording until I'm editing, since many will be either cut entirely or merged with others. Also I wasn't actually looking at the index when I wrote the message: just gave two sample subtopics from memory. When I checked it just now, I found that I've already got one of those subentries ("choosing"); presumably I'd have gotten around to fixing "different types of" at the editing stage. I'm glad you pointed this out, though: I wouldn't want any newbies to think that those subentries were in their final form. Cheers, Rica (still digesting all the "golf clubs" suggestions: will let you all know what I decide) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:35:37 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barbara Cohen Subject: Entering diacriticals in Cindex for Windows In response to Carolyn' Weaver's comments about opening the symbols in the Fonts menu to add them now, I had actually figured that part out. What I'd like to do now is find a way to enter the accented letter from the Fonts box without having to touch my mouse. I find that the interruption and extra keystrokes interrupt my train of thought at the moment. Maybe I'll get used to this and in future it won't be such a disturbance, but at the moment hitting the Symbols choice in the Characters menu, opening the correct set of symbols, hitting the needed character, hitting Insert, then returning to the Record is a long string of stuff using the mouse. Keyboard shortcuts anyone? Barbara ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:55:57 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Kennedy Subject: Re: Golf index question In-Reply-To: <199802172111.PAA05129@mail.minn.net> At 04:08 PM 2/17/98 -0500, Rica wrote: >I can't seem to find a simple way to differentiate between >the two main entries for golf clubs. One refers to the kind you swing, and >has subentries like "different types of" and "how to choose." The other >refers to the kind you join, and points to discussions on, for example, the >advantages and disadvantages of becoming a member. How about two identical heads with parentheticals: Clubs (equipment) Clubs (facilities) or something similar? Best wishes, Carol Kennedy colfaxgp@minn.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:57:50 PST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: news G Subject: Email for Susan Hernandez re: summary of approaching publishers Thanks Susan for the information on the above. I found the archives and the relevant postings. They were informative. Regards, Nancy G. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:18:25 +1300 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Simon Cauchi Subject: Re: Golf index question I'm only half serious, but I thought the way you put it in your original query was perfectly clear. What's wrong with entries like this: golf clubs (the kind you join) golf clubs (the kind you swing) Too many characters, that's what's wrong. But the colloquialism is OK. From Simon Cauchi, Freelance Editor and Indexer 13 Riverview Terrace, Hamilton, New Zealand Telephone and facsimile +64 7 854 9229, e-mail cauchi@wave.co.nz ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:24:29 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Joanne E. Clendenen" Organization: AfterWords Indexing Services Subject: Re: Cindex for Windows upgrade? I switched from Cindex for DOS to the Windows version when it first came out. I think it is a little faster in the long run, and I like the new features. I still tend to use keyboard shortcuts over the mouse options sometimes, because I was so used to doing that in DOS, but I definitely like the new one. Windows just makes the program more versatile. There are little bugs here and there, though, but CINDEX has been very responsive to me about them, so I trust that the program will get continually more accurate. I would say that if you are inclined at all, you should buy while the price is still low. Joanne -- AfterWords Indexing Services Joanne E. Clendenen email: jbclend@bigfoot.com http://www.flash.net/~jbclend ---------------- "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not any simpler." Einstein ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:30:33 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Joanne E. Clendenen" Organization: AfterWords Indexing Services Subject: Re: Cindex for Windows upgrade? Sorry, but Barbara Cohen brought up a point I'd like to comment on. It does take some time to learn the different keyboard commands, etc., in the Windows version, but I found the section in the help file on migrating from DOS to Windows and incredibly helpful tool. They list all the old vs. new ways for all the commands and keystroke editing, so I just go there if I want to know what to do in Windows. I have just finished a book with Spanish names, and I do agree that inserting accented characters is a bit cumbersome. There are keyboard codes for the characters, as in CINDEX for DOS, but I found those a little cumbersome, too. I don't use accented characters often enough, though, to get really frustrated with it. Joanne -- AfterWords Indexing Services Joanne E. Clendenen email: jbclend@bigfoot.com http://www.flash.net/~jbclend ---------------- "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not any simpler." Einstein ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:31:53 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John and Kara Pekar Subject: Re: feedback from editors I've had very little feedback from editors thus far. I did ask one editor (for whom I very much wanted to work again) whether she could give me any feedback, so that I could get a better sense of the company's style, needs, and preferences. She was kind enough to send me back my hardcopy with the copyeditor's marks on it. The only notes on it were minor style points which had not been addressed in their style sheet (plus, I'm embarrassed to say, a typo I hadn't caught. Oops.) An editor at another publisher did compliment me on an index when she sent me another job; she also spoke highly of me to another editor at the same company, who mentioned that when she called me. (It's nice to be appreciated!) Has anyone had any experience with their indexes being cut for length? I've had it happen at least once, and the cuts were not where I would have chosen to make them. I've started asking publishers to let me know if they need to cut the index (when I know that I've come very close to their line or page limit), but so far no one has done so. Without seeing the indexes, I don't know whether they have been cut or not. Kara Pekar jkpekar@crosslink.