From LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu Thu Dec 24 18:11:19 1998 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:46:10 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB To: Ilana Kingsley Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9811E" ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 12:38:28 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sonsie Subject: Re: Test posting At 10:10 PM 11/28/1998 -0500, Kevin A. Broccoli wrote: >>Hello all >> >>My name is Patrick. I'm not sure whether anyone is receiving my emails. >>Please email me back. >> >>Patrick. > >Yes, Patrick, we are all still receiving your e-mails. I think the problem may be that Patrick hasn't set his mail to receive copies of his own postings. I can't quite remember the command to send to the listserv to do that (something about SET REPRO?). If anybody does know, perhaps they could email Patrick privately and tell him. =Sonsie= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:52:18 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barbara Roos Subject: recycling proof paper Since no one mentioned this when the recycling thread was going, I suddenly feel driven to do so. I do a lot of printing that doesn't require pristine paper: temporarily relevant info off the Internet, material purely for my files, early drafts of MSS or graphic experiments, something I'm putting on hard copy just to look it over at leisure, etc. I keep the proof paper for this use, and, combined with the delirium of all the paper saved by sending my indexes as email attachments, I feel free to print unnecessarily, as flagrantly as I wish, without the sense that I'm burning a hole in my wallet at the same time. Barbara Roos San Francisco ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:53:22 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Richard Raper Organization: Indexing Specialists Subject: Re: ISO 999 Dear Christine Welcome back to England. I would suggest Bite the Bullet. There is no sim= ple way of getting it without paying the =A355. Had to do it myself and all you g= et for your money is a photocopied item. However, it is a must regrettably. Best of luck and I hoipe all is well Richard Richard Raper, indexing Specialists, 202 Church Road, Hove, e. Sussex. Fo= r email contact me: richardr@indexing.co.uk . My home page is "www.indexing.co.u= k" or will be in a day or so. Christine Headley wrote: > >From Christine Headley > > I want to get hold of a copy of ISO 999 - the International Standard > document which deals with indexes - but I am reluctant to pay GBP 55 fo= r it > just-like-that. > > Would the Combined Wisdom (particularly the UK end) expect to get hold = of it > through the public library system, or might I as well not waste time an= d > bite the bullet? > > Christine H > Stroud, Glos > -- Richard Raper Indexing Specialists Tel: 01273 738299 Home page http://www.pavilion.co.uk/indspec ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:36:47 +0000 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Laurence Errington Subject: backup Richard Evans wrote on backups.... >...I would truly like to keep all my "data" files in My Documents, but what about all the application files that are not obviously data files? For instance, Quicken uses several files for data and configuraiton. If I could identify all of them I could conceivably move them to My Documents, but then I would have to reconfigure Quicken to tell it where they are. Same story for any number of other applications: Eudora mail boxes and address lists, ISP configuration info, etc. Laurence Errington comments: I feel you need to be a bit of an expert, or eagle-eyed, or have lots of time to spot all the files that contain `data' like you email addresses, ISP (let alone manage them so that they are backed up (I'm neither of the first two, and my young kids preclude the third). YOu would also need to be confident that you merely need to copy them back on to a PC to work. They ought to work if they are simple data files but.... I at least have done a few things like export my email addresses to a file which allows them to be printed out. There are letters in my email, and I've not looked to see what file name, they are kept under. That's why I like the theoretical practicality of tape backup where you don't need to know what's data and what's not. I've noticed that Iomega, who make my tape drive now offer a downloadable program that's meant to allow one-step restore without having to reinstall W95/8 first (I purchased a DITTO drive 2 years ago and the program then required W95 to be installed first) as long as you've made a couple of rescue diskettes and I'll be trying it out, although I hate installing anything new, when my PC has been behaving so well. In fact I'm treating myself to a second PC as psychological backup and that's where I'll try and see what W98 is like. -- Dr Laurence Errington 15 Kirkhill Terrace, Edinburgh, Scotland, EH16 5DQ Tel: 0044-(0)131-667-5406 Fax: 0044-(0)131-667-5406 (9-7pm GMT weekdays only) E-Mail: laurence@errington-index.demon.