From LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu Wed Sep 16 15:47:44 1998 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:08:05 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB To: Julius Ariail Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9807E" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:33:10 -0400 Reply-To: brocindx@catskill.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Kevin A. Broccoli" Organization: Broccoli Information Management Subject: Re: First Indexing job Thomas Dean wrote: > As I said earlier, I'm a newbie to all of this. I've seen the USDA course > mentioned several times. Would you all consider this a necessity for > getting "credentialed," or "just" a good idea? And where can you find out > more about the course? > > Thanks much again. And thanks to everyone for indulging in my individual > author question, which I know diverted the discussion somewhat (my > apologies to the original poster--I'm interested in the first question > about first jobs, too). > > Tom Dean > You might be interested in contacting Charles Anderson. I think he's on this list & was considering teaching indexing. You would probably get quicker return on the work and more direct attention. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:28:43 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Victoria Baker Subject: Re: The Politically-Correct Little Red Riding Hood In-Reply-To: <199807282326.QAA25722@pacific.net> Bob wrote: >Re this relentlessly humorless discussion on usage: Actually there have been a number of humorous posts in this thread. >It seems to me that the bitter intensity of the Usage Wars is similar. Using >the (currently) incorrect term is Thoughtcrime! Dictionaries, as well as >indexes, are being "sanitized", often by very small, very vocal, and largely >unknown activist entities to suppress words and definitions that are deemed >unacceptable (at the time) to them. In any case it is not clear (to me) that >these vocal minorities truly reflect the feelings, beliefs, or wishes of the >majorities they claim to represent. Until the last two decades, the words used to label anyone who wasn't male, white, heterosexual, and physically able were determined only by those who were. In other words, it is only very recently that nonwhite, nonmale persons have been able to self-label. This change is understandably disconcerting to some people. I also note that I am familiar with another version of the PC Red Riding Hood, in which Red and her Grandmother prevail. Best, Victoria ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:47:13 -0600 Reply-To: 3ri.webster@mci2000.com Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: M Webster <3ri.webster@MCI2000.COM> Subject: Re: The Politically-Correct Little Red Riding Hood Victoria wrote: >Until the last two decades, the words used to label anyone who wasn't male, white, heterosexual, and physically able were determined only by those who were. In other words, it is only very recently that nonwhite, nonmale persons have been able to self-label. This change is understandably disconcerting to some people.< Thanks, Victoria! That needed to be said. Best, MiRobin ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:25:48 +1200 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Simon Cauchi Subject: Re: Verse Notations Method C Isaiah 5.....................79 5:1.................142 5:1-2.............187 5:6..................44 6.....................57 This (dare I say it?) is the only sensible method, and what is usually found in an index locorum of Bible references. I can't cite any authority, but I sought out several respectable precedents before compiling such an index in this way. Moreover, again following the best precedents I could find, I arranged the books of the Bible in non-alphabetical order, from Genesis to Revelation, thus: Biblical texts, cited or alluded to Gen. 1:24 87 1:28 89 2:7 85, 87 3 86 4:10 17 19:26 100 23:3-20 68 39 33 48:29-50 68 Rev. 9:1,2 75 21 45, 83 21:8 71 The order of the books in the Bible varies, of course, according to the version used, and so do their names, but in this case the references were all to Geneva Bible of 1560. >From Simon Cauchi, Freelance Editor and Indexer 13 Riverview Terrace, Hamilton, New Zealand Telephone and facsimile (+64) 7-854-9229, e-mail cauchi@wave.co.nz ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:25:58 +1200 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Simon Cauchi Subject: Re: How does "Oz" relate to Australia? Diane Worden's theory that OZ=Old Zealand amuses Alan Walker, but non-Antipodeans beware: it's not actually correct. Old "Zeeland" (so spelt) is in the Netherlands. >From Simon Cauchi, Freelance Editor and Indexer 13 Riverview Terrace, Hamilton, New Zealand Telephone and facsimile (+64) 7-854-9229, e-mail cauchi@wave.co.nz ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:33:34 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "J.A Binns" Subject: Re: Heat Wave While I have every sympathy with those of you trying to cope with melting computers, spare a thought for those of us on the other side of the Atlantic who have not seen the sun since last summer. We have had the odd hour now and then, and we did actually have nearly a day of sunshine last week, but we paid for it in the evening with a thunderstorm. As I write I hear the rain starting to patter against the window again! I have never known a summer before when I have been more comfortable wearing trousers than a skirt. Oh well, at least there is no danger of skin cancer, but I may be starting to suffer from vitamin D deficiency - what are the symptoms? Margaret ============================ Margaret Binns Indexer 20 Hangleton Manor Close Hove, Sussex, BN3 8AJ, UK Tel: 01273 420844 binns@hangleton.u-net.com ============================ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 19:24:34 +1000 Reply-To: Jonathan Jermey Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey Subject: Re: Heat Wave: How do you cope? Sitting here at the computer with freezing fingers, longing to move to the lounge room where the fire is blazing it is certainly difficult to picture you all having just the opposite problem. Glenda. ===================================== Jonathan Jermey and Glenda Browne PC Training * Indexing * Web Page Design WWW: http://www.users.bigpond.com/Diagonal ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 07:22:40 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Steve C Subject: Coordinating volunteer indexers Recently I agreed to coordinate the work of several volunteer indexers who are indexing newspapers for the History Project in Boston. The group is planning an exhibit in 2000, and we are preparing an index to some newspapers that are