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 11:01:19 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Jan C. Wright" Subject: Re: feedback from editors In-Reply-To: <199802181635.LAA20899@camel16.mindspring.com> I haven't had one cut for length, but I have seen them re-edited into small disasters at times. In one instance, I sat down with the editor (a good client) and explained some of the rules and reasons for things. Other times I get edits faxed back to me, and need to explain why many of them won't work, like not changing an entry so that it is an adjective alone as a main head, not adding page numbers to see references, what the difference between page ranges and single page number entries mean, and other such things. I seem to be spending a lot of time discussing edits these days - but not for length. Lots of educational work on my part about what the practices and concepts of indexing are, so that the indexes don't get mangled. I worry about the ones that are getting edited without my seeing the edits, but oh well! Does anyone know if ASI plans to re-issue that brochure on what makes a good index? At 11:31 AM 2/18/98 -0500, you wrote: >I've had very little feedback from editors thus far. I did ask one editor >(for whom I very much wanted to work again) whether she could give me any >feedback, so that I could get a better sense of the company's style, needs, >and preferences. She was kind enough to send me back my hardcopy with the >copyeditor's marks on it. The only notes on it were minor style points >which had not been addressed in their style sheet (plus, I'm embarrassed to >say, a typo I hadn't caught. Oops.) > >An editor at another publisher did compliment me on an index when she sent >me another job; she also spoke highly of me to another editor at the same >company, who mentioned that when she called me. (It's nice to be >appreciated!) > >Has anyone had any experience with their indexes being cut for length? >I've had it happen at least once, and the cuts were not where I would have >chosen to make them. I've started asking publishers to let me know if they >need to cut the index (when I know that I've come very close to their line >or page limit), but so far no one has done so. Without seeing the indexes, >I don't know whether they have been cut or not. > >Kara Pekar >jkpekar@crosslink.net > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:19:55 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Hannah Huse Subject: Re: feedback from editors Kara Pekar spoke of having an index cut down by editors (?), without consultation with the indexer. She asked if others have had similar experiences. I had an editor once tell me that he had cut a number of lines from my submitted index. He chose entries that had only one page number locator, assuming that they were the least important! Not an argument that pleased me. I often work to tight space limitations. I always ask at the beginning if there are space limitations. I work carefully towards that length, and offer to help with changes if they become necessary (within reason). I have not been asked to do that (except for very minor changes). I have not done enough comparison of submitted indexes to published indexes to know how much cutting is really going on. Hannah Huse ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:15:45 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Mrs. Amanda C. Ellauri" Subject: Freelance indexer fluent in Spanish I forward this message to a friend who is perfect for this job, but in the process lost the sender address. WHO post this message??? Please send me your e-mail address. my e-mail is: ellauria@paho.org Thank you! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:48:29 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Julie Shawvan Subject: ASI Golden Gate Conference GOLDEN GATE CHAPTER of the AMERICAN SOCIETY OF INDEXERS 15th ANNUAL CONFERENCE SATURDAY, MARCH 21, 1998 The Golden Gate Chapter presents a workshop with JESSICA MILSTEAD on "THESAURUS DEVELOPMENT AND VOCABULARY MANAGEMENT" Jessica Milstead is a consultant on thesaurus and index design, and author of the book _Subject Access Systems_. This workshop will appeal to back-of-the-book indexers interested in a different perspective on conceptual analysis, to database indexers who work with controlled vocabularies, to librarians and others who do online searching, and to all professionals involved with access to information. In addition, the all-day Conference will feature: KEYNOTE SPEAKER: Yahoo! Indexing Specialist AND: PANEL of INDEXING EXPERTS: "Information Science, Databases, and Internet/Intranets" DATE: Saturday, March 21 8:30-9:00 check-in, coffee & pastries 9:00-4:30 program coffee breaks lunch of salmon filet access to vendor exhibits & information tables LOCATION: Berkeley City Club 2315 Durant Avenue Berkeley (between Dana and Elsworth, adjacent to public parking) REGISTRATION: $75 ASI members $85 non-members To register, please complete the registration form below. For further information (or for vendors wishing to exhibit), please contact Robyn Brode, Conference Chair: rbrode@earthlink.net, or (510)704-8584. -------------------------------------------------------------------- REGISTRATION - ASI GOLDEN GATE CHAPTER CONFERENCE March 21, 1998 Name_________________________________________________________ Address______________________________________________________ Phone__________________________Email_________________________ ASI member($75)______Non-member($85)______ Please make check payable to "ASI Golden Gate Chapter" and send with registration form by March 14 to: Therese Shere GG-ASI Conference Registrar 7566 Eastside Road Healdsburg, CA 95448-9301 Registrations after March 14 will be taken on a space-available basis, with an additional $10 fee. For registration information or to place a commitment, email tshere7566@aol.com or call (707)838-7823. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:44:36 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Veronica Richards Subject: Re: feedback from editors In a message dated 98-02-18 14:12:40 EST, you write: << I seem to be spending a lot of time discussing edits these days - but not for length. Lots of educational work on my part about what the practices and concepts of indexing are, so that the indexes don't get mangled. I worry about the ones that are getting edited without my seeing the edits, but oh well! >> And I was there once when you had to do this. I've even got those edits as part of my learning as an indexer. I will review it soon because I know it is very important. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 21:25:53 LCL Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Victoria Baker Subject: Re: Feedback from editors In-Reply-To: <199802171428.GAA27548@pacific.net> On the subject of indexes being cut: I haven't seen this happen in nine years (if there's a space problem, I compute copyfitting and get it right myself). What did happen once, in the interest of saving space, was that an editor took all of my See refs that occurred in subentries and converted them to See also refs of the main entry. I had spent a lot of time getting all the hierarchies of information just right, more time than I should have. To have all that wiped away was painful. The worst part was he told me afterward that he didn't have to do it after all, that the index had come up short as a result. He hadn't tried pouring it first. Oh well. That experience reinforced my own adherence to copyfitting--I always ask about space parameters, and if they're not clear yet, check back in again once I've begun the project. Best, Victoria ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:03:48 +1300 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Simon Cauchi Subject: Re: feedback from editors I must say I'm astonished to read the accounts of the mangling of indexes done without consultation by in-house editors. My own experience -- with one exception -- has been quite other. The exception was a US academic publisher, who I suppose must remain nameless. Their editor chose to rearrange my entries (in a book about the demography of ancient Rome) thus: "census evidence" became "evidence, census" "epigraphic evidence" became "evidence, epigraphic" "literary evidence" became "evidence, literary" "skeletal evidence" became "evidence, skeletal" but "comparative evidence" remained "comparative evidence" (This is one of the few books I've indexed that I haven't been sent a gratis copy of, and my memory may be at fault in some matters of detail -- but not about the general principle. I did eventually see a copy of the book in an academic library and compared it with what I had sent in. By the way, the author argued that none of the various sources of evidence is reliable, and that for a reasonable guess about Roman demography you have to use the United Nations life tables for developing countries!) I have frequently received very pertinent feedaback (i.e. criticism, usually constructive) from authors, and occasionally also from in-house editors, but usually my indexes are printed just as I submit them. I make it quite plain to the editors who engage me that I am willing to make changes in the light of their criticisms, but I don't want them mucking about with my work without consulting me, and they respect that. From Simon Cauchi, Freelance Editor and Indexer 13 Riverview Terrace, Hamilton, New Zealand Telephone and facsimile +64 7 854 9229, e-mail cauchi@wave.co.nz ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:58:05 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Elaine R. Firestone" Subject: Target audiences? Hi all. This disagreement came up yesterday between my co-editor (I'm primarily an editor) and me. I'm hoping y'all can set me straight one way or the other. I'm writing the last index of a 43 volume series of technical memoranda I've produced (edited and typeset for the last 6+ plus). My co-editor says that the index content should be geared to our *target* audience of scientists and researchers, regardless of the fact that they are not the only ones getting our series. (It also goes to university libraries for students, grad students, and teachers; computer programmers; bureaucrats; etc.) I'm of the opinion that the index should be as complete as possible (we don't have space constraints) so that all levels of our readership can make optimum use out of it. Opinions please? Since I have no formal indexing training, I'm going by what _I_ consider to be a good and useful index. Please reply to the list. Thanks a bunch. elaine Elaine R. Firestone, ELS elaine@calval.gsfc.nasa.gov elaine@seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:35:18 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Elaine R. Firestone" Subject: Hoax virus alert Hi again all. I just received word from the NASA Systems officials that there's another virus HOAX being sent through the Internet. It's called "Bud Frogs Screen Saver" and the warning goes that if you open up BUDSAVER.EXE you'll lose everything on your hard drive. IT IS A HOAX! Do NOT tell other people about it. If anyone wants a copy of official NASA announcement, just contact me and I'll be happy to forward it to you. elaine Elaine R. Firestone, ELS elaine@calval.gsfc.nasa.gov elaine@seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:03:24 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nancy Noyes Subject: Re: Target audiences? As a user and (sometime) indexer of technical data my knee-jerk reaction would be that I would evaluate if there were aspects that might be best indexed in a special way (and I grope for the proper terminology here as I am still a "Wan- newbie") for the target audience and the bulk done for the broader spectrum audience's usage. For example, when using manuals for software packages there were very specific entries that meant nothing to me as a neophyte user (like specific ASCII character charts and character references, programming commands, etc.) but software developers would be actively seeking. Then the rest of the index was for the 'low' to 'moderate' user who needed to find things about what the software did, how it differed from similar products, what certain error messages meant, how to obtain technical support, how to access the software, etc. Had these been written totally toward the developers I never would have bought the manual, even though it may have contained what I needed -- the index would not have been as friendly. Likewise, as a developer, I have automatically rejected manuals that appear to be geared strictly toward novice users as I feel that my own concerns aren't likely to be addressed (and I could be very wrong). My own efforts have always been based on how the text appears to me (ours were all for corporate and client product use -- not widely circulated, but accessed by many varieties of users and technical groups within that base). If it will be used by more than one audience I try to determine the percentages for each audience's use then structure the index around that. If your target audience is likely to be 98% of the users, your co-editor may be correct. However, I would try to put in at least SOME 'user friendly' entries. Or organize the major entries as broad spectrum use, and then cater to the target audience for the bulk of the (more esoteric) index? The reverse is true if there will be a greater number of non-target users. Then, there is my other reaction: if you are the editor in charge, isn't that because you have the best feel for the publication and its scope? Do you feel that the index-for-all approach will satisfy BOTH groups? Good luck! