From LISTSERV@BINGVMB.cc.binghamton.edu Sun Oct 18 11:14:43 1998 Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 10:39:49 +0000 From: BITNET list server at BINGVMB To: Julius Ariail Subject: File: "INDEX-L LOG9809E" ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:41:48 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Barry Koffler Subject: Re: footnote question In-Reply-To: <199809281744.NAA07745@ulster.net> >I am indexing a book with plenty of footnotes. >Many of the footnotes will be indexed. >There are several situations where the text for a footnote apears on a >different page. Do I use the page the footnote appears on or the page the >text of the footnote appears on? > Am I missing something? If the whole footnote (this doesn't sound like just fn text breaking to next page) is not on the page where it is referred to, I wouldn't just index it, I'd mark it and query the editor as to why the proofreader missed this. Of course, this seems to be a software manual, so maybe standard footnote conventions don't hold (as far as I can tell, in those manuals, standard sentences don't usually hold, either). The placement of this footnote is bothering me more than the indexing of it. Why would you index it under Brimmer rather than FTP, anyway? -Barry oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo barkof@ulster.net Barry Koffler mid-Hudson Valley, NY the FeatherSite at http://www.feathersite.com/ lead me not into temptation . . . I can find it myself. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:48:23 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: ASI Web Site Update All -- fyi ... the "Letters from ASI's President" page has a new update. TTFN .... Lori ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:15:39 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Van Whitehead Subject: Macrex Problem This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BDEBF6.B0AC3580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I used MACREX to prepare an index of a newsletter using a Vol. #, No. #, = page # format. The problem is that when editing entries, MACREX will = drop off the page # or transpose the Vol. # and No. #.=20 Any suggestions? ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BDEBF6.B0AC3580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I used MACREX to prepare an index of a newsletter using a Vol. #, No. = #, page=20 # format. The problem is that when editing entries, MACREX will = drop off=20 the page # or transpose the Vol. # and No. #.

Any suggestions?

------=_NextPart_000_0025_01BDEBF6.B0AC3580-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 02:41:02 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: IndexBks@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Macrex Problem This sounds as though you aren't using Macrex correctly. You should contact Gale Rhoads at the Macrex office (650-756-0821) -- she can solve ANY problem, quick as a wink! In a message dated 9/29/98 9:34:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, vanwhitehead@SYMPATICO.CA writes: << I used MACREX to prepare an index of a newsletter using a Vol. #, No. #, = page # format. The problem is that when editing entries, MACREX will = drop off the page # or transpose the Vol. # and No. #.=20 >> ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:30:14 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Sam Andrusko Subject: Off topic: PC revisited--Clinton is really black (fwd) Hello, everyone, Had to chuckle over this latest example of radical (?) intellectual(?) reasoning (?). Do these people really believe this stuff?? (Of course, I believe there is a new book out about how the Irish became white in the 19th century, so .... part of a trend, I guess). Sam Andrusko P.S. Is it the Cheshire Cat in Alice in Wonderland who says words mean what he wants them to mean and not what you think they mean? Or was it the Red Queen? Seems to be the motto of the intellectual left and right these days. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- (From Washington Post, 29 Sept. 1998, Style Section): In the New Yorker, Clinton's Other Secret Toni Morrison Writes That He's Really Black By Peter Carlson Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, September 29, 1998; Page D02 Just when you thought you'd heard every cockamamie theory imaginable about the Clinton scandal, along comes Toni Morrison, the Nobel Prize-winning novelist, with what might be the most cockamamie theory of all: The reason Clinton is in so much trouble over the Lewinsky affair is that . . . he is black. I kid you not. Here's what Morrison, one of America's most renowned black writers, wrote in a strange little essay in this week's New Yorker: "African-American men seemed to understand it right away. Years ago, in the middle of the Whitewater investigation, one heard the first murmurs: white skin notwithstanding, this is our first black President. Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children's lifetime. After all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald's-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas." Well, I'll be damned. I never realized that Clinton is "our first black president." Silly me, I looked at his pinkish skin and simply assumed he was Caucasian. But then, I foolishly thought that race was a matter of genetically inherited pigmentation. Now, a Nobel-certified genius informs me that a white man can be black if he possesses certain stereotypically downscale lifestyle characteristics. Naturally, I immediately evaluated myself on the Morrison racial scale. I'm not from Arkansas and I don't play the sax, but I come from a working-class family and I've eaten way too many Big Macs. Does that make me black, too? Or maybe mulatto? And what about black folks who were born middle-class, play the cello and eat salad? Are they white? And if Colin Powell