essential materials for the project. We hope the index will be accessible online at the exhibit. The index will have long-term use as a research tool (most of these materials will become part of an archive), and we probably will expand our work to cover more periodicals and perhaps photos, videos, and oral histories. In my day-time "captive" position (to use the term for a salaried job I learned at the ASI convention), I work as a technical editor and indexer with a group of financial writers producing an online reference tool. We use guidelines and an authority list for the team's indexing work, and I will develop guidelines and an authority list for the History Project. At the moment the volunteers are working with paper forms, but we want to move to exchanging index data via e-mail. We haven't resolved the technical issues for the online index yet, we're still researching possibilities. Has anyone on the list done anything similar? If you're willing to share your experiences, please contact me DIRECTLY so that we can chat. When I have more information developed, I'll be happy to share our project and guidelines with others. Thanks for any assistance, Steve Steve Csipke stevec@editor.terranet.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:13:05 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: The Politically-Correct Little Red Riding Hood Thanks, Rob! We must all learn to laugh at ourselves. I think your version is from a little tome called Politically Correct Bedtime Stories by James Finn Gardner . He has also written The Politically Correct Ultimate Storybook, Politically Correct Holiday Stories, and Once Upon a More Enlightened Time. I agree that we have to be sensitive to "labeling" in our work, but I would also point out that for most of us, what we are creating are reference tools. Reference tools that do not contain references where people would normally look for them are not of much use. If we are indexing a book that has a narrow audience with a common vocabulary and usage, that's one thing. But for many of us, if we, to use the example that has been raging, choose to use the terms lesbians and gay men and eliminate references to homosexuality, etc., we are doing our customers a grave disservice. Sensitivity has to be balanced with the reality of the ultimate indexing question: Where are customers going to look for this information? Not certain customers, not customers who share our belief and language, but all potential customers. -- Sharon W. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:14:53 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Wright, Sharon F." Subject: Re: Netscape 4.5 as Indexer [More News] There was a report on NPR this morning confirming that. The CNN website has a story on one of the Netscape problems. Go to this URL: http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9807/28/internet.security.reut/ -- Sharon W. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:01:11 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kim Harris Subject: Re: The Politically-Correct Little Red Riding Hood In a message dated 29/07/98 13:18:39 GMT, you write: << I agree that we have to be sensitive to "labeling" in our work, but I would also point out that for most of us, what we are creating are reference tools. Reference tools that do not contain references where people would normally look for them are not of much use to potential customers.etc I agree completely. I saw a cartoon recently of a little girl at dinner witht her uncle: Litttle girl: are you suggesting that the responsibility for inequality lies with nature, Uncle Cedric? Uncle Cedric: yes, if we were all meant to be equal, we'd all have been born white, male and heterosexual, wouldn't we? Kim (Kim Harris) -- Sharon W. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:20:15 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Diane Worden Subject: Re: How does "Oz" relate to Australia? Alan, In a message dated 98-07-28 18:24:03 EDT, you write: << I have not previously heard Diane Worden's theory that OZ=Old Zealand, but I love it. >> The reason you haven't heard of it before is that I made it up on the spot. I'm addicted to making up full-meaning possibilities for random letters on license plates too, e.g., GGB309 = Great Gobs of Benny (jack, 39). Diane in Kazoo ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:27:52 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: ROBJRICH@AOL.COM Subject: Thanks and a Brief Comment on Headings Hi - Thanks to Sharon for her bibliographiic citation re Little Red Riding Hood, and to her and others for their thoughtful and supportive postings re my comments on usage. They are much appreciated. Regarding headings in indexes: One problem (as I see it) is that correct usage, to quote another Index-L thread, is a moving target. So it seems unavoidable that persons picking up a book indexed, say, five or ten years ago might be distressed to find so many [currently] improper headings, or might look for new terms that are not present in the older index. Of course we could use headnotes that say: "Note to the Reader: The terms used in this index were correct at the time of publication." Books published in NYC would have the headnote: ""Note to the Reader: The terms used in this index were correct at the time of publication. You got any problem with that?" Bob ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:28:22 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Susan Healy Subject: Re: Heat Wave: How do you cope? In-Reply-To: <199807281838.OAA27635@fn4.tfn.net> Living in Florida one has to remember that everyone else does not have air conditioning. A small window a/c unit can be had new for $300-400 and will run on normal household current without any adjustment to your circuits. Help keep the cool air in by insulating the room with rugs or carpeting, keeping doors and window treatments closed. A dehumidifier works wonders with keeping one's person and equipment comfortable, especially in steamier climates. Ceiling fans are great, bu they tend to blow papers about. A fan/air cleaner unit placed on the floor will help. Susan Healy ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:17:45 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: indexer@INETCOM.NET Subject: Re: Labels At 04:32 PM 7/27/98 -0500, you wrote: >I've just been reminded of another label: Native Americans. All American >Indians I've seen or heard or met lately seem to prefer the name >"Indians" over "Native Americans." I will use the latter in my current >index because that is how it appears in the text. > First Americans has also been gaining in popularity. It avoids the negative connotations of "natives". With the recent development of a near consensus on a major push-back of the accepted time of arrival from circa 12-15,000 BP to as much as 40,000 BP this term becomes even more applicable. Kevin Mulrooney ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dyslexics of the world untie! First State Indexing (302) 738-2558 276 East Main Street Indexer@inetcom.net Newark, Delaware 19711 http://www2.inet.net/~indexer/kjm.