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:03:09 -0800 Reply-To: Elinor Lindheimer Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Elinor Lindheimer Subject: Re: feedback from editors Some of you may have heard this story, but it's my classic horror story of index cutting without consultation: I did the index to the illustrated edition of ISHI IN TWO WORLDS by Theodora Kroeber back in the late 1970s, and it was complete, with lots of subentries. The printed version has long strings of page numbers with no subentries. Sometimes the feedback from an editor comes in the form of a referral to another editor, who then calls you. Trying to keep dry, Elinor Lindheimer ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:04:14 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Marlene London Subject: Target audience? I agree with Elaine Firestone that her index should be as comprehensive as possible (especially since there are no space constraints) to meet the needs of ALL components of its potential audience. Marlene London Profindex@worldnet.att.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:34:56 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sharon Wright Subject: Target audiences? -Reply Since we do legal indexing here, we frequently encounter this issue. My take on it is that you should gear the index to your target audience, but take other users into account. How and where you strike the balance is up to you. For example, in our indexes, we may treat material under the correct legal terminology or statute name (since our target audience is primarily lawyers and judges), but we will do cross references from common names or collateral areas where a non-lawyer might begin to look (for example, we may treat material under "Motor Vehicle Warranty Act," but we will cross reference from "Lemon Law"). It's nice to consider the broader audience, especially since your target audience may not always be able to come up with the correct terminology off the top of their heads, either! :-) -- Sharon W. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:40:25 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lillian Mesner Subject: Re: Target audiences? Elaine, As a librarian, reviewer, mini-indexer (some past experience) and hopefully a future indexer upon retirement, ... whew! ... I can say a couple of things rather unequivocally. One is that more people are going to want to buy that document if is it usable. And believe, any reviewer worth their salt will get you on an index that limits access to the information. When I was reviewing, I went for an index as soon as I glanced at the content. That was my primary criteria for the usabiltiy of a reference type of document. If a document is a really good source of information, it really is a waste to limit the indexing. I've spent almost thirty years trying to help people locate information in reference materials and people you would never dream of would use that document at some time or other in a library or office. Lil Mesner At 09:58 AM 2/19/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi all. This disagreement came up yesterday between my co-editor (I'm >primarily an editor) and me. I'm hoping y'all can set me straight one way >or the other. I'm writing the last index of a 43 volume series of technical >memoranda I've produced (edited and typeset for the last 6+ plus). My >co-editor says that the index content should be geared to our *target* >audience of scientists and researchers, regardless of the fact that they >are not the only ones getting our series. (It also goes to university >libraries for students, grad students, and teachers; computer programmers; >bureaucrats; etc.) I'm of the opinion that the index should be as complete >as possible (we don't have space constraints) so that all levels of our >readership can make optimum use out of it. > >Opinions please? Since I have no formal indexing training, I'm going by >what _I_ consider to be a good and useful index. Please reply to the list. > >Thanks a bunch. > >elaine > > >Elaine R. Firestone, ELS >elaine@calval.gsfc.nasa.gov >elaine@seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov > > **************************************************************************** Lillian R. Mesner Lexington, KY 40546-0091 Technical Services Librarian Phone: 606-257-2758 Agricultural Library Fax: 606-323-4719 University of Kentucky Internet: lmesner@pop.uky.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:49:31 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Shirley K Warkentin Subject: Re: Cindex for Windows upgrade? I love the new Windows version of Cindex. I like the pull down menus which are logically organized. I don't have to try to remember which commands deal with formatting an index. They are all there listed under "document." The "tools" menu is where you find compress, expand, verify cross references and spell check. I was able to through away a binder full of "cheat sheets" as well as several index cards I kept with keystroke information. It is also much quicker to print indexes in various fonts and styles. No transferring to another program. I also like the viewing screen with it's 12-point Arial type (also easily changeable.) I did take the time to read the new manual and I have done one regular indexing job with it. Shirley Warkentin Cornerstone Indexing indexer@juno.com On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:06:08 -0500 "Cheryl D. McQueen" writes: >I would like to hear from any CINDEX DOS users who chose to upgrade to >the CINDEX for WINDOWS. I'm equally at ease in either DOS or WINDOWS >environments. Sometimes I wish I could use the "copy/cut/paste" >commands that WINDOWS offers