is elected president, will he be the second black president or merely the 43rd white guy in the Oval Office? Of course, this is all completely absurd. But it does make you wonder: What would happen if a white writer published a piece suggesting that poverty, single parenthood and junk-food eating were uniquely black characteristics? I suspect that African Americans would be irate -- and justifiably so. Morrison doesn't stop with her new definition of blackness. She goes on to compare Ken Starr's tenacious stalking of the president to the tactics some whites use to punish ambitious black men: "The message was clear: 'No matter how smart you are, how hard you work, how much coin you earn for us, we will put you in your place or put you out of the place you have somehow, albeit with our permission, achieved. . . . In short, unless you do as we say (i.e. assimilate at once), your expletives belong to us.' " Well, I've heard people claim that prosecutors target black pols because they're black, but this is the first time I've ever heard anyone theorize that prosecutors have targeted a white pol because he's black. As long as we're throwing around goofy theories, let me propose one: This essay is a hoax. No great novelist could possibly write anything this dumb. Some prankster has gotten ahold of Morrison's stationery and somehow tricked the New Yorker into publishing this piffle, perhaps as a way of satirizing intellectuals who view everything -- even the battle between a white president and a white prosecutor -- through the prism of race. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:00:21 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Cynthia A Murphy Subject: Re: Off topic: PC revisited--Clinton is really black (fwd) On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Sam Andrusko wrote: > > P.S. Is it the Cheshire Cat in Alice in Wonderland who says words > mean what he wants them to mean and not what you think they mean? Or was > it the Red Queen? Seems to be the motto of the intellectual left and right > these days. Humpty Dumpty. 'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.' 'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.' [.........] 'That's a great deal to make one word mean,' Alice said in a thoughtful tone. 'When I make a word do a lot of work like that,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'I always pay it extra.' Also, in a contrary vein: `Then you should say what you mean,' the March Hare went on. `I do,' Alice hastily replied; `at least -- at least I mean what I say -- that's the same thing, you know.' ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:10:14 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nell Benton Subject: Re: Off topic: PC revisited--Clinton is really black (fwd) In a message dated 9/30/98 11:04:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sand@LOC.GOV writes: > Do these people really believe this stuff?? I have to admit tha when I read it I thought there must have been a mix-up at the New Yorker! I honestly don't get it. Nell ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:30:05 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Ann Norcross Organization: Crossover Information Services Subject: Directory proofreading A recent post to index-l mentioned that some people had volunteered to proofread the upcoming directory of indexers for ASI. I deleted the post and do not remember the names of the people. Can someone tell me who I should contact if my directory info has changed?? Thanks! -- Ann Norcross Crossover Information Services (919) 852-0042 mailto:norcross@ipass.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:14:05 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Michael K. Smith" Subject: Re: Off topic: PC revisited--Clinton is really black (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199809301512.LAA03644@mail1.bellsouth.net> |-----Original Message----- |From: Indexer's Discussion Group |[mailto:INDEX-L@BINGVMB.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU]On Behalf Of Nell Benton |Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 10:10 AM |To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L |Subject: Re: Off topic: PC revisited--Clinton is really black (fwd) | | |In a message dated 9/30/98 11:04:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sand@LOC.GOV |writes: | |> Do these people really believe this stuff?? | |I have to admit tha when I read it I thought there must have been |a mix-up at |the New Yorker! I honestly don't get it. | |Nell That's because you're probably not a Southerner... :) Mike (a displaced Texan, now in exile in Louisiana) Michael K. Smith Smith Editorial Services mksmith1@bellsouth.net ICQ #15741870 http://members.tripod.com/~smith_editorial/ses.html ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ It doesn't TAKE all kinds -- we just HAVE all kinds ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:48:51 EDT Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Nell Benton Subject: Re: Off topic: PC revisited--Clinton is really black (fwd) In a message dated 9/30/98 12:43:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mksmith1@BELLSOUTH.NET writes: > That's because you're probably not a Southerner... :) I'm also confused about that. Mom's from Tennessee; Dad's from North Carolina and I'm married to a Tennessean. True, I was born in New Hampshire but grew up partly in Africa, partly in DC, partly in Florida, and partly in the Soviet Union. Really though, I don't get the point to the essay. Can anyone enlighten me? Nell ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:27:37 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Anne Day Subject: Deliberate choice of words (was "PC revisited...") Without thinking too much about this, I assumed the point was that, since African-Americans are statistically punished more