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:53:14 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Deborah Shaw Subject: publishing law site If you subscribe to CE-L or Freelance, you've already seen this. /ds -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ivan Hoffman has an excellent web site on publishing law at . Mr. Hoffman is an entertainment law attorney who handles publishing, writing, copyright, web design, and Internet law. The site has articles * on media coverage, public speaking, and published articles. * for writers and publishers. * about the Internet and electronic rights. * for web site designers and site owners. * about trademarks. * for recording artists and song writers. * about Internet and electronic ethics. Cheers, Deborah shawd@mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:10:57 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Michael K. Smith" Subject: Re: Labels In-Reply-To: <199807291621.MAA02619@mail4.bellsouth.net> > -----Original Message----- > From: Indexer's Discussion Group > [mailto:INDEX-L@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU]On Behalf Of > indexer@INETCOM.NET > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 11:18 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: Labels > > First Americans has also been gaining in popularity. It avoids > the negative > connotations of "natives". With the recent development of a near > consensus > on a major push-back of the accepted time of arrival from circa > 12-15,000 BP > to as much as 40,000 BP this term becomes even more applicable. > > Kevin Mulrooney > ...except that it's anthopologically inaccurate. The later indigines -- the "Indians" -- are not descended from the Clovis culture. Probably not even from the Moundbuilders.... Michael K. Smith Smith Editorial Services mksmith1@bellsouth.net ICQ #15741870 http://members.tripod.com/~smith_editorial/ses.html ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ It doesn't TAKE all kinds -- we just HAVE all kinds ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:47:35 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Deborah Shaw Subject: Re: Freelance In-Reply-To: <9807291304.ZM489@ruby.ora.com> I've received a couple of queries about Freelance, so I'll post the information. Freelance is a brand-new list run out of onelist.com. Subscription is restricted to freelancers; all subscribers are announced to list. If you are a freelancer, you can go to , search on Freelance to read the following blurb, and then subscribe. If you haven't already, you will have to register with onelist. The owner, Vickie West, has temporarily lost her web access courtesy of her software, but she can be reached at . =20 =93Freelance [English] [For People Over 21] Similar lists=20 A work-related discussion list for publishing industry freelancers. Topic= s may include publisher comparisons, job searches, and types of work; rates and (non)payments; insurance and taxes; home offices and equipment; and a= ny other related issues. Discussion must remain on topic (no general chat please). Membership is restricted to freelancers, and any new subscribers will be announced on the list. For more information, http://www.comteck.com/~tanuki=94 Cheers, Deborah ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:53:30 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Karin Arrigoni Subject: HELP! Changing page ranges to single entries in Frame??? Hi all, Is there any way in Frame 5.5 to change all of the entries that have page ranges to be single page entries? I've checked the manual and couldn't find anything on this. The client wants to use the index for a printed manual as well as for the HTML help for the program, and page ranges can't be used for the HTML help (and, of course, this is an existing manual with a LOT of page range entries). If there's any way to do this besides going into each hyperlink and changing within the marker, I would love to hear about it. I'm on a very tight schedule with this project, so I'd really appreciate if you'd also cc my e-mail address (karrigoni@earthlink.net) when you reply to the list (since I only get the digest version and I need the info SOON). Thanks in advance for any help, Karin Arrigoni ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:10:56 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lillian Ashworth Subject: Heat wave,coping strategies for Hi all - Many, many thanks for all your input. I muchly appreciate all the tips on staying cool, the sound advice re: cats and computers (no matter what the weather is) and the humerous anecdotes, not to mention feline disease-specific cures. I will summarize the tips in a later post. I have put a number of your tips to good use and have basically solved my problem by concentrating on all the work that absolutely has to be done on the computer in the morning hours when it is cool (relatively speaking) in my office and then retreating to the basement with page proofs, a hard copy of the index and plenty of writing supplies. I prefer editing on the computer so this may take longer but I can think better in the cool and, thanks to my work on Monday, clean and tidy living room down there. Meanwhile, upstairs, the computer gets switched off completely. It reached 103 degrees here yesterday and I already had the house shut down completely by 8:30 AM today. The temperature was already in the 90s. A special note to Margaret in rainy England and Glenda of the frozen fingers: I'll gladly send each of you gobs and gobs of my sunshine for just a little of your rain and snow. Exchange rate defintely to your advantage! Thx again - Lillian Ashworth ashworth@pullman.