when I'm working in the DOS CINDEX. > > >I look forward to receiving any feedback/advice. > >Cheryl McQueen >McIndexer@pwshift.com > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:34:13 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barry Koffler Subject: Re: Entering diacriticals in Cindex for Windows In-Reply-To: <199802180039.TAA00450@ulster.net> >In response to Carolyn' Weaver's comments about opening the symbols in t= he >Fonts menu to add them now, I had actually figured that part out. What I= 'd >like to do now is find a way to enter the accented letter from the Fonts= box >without having to touch my mouse. I find that the interruption and extra >keystrokes interrupt my train of thought at the moment. > I don't know Cindex well enough to know of any shortcuts (anyway, I'm Mac= ), but my instant response is just hit a back slash--then do a global search later and insert whatever belongs there--if you're really concerned about losing train of thought. -Barry ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo= ooooo barkof@ulster.net Barry Koffler mid-Hudson Valley, = NY the FeatherSite at http://www.cyborganic.com/People/feathersite/ lead me not into temptation . . . I can find it myself. ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo= ooooo=9D=9D ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:05:00 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: DStaub11@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Facing the Text workshop I'm going to be presenting my Facing the Text workshop at the conference in Seattle, and I thought it would be good to post more information about it here than would fit in the conference brochure. If you have questions, email me at DStaub11@aol.com. Facing the Text: Content Analysis and Entry Selection in Social Sciences and Humanities Indexing This participatory workshop focuses on the practical processes of indexing. We will survey the steps that indexers follow as we interpret texts and create index structures, using examples and hands-on exercises from a range of real texts and indexes. (Examples and exercises will be new at the Seattle workshop.) This workshop addresses back-of-book indexing of both scholarly books and textbooks in the social sciences and humanities. It is not a basic introduction to indexing, but novices as well as experienced indexers will benefit. Among subjects to be discussed: main topics, indexable topics, index structure, subheads, cross references, and wording. Hope to see some of you there! Do Mi Stauber ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:23:43 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Cindex for Windows upgrade? Of those who have migrated from DOS Cindex to Windows Cindex: How many of you were in the habit of assigning executable commands to PF keys? How have you coped with the inability to do that in Windows Cindex? Dick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:35:53 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barbara Cohen Subject: Re: Entering diacriticals in Cindex for Windows Barry, I like the idea of entering the diacriticals as some unused characters and substituting them globally later. That is a good, helpful suggestion! It doesn't overcome the need for a cheat sheet to remember that $ is to become "a with accent grave"--and I suspect I use more than the average number of diacriticals in my Buddhism books, so I may run out of "unused" characters. But it is certainly a good way to approach at least some of the accents in the interest of keeping my train of thought. I will try it tomorrow. Thanks. Barbara ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:46:35 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Caroline Parks Subject: Re: Entering diacriticals in Cindex for Windows In-Reply-To: <199802200139.SAA15086@Rt66.com> It really is an excellent idea; obviously the product of a problem-solving mind! And although diacriticals aren't something I tend to be faced with, the mathematician lurking inside me popped up and pointed out that if you find yourself running out of special characters, you might consider using pairs or even triplets of characters. This will effectively square or cube the number of substitutable "characters" (actually strings) you have available. (But if you use single characters as well as pairs or triplets, be sure to include spaces on both sides of the character or string when you do the substitution. Otherwise you'll end up with a real mess!) Good luck! Caroline At 08:35 PM 2/19/98 EST, you wrote: >Barry, > >I like the idea of entering the diacriticals as some unused characters and >substituting them globally later. That is a good, helpful suggestion! It >doesn't overcome the need for a cheat sheet to remember that $ is to become "a >with accent grave"--and I suspect I use more than the average number of >diacriticals in my Buddhism books, so I may run out of "unused" characters. >But it is certainly a good way to approach at least some of the accents in the >interest of keeping my train of thought. I will try it tomorrow. > >Thanks. > >Barbara > > ____________________________ Caroline Parks -- Indexcellence Indexing and Editorial Services Tijeras, NM 505-286-2738 caroline@rt66.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:04:36 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barry Koffler Subject: Re: Entering diacriticals in Cindex for Windows In-Reply-To: <199802200141.UAA06044@ulster.net> >I like the idea of entering the diacriticals as some unused characters and >substituting them globally later. That is a good, helpful suggestion! It >doesn't overcome the need for a cheat sheet to remember that $ is to become "a >with accent grave"--and I suspect I use more than the average number of >diacriticals in my Buddhism books, so I may run out of "unused" characters. >But it is certainly a good way to approach at least some of the accents in the >interest of keeping my train of thought. I will try it tomorrow. > Barbara - If you're indexing, you're gonna be going back anyway. for the uncommon ones use the same character. You shouldn't lose much time even doing a find and replace one at a time (on weird words you wanna check 'em more often anyway)--unless your work is really diacritical! -Barry oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo barkof@ulster.net Barry Koffler mid-Hudson Valley, NY the FeatherSite at http://www.cyborganic.com/People/feathersite/ lead me not into temptation . . . I can find it myself. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:57:02 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Macrex@AOL.COM Subject: Macrex Workshops In Seattle Advanced Techniques with Macrex (Gale Rhoades, Instructor) This Wednesday morning (May 14th, 8:30am to 11:45am) workshop is designed for established Macrex users who want to learn techniques to improve productivity, eliminate repetitive tasks, create multiple indexes in a single pass, utilize volume/page numbers for non-book materials or index without fnal folios. Attendees should have completed at least two indexes using Macrex. Basic Tips'n'Tricks with Macrex (Gale Rhoades, Instructor) This Wednesday afternoon (May 14th, 2pm to 5:15pm) workshop is for the newer Macrex user. The focus will be on using Keyboard macros and keywords for double posting and other tasks, spell-checking, multi-tasking using Macrex under Windows and preparing electronic copy for submission to publishers. Attendees should have completed the "Getting Started with Macrex" exercises. Introduction to Macrex (Do Mi Stauber, Instructor) This Saturday afternoon (May 16th, 2pm to 5:15pm) workshop will focus on introducing Macrex to people who have never used it. Basic indexing procedures will be reviewed for novice indexers. Registration fee includes Macrex demo version (disk and "Getting Started with Macrex"). For information about course content, please contact the Macrex Support Office (North America) at 650-756-0821 or macrex@aol.com. For registration, please contact Margie Towery, 765-449-1718 or mtowery@aol.com. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:18:00 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Veronica Richards Subject: Apologies I meant the mail below for just one person. Sent it by accident to the alias. Sorry to waste people's time with reading it. >Subj: Re: feedback from editors >Date: 02/18/98 >To: INDEX-L@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU > >In a message dated 98-02-18 14:12:40 EST, you write: > ><< I seem to be spending a lot of time discussing edits these days - but not > for length. Lots of educational work on my part about what the practices > and concepts of indexing are, so that the indexes don't get mangled. I > worry about the ones that are getting edited without my seeing the edits, > but oh well! >> > >And I was there once when you had to do this. I've even got those edits as >part of my learning as an indexer. I will review it soon because I know it is >very important. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:33:38 LCL Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Victoria Baker Subject: Re: Target audiences? In-Reply-To: <199802191929.LAA29313@pacific.net> Elaine wrote: >My >co-editor says that the index content should be geared to our *target* >audience of scientists and researchers, regardless of the fact that they >are not the only ones getting our series. (It also goes to university >libraries for students, grad students, and teachers; computer programmers; >bureaucrats; etc.) I'm of the opinion that the index should be as complete >as possible (we don't have space constraints) so that all levels of our >readership can make optimum use out of it. I completely agree with your position, Elaine. With no space constraints and known users beyond the target audience, my question is, What is the harm of guiding other users from selected lay terms to the actual terminology used? Seems to me that's just good indexing practice. Best, Victoria ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:37:36 -0500 Reply-To: Ken Reigner Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ken Reigner Subject: Last Call: WIW Home Office Technology Conference, Feb. 21, Wash., DC * LAST CALL * WIW 1998 Home Office Technology Conference To Help Writers Boost Their Business Using Cyber Skills WASHINGTON--Washington Independent Writers (WIW) is sponsoring a home office technology conference to help writers who work at home navigate their way through cyberspace and the latest technology to publication. Entitled "Embracing Technology: Putting Your Home Office to Work for You," the conference will be held Saturday, February 21, at the University Club, 1135 16th St. N.W. in Washington from 8 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. "WIW has recruited some first-rate, cyber-savvy experts for this conference," says WIW Executive Director Isolde Chapin. "They will offer advice in using technology to boost productivity, market services, streamline business operations and research information." Besides formal presentations, plenty of time has been scheduled for panelists to field questions from conference participants. Thus audience members will have an opportunity to get answers to their practical, how-to questions. Among those speaking at the conference will be Rob Pegoraro, editor of the "Fast Forward" high technology section of The Washington Post, and Linda Stern, contributing editor of Home Office Computing magazine and associate editor of Newsweek magazine. Discussing how writers can boost their productivity through technology will be WIW President and free-lance writer Clyde Linsley, free-lance writer John A. (Jack) Butler, free-lance copywriter Ken Norkin and economic consultant Barbara St. Amand. One session will focus on how technology can help writers market their work. Addressing that topic will be free-lance marketing writer William J. Moriarty, National Marketing Federation President Kim Gordon, science and health writer Dia L. Michels and former Washington Post advertising copywriter Meg Peters. Four writers will discuss how to use the Internet for research. They are Paula Bohan, ProfNet national market manager; computer consultant Joe Hennessy; David Herbert, information systems manager and programmer for DataNational; and Sergio Visaggio, programming director of America Online's Research and Learn Channel. Rounding out the day will be a panel of experts moderated by Ken Reigner, WIW Technology Committee Chairman and conference coordinator. The panel will include computer consultant Rob F. Deziel and Melinda (Mindy) McAdams, World Wide Web strategist of the American Press Institute. Early reservations are encouraged. The cost is $85 for WIW members and $110 for non-members for advance reservations; $100 for members and $125 for non-members at the door. A special combined rate for new membership and conference attendance is being offered at $170 for advance reservations, and $185 at the door. WIW is