harshly than Caucasians for similar crimes, an analogy is being drawn between Clinton (as compared to other presidents who committed similarly serious offenses) and African Americans. I suspect the choice of the word "black" was deliberate, and that the author (who's name I'm not familir with) isn't implying that Clinton is actually African-American but that he's "black" in the sense that he's being more harshly accused that his peers. Even though most people would agree, if asked, that race is a difference in genetics/skin color, many of these same people extrapolate other differences (including the commonly held stereotypes) from a person's race. I think that's what the author is trying to say. "Clinton is black" means, in my interpretation, that he's being treated unfairly or judged by a double standard. Anne P.S. No doubt many Index-L subscribers feel this is inappropriate material for this list. I agree but am using the "someone else started it" excuse to respond because I believe that this is more important than some of the issues that are deemed "proper" for the list. Hope I don't start any new controversies. > ---------- > From: Nell Benton > Reply To: Indexer's Discussion Group > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 12:48 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: Off topic: PC revisited--Clinton is really black (fwd) > > In a message dated 9/30/98 12:43:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mksmith1@BELLSOUTH.NET writes: > > > That's because you're probably not a Southerner... :) > > I'm also confused about that. > Mom's from Tennessee; Dad's from North Carolina and I'm married to a > Tennessean. True, I was born in New Hampshire but grew up partly in > Africa, > partly in DC, partly in Florida, and partly in the Soviet Union. > > Really though, I don't get the point to the essay. Can anyone enlighten > me? > Nell > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:14:50 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Anne Taylor Subject: Re: Off topic: PC revisited--Clinton is really black (fwd) Wait a minute. You send us some clueless writer's musings on the meaning of another writer's work--second hand information, mind you--and then tack up your pithy *little* humor about the mental abilities of those with a different political outlook? Why, Sam? Anne At 10:30 AM 9/30/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hello, everyone, > Had to chuckle over this latest example of radical (?) intellectual(?) >reasoning (?). Do these people really believe this stuff?? (Of course, I >believe there is a new book out about how the Irish became white in the >19th century, so .... part of a trend, I guess). > > Sam Andrusko [...] Anne Taylor University of Missouri-St. Louis ataylor@umsl.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:27:03 -0700 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Frank Exner Subject: Re: Off topic: PC revisited--Clinton is really black (fwd) To all of the confused, There is a famous story of the South Carolina legislature in the 1850s. They were considering a bill to declare anyone with one drop of African-American blood to be a Negro (in their language). It seemed reasonable; after all, this is the current US national definition. However, the bill was defeated when it was noted that if it were passed no sitting member of the legislature would qualify for his position. Frank Exner, Little Bear Little Bear Indexing Services Durham, NC _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:05:08 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Barczak, Jessie" Subject: Re: Off topic: PC revisited--Clinton is really black (fwd) Little Bear, I am always in the market for indexing work (part-time). If you need anyone please let me know and I will give you my c.v. Many thanks, M. J. Barczak formerly of PAIS Indexing > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Exner [SMTP:fexner@YAHOO.COM] > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 3:27 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list INDEX-L > Subject: Re: Off topic: PC revisited--Clinton is really black (fwd) > > To all of the confused, > > There is a famous story of the South Carolina legislature in the > 1850s. They were considering a bill to declare anyone with one drop > of African-American blood to be a Negro (in their language). It > seemed reasonable; after all, this is the current US national > definition. > > However, the bill was defeated when it was noted that if it were > passed no sitting member of the legislature would qualify for his > position. > > Frank Exner, Little Bear > Little Bear Indexing Services > Durham, NC > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:19:07 -0500 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: Laura R Rustin Subject: Zip and printer question In-Reply-To: <199809290433.XAA09945@freebird.ghofn.org> Hello all. I'm hoping that someone will be able to help us with a peculiar situation. We ran backup with our Iomega Zip, and now our printer will only print totally black pages! We uninstalled the Zip, and reloaded the software for the NEC Superscript 660plus, but still nothing. Of course, I did not save the recent address for WWW sources for help on problems created by Zips. Anyone still have that address? I checked archives, but did not find. Anyone even have a suggestion? Many thanks. Laura Rustin ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 18:47:45 -0400 Reply-To: Indexer's Discussion Group Sender: Indexer's Discussion Group From: "Carol A. Kennedy" Subject: Re: Off topic: PC revisited--Clinton is really black (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199809302007.PAA05257@mail.minn.net> It appears to me that Toni Morrison supports one of my pet theories: that much of what passes for racism in this society is really classism. Carol Kennedy colfaxgp@minn.net