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:34:19 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: Freelance In-Reply-To: <199807291749.NAA17548@camel26.mindspring.com> At 01:47 PM 7/29/98 -0400, you wrote: >I've received a couple of queries about Freelance, so I'll post the >information. > >Freelance is a brand-new list run out of onelist.com. Subscription is >restricted to freelancers; all subscribers are announced to list. If you >are a freelancer, you can go to , search on Freelance >to read the following blurb, and then subscribe. I went through the entire subscription process, then got "Unable to connect to server" from the last screen. Dick Evans ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:37:05 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: BWI Subject: Re: Verse Notations In-Reply-To: <199807290626.XAA10670@smtp2.teleport.com> Simon wrote >[Method C] (dare I say it?) is the only sensible method, and what is usually >found in an index locorum of Bible references. I can't cite any authority, >but I sought out several respectable precedents before compiling such an >index in this way. > >Biblical texts, cited or alluded to > Gen. 1:24 87 > 1:28 89 > 2:7 85, 87 > 3 86 > 4:10 17 Thanks Simon. That's what I assumed, but my editor says other indexers and authors have insisted on different sorts. He wonders if there is a source for a rule on how to sort verses, or is the method above just tradition or preference. So you would put the chapter-alone notation before the chapter-and--verse notation (rather than after, ignoring the fact that it is the larger entity). And you would place the simpler entry 5:1 before the more complex entry 5:1-2. For my editor, would you formulate a rule (and does anyone have a source for this) as: Sort verses by ascending numerical order within books, rather than (implied) size of entry, and go from simple to complex notation. Martha BWI ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:02:29 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Seth A. Maislin" Subject: Re: HELP! Changing page ranges to single entries in Frame??? In-Reply-To: Karin Arrigoni "HELP! Changing page ranges to single entries in Frame???" (Jul 29, 10:53am) > Is there any way in Frame 5.5 to change all of the entries that have page > ranges to be single page entries? There is no way to do this in Frame. FrameMaker has never allowed any global changes within the markers. But there are a few things you can do, if you feel like being clever. :-) And this really works -- so if you use FrameMaker, pay close attention. And remember where you heard it first. :-) First, globally search (in Frame) for the <$endrange> signifier, using the Find/Replace box to search all instances the marker text. Then, you can replace every marker that contains this with nothing. Ta-dah! You've deleted all the range ends. That's half the job right there. Unfortunately, you'd have to perform this action on every book file. If you have many, many chapters, you're stuck performing the Find/Replace many, many times. If you insist on staying in Frame at this point, you would have to manually remove all the <$startrange> signifiers from the tags manually. Use the Find/Replace to search for marker text of <$startrange>, and then delete that text within the marker box. If this is what you have to do, I feel sorry for you -- but there really isn't any other way in Frame. If you want to get daring, though, here's my suggestion. Save the FrameMaker file as MIF, under a different name. Then, use a text editor or a Word Processor to open the MIF file. Keep in mind that MIF files are generally quite long, so you need a real application to make these edits; don't even think about using Notepad. :) Once the MIF file is open, be careful not to change anything you don't mean to change. Search the MIF file just for your own edification for the <$startrange> text. (If you haven't deleted the <$endrange> markers, that signifier will appear too.) It will appear everywhere it existed in the original file. Now the fun part: Find/Replace the <$startrange> into nothing. Just globally delete them all from the entire file. Be aware that < and $ might be special characters. Make sure you don't add any extra spaces, and that you don't miss any part of the signifier; any junk left over or junk added can corrupt the MIF file. Then save the file (keeping it in the same format as it was -- Word processors will treat MIF files as text, so save is as text/ASCII), renaming it again just to be safe. Now reopen FrameMaker and open the edited MIF file. Frame will convert the MIF file back into a FrameMaker-formatted file. And the <$startrange> marker text should no longer exist. The reason I tell you to delete the <$endrange> markers before you ever go into the MIF format is because there is no easy way to delete the entire index marker while the file is in MIF. There are two many variables, and MIF files are too fragile. - Seth -- Seth A. Maislin (seth@oreilly.com) O'Reilly & Associates Focus Information Services 90 Sherman Street 89 Grove Street Cambridge MA 02140 Watertown MA 02172-2826 (617) 499-7439 phone (617) 924-4428 (617) 661-1116 facsimile smaislin@world.std.com URL: http://www.oreilly.com/~seth co-webmaster, Amer Soc of Indexers: http://www.asindexing.org webmaster, STC Indexing SIG: http://www.stc.org/pics/indexing ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:22:41 -0700 Reply-To: indexer@ibm.net Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Sherry L. Smith" Subject: indexes and James Michener A writer's opinion of our profession. We seem to be associated with the best seller list in a round about manner. The quote is from The World is My Home by James A. Michener. "Obviously, in doing research I cannot read all of every important book, but I have made myself adept at reading indexes, a skill I recommend to would-be writers; I see in the indexes reminders of topics of which I am interested, but, of equal value, I see notations about ramifications that had not occurred to me." Sherry Sherry L Smith INDEXING SERVICES 63505 Bridle Lane Bend, OR 97701 541 382 6414 indexer@ibm.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:24:13 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: April Dunne Subject: Re: Freelance And what do they talk about on this Freelance listserv? -----Original Message----- From: Richard Evans [mailto:infodex@MINDSPRING.COM] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 1:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L Subject: Re: Freelance At 01:47 PM 7/29/98 -0400, you wrote: >I've received a couple of queries about Freelance, so I'll post the >information. > >Freelance is a brand-new list run out of onelist.com. Subscription is >restricted to freelancers; all subscribers are announced to list. If you >are a freelancer, you can go to , search on Freelance >to read the following blurb, and then subscribe. I went through the entire subscription process, then got "Unable to connect to server" from the last screen. Dick Evans ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:15:37 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: CORRECTION: Netscape 4.5 as Indexer Mea blasted culpa! The Alta Vista URL should be: http://discovery.altavista.digital.com/pages/2g.shtml I'll never be a copyeditor. I was actually _reading_ off the printed download and omitted the company name! As my mom used to say, I'm going out to the garden and eat worms. Dave T. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:15:40 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Re: Netscape 4.5 as Indexer [More News] Too bad about the bugginess; I always thought Netscape was a fairly high quality company. I guess they're following most industry trends and suffering from Microsoftness Major. Cheers, Dave T. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:41:48 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Victoria Baker Subject: Re: Labels In-Reply-To: <199807291317.GAA27161@pacific.net> Sharon wrote: >I agree that we have to be sensitive to "labeling" in our work, but I would >also point out that for most of us, what we are creating are reference >tools. Reference tools that do not contain references where people would >normally look for them are not of much use. If we are indexing a book that >has a narrow audience with a common vocabulary and usage, that's one thing. >But for many of us, if we, to use the example that has been raging, choose >to use the terms lesbians and gay men and eliminate references to >homosexuality, etc., we are doing our customers a grave disservice. I have said just these things in my own posts. If this is not what has been understood, then I have not expressed myself well. How one references homosexuality, for example, is the key. I encourage people to read the scholarly article I wrote, which very carefully explores these questions. It would require my quoting the entire essay to fully present all of the components of this issue. I will, however, quote a small portion of the relevant section of the style manual for the American Psychological Association (APA) (I elide the bibliographic references): "Respect people's preferences; call people what they prefer to be called. Accept that preferences will change with time and that individuals within groups often disagree about the designations they prefer. Make an effort to determine what is appropriate for your situation; you may need to ask your participants which designations they prefer, particularly when preferred designations are being debated within groups. "Avoid labeling people when possible. A common occurrence in scientific writing is that participants in a study tend to lose their individuality; they are broadly categorized as objects (noun forms such as ^the gays^ or ^the elderly^) or, particularly in descriptions of people with disabilities, are equated with their conditions -- ^the amnesiacs^, ^the depressives^..., for example. One solution is to use adjectival forms (e.g., "gay ^men^," "elderly ^people^," "amnesic ^patients^"). Another is to "put the person first," followed by a descriptive phrase (e.g. people diagnosed with schizophrenia). Note that the latter solution currently is preferred when describing people with disabilities." (p. 48, biblio information below) What I have said is that "homosexuality" can be a useful entry. "Homosexuals" is not an entry I use. However, the APA style manual also says, and I agree, that if the entry is about cultural aspects of life, "lesbians" and "gay men" are the appropriate entries, because "homosexuality" is not about culture. I ihave also said that one should still have a cross-reference from homosexuality to the actual terms used. Entry points must be maintained. I strongly suggest that indexers read the following section of the APA style manual, from which the above quote was taken: ["Guidelines to Reduce Bias in Language" (pp. 46-60), ^Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association^, 4th ed., 1994, APA: Washington DC.] Once again, the reference for my article is: ["A Place in the Index: Gender and Sexual Orientation as Issues in Indexing History," in ^Indexing Specialties: History,^ Margie Towery, ed., published through ASI, 1998] Best, Victoria ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:02:31 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Kathleen Babbitt Subject: Re: Freelance April Dunne wrote: > > And what do they talk about on this Freelance listserv? > > "They" talk about just what the original post to this list says "they" do. A recent thread discussed the pros and cons of the various package delivery services. Don't be scared -- join for a week. If you don't like it, you can unsub. Kathy Babbitt kbab@northnet.org Canton, NY ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:27:57 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paul Lightfoot Subject: Re: Heat Wave A cure for the heatwave? Move to Cornwall. Sue = ------------------------------------------------------------- Sue Lightfoot =AD Indexing, Proofreading Tremorva, Talland Hill, Polperro, Cornwall PL13 2RZ, England Tel/Fax: 01503 273006 Email: SLightfoot@compuserve.com ------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:28:25 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paul Lightfoot Subject: Re: Oriental/Political Correctness Deborah's "Asia World Oriental Supermarket" reminds me of shopping for school supplies in Central Department Store, Bangkok (in my previous incarnation as an international school teacher). I found a nice jigsaw labelled "Map of the World" - which began in the Atlantic Ocean on the le= ft and ended in the Pacific Ocean on the right. I asked the salesgirl where America was . . . . . = Sue = ------------------------------------------------------------- Sue Lightfoot =AD Indexing, Proofreading Tremorva, Talland Hill, Polperro, Cornwall PL13 2RZ, England Tel/Fax: 01503 273006 Email: SLightfoot@compuserve.com ------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:28:40 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paul Lightfoot Subject: Cambodian It's probably too late for the last query about Cambodian recipes, but my= contact has just come back with the translation of the terms someone aske= d about. Transliteration of Cambodian varies, and this comes via French . .