a non-profit organization based in Washington, D.C., for writers, editors and journalists. Founded in 1975, WIW is the largest regional writers' organization in the country with approximately 2,000 members. Persons wishing more information about the conference or reservations can call the WIW office at (202) 347-4973. Information is available on the World Wide Web at or via e-mail at . The WIW office is located at 220 Woodward Building, 733 15th St. N.W., Washington, D.C. 20005, USA. WIW also sponsors an Internet-based discussion and mailing list, WIW-L. To subscribe, send e-mail to , and in the body of the message, put the line "subscribe WIW-L your-first-name your-last-name" (without the quotation marks). [Please forgive the cross-posts.] Sincerely, Ken Reigner -- Ken Reigner cbs@digex.net Member, Board of Directors List Owner, WIW-L and WIW-JOBS Chairman, Technology Committee wiw-l-request@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu Washington Independent Writers wiw-jobs-request@cmuvm.csv.cmich.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:26:01 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barbara Cohen Subject: Re: Entering diacriticals in Cindex for Windows Barry, I am wondering what you mean by "going back anyway." When I index, I try to avoid having to go back and check each entry at the end by proofreading as I type. So I doubt that I would "go back anyway" to any particular entry. And I have worked on books in which every other entry in a 2,000-entry index can have multiple diacriticals (I'm thinking of some recent projects on Medieval Chinese Buddhism and a detailed one on Vietnamese Buddhism). Surely one wouldn't make any money if one had to check every entry a second time on a project like that. Who has the time to turn the pages to find the correct diacriticals to enter as a separate step? So, I'm wondering exactly what you mean by that phrase. Do you check every entry as a separate operation? (We talked about this under another thread not all that long ago, I know....) I think the idea of using multiple characters as necessary makes more sense for using the search and replace commands efficiently. So, I will try that today and report back on my success later.... Barbara ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:59:25 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barry Koffler Subject: Re: Entering diacriticals in Cindex for Windows In-Reply-To: <199802201430.JAA17127@ulster.net> Barbara - > >I am wondering what you mean by "going back anyway." When I index, I try to >avoid having to go back and check each entry at the end by proofreading as I >type. So I doubt that I would "go back anyway" to any particular entry. And I >have worked on books in which every other entry in a 2,000-entry index can >have multiple diacriticals (I'm thinking of some recent projects on Medieval >Chinese Buddhism and a detailed one on Vietnamese Buddhism). Surely one >wouldn't make any money if one had to check every entry a second time on a >project like that. Who has the time to turn the pages to find the correct >diacriticals to enter as a separate step? Ah - well, I've never worked with stuff that had more than occasional odd diacriticals. I can see how that would be a problem in your case. On a lot of jobs, once I've typed it all in I go back with a printout (in order of entry) to check that I've not missed anything or blown off any page numbers--I would just check diacriticals as part of the proofing process. > >So, I'm wondering exactly what you mean by that phrase. Do you check every >entry as a separate operation? (We talked about this under another thread not >all that long ago, I know....) I wasn't on the list before a couple weeks ago. > >I think the idea of using multiple characters as necessary makes more sense >for using the search and replace commands efficiently. So, I will try that >today and report back on my success later.... > In your case, I certainly agree. For me, on the Mac, I have a little control panel called PopChar (shareware) that is in the menu bar. When I need a diacritical I just go up there, select it, it shows every character in the font. You select the one you need and it drops it in the text where your cursor is. It is one of the goodies I couldn't live without! -Barry oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo barkof@ulster.net Barry Koffler mid-Hudson Valley, NY the FeatherSite at http://www.cyborganic.com/People/feathersite/ lead me not into temptation . . . I can find it myself. ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:19:38 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barbara Cohen Subject: Diacriticals If anyone has a source for True Type font files for Asian (Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean), eastern European, and Arabic transliterated diacriticals and special characters, I would like to have this information. I have a shareware file of Cyrillic script in Times Roman and Bodoni, if anyone needs it. Thanks. Barbara ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:53:00 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "John R. Sullivan" Subject: Diacriticals I'm probably missing something in this discussion of diacriticals, but... In MS Windows, you can access all of the "special characters" in a typeface by holding down the Alt key and typing the appropriate combination of numerals (e.g. Alt 0151)-- you must type the numerals from the numerica keypad, and Num Lock has to be on. When you're in the Character Map applet, when the mouse is over a character the appropriate Alt+ numerals combination is displayed in the status bar. Thus you can either use the mouse to copy the character from Character Map or you can type the necessary Alt+ combination directly. Does that address the problem, or am I misinterpreting the issue? John Sullivan ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:17:01 -0600 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Michael C. Rossa" Subject: Re: Diacriticals In-Reply-To: <199802201721.LAA04451@centurion.flash.net> At 12:19 PM 2/20/98 EST, you wrote: >If anyone has a source for True Type font files for Asian (Japanese, Chinese, >Vietnamese, Korean), eastern European, and Arabic transliterated diacriticals >and special characters, I would like to have this information. > >I have a shareware file of Cyrillic script in Times Roman and Bodoni, if >anyone needs it. > >Thanks. > >Barbara > > Barbara, The Foreign Language Font Archive for Windows can