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 05:48:02 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Philip Montgomery Subject: Re: Win 95 backup There are three ways you can go -- easily. Probably many more if you want to support the mental pain drug relief makers. Zip Drive is one -- obviously you've checked that out and know the prices. Imation (3M) LS120 ("Super Disk") - this is either and internal or external drive (External is about $140 with a $70 rebate last I looked). The external has a power cord and plugs into your Parallel (printer) port. (You then plug your printer into the LS120 drive.) Drawback is you can't print a file that is stored on the LS120. You have to copy it to your PC then print it. LS120's hold 120 megabytes of data. The drive will also read and write to 3.5" 720KB or 1.44MB floppy's. Disks run about $15.00 each -- come in packs of 3 or 5. Last -- this will work with any size floppies (not with ZIP). PKware PKzip -- has a compression (zip) feature that allows you to span multiple disks. i.e. - you can "zip" a 3.4 mb file onto 3 1.44mb floppies, move to another machine, then unzip the file to that machine. Have Fun!!! ---Jonathan Jermey and Glenda Browne wrote: > > From: Dafydd Llwyd Talcott <75711.1537@COMPUSERVE.COM> > > >I understand that the Zip drive system is good for backup usage, but my > knowledge of this system is scanty. My only impression is that it costs > more than tape: the large-size cartridges are not cheap. > > >Windows95 Backup program. Accessible through Start-->Accessories--> > Disk Tools-->Backup. This program seems to me unworkable and really > obsolete. Too many restrictions on media and drive port assignments. > Perhaps it will work for you, though it apparently will only work for > TAPE media. > > I've used the Win 95 backup system successfully for two years, replacing a > proprietary Colorado system which wouldn't do selective backups or restores > unless you shelled out extra for the pro version - very mean-spirited! It > has worked fine both with a Colorado tape drive and with a Zip disk. I'm not > sure what other media could be involved here - burning a CD-ROM, perhaps? > > Jonathan > =================================== > Jonathan Jermey and Glenda Browne > Indexing, PC Training, Web Page Authoring > http://www.users.bigpond.com/Diagonal > Diagonal@bigpond.com > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:28:20 -0800 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Joe Hineman Subject: Backups-More on XCOPY + CD-RW I sent this to the Listserver by mistake before. Sorry if everyone got a bunch of junk! -------------------------------- Kamm Schreiner's post last week (11/22) talked about backing up to a second hard drive using XCOPY. I recently tried this via some batch files provided on Smart Computing (magazine) web site, and I like it. The November issue of Smart Computing (p. 68) gives and overview, and points you to their web site http://www.smartcomputing.com. The first time requires a free sign-up (choose screen name and password). Look for the November issue, an article called "Back Up To A Second Hard Drive"). The article on the web site explains how to write two batch files in Notepad. You run these files at a DOS prompt in Windows (important - from within Windows). The first one is the complete backup. It took 25 minutes to back up my 930 MB. The second batch file is used for later incremental backups. (A couple of days later it took about 30 seconds to update the files that had been modified since the complete backup.) They point out disadvantages. You could lose this backup to fire or flood or theft. They recommend using another type of removable backup media periodically. (The article also gives info on commercial programs that do the hard drive-to-hard drive copying.) Another backup method mentioned here recently, CD-R. I recently got a CD-RW drive (CD-Rewriter) drive, another option. I've had difficulties using it, but now am (pretty much) confident I can get a disk made when I want one. On-line help is meager, there's no printed manual (Acer drive, through Hi-Val), and HiVal wouldn't answer their help number. It takes 50 minutes to format the disk ("50-90 minutes"). Adding folders to a layout doesn't take too long (I would say don't include the Temp folders or the CD-RW software in the backup--something there caused the program to quit for me). If you choose to both "Test and Write," the test is about 45 minutes (for my 600+ MB), after which you still need the Write step (another 45 min). So if the test works OK the first time, you could skip that step next time. The CD-RW disks are 650 MB capacity and cost $8 each ($5 on sale sometimes), and can be used over and over. The CD-R (CD-Recordable) can only be written once, cost about $1 each. Good luck with your backups! Joe Hineman jhineman@home.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:32:56 +1100 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Jonathan Jermey and Glenda Browne Subject: Re: reusing one-sided paper In-Reply-To: <04595037792441@domain1.bigpond.com> Barbara Roos wrote about recycling proof paper > ... > > I do a lot of printing that doesn't require pristine paper: temporarily > relevant info off the Internet, material purely for my files, > early drafts of > MSS or graphic experiments, something I'm putting on hard copy > just to look it > over at leisure, etc. I keep the proof paper for this use, and, > combined with > the delirium of all the paper saved by sending my indexes as email > attachments, I feel free to print unnecessarily, as flagrantly as I wish, > without the sense that I'm burning a hole in my wallet at the same time. We've been printing drafts on leftover proof sheets since we bought our first laser printer (now deceased). One of our clients has begun sending us double-sided proofs, but we still have enough blank paper backed up to last us several years, especially augmented with junk mail. However, most of the cost of printing these days is to do with replacing ink cartridges in ink/bubblejets and toner cartridges in laser printers. If you refill or recycle these too you can print even more flagrantly! Jonathan ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:14:13 EST Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: PDepri5514@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Test posting Sonsie It turns out that my mailbox was full. :-) Thanks Patrick.