= . Bai =3D rice B'baw =3D wash (?) Cha =3D yes (?) Chrourk =3D pig (pork) K'tieu =3D rice bowl Mouan =3D chicken Nom =3D cake Nom Banchok =3D rice noodles Nyuom =3D salad (beef and rice noodles) Saik =3D meat Saiko =3D beef S'ngao =3D fish/lemon soup Somlah =3D soup Somlah Machou =3D sour soup (as with pineapple) Trey =3D fish In Cambodian names the family name comes first, so presumably Saloth is t= he family name of Saloth Sar, Pol Pot being his _nom de guerre_. Sorry this has taken so long, but next time we all meet Cambodian names we'll be ready. :-) Sue ------------------------------------------------------------- Sue Lightfoot =AD Indexing, Proofreading Tremorva, Talland Hill, Polperro, Cornwall PL13 2RZ, England Tel/Fax: 01503 273006 Email: SLightfoot@compuserve.com ------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:33:44 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Carol Deason Subject: USDA Applied Indexing Course Do most people take the "Applied Indexing Course" from USDA or do they take just the "Basic Indexing Course"? Does the first course prepare you sufficiently to start indexing on your own? Carol ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:00:31 +1000 Reply-To: Jonathan Jermey Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey Subject: What doesn't kill you makes you stronger =Sonsie said= >What do they say..."what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger"? What if it maims you? Jonathan ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:15:04 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Michael Wyatt Subject: How does "Oz" relate to Australia? I reckon it's called Oz coz it's chocka with Friends of Dorothy. Michael Wyatt Keyword Editorial Services 22 Kendall Street, Surry Hills 2010 Phone 0500 539 973 Fax (02) 9331 7785 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:08:29 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Truesdale Subject: Re: Labels (Native Americans) In a message dated 7/29/98 12:22:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, indexer@INETCOM.NET writes: > > First Americans has also been gaining in popularity. It avoids the negative > connotations of "natives". With the recent development of a near consensus > on a major push-back of the accepted time of arrival from circa 12-15,000 BP > to as much as 40,000 BP this term becomes even more applicable. > > Kevin Mulrooney > I read this & thought: what negative connotations does "native" have? On second thought, I realized that, in connection with *people* there would be negatives involved. My first reaction was from the viewpoint of nature & gardening. *There* I consider native good. Non-native or imported brings to mind fire ants, kudzu, killer bees, walking catfish, etc. It all depends on your viewpoint, right? ;-) How about starting a movement to use "Indigenous Americans" for Native Americans, Indians, Eskimos, Inuits, First Americans, etc., just to add one more term to the muddle? ;-D Actually, I am sure it has already been used somewhere! Ann Truesdale ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:53:07 +1200 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Simon Cauchi Subject: Re: Verse notations Martha writes: "For my editor, would you formulate a rule (and does anyone have a source for this) as: Sort verses by ascending numerical order within books, rather than (implied) size of entry, and go from simple to complex notation." Yes. I forget now how many authorities I consulted to satisfy myself that this is in fact the usual convention, but I do remember one of them: a set of the Greek and Latin Fathers published in several series, in the original languages, under the general title Corpus Christianorum. Each volume in the Series Latina has an index of biblical references, just like the index locorum in a book about classical Latin literature, but called (if I remember rightly) the Index Sanctae Scripturae. I'm sure your Method C is in all essentials the method used in those indexes. For more information about the series, have a look at this URL: http://www.brepols.com/corpus.htm But better still, I suggest you visit an academic library and have a look at some of the volumes in the (very large) Series Latina. >From Simon Cauchi, Freelance Editor and Indexer 13 Riverview Terrace, Hamilton, New Zealand Telephone and facsimile (+64) 7-854-9229, e-mail cauchi@wave.co.nz ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 04:37:26 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Christine Shuttleworth Subject: Re: Heat Wave Sue Lightfoot wrote: Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: John Bealle Subject: Re: Coordinating volunteer indexers Steve, I have worked for the MLA for 8 years under such an arrangement. We "field bibliographers" assign subject references to journal articles, pass them up to coordinators, and then on to the MLA office. The entries are corrected at every turn, so it is really our function only to read the articles and assign best-shot keywords. There used to be handwritten data sheets, but I think most people used an ascii computer version sent via email now. It is based on the datasheet, so there's no conflict. These were the issues you discussed--if there's anything else you want to know let me know. John Bealle ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:31:27 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Craig Brown Subject: Indexing Principles I am sure there has been discussion on this list of whether or not an index should be expected to add information that does not appear in the text. For example, if the text has thousands of references to cities, but does not name the countries (and bearing in mind that the book was written in a long-ago era, and that borders and even country names have changed) should the index be expected to supply the country names? I would especially appreciate any scholarly references to the topic. TIA Craig Brown ========================================== The Last Word lastword@i1.net Indexing (314)352-9094 home.i1.net/~lastword ========================================== ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:47:48 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: ASI 1999 ASI Annual Conference All -- fyi ... The ASI Web site now has links to some info on Indianapolis, the site for the 1999 ASI Annual Conference. The URL is: http://www.ASIndexing.org/indiana.htm If you are a member of the ASI Heartland Chapter, or if you live in the Indianapolis area, please feel free to let the ASI Webmasters (seth@oreilly.com OR marisol@marisol.com) know about any other Indianapolis-related sites. Also, please feel free to let our conference planner - Sandi Schroeder (Sanindex@xsite.net) - and our new KEY WORDS editor - Victoria Baker (vbaker@pacific.net) - know if you are willing to write articles on sightseeing opportunities, restaurants, etc. in the vicinity of our conference hotel. Thanks much! .... Lori *********************************************************************** Lori Lathrop ---------->INTERNET:76620.456@compuserve.com President - 1998-1999, American Society of Indexers Lathrop Media Services, 7308-C East Independence Blvd., #316 Charlotte, NC 28227 / Phone: 704-531-0021 URL - http://idt.net/~lathro19 (note: that's a "nineteen" at the end) *********************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:56:27 -0400 Reply-To: Eileen Allen Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Eileen Allen Subject: thesaurus standards In-Reply-To: <199807301101.HAA00228@ns1.textwise.com> Hi all, I have a question about thesaurus construction standards. Has anyone used either (both) of these? Are there any opinions about which is better? Or what strengths/weaknesses each