be found at and it has everything from "American Indian Languages" to Vietnamese, as well as keyboard utilities and links to other foreign language sites. Hope this helps, Mike * * * * * * * * * * Michael C. Rossa Allied Editorial (972) 267-2537 (972) 267-2538 Fax rossa@flash.net UIN 3949301 * * * * * * * * * * ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:25:37 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Locatelli@AOL.COM Subject: ASI Chicago/Great Lakes Chapter Spring Conference American Society of Indexers, Chicago/Great Lakes Chapter Spring Workshop 1998 featured speaker, Seth Maislin, Focus Publishing Services Pageless Indexing: or, Indexing Electronic Media Saturday, March 28, 1998, 8:15 am 4:30 pm Wyndham Garden Hotel, 5615 N. Cumberland Avenue Chicago, IL 60631, 773-693-5800 Program Schedule 8:15 Registration 8:45 Welcome and announcements 9:00 Seth Maislin, Pageless Indexing: or, Indexing Electronic Media, Part I 12:00 Seated lunch 1:30 Seth Maislin, Pageless Indexing: or, Indexing Electronic Media, Part II 2:45 Break 3:15 Gerry Van Ravenswaay: Web Indexing and Design 4:00 Chicago/Great Lakes Chapter Business Meeting and Elections 4:30 Adjournment Directions The Wyndham Garden Hotel is accessible by public transportation (Cumberland stop on CTA Blue Line). Cumberland South exit off the Kennedy Expressway. The hotel also provides free shuttle service from O Hare Airport. For hotel and accommodation information, call 312-693-5800. Additional Information For more information, call Sandi Schroeder at 847-303-0989 (sanindex@aol.com) or Gerald Van Ravens-waay at 773-665-2588 (gvraven@aol.com). Cancellation Fee Registrations may be cancelled until Monday, March 23; refunds will be made less a $20 processing fee. After March 23, no refunds can be made on cancelled registrations. Seth Maislin Mr. Maislin is in-house indexer for O Reilly & Associates (Cambridge, Mass.), a publisher of computer-related books. In addition, he is sole proprietor of Focus Publishing Services (Water-town, Mass.); his specialties include computers, science, engineering, technical reference, mathematics education. Mr. Maislin is webmaster for the national American Society of Indexers ( ASI) Web site (http://www.well.com/user/asi/) and serves as chair of continuing studies of the Massachusetts Chap-ter of ASI. He regularly presents seminars to private industry documentation teams and authors on indexing theory and technique. He is a member of ASI, the Freelance Editorial Association, and the Society for Technical Communication. Workshop Agenda Suddenly (it seems), the theory of indexing has grown in importance; at the same time, index functionality suffers as a consequence of behind- the-times indexing tools. Text searching grows in popularity and capability, and tools force authors to sacrifice page ranges for isolated locators. Thus, the intelligent purpose behind an index requires clearer understanding and more specific goals. In-dexers must adapt to changes within the industry. Paperless indexing requires both familiarity with the newer technology a nd a review of indexing theory. Topics include: Indexing concepts. Some users prefer search engines to indexes. Where specifically does the index hold its advantages? How does an indexer approach a book that is still unfinished? Index layout. Without page numbers, what do locators look like? How do you handle now-obsolete concepts such as page ranges? What can you do with multiple references, cross references, and double posting? Why is HTML a poor medium for index presentation? Embedded indexing. In addition to the difficulties in editing an index, there are whole new software programs indexers need to learn. What do they look like, and how do they work? If so many indexers dislike embedded indexing, why do publishers insist upon it? Changes in the business. Authors are writing their own indexes. More indexers are working in-house. How can a freelance indexer get involved in the industry? What are the challenges of working at home when the computer files are elsewhere? Gerry Van Ravenswaay Mr. Van Ravenswaay has been indexing for the past five years and is webmaster for the Chicago/ Great Lakes Chapter of ASI. Registration Space is limited. Be sure to register early. ASI Members Non-members By Mar. 7 $ 75 $ 95 By Mar. 14 $ 90 $105 At the door $105 $115 Conference fee includes continental breakfast, sit-down lunch, and afternoon refreshments. Name________________________________ First name for nametag__________________ Address______________________________ City, State, Zip________________________ Phone_______________________________ E-mail_______________________________ For my luncheon entrie, I would like: o vegetable lasagne o grilled chicken caesar salad o meat lasagne o I will be staying overnight at the hotel. (This information is for planning purposes only. Please make your reservations directly with the hotel.) Make checks payable to Caryl Wenzel, ASI Chicago Chapter Treasurer. Mail check and form to: Caryl Wenzel, 8315 Route 53, Unit B14, Woodridge, IL 60517. Cancellation Fee Registrations may be cancelled until Monday, March 23; refunds will be made less a $20 proces-sing fee. After March 23, no refunds can be made on cancelled registrations. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:32:03 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Mary S Stephenson Subject: Re: Diacriticals In-Reply-To: <1ed9cd27.34edbb2c@aol.com> Hi, You might try: The Foreign Language Font Archive for Windows http://hopi.dtcc.edu/~berlin/fonts-f.htm The Yamada Language Guides http://babel.uoregon.edu/FontLayout/FontMain.html Susie Stephenson SLAIS/UBC Vancouver mss@unixg.ubc.ca On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 BECohen653@aol.com wrote: > If anyone has a source for True Type font files for Asian (Japanese, Chinese, > Vietnamese, Korean), eastern European, and Arabic transliterated diacriticals > and special characters, I would like to have this information. > > I have a shareware file of Cyrillic script in Times Roman and Bodoni, if > anyone needs it. > > Thanks. > > Barbara > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:48:40 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Patricia Altner Subject: Unsubbing In-Reply-To: <199802200514.AAA28097@mtolympus.ari.net> Apologies to the list, but I would like to ask the list owner to e-mail me privately about unsubscribing from the list Thank you Patricia Altner Vampire Readings The Moon in Science Fiction