have? Thesaurus Interchange Format - ANSI Z39.19-1994 ISO 2788:1986 - guidelines for the establishment and development of monolingual thesauri Thanks for your input! Eileen Allen ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:16:17 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Robert A. Saigh" Subject: Re: Indexing Principles Craig: My own gut feeling is that, no, do not add countries, especially since -- as you pointed out -- the countries' borders and/or names may have changed. I put into the index what is in the text with some exceptions. For a situation as you describe which lists many cities (without mentioning the countries), I would let sleeping dogs lie. rob fugleman@mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:22:51 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cynthia Bertelsen Subject: Re: Cambodian Thanks, Sue! Some of the ways some of these words were used in the book are different from your list and so I have added my observations below next to yours. At 06:28 PM 7/29/98 -0400, Paul Lightfoot wrote: >It's probably too late for the last query about Cambodian recipes, but my= > >contact has just come back with the translation of the terms someone aske= >d >about. Transliteration of Cambodian varies, and this comes via French . .= > . > > >Bai rice >B'baw wash (?) >Cha yes (?) [seems to be associated with the term "stir-fried" in book] >Chrourk pig (pork) [seems to be more the term for relish or pickles, as used in book] >K'tieu rice bowl [associated with noodle dishes] >Mouan chicken >Nom cake >Nom Banchok rice noodles >Nyuom salad (beef and rice noodles) >Saik meat [associated with pork in the book] >Saiko beef >S'ngao fish/lemon soup >Somlah soup >Somlah Machou sour soup (as with pineapple) >Trey fish > >In Cambodian names the family name comes first, so presumably Saloth is t= >he >family name of Saloth Sar, Pol Pot being his _nom de guerre_. > >Sorry this has taken so long, but next time we all meet Cambodian names >we'll be ready. :-) > >Sue ***************************************** Cynthia D. Bertelsen Freelance Indexer Bertelsen Indexing Services cbertel@usit.net Web page: http://www.usit.com/cbertel/ ***************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:48:29 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Leonard Will Subject: Re: thesaurus standards In-Reply-To: <901814291.2022345.0@listserv.cuny.edu> In article <901814291.2022345.0@listserv.cuny.edu>, Eileen Allen writes > >I have a question about thesaurus construction standards. Has anyone used >either (both) of these? Are there any opinions about which is better? Or >what strengths/weaknesses each have? > >Thesaurus Interchange Format - ANSI Z39.19-1994 > >ISO 2788:1986 - guidelines for the establishment and development of >monolingual thesauri I have used both of these a lot. There are no major conflicts between them, so if you construct a thesaurus according to one it will pretty well conform to the other. The correct reference for the first standard you mention is Guidelines for the construction, format, and management of monolingual thesauri / developed by the National Information Standards Organization : approved August 30, 1993 by the American National Standards Institute. Bethesda, MD. ; NISO Press, 1969. - 69p. - ISBN 1-880124-04-1 : $49.00. - (ANSI/NISO Z39.19-1993). The ISO standard, which is identical to the British Standard BS5723:1987, has 32 pages, so is more concise. The ANSI/NISO standard draws on the ISO standard and uses some of the same examples, but expands on some points. Its pages 39-61 are occupied by extracts from existing thesauri, showing displays and associated documentation. If you want more guidance on thesaurus construction, and particularly on the underlying facet analysis and classification structure, the classic text is Thesaurus construction and use: a practical manual / Jean Aitchison, Alan Gilchrist, David Bawden. - 3rd ed. - London : Aslib, 1997. - 212p ; 30cm This third edition builds on both the standards you mention and gives a good modern discussion of principles (there are some misprints, but most of them are fairly obvious). There are other references and papers about thesaurus construction and use, as well as a list of thesaurus software packages, on our web site (url below). Leonard Will -- Willpower Information (Partners: Dr Leonard D Will, Sheena E Will) Information Management Consultants Tel: +44 181 372 0092 27 Calshot Way, Enfield, Middlesex, EN2 7BQ, UK Fax: +44 181 372 0094 L.Will@Willpower.demon.co.uk Sheena.Will@Willpower.demon.co.uk --------------- --------------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 16:44:35 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: INFO: Ergonomic Chair The ongoing heat wave discussion reminded me of Comfort as a Necessity in a Working Environment, which I prefer, hence this note. While repairing a friend's computer setup recently, he showed me his special computer chair. Since I suffer mildly from chronic lumbar back pain I was interested. Its appearance is unique, in that it looks like some sort sex machine, if your tastes tend that way. "How do I get into it?" I asked, since the thing has no arms. Once astride, it is indeed quite comfortable, though I don't recall whether or not it has features such as height and angle adjustment for different statures. [I am 5'-8" and very skinny.] The chair is the Ergonomic Chair, made by Numark, model no. OM110BL, and cost $60. This one was upholstered in black fabric and seemed well made, from my cursory examination. His copy was purchased from Office Max in Richmond, CA [510-758-1480]. A Web search may locate other sources. Happy indexing, Dave T. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:36:08 +0100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Leonard Will Subject: Re: thesaurus standards In-Reply-To: <901828153.1021798.0@listserv.cuny.edu> In article <901828153.1021798.0@listserv.cuny.edu>, Leonard Will writes >The correct reference for the first standard you mention is > > Guidelines for the construction, format, and management of > monolingual thesauri / developed by the National Information > Standards Organization : approved August 30, 1993 by the > American National Standards Institute. Bethesda, MD. ; NISO > Press, 1969. - 69p. - ISBN 1-880124-04-1 : $49.00. - (ANSI/NISO ^^^^ > Z39.19-1993). Oops, sorry, but my fingers must have slipped or my thoughts wandered. The date of publication above should be 1994. Leonard -- Willpower Information (Partners: Dr Leonard D Will, Sheena E Will) Information Management Consultants Tel: +44 181 372 0092 27 Calshot Way, Enfield, Middlesex, EN2 7BQ, UK Fax: +44 181 372 0094 L.Will@Willpower.demon.co.uk Sheena.Will@Willpower.demon.co.uk --------------- --------------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 17:09:23 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Becky & Bob Hornyak Subject: Re: USDA Course This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BDBBDC.CC44C4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I decided today I would quit lurking and take my turn answering this = question. You ask if the USDA course is "essential". That's impossible to = answer, not knowing your background. It was essential for me, because I = had no background in library science or anything related to indexing. (I = discovered it through a book entitled Careers for Bookworms and Other = Literary Types after I decided I wanted a career change.) I began the = course and, a couple of months later, saw an ad in the newspaper for an = in-house indexer. I replied, and was sent a test. The instructions were, = basically, "Index this." Without the USDA course, I wouldn't have known = how to begin. The course goes into the subjects of publishing and = freelancing a little. For me, the course wouldn't have been enough by = itself, but I'm a cautious person. I supplemented it with Small Business = Administration training and in-house indexing. I was also very fortunate = to find a mentor when I was ready to freelance. The course took a year to complete, which frustrated me at times, = but I would recommend it. I received permission to use my instructor's = name for a reference, and that was invaluable when I started marketing = my services. Becky Hornyak bhornyak@iquest.net Secretary, Heartland Chapter of ASI =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BDBBDC.CC44C4A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I decided=20 today I would quit lurking and take my turn answering this=20 question.
    You ask=20 if the USDA course is "essential". That's impossible to = answer, not=20 knowing your background. It was essential for me, because I had no = background in=20 library science or anything related to indexing. (I discovered it = through a book=20 entitled Careers for Bookworms and Other Literary Types after I = decided I=20 wanted a career change.) I began the course and, a couple of months = later, saw=20 an ad in the newspaper for an in-house indexer. I replied, and was sent = a test.=20 The instructions were, basically, "Index this." Without the = USDA=20 course, I wouldn't have known how to begin. The course goes into = the =20 subjects of publishing and freelancing a little. For me, the course = wouldn't=20 have been enough by itself, but I'm a cautious person. I supplemented it = with=20 Small Business Administration training and in-house indexing. I was also = very=20 fortunate to find a mentor when I was ready to = freelance.
    The=20 course took a year to complete, which frustrated me at times, but I = would=20 recommend it. I received permission to use my instructor's name for a = reference,=20 and that was invaluable when I started marketing my=20 services.
 
    Becky=20 Hornyak
   =20 Secretary, Heartland Chapter of ASI
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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BDBBDC.CC44C4A0-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:50:38 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Debbie Olson Subject: Newspaper Indexing and Published Corrections Hi everyone, I am interested in any comments or suggestions regarding how corrections to newspaper articles should be treated in an index, if at all. If a printed correction appears to an article previously published, should 1) a note/citation be included with the entry it refers to 2) the correction appear in proper date order if the entries are arranged chronologically, thereby separating it from the article it refers to 3) add a heading titled "corrections and retractions" and note this special handling in the introduction to the index, or 4) any printed corrections just be disregarded (I have not seen corrections addressed in any of the newspaper indexed I have looked at). Also, what if the index is compiled quarterly but the correction does not appear until the following quarter? I have been unable to find much in the indexing literature about this and have also reviewed the listserv archives. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Debbie Olson ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:19:11 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nell Benton Subject: Re: Newspaper Indexing and Published Corrections Debbie, I have been thinking of improving the way I handle corrections too. As it stands, references to corrections are printed three places: 1) In a separate table in the quarterly index. There are three columns: page of error; subject and page of correction. 2) Within the cover index either under subject or under "Corrections," depending on space, and 3) Within the end page index. My predecessor also included references to corrections in the main index, and they were located where correction was with (Corr.) after the reference. In all cases the reader has to look up the correction to find out on which page the error occurred. To respond to your specific questions: 1) a note/citation be included with the entry it refers to Yes, I would like to start doing this. 2) the correction appear in proper date order if the entries are arranged chronologically, thereby separating it from the article it refers to I would like to either stop doing this or double post. 3) add a heading titled "corrections and retractions" and note this special handling in the introduction to the index Yes, I think this is important. 4) any printed corrections just be disregarded No (I have not seen corrections addressed in any of the newspaper indexed I have looked at). Also, what if the index is compiled quarterly but the correction does not appear until the following quarter? As long as the corrections are printed within the paper I think we have to live with this. We can't be expected to publish a separate "corrections" flier any time there is a mistake! Hope this helps! Nell Benton - ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:01:15 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Paul Lightfoot Subject: Newspaper Indexing and Published Corrections It's not exactly a newspaper, but I index the _International Railway Journal_. The Journal appears every month, and the cumulative index at th= e end of the year. There is a separate section for _Corrections_, and I add= the "Corrections" locator to the original entry too. Sue ------------------------------------------------------------- Sue Lightfoot =AD Indexing, Proofreading Tremorva, Talland Hill, Polperro, Cornwall PL13 2RZ, England Tel/Fax: 01503 273006 Email: SLightfoot@compuserve